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Khabib handshake scandal perfectly exposes libs

they love the IDEA of Muslims as some benign, poorly underst...
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men and women aren't supposed to touch each other. anyone wh...
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
  06/03/25
look at you simping for a russian muzzie LMAO
hairless dead haunted graveyard
  06/03/25
Khabib is actually very friendly toward Ukraine. He applied ...
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
  06/03/25
he's still a stinking muslim
vibrant area
  06/03/25
he’s a bitchmade faggot and here you are blowing him
hairless dead haunted graveyard
  06/03/25
why, of all people, do you want to shit on Khabib? you just ...
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
  06/03/25
calm down and read the OP again shitlibs like you will si...
hairless dead haunted graveyard
  06/03/25
i'm calm. i don't think there was a conflict between the bri...
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
  06/03/25
being sexist is okay when a muzzie does it, says the shitlib
hairless dead haunted graveyard
  06/03/25
and what about when orthodox jews do it?
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
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same kind of backwards desert dwellers I’m also aga...
hairless dead haunted graveyard
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I love it when people repeat SHITLIB when they're the ones t...
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NOT racist just don't like em. Simple as
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You sound Jewish
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lol at this second world nonsense. you should be deported.
lavender hospital alpha
  06/03/25
no i shouldnt
Coiffed apoplectic nowag
  06/03/25
you seem to identify more with ukraine than america and via ...
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he's not doing damage to families. people are getting divorc...
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Boom. Gone.
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why, because he's pointing out that khabib is sympathetic to...
provocative buff field clown
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because he destroys american families for a living, engages ...
lavender hospital alpha
  06/04/25
That guy married his cousin and worships a pedo Spare me
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every time I’ve interacted with mahoobaboob sandnigger...
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but man on man touching is very welcome. https://www.yah...
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Taliban penis should not be underrated tp
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Islam is right about women.
dashing dilemma roast beef
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it is and they have to go back
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and dogs
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touching women is faggy shit
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?
hairless dead haunted graveyard
  06/03/25
op, would you describe shomer negiah as a caricature of back...
Motley sex offender stage
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op?
Motley sex offender stage
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I'm with Khabib on this one. I'll hug and kiss my bros and t...
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Most bort libs like me are the Sam Harris/Bill Maher kind. W...
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bloodacre would willingly drink Khabib’s piss
hairless dead haunted graveyard
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Tbf that 'lady' looks extremely dirty and like a mega slut.
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This is one thing I don’t begrudge conservative Muslim...
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cr. and that announcer has worked in soccer in Europe for y...
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the west has this woman half naked with gigantic hair on liv...
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calm down mohammed
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That team is basically Inside the NBA but for European Socce...
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"maybe khabib's religious practices are old school but ...
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yes, it's reflective of that as in shows through action a be...
Soul-stirring parlor knife
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they're talking about this constantly on espn, right?
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they won’t touch it. hell, even CBS seems to be comple...
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You love and revere your women so much that they sleep with ...
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^this fat jew cuck is speaking from experience
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His sperm was in her throat when you kissed her. Respect you...
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Your fat kike wife was about 50 different White guys’ ...
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now let’s talk about your twerking tea boys
hairless dead haunted graveyard
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Thread is about women retard, stay on topic now
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no, it’s about how you muzzies don’t belong
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Most Muslims, say 1.5bn, are victims of Islam. But there...
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

they love the IDEA of Muslims as some benign, poorly understood noble savage that is not the caricature of backwardness and misogyny that silly conservatives make them out to be

then you have a true believing muzzie who absolutely embarrassed a woman on TV and they don’t know what to make of it

https://x.com/azatalsalim/status/1929216302746378627

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982684)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982897)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: vibrant area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982904)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:28 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

men and women aren't supposed to touch each other. anyone who has ever interacted with a muslim of either gender would know this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982905)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

look at you simping for a russian muzzie

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982914)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:36 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

Khabib is actually very friendly toward Ukraine. He applied for but was denied Ukrainian citizenship years ago. Since 2022, he's spoken out against the invasion.

