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WaPo: "Our daughter wanted a mommy, so she picked one of her dads"

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Startling outnumbered pit nibblets
  05/12/24
Opinion Our daughter wanted a mommy, so she picked one of h...
Electric rusted depressive
  05/12/24
"they’d come into the world with the help of a ge...
Electric rusted depressive
  05/12/24
You would think they would just say that the egg donor was t...
Metal library karate
  05/12/24
this sick shit should be illegal
Odious avocado point boiling water
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Jade vivacious therapy selfie
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Startling outnumbered pit nibblets
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