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prole tell - not hitting ur 401k max?

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Fratty
  09/11/25
401k beyond employer match is retarded.
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
Prole tell: not being able to benefit from the $23k tax dedu...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  09/11/25
that's $8.5k of federal tax saved right there
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
  09/11/25
Not saved, deferred. But the taxes on dividends are also def...
charles XII
  09/11/25
It saves you from paying long term capital gains. That's the...
Nothing Ever Happens
  09/11/25
401k withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income. That’s ...
charles XII
  09/11/25
I know you're a liberal artist but let's try to do some Math...
Nothing Ever Happens
  09/11/25
I thought that you thought that there was No Tax Ever tbh.
charles XII
  09/11/25
Btw cap gains on after tax brokerage $ isn’t double ta...
charles XII
  09/11/25
They are in that gains are already lower by the percentage t...
Are you dumb, stupid, or dumb, huh?
  09/11/25
deferred is saved, champ. haven't you ever heard of discoun...
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
  09/11/25
I majored in history
charles XII
  09/11/25
I was being hyperbolic. But it's a close call and down to on...
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
if ur only retirement investment is ur 401k ur prole
Fratty
  09/11/25
Yeah. For the average random person, they should probabl...
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
wtf do i need more liquidity now for if my 401k is a tiny pi...
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
  09/11/25
Better or more diversified investments than what's available...
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
you're talking about $13k available to invest
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
  09/11/25
This is a great list ty But deferred taxation is a huge dra...
fulano
  09/11/25
employer matches 6% and i make $400k+ so why wouldn't i cont...
Fratty
  09/11/25
Most employer matches are up to a limit -- eg. 6% of salary ...
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
Most but not all The total 401k limit for 2025 is 70K, wh...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
  09/11/25
Mfcr
Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
  09/11/25
no cap fr fr
Ass Sunstein
  09/11/25
Major
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  09/11/25
u r jewish btw
MAGA Farm Animals are mad about something today!
  09/11/25
I just hit mine today too brother
Labubu General Counsel
  09/11/25
The bigger prole tell is thinking that investing 5% a year i...
JunkoEnoshima
  09/11/25
The biggest cost is nursing homes if you hang around long en...
Nothing Ever Happens
  09/11/25
huge prole tell is if 23k affects your QOL such that you nee...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  09/11/25
it's not even an extra $23k. it's more like an extra $13k o...
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
  09/11/25
ofs
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  09/11/25
just save $200 for an exit bag at the end, thats my plan
i gave my cousin head
  09/11/25
Middle income tell: thinking "maxing out ur 401k" ...
wait till biggus dickus hears of this
  09/11/25
Maxing Roth 401k is cr. When I make equity I’m going t...
shortporch adelson
  09/11/25


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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Fratty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257382)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

401k beyond employer match is retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257388)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


Prole tell: not being able to benefit from the $23k tax deduction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257398)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,


that's $8.5k of federal tax saved right there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257405)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: charles XII

Not saved, deferred. But the taxes on dividends are also deferred and they Vest tax-free. The guy who just buys SPY in Robin Hood instead of of his 401k is probably dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257422)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

It saves you from paying long term capital gains. That's the main point of a 401k. Otherwise you get double taxed (income tax going in, cap gains going out)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257426)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: charles XII

401k withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income. That’s a con, not a pro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257431)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

I know you're a liberal artist but let's try to do some Math here ok champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257438)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: charles XII

I thought that you thought that there was No Tax Ever tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257448)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: charles XII

Btw cap gains on after tax brokerage $ isn’t double taxation imo bc principal isn’t taxed.Discuss .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257456)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Are you dumb, stupid, or dumb, huh?

They are in that gains are already lower by the percentage the original principal was taxed. So if returns were 10% with no tax, you could make $100, invest it for $10 return. With all income taxed 20%, you pay $20 on the $100, invest $80 for $8 return, which is already 20% less return than you had with no tax, and then pay another $1.60 in tax on the $8, leaving you with $6.40, being 36% less return compared to no tax even with only a 20% rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258437)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,


deferred is saved, champ. haven't you ever heard of discount rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257551)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 8:56 PM
Author: charles XII

I majored in history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257995)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

I was being hyperbolic. But it's a close call and down to one's specific situation:

1. Liquidity & Flexibility

401(k) funds are locked up until age 59½ (barring exceptions like hardship withdrawals, loans, or penalties).

