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rating poasters as bizarre classical music from the 20th/21st centuries

mostly solo piano.
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
requesting Chopin pls
Low-t autistic partner
  01/17/26
Chopin is from the 19th century, so we'll have to resort to ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
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judgmental hall
  01/17/26
The second nocturne from Sciarrino's Due Notturni Crudeli --...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
wild, ty!
judgmental hall
  01/17/26
There's usually no middle ground with this type of music: yo...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
that kind of music generally sucks, but content
Carnelian base
  01/17/26
Have to go with Ferneyhough then. He's obviously a cynical f...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
180, the piece qua music isn't even that horrible, but the u...
Carnelian base
  01/17/26
The problem here is that this incomprehensibly complex style...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
but content tp
vibrant national
  01/17/26
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Angry Liquid Oxygen
  01/17/26
Sorabji's 19th etude. Oddly upbeat and unserious considering...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
Jcm here
very tactful grizzly corner hominid
  01/17/26
Julius Eastman's "Crazy Nigger": https://www.youtu...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
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swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
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glassy dilemma internal respiration
  01/17/26
Hikari Kiyama's "Three Shells" for two hands and o...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
this is completely preposterous
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
...
glassy dilemma internal respiration
  01/17/26
I'm Facebook friends with the pianist Ljl
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
lmao
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
And the composer too. Almost forgot.
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
This isn't even Kiyama's most preposterous piece. Check out ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/18/26
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Marvelous house
  01/17/26
Michael Finnissy's Piano Concerto no. 4 for solo piano: http...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
Nice, still discernible dramatic arc though dissonant
Marvelous house
  01/17/26
Yes, I view this piece as being pushed to the absolute limit...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
I have attended one of the note changes in the Halberstadt p...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
I rate you as insufferable minimalism by John Adams. Here's ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
180 thank you you used the phrase "obviously a cynical...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
No doubt John Cage spewed out a lot of pure trash, but some ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
can you please link me to Cage's pieces for prepared piano y...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
Haven't listened to them in over a decade at this point, so ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
link in here please if any come to mind later on, I've never...
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAImmOqNzzs
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
ty
swollen orange temple mexican
  01/17/26
Herbert Henck is a great pianist. I believe his recordings o...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
Damn just looked him up, and he died recently. RIP bro.
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
...
Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge
  01/17/26
"Evryali" by Iannis Xenakis, specifically Takahash...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
...
Adventurous Slimy Stag Film
  01/17/26
is this a compliment? are we friends?
Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge
  01/17/26
This is my favorite piece by Xenakis.
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
I love you so much
Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge
  01/17/26
...
Adventurous Slimy Stag Film
  01/17/26
Clarence Barlow's variations on the last movement from Beeth...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
...
startling boiling water center
  01/17/26
I hate to mention the same composer twice, but I can't think...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/18/26
do you know this? Fazil Say - Black Earth interesting te...
judgmental hall
  01/17/26
I know the pianist/composer, but I haven't heard this partic...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/17/26
understood. and yes i understand this reaching inside is fr...
judgmental hall
  01/17/26
Reaching inside was Cowell's innovation. And Cowell was one ...
Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner
  01/18/26
...
judgmental hall
  01/18/26


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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

mostly solo piano.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596192)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:23 AM
Author: Low-t autistic partner

requesting Chopin pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596197)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:27 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Chopin is from the 19th century, so we'll have to resort to an early 20th-century reintepretation of Chopin's etudes by Godowsky. Not particularly bizarre, just difficult to perform. Apologies in advance for any disappointment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuEa1XLEVSw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596202)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:24 AM
Author: judgmental hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596198)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:29 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

The second nocturne from Sciarrino's Due Notturni Crudeli -- to be performed with rage per the composer's instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_dn3ORLq6s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596206)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: judgmental hall

wild, ty!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596339)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:37 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

There's usually no middle ground with this type of music: you either love it or violently hate it and think it's just noise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596419)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:03 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596874)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:26 PM
Author: Carnelian base

that kind of music generally sucks, but content

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596394)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:30 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Have to go with Ferneyhough then. He's obviously a cynical fraud and charlatan, but that's true of most composers with a similar style. Personally I can't stand any of his music. Enjoy! Just look at how pretentious the piece's title is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMXbM0RCeU



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596404)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: Carnelian base

180, the piece qua music isn't even that horrible, but the unreadble notation and beyond pretentious title push it over the top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597223)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

The problem here is that this incomprehensibly complex style is taken to the point where I could create the same semi-random but pointlessly complex music despite me having no talent as a composer. That's why you can't take Ferneyhough or similar composers seriously. But they do want you to take them seriously. After all, Ferneyhough made it all the way to Stanford with this gibberish "music."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597685)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:58 PM
Author: vibrant national

but content tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597001)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:41 PM
Author: Angry Liquid Oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596425)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:47 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Sorabji's 19th etude. Oddly upbeat and unserious considering Sorabji's typically serious style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFZYqLqBHOc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596437)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: very tactful grizzly corner hominid

