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just listed a house on airbnb for the first time. tips?
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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:19 PM Author: Diverse half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226172) |
Date: August 31st, 2025 12:19 PM Author: Underhanded cerebral school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226173) |
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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:24 PM Author: low-t canary therapy what about a prominent sign "no kfc for 20 miles" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226182) |
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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:24 PM Author: Diverse half-breed If I have to approve each booking will I get banned if I just don't approve niggers or turds? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226183) |
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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:36 PM Author: Underhanded cerebral school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226205) |
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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:38 PM Author: Diverse half-breed cant i just say "whoops didnt see my phone"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49226210) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:28 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Update: first booking is a nigger. LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229868) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:47 PM Author: Underhanded cerebral school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229892) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:48 PM Author: Diverse half-breed theres like no nigs where i live and the closest major city is also very very not nig, so i figured i'd set a lower price to get some good reviews going and then jack it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229894) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:50 PM Author: Underhanded cerebral school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229896) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:52 PM Author: Diverse half-breed hmm that's no bueno but on the plus side i am in the countryside and there's not really any "neighbors" per se, maybe i can smoke weed with them lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229898) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard did you really base your plan on the idea that people would come from the nearby areas and not be travelling from far away to your airbnb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229910) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:00 AM Author: Diverse half-breed well, yes, but also do niggers travel beyond vegas and various carnival cruises? i live in a small town that is mostly white that doesnt have any real major attractions for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229916) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:01 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard then why the fuck would people who live within driving distance book a stay at your shithole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229921) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:02 AM Author: Diverse half-breed hey its not a shithole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229926) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:03 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard so people will want to come from some distance to stay there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229928) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:04 AM Author: Diverse half-breed i dont wanna out myself here but theres a fair amount of semi local tourism to this area so i was thinking the majority of bookers will be from nearby city, i dont really think inner city teens will stay here and indeed i havent seen any such demographic when out and about here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229930) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:07 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard so you're renting out a country house with no tourist attractions and hoping for good guests? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229939) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:08 AM Author: Diverse half-breed theres plenty of local attractions but nothing major to draw in guests from around the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229941) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:10 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard it is cheap and not in the city, that is what draws in guests (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229952) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:11 AM Author: Diverse half-breed will you come stay at my house? i can be naked and on my knees upon checkin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229953) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:12 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard a/s/l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229956) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:12 AM Author: Diverse half-breed 16/f/cali (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229958) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:14 AM Author: Dashing Crystalline Pozpig Haunted Graveyard 17/f/fl, teehee (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229961) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:14 AM Author: Diverse half-breed wanna trade boob pics? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229963) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:13 AM Author: Pink histrionic indirect expression lodge lmao it's just some random fucking house in the middle of nowhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49229960) |
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Date: September 21st, 2025 10:07 PM Author: Diverse half-breed So the first booking (nig) just checked out. She booked it in advance and was actually the fourth guest I've had. They left the place in pretty good condition and I regret the racism. So far I am digging this - I much prefer texting ppl, washing sheets, and vacuuming to being a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49290249) |
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Date: September 21st, 2025 10:25 PM Author: Curious dun faggot firefighter Lol ur gonna have a bad time if you ever honestly account for your expenses and time. The first time you have to spend a day unclogging the shitter after a bachelorette weekend you'll more than wipe out ur few hundred dollars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49290279) |
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Date: September 21st, 2025 11:09 PM Author: Diverse half-breed I don't collect things, I collect experiences tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49290341) |
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Date: September 21st, 2025 11:11 PM Author: Diverse half-breed But on a serious note I spend maybe 30 mins to get it in condition for the next guest. Quick tidy up, vacuum, strip the beds, put new sheets on, wash old sheets, fold em, wash towels, put new towels out, clean the toilet, and that's it. I love the smell of fresh linens and it's 180 compared to seeing how clause 8 of section 4 interacts with section 6.3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49290346) |
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Date: October 21st, 2025 6:37 AM Author: Blue Razzmatazz Sex Offender Chad jfc u are a furking maid, i cld never do that shit just hire some furking beaner bitch jfc, cant u add some fraud cleaning fee on airbnb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49363448) |
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Date: October 17th, 2025 4:02 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Update: I have now hosted 18 unique guests. The worst are the fat ones. I just had some fat couple check out and they left glitter EVERYWHERE. There's no getting it all out, but I tried my best.
Some other anecdotes include a couple that sold their hold in another state to move here in an RV and they had a toddler. Not sure what happened but they had some RV issue and they had to stay at my place and the husband locked himself out of the RV and they know absolutely no one here so I ended up giving him a ride back to the airbnb because his wife didn't have the car seat to go get him or something. He put the carseat in my trunk and spilled crumbs and shit everywhere and they left the house totally trashed from their stupid kid, but it felt nice to help people.
Another guy had never recorded a stay on Airbnb and was new to the app. Left the place immaculate and even left a $15 cash tip on the bed.