I don't think it's fair to call him Russian when he's from Dagestan. Surely, he does not identify as Russian or with Russian "culture" in any way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982932)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:37 AM
Author: vibrant area

he's still a stinking muslim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982934)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:37 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

he’s a bitchmade faggot and here you are blowing him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982935)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

why, of all people, do you want to shit on Khabib? you just hate muslims?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982998)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

calm down and read the OP again

shitlibs like you will side with backwards muzzies instead of with western women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983036)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

i'm calm. i don't think there was a conflict between the british reporter and khabib. he respectfully declined to shake her hand. i'm not siding with anyone because there's no dispute to be honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983066)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:01 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

being sexist is okay when a muzzie does it, says the shitlib

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983217)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

and what about when orthodox jews do it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983228)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:37 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

same kind of backwards desert dwellers

I’m also against them sucking little baby cocks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983306)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 5:23 AM
Author: Soul-stirring parlor knife

I love it when people repeat SHITLIB when they're the ones taking a shitlib position. oh no the sexism and misogny! lol fag.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985500)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:23 PM
Author: stimulating walnut mexican

NOT racist just don't like em. Simple as

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983421)



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Date: August 3rd, 2025 11:05 AM
Author: aphrodisiac amethyst stag film trust fund

You sound Jewish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#49152574)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:38 AM
Author: lavender hospital alpha

lol at this second world nonsense. you should be deported.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982939)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:39 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

no i shouldnt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982941)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: lavender hospital alpha

you seem to identify more with ukraine than america and via your profession you do a significant amount of damage to american families in new jersey. this country really would be better off if you left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983061)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: provocative buff field clown

he's not doing damage to families. people are getting divorced. When money, kids, and crazy people are involved it's never going to be pleasant. Knowing his personality, I doubt he adds more fuel to the fire. He's a chill guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985945)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:44 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982953)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: dashing dilemma roast beef

Boom. Gone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982999)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: Lime Fragrant Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983078)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: provocative buff field clown

why, because he's pointing out that khabib is sympathetic to ukraine?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985936)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:58 AM
Author: lavender hospital alpha

because he destroys american families for a living, engages in human trafficking and cares about our foreign enemies more than the people of the country he lives in as a guest and profits from. also you pee sitting down and fart cum from your asshole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986224)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:16 AM
Author: Umber address

That guy married his cousin and worships a pedo

Spare me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983039)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Lime Fragrant Locale

every time I’ve interacted with mahoobaboob sandnigger bitches they touched my cock and I don’t do their gay rug bullshit so you’re wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983087)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: razzmatazz abode feces

but man on man touching is very welcome.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/took-vacation-taliban-fell-love-140058981.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983099)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:01 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983218)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:23 PM
Author: lake indecent psychic whorehouse

Taliban penis should not be underrated tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985205)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: dashing dilemma roast beef

Islam is right about women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48982913)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: maroon idiot

it is and they have to go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983069)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: razzmatazz abode feces

and dogs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983086)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: cracking kitchen community account

touching women is faggy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983100)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48984587)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: Motley sex offender stage

op, would you describe shomer negiah as a caricature of backwardness and misogyny?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983136)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: Motley sex offender stage

op?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48984773)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: Opaque irradiated ticket booth telephone

I'm with Khabib on this one. I'll hug and kiss my bros and totally ignore their wives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983151)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:52 AM
Author: cracking kitchen community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983187)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:25 PM
Author: Alcoholic rehab codepig

Most bort libs like me are the Sam Harris/Bill Maher kind. We don’t like Muslims or their culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983426)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

bloodacre would willingly drink Khabib’s piss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48983624)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Sick Foreskin School

Tbf that 'lady' looks extremely dirty and like a mega slut.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48984681)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:07 PM
Author: histrionic ladyboy

This is one thing I don’t begrudge conservative Muslims or Jews on. If it’s his sincerely held religious belief idgaf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985187)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: out-of-control azure point faggotry

cr.