Jcm here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596525)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:18 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Julius Eastman's "Crazy Nigger": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aR0naIp9eM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596530)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596884)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:20 PM
Author: glassy dilemma internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596538)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:55 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Hikari Kiyama's "Three Shells" for two hands and one foot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyy3CRuMQnc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596865)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:22 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

this is completely preposterous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596919)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:41 PM
Author: glassy dilemma internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596958)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:47 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

I'm Facebook friends with the pianist Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596979)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:49 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596985)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:58 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

And the composer too. Almost forgot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596999)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:48 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597089)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 9:19 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

This isn't even Kiyama's most preposterous piece. Check out his "Innocent Prisoner" for piano and voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LIw8ykSmGU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49598324)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:56 PM
Author: Marvelous house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596869)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:59 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Michael Finnissy's Piano Concerto no. 4 for solo piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKfFaSWr4m0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596870)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:38 PM
Author: Marvelous house

Nice, still discernible dramatic arc though dissonant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596948)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:50 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Yes, I view this piece as being pushed to the absolute limit of dissonance and complexity without devolving into randomness. Actually it goes too far, but there's much worse out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596986)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:05 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

I have attended one of the note changes in the Halberstadt performance of John Cage's As Slow As Possible. Rate me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596877)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

I rate you as insufferable minimalism by John Adams. Here's his "Phrygian Gates": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DixKnE9HqIU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596883)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

180 thank you

you used the phrase "obviously a cynical fraud and charlatan" above and that is how I view Cage but others may disagree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596891)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:16 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

No doubt John Cage spewed out a lot of pure trash, but some of his music is actually enjoyable. For instance, his pieces for prepared piano.

Ferneyhough, the fraud and charlatan, is just SPS with no redeeming qualities. It's just unnecessary complexity and near-randomness that ordinary people laugh at (and should).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596904)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:20 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

can you please link me to Cage's pieces for prepared piano you enjoyed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596915)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:34 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Haven't listened to them in over a decade at this point, so I don't remember specific pieces. The interesting ones had minimalist aspects IIRC. The problem with the recordings is the piano preparation and resultant sound varies wildly with each recording. So some recordings sound dull while others are more lively.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596940)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:36 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

link in here please if any come to mind later on, I've never been able to enjoy anything by Cage but I'm open to reassessing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596945)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:40 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAImmOqNzzs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596952)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:49 PM
Author: swollen orange temple mexican

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596984)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Herbert Henck is a great pianist. I believe his recordings of Cage's works were my favorite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596991)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:53 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Damn just looked him up, and he died recently. RIP bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596993)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:38 PM
Author: Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596950)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:48 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

"Evryali" by Iannis Xenakis, specifically Takahashi's recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbUgAXt75s8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49596980)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:52 PM
Author: Adventurous Slimy Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597105)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 6:25 PM
Author: Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge

is this a compliment? are we friends?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597348)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 6:49 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

This is my favorite piece by Xenakis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597403)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 7:24 PM
Author: Charismatic azure cuckoldry lodge

I love you so much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597475)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:52 PM
Author: Adventurous Slimy Stag Film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597104)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 5:02 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Clarence Barlow's variations on the last movement from Beethoven's last piano sonata, for mechanical piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gyJkYWdWWo (gets interesting after about 8-10 minutes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597137)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 7:00 PM
Author: startling boiling water center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597425)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:56 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

I hate to mention the same composer twice, but I can't think of anything more appropriate than Michael Finnissy's Piano Concerto no. 6 for solo piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Y1bZYi60M

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49598298)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:10 PM
Author: judgmental hall

do you know this? Fazil Say - Black Earth

interesting technique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYtybgToH2Q&t=28s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597568)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:43 PM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

I know the pianist/composer, but I haven't heard this particular piece. Classical music snobs would probably thumb their noses at this piece, but the snobs can be ignored. All that matters is whether you like it.

The technique of modifying the sound of the piano by interacting with the strings themselves is not new. Henry Cowell first explored this around 100 or so years ago. John Cage took the idea further in his pieces for prepared piano, which I mentioned earlier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597648)



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Date: January 17th, 2026 9:45 PM
Author: judgmental hall

understood. and yes i understand this reaching inside is from cage - i like this a lot more than him though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49597813)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:54 AM
Author: Avocado aromatic meetinghouse gunner

Reaching inside was Cowell's innovation. And Cowell was one of Cage's teachers, if I remember correctly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49598296)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 10:26 AM
Author: judgmental hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2Elisa#49598425)