Taxable brokerage accounts or other vehicles give you instant access to your money for opportunities (business, real estate, unexpected expenses).

Greater flexibility allows you to adjust investment strategies over time without restrictions on timing or withdrawals.

2. Tax Diversification

401(k) contributions defer taxes, but all withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income—potentially at higher rates in retirement.

Non-qualified accounts (regular brokerage) get capital gains treatment (often 0%, 15%, or 20%) instead of income tax rates (which may be 22–37%).

Building both pre-tax and after-tax investment pools gives you more control over your tax bill in retirement.

3. Investment Options & Costs

401(k) plans often have limited menus of mutual funds with potentially high expense ratios.

A taxable brokerage account gives access to the full universe of ETFs, stocks, bonds, REITs, etc., often with much lower costs.

Better options = potentially higher after-fee returns over decades.

4. RMDs & Tax Burden in Retirement

Traditional 401(k)s require Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) starting at age 73.

This can force large taxable withdrawals you may not need, pushing you into higher brackets.

Taxable accounts have no forced distributions—you control what you sell and when.

5. Estate Planning & Step-Up in Basis

401(k)/IRA assets passed to heirs are fully taxable as ordinary income when withdrawn.

Taxable brokerage assets generally get a step-up in basis at death, erasing capital gains and making them more inheritance-friendly.

6. Capital Loss Harvesting

In taxable accounts, you can harvest capital losses to offset gains or up to $3,000 of ordinary income annually.

This is not possible inside a 401(k).

7. Changing Tax Landscape

Today’s tax brackets are historically low. If rates rise, being “all-in” on deferred taxes via 401(k) could be risky.

Having outside investments diversifies against future tax law risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257421)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Fratty

if ur only retirement investment is ur 401k ur prole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257437)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

Yeah.

For the average random person, they should probably 401k max.

But if your 401k is just going to be something like 10% of your assets at retirement (even assuming you max it), you're fairly likley to be in the category of people where you may be better off having the liquidity now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257461)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,


wtf do i need more liquidity now for if my 401k is a tiny pink share of my assets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257560)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:18 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

Better or more diversified investments than what's available in 401k.

For example, real estate, private credit funds, PE/VC funds, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258071)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,


you're talking about $13k available to invest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258082)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: fulano

This is a great list ty

But deferred taxation is a huge draw as is lack of capital gains tax.

I think advisors tend to overlook the list above to a great detriment of investors but maybe the ultimate purpose is to get people to save something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257647)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: Fratty

employer matches 6% and i make $400k+ so why wouldn't i contribute to the limit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257406)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

Most employer matches are up to a limit -- eg. 6% of salary up to $100k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257424)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

Most but not all

The total 401k limit for 2025 is 70K, which includes a max employee contribution of 23.5. So your employer can match up to 46.5K.

I get a 6% match with no cap. It's 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258050)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy

Mfcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258076)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:50 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

no cap fr fr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258184)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


Major

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257391)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: MAGA Farm Animals are mad about something today!

u r jewish btw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257403)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:49 PM
Author: Labubu General Counsel

I just hit mine today too brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257414)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: JunkoEnoshima

The bigger prole tell is thinking that investing 5% a year in the S&P500 for 40 years is going to cover your living and medical expenses in the last 2-3 decades of your life. You might as well spend that money now while you can actually enjoy it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257428)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

The biggest cost is nursing homes if you hang around long enough to not be able to do shit. The first 15-20 years don't really have much in the way of expenses if your house is paid for, basically every retired prole lives solely off SSI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257450)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


huge prole tell is if 23k affects your QOL such that you need 23k now to live better.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257464)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,


it's not even an extra $23k. it's more like an extra $13k or something after taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257579)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


ofs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258518)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head

just save $200 for an exit bag at the end, thats my plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257467)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:06 PM
Author: wait till biggus dickus hears of this

Middle income tell: thinking "maxing out ur 401k" means ur not also saving millions and billions in taxable accounts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49257487)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: shortporch adelson ((zurich is stained))

Maxing Roth 401k is cr. When I make equity I’m going to put all 65k )or however much) a year in using the Roth option, assuming that’s possible under the firm’s plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2Reputation#49258199)