and that announcer has worked in soccer in Europe for years and she has to know that Muslim men have that view. to her credit, she didn't make a big thing out of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985200)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:39 PM
Author: exciting institution depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985213)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 5:25 AM
Author: Soul-stirring parlor knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985501)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 5:33 AM
Author: Soul-stirring parlor knife

the west has this woman half naked with gigantic hair on live tv acting like she's "just one of the guys" because "women and men are the same" and she is really, really, really a serious sports commentator and not just a pair of tits in a revealing outfit (all of the men in suits btw) performing this weird kabuki theater as the audience undergo the humiliation ritual of being forced to pretend this woman has something to say about sports and it's just up there as a superficial feminist symbol but actually just a piece of eye candy.

maybe khabib's religious practices are old school but i think that they reflect and demonstrate a much more profound love and respect for women than the west does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985503)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: lavender hospital alpha

calm down mohammed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985727)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:48 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985839)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:58 AM
Author: Lime Fragrant Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985868)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:29 AM
Author: Spruce Razzle Dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985967)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:42 AM
Author: Coiffed apoplectic nowag

That team is basically Inside the NBA but for European Soccer.

The men are all former players (Thierry Henry, Jamie Carragher and Micah Richards) and bust each others balls and provide insight and commentary. Kate Scott is the cute journalist moderator kind of like Ernie Johnson (not that i think he's cute or whatever).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985824)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:23 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985946)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: provocative buff field clown

"maybe khabib's religious practices are old school but i think that they reflect and demonstrate a much more profound love and respect for women than the west does."

lol please. not shaking a woman's hand reflects profound love and respect? your first paragraph is ok, though a little too incel twitter but that last sentence. c'mon bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985965)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 6:06 PM
Author: Soul-stirring parlor knife

yes, it's reflective of that as in shows through action a belief that men and women are different and we should be wary about their interactions. i'd say the same about a burqa. obviously i don't fucking think that men shouldn't shake hands with women and women should be completely covered in public. i'm just saying (EXPLICITLY OUTDATED TO SIGNAL I DON'T AGREE IN SUBSTANCE YOU RC FAIL FAGGOT) it *reflects* something i think it's wise.

and it's far better than the western alternative where bonnie blue fucking 1000 dudes and walking around in public covered in cum is seen as YAS QUEEN SOOOO LIBERATING AND EMPOWERING!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48987186)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:30 AM
Author: mind-boggling drunken party of the first part

they're talking about this constantly on espn, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985741)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 9:53 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

they won’t touch it. hell, even CBS seems to be completely ignoring

conservative news are all over it, and the shitlib sites that do mention it are saying shit like “there’s a perfectly gold explanation - he’s a backwards muzzie and here’s what that’s great and admirable”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985854)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: racy casino

You love and revere your women so much that they sleep with an average of 37 men before shacking up with a sadsack like you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985943)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: Lime Fragrant Locale

^this fat jew cuck is speaking from experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48985956)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: racy casino

His sperm was in her throat when you kissed her. Respect yourself before you can respect women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986032)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:30 AM
Author: Lime Fragrant Locale

Your fat kike wife was about 50 different White guys’ worst option on a late night out before she decided to put up with a whiny fag like you

But I’m sure you respect that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986138)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:16 AM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

now let’s talk about your twerking tea boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986106)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: racy casino

Thread is about women retard, stay on topic now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986178)



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Date: June 4th, 2025 2:31 PM
Author: hairless dead haunted graveyard

no, it’s about how you muzzies don’t belong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#48986661)



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Date: August 3rd, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: aphrodisiac amethyst stag film trust fund

Most Muslims, say 1.5bn, are victims of Islam.

But there are also hundreds of millions(!), say 3-400m, who are Islamic enforcers. These are crazy but realistic numbers and these omnipresent enforcers represent the core social/military(same) strength of Islam.

If one extinguishes enough of these, the majority would be able to free themselves from that debilitating ideology.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732820&forum_id=2Elisa#49152622)