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Should no-breakfasted friend leave sweatshop firm for other biglaw firm?
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Friend is a 10th year associate at a v15ish firm that sounds more demanding that the average v15 firm. Lots of ruined weekends and vacations. But, he says people like him and want him on their matters.
He got an offer at an equally prestigious biglaw firm. He's thinking of taking it. I lean toward yes, he should, because even though biglaw is almost always demanding, he gets worked dumped on him at the last minute before weekends and vacations more than average. He has young kids.
As an aside, he was wondering where partnership prospects would be best. I told him they are essentially 0 at either place because he has no book. |
Date: August 24th, 2025 2:25 PM Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:, What practice group? People with no book make partner all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209180) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:27 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Litmo
How/why do people with no book get breakfast at a v15? |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:30 PM Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:, I don't know about V15, but you can make breakfast and make more money at a somewhat lower ranked firm in some cases. Are the going to give him one or those $1 million of counsel deals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209195) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 5:45 PM Author: Nazca Redlines No, he would be making the top senior associate market rate either way. That's not bad. $500k+. See the other recent thread about many "biglaw" partners making no more than that: https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765548&mc=53&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209500) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 6:38 PM Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:, staying in biglaw for less than $1 million is dumb after a point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209624) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:35 PM Author: Nazca Redlines I agree, and he probably would too. His wife wants trips to Paris, designer clothes for their kids, pretty much whatever she wants. So, he is still in biglaw and not enjoying it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209813) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:01 PM Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:, if you're at a v15 and they just tell you no, no way, no breakfast ever, you just gotta leave. same thing happened to me and i hung on longer than i should've (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209873) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:32 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., you could luck out and be the go-to for a rainmaker's client (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209203) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 5:48 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Does that get you real breakfast? The client probably wouldn't follow you to another firm if you left. That's the only thing that really counts as a book.
In any event, I don't think that would be more likely at the new firm. At his current firm, he has a few years of a good reputation to help him. |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:39 PM Author: Gefilte Fish Vindaloo All of those firms have fake partnership now for people in this situation. Or almost all of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209220) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 2:31 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., "friend" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209198) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: My little restricted guy He should go to Lewis Brisbois imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209257) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 5:53 PM Author: Die Hard 2: Die Harder He definitely needs to bail. Sounds like everyone at firm #1 recognizes him for his good work and reliability, but don’t stop to consider his future prospects. They may if he presents an offer from elsewhere. Or they may not. Plan to move (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209515) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:37 PM Author: Nazca Redlines What would you expect his current firm to do if he says he weighing a lateral move? Help him take on less work? That's not the nature of the assignment. They're not giving him breakfast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209817) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 11:25 PM Author: sabbatical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49210320) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 6:49 PM Author: basta! ((zurich is stained)) He might as well bounce in the hopes that lifestyle improves, which it might but but whatever. Plan to go in house within 3-5 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209666) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:17 PM Author: QueenLaBEEFah He’s a litmo. You might as well “plan” to win the Powerball in 3-5 years lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209766) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:23 PM Author: Candy Ride Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209785) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:38 PM Author: Nazca Redlines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209821) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:40 PM Author: basta! ((zurich is stained)) lol at that breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209828) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:43 PM Author: Eric L Bumpus, 4409 Rawlins St, Dallas, TX 75219 (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209834) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:52 PM Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209848) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:20 PM Author: Gefilte Fish Vindaloo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209919) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:23 PM Author: potluck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209925) |
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Date: August 25th, 2025 1:11 PM Author: propecia mathematica (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49211309) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:28 PM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) This is a stupid hypo. If he is making good money he should stay where he’s at. Jumping ship offers him nothing. It’s not like they’re going to reward him for having no book. If he wants to go in-house or start his own thing, that’s one thing. But if it’s just fishing for the best opportunity within law firms, leaving ship is almost always the worst option. |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:42 PM Author: basta! ((zurich is stained)) No offense but if you’re saying he should stay put he should leave. You make 225k as a senior shitlawyer. You could’ve made more if you made the right moves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209832) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:56 PM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) I make nothing and my actual irl is a nightmare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209860) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:57 PM Author: basta! ((zurich is stained)) I’m sorry man. I hope the panic attacks improve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209863) |
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Date: August 25th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: My little restricted guy I hope they get worse so he poasts more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49211367) |
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Date: August 25th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: basta! ((zurich is stained)) wow, timmy titfucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49211588) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:50 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Jumping offers a good chance at fewer ruined weekends and vacations for the same money. If I were him, I would do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209845) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:57 PM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) I haven’t had a non-ruined weekend in decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209862) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:09 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Sounds rough. He's a good guy who seems to genuinely enjoy spending time with his wife, kids, and friends when biglaw doesn't interfere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209887) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:10 PM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) I want to die daily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209890) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:38 PM Author: preventive strike Doesn't matter that much because when your kids grow up and you realize you missed their childhood because you were doing biglaw I heard you can always do a 'reset' and redo their childhoods and stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209818) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:48 PM Author: Nazca Redlines You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I think his wife's expensive tastes have him locked in.
To be fair, the impetus for leaving is that there is a good chance another firm will have better work life balance, even if it's still biglaw. |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 7:54 PM Author: preventive strike Yea i was being an asshole but fwiw i think its a great idea to do career change things once every 5-10 years esp in your buddys case if thats how he's been treated. i think its a no brainer tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209850) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:07 PM Author: Nazca Redlines "Career change" sounds more significant than lateral to a firm that, from the outside, appears essentially identical to his current firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209882) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 8:10 PM Author: .:.::;.:.;.::.;.:; lol no she should just leave that business model behind if she knows what’s good for her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5765808&forum_id=2Elisa#49209892) |