all have been overshadowed by the overwrought Nolan batsmen which are aging like a chicken breast left out on a grain shelf ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968581)

arnold puts on a top tier schwarzenegger performance, chewing the scenery like a Cuban mafiosa chewing a cigar nub, dropping punny one liners with a clanky bravado so apropos that it could be a thematic extension of his 120 lb freeze suit

uma thurman visibly has *fun* (for once; this is the only film i remember this happening in. otherwise she's all dour and straight-laced) in her role as a kitschy, purring femme fatale, spilling out like cherry-flavored KY jelly across the sets and actually being the sort of seductive that you imagine these Golden Age of Comics villainettes as being

Clooney is stiff and uncomfortable (apparently his classically-proportioned---down to the bat nipples---bat-suit weighed so much that he could barely turn his head without great strain) and this adds to an Adam West sort of hamminess in his acting that probably unintentionally makes for a good send-up of the early batman serials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968609)

Somewhere along the way, Hollywood made the decision that superhero movies needed to be Serious and Realistic, even though this runs contrary to the whole theme of super-powered fantasy characters. Even the Marvel era movies are at their core Serious, Real Stories that are meant to be taken seriously on their own, apart from the superhero-ness

I think you're probably right that this started with the Nolan Batman movies. But did everyone else really have to copy them? Seems unfair to pin that on Nolan. Especially because those movies were pretty good in their own right. They were a new thing at the time that were enjoyable to watch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968627)

i think the director, Schumacher, also later claimed it deserved better than some of the high brow critics' panning of it at the time and while he's pretty irrelevant now he's been proven at least half-right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968633)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26_Robin_(soundtrack)

Edit: Maybe it's worse than I remembered. I do love that Underworld track though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968647)

https://youtu.be/OUuV7nOWGM8?si=RYnORc_9ad6d32Ss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968657)

But now they're considered silly and over the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968817)

there are some "dark" elements there that even Nolan didn't touch; Batman kills more than a few people and is implied/shown to be heavily psychologically scarred both from his origin story drama and his work, Catwoman is implied to have been sexually assaulted* and becomes an unhinged BPD nutjob due to it, and DeVito's over the top Penguin performance is shaded heavily by themes and dialogue appropriate to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which i have to assume it drew inspiration from

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968839)

from Edward Scissorhands, to Corpse Bride, to Ed Wood, to this---he loves his nods to Shelley. most of his dramatis personae could spit out a pained "life, though it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it" or similar without raising notice from the editors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968856)

the bat nipple suit was, at the time, seen as a nod to the gay fandom that follows batman though. adam west is somewhat of an early gay icon. who'd have guessed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968831)