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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Offensive principal's office
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Crystalline big kitty hell
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
soggy boyish keepsake machete
  06/15/18
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brilliant fragrant lettuce
  06/15/18
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brilliant fragrant lettuce
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
jet-lagged parlor mexican
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Soul-stirring pit headpube
  10/06/21
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Offensive principal's office
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
lascivious pearly university
  06/15/18
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brilliant fragrant lettuce
  06/15/18
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Glassy pozpig mother
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
lascivious pearly university
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Histrionic public bath background story
  06/15/18
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Beta Friendly Grandma Shrine
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
brilliant fragrant lettuce
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
High-end trailer park sneaky criminal
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Chestnut Skinny Woman Location
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
balding trump supporter trust fund
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
jet-lagged parlor mexican
  06/15/18
sounds 180
lascivious pearly university
  06/15/18
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Beta Friendly Grandma Shrine
  06/15/18
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Glassy pozpig mother
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
Swashbuckling dog poop
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brilliant fragrant lettuce
  06/15/18
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soggy boyish keepsake machete
  06/15/18
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Glassy pozpig mother
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Glassy pozpig mother
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balding trump supporter trust fund
  06/15/18
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Marvelous Queen Of The Night
  06/15/18
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Glassy pozpig mother
  02/15/21
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Marvelous Queen Of The Night
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Offensive principal's office
  10/06/21
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Offensive principal's office
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
iridescent deranged center
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Offensive principal's office
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Curious State
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Offensive principal's office
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Curious State
  06/15/18
Explain
Offensive principal's office
  06/15/18
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Offensive principal's office
  06/16/18
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Offensive principal's office
  09/04/18
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Marvelous Queen Of The Night
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
trip mahogany goyim box office
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Heady New Version National
  06/15/18
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Offensive principal's office
  02/12/21
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Bright underhanded personal credit line
  02/12/21
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Glassy pozpig mother
  02/15/21
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Offensive principal's office
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Filthy haunting locale travel guidebook
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
nofapping jet gas station
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Offensive principal's office
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
vibrant insanely creepy resort hominid
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Offensive principal's office
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
vibrant insanely creepy resort hominid
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Offensive principal's office
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Odious yarmulke
  02/12/21
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Bright underhanded personal credit line
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Filthy haunting locale travel guidebook
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Odious yarmulke
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Embarrassed to the bone home haunted graveyard
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Odious yarmulke
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Embarrassed to the bone home haunted graveyard
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
nofapping jet gas station
  02/12/21
lol no
180 claret messiness
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
concupiscible lavender office
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Offensive principal's office
  06/29/21
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Offensive principal's office
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Cerebral grizzly bawdyhouse
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
magenta appetizing crackhouse laser beams
  10/06/21
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Offensive principal's office
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Crystalline big kitty hell

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: soggy boyish keepsake machete

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: brilliant fragrant lettuce



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: brilliant fragrant lettuce



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: jet-lagged parlor mexican

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Soul-stirring pit headpube

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#49178217)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: lascivious pearly university

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: brilliant fragrant lettuce



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: lascivious pearly university

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Histrionic public bath background story

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Beta Friendly Grandma Shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: brilliant fragrant lettuce

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: High-end trailer park sneaky criminal

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Chestnut Skinny Woman Location

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: balding trump supporter trust fund

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: jet-lagged parlor mexican

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: lascivious pearly university

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Beta Friendly Grandma Shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253030)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253696)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Swashbuckling dog poop

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: brilliant fragrant lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253073)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: soggy boyish keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253597)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: balding trump supporter trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Marvelous Queen Of The Night



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Marvelous Queen Of The Night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231423)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: iridescent deranged center

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Curious State

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Curious State

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Marvelous Queen Of The Night



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: trip mahogany goyim box office

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Heady New Version National

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Bright underhanded personal credit line



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Glassy pozpig mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Filthy haunting locale travel guidebook

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: nofapping jet gas station

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: vibrant insanely creepy resort hominid

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: vibrant insanely creepy resort hominid

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Odious yarmulke

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Bright underhanded personal credit line



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Filthy haunting locale travel guidebook

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Odious yarmulke

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone home haunted graveyard

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Odious yarmulke

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone home haunted graveyard

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: nofapping jet gas station

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: 180 claret messiness

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: concupiscible lavender office

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Offensive principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Cerebral grizzly bawdyhouse



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: magenta appetizing crackhouse laser beams

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Offensive principal's office



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