The most recent guests that left glitter everywhere also left jewelry. I have mailed it to them and invoiced them $20, I already sent it so I am hoping they pay.
I am a licensed lawyer btw. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:27 PM Author: Diverse half-breed so these fucking spics are gonna stiff me on that $20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49360868) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:30 PM Author: odious ladyboy You sound like a good host. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49360872) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:34 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Ty Amanda Reckonwith, welcome to stay any time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49360883) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:38 PM Author: obsidian site ceo happy it's going well. lol at people leaving GLITTER everywhere jfc
edit: is this an investment property, or cottage or something? it's not your actual residence is it |
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Date: October 21st, 2025 11:20 PM Author: Diverse half-breed It's my former residence, built a bigger home.
Those glitter spics that left the jewelry - I mailed it and it was delivered yesterday, no acknowledgment that they even received it and of course they haven't reimbursed my shipping expense. I think I will give them a couple more days then hit em with DAT ONE STAR |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:02 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Update: They ended up paying me $20. I spent it on a book about some birdshit that walked across Japan in the 70s (https://www.amazon.com/Roads-Sata-2000-Mile-Through-Japan/dp/1568361874) and am awaiting delivery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457218) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: heady background story how was the book? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509353) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:38 PM Author: Diverse half-breed I'm at the part in the book where he's just leaving Sapporo. Still got a ways to go, it takes me forever to get through a book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509355) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:58 PM Author: umber razzle famous landscape painting stock car Isn't that a risk because they will one star you back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457431) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:39 PM Author: Mind-boggling Center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49360888) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:11 PM Author: Multi-colored dopamine Are you still working as a lawyer?
Do you have any xo Easter eggs in the listing for your bros. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:13 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Yeah - my target with this is only about $20-30k per year. It's too much work to scale this to have more properties and at that point I'd need to hire cleaners and I'd be at risk of a downturn, etc. Right now I wfh right next to it and I just pop over at check out to clean for the next guest, usually take lunch after that, then get back to poasting or billing. No easter eggs, suggestions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49360945) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 5:11 PM Author: Multi-colored dopamine The cabin is a great base for your adventures in Green Mountain National Forest, at Stratton, or pretty much wherever you want. It features a renovated kitchen, four big bedrooms, and two livings room. You'll be glad to stay here and see what unfolds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49362433) |
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Date: October 21st, 2025 6:24 AM Author: Diverse half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49363437) |
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Date: November 18th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Just got a $10 cash tip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49440755) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:53 PM Author: spectacular bright messiness hissy fit i bet none of your law clients tip for shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457415) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Actually got my first LAW TIP of $150 this year lmao not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457985) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 4:03 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Just had my first Chinese guests. There were Chinese takeout containers at the top of the trash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49454380) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Also forgot to add but I am now a super host and guest favorite. I have 22 5-star reviews. One faggot rated me 4 stars and gave me a "2" for communication, despite the fact he never once contacted me or anything. The fuck was he expecting? My stats show I always respond within an hour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457214) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: spectacular bright messiness hissy fit how do people become 'super hosts' and 'guest favorites'? i thought i saw some airbnb types bitching about superhosts not appearing as promenently in search results or smth like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457418) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 5:56 PM Author: aphrodisiac cumskin After You get a lot of 5 star reviews you’ll become a super host. And no, It’s the opposite…super hosts will be more visible in searches (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49457423) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 1:04 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Check out time is 11 and I saw the guest leave from my peeking area in my house and I went over there and the house was cluttered with their shit. So I texted and it's a WGWBG couple and the guy said his mom "thought check out was at 1" and she just arrived at their house for breakfast. I have another guest checking in at 3, if this nig isn't packed up (LJL at them running on time) I'm just gonna bag her shit up and let her come grab it. When is check out ever at 1 anywhere? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49467839) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: Diverse half-breed FFS. This nig brought his momma and they stole all the complimentary water/tea bottles from the fridge and also the aveeno body wash; they LEFT THE FRIDGE DOOR OPEN (granted it was like the drink door and not the full size door but it still allowed warm air into the entire fridge). I mean what the fuck. Are these niggas living in some apartment with the old school big ass white fridge, was this too complicated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49468296) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Had a desi bitch text me with an inquiry in the middle of the night "What are the nearby attractions?"
bitch use google bloody benchod. Why do Indian ppl always waste time and ask a million retarded questions? They are a bunch of retarded fucking monkeys and animals have no concept of time or respecting your time. This is why I refuse to take Indian clients for legal matters. |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:12 AM Author: animeboi (.) they also smell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988046) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:43 PM Author: Diverse half-breed just had a nigger and his "disabled veteran" butt buddy check out and there's fucking dog hair everywhere. not sure what (if anything) i can do about this, they're gonna lie and say it's a service animal cause these childless loser freaks treat their dumbass dog as a surrogate child and take it everywhere with them. i think i can only revise my rules to say no unattended dogs. for the present one i may leave a 1 star review and say i'm highly allergic to dog dander and a head's up would have been appreciated that they were bringing dogs when the listing specifically says no dogs. not only that i have literally 1 rule (lock the door when leaving) and they failed to do that. dumbass fucktarded nigger and cumskin "(mentally) disabled veteran" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509261) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: Nofapping Station Sound Barrier never understood this you work your entire life away and sit on your balls for 20 years to avoid proles, inviting them into your house as you wait on them hand & foot seems insane. |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:51 PM Author: Diverse half-breed any other ideas for a second house that's sitting empty? not practical to sell it, don't want a long term tenant since they'll have rights and shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509279) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:04 PM Author: Nofapping Station Sound Barrier You would probably make more selling it and letting the money sit in a fund Waiting around for/and/to text retards and cleaning up their excrement and sheddings seems ncr 120 ROI Your time must be literally worthless to do this, also, someone will eventually wreck the place for fun (kids go around turning out airbnbs) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:08 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Can't sell it without a property division and granting an easement (which would massively decreased the sales price compared to value). It's tucked into a property with acreage that has other things on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509301) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:10 PM Author: Nofapping Station Sound Barrier Idk, maybe its a nothingburger for you, but the idea of not dealing with high traffic proledom seems the entire purpose of working/saving money
Why not just give it up to some sort of property management co and just get rent |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:23 PM Author: Diverse half-breed texting guests takes minimal effort, cleaning is not that big of a deal and i dont wanna give up all my profit to pay some illegal beaner that's gonna do a half assed job when i can just do it myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509334) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: obsidian site ceo so it's going OK overall or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509276) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 4:50 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Yeah, so far it's pretty easy and nothing major (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509278) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:14 PM Author: obsidian site ceo nice. i think i'd enjoy it too but otoh i don't have any patience for any of the stuff you're mentioning. i would just want to cater to young bachelorette parties or college cheerleaders or traveling nurses. i'd be a total gentleman and nice host but just saying those are the guests i would want to interact with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509314) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:23 PM Author: Diverse half-breed traveling nurse thing seems CR and i've been meaning to look into that. i would prefer more disabled dog niggas than a bachelorette party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509337) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:24 PM Author: provocative hyperventilating institution what about an asian bachelorette party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509340) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:26 PM Author: Diverse half-breed No, see above re: chinese takeout containers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509342) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: Glittery Lay 180 - Have you considered hanging a moose’s head on the wall and hiring a bellman from Barcelona? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509312) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: Emerald Candlestick Maker add “airbnb superhost” to your online dating profile and the asian hiking girlfriends will queue at your door (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49509378) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 3:01 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Have 11 straight nights booked over the holidays, including Christmas and NYE. A single guest is checking in for 3 nights. Seems a bit odd, hope he doesn't kill himself over Christmas. Should I invite him over to my place? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49534446) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2026 4:10 PM Author: Diverse half-breed Update on this: It was a gay dude who left the place super clean and had some faggy friends over, no clear signs of buttsex.
Also after about 8 months I got my first turdskin that booked the place. Wish me luck bros. |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:55 AM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball I have now been a super host for 4 consecutive quarters and Airbnb has rewarded me with a $100 airbnb credit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49987939) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:57 AM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) brother, i am rooting for you. tbh i am sort of surprised this is working out as well as it seems to be. otoh i have friends with an airbnb beach house and it's been very profitable for them - thing is, they dodge some of the unfavorable renters by virtue of the high price (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49987943) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:27 AM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball Luckily the house is too small for parties, there’s no teens where I live, and overall it’s just families or people in town for sports or weddings or what have you. It’s a relatively affluent suburb. It’s not really worth the effort based on my lawyer hourly rate but it’s good to diversify and have a second income stream and I’ve got my kids doing most of the cleaning now and I pay em like $25 each (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988003) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:48 AM Author: t.rick o'treat panama have you considered putting a pic/bio page in the gay 'house rules' book letting people know the cleaning lady is a guatemalan 'immigrant' ? might increase your tips (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988019) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:56 AM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball I don’t have a house rules book and the only “rule” listed in the app is please lock the door after check out and half these retards cant even do that. People that make a binder of bullshit are deluding themselves nobody reads all that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988022) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:36 AM Author: t.rick o'treat panama staying at a bunch of euro airbnb's in a week or so, will post any ridiculous binder requests from the hosts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988102) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:38 AM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball Are you traveling with a bunch of other people or kids too old to share a bed? Airbnb seems more expensive and more hassle than hotels these days and only seems worth it if you need extra space. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988107) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:43 AM Author: t.rick o'treat panama traveling w/ wife & kid the first week, the airbnb's in paris and barcelona were price competitive with any decent hotel and we get a lot more space / option to do simple meals if we want.
we will use a marriot in madrid when we drop off the kid at the music school, then another airbnb for us in palma |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:44 AM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball Makes sense and sounds like a fun trip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988119) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:14 AM Author: animeboi (.) In my experience euro short term rentals are pretty chill and don't ask you to do bullshit like in the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768128&forum_id=2Elisa#49988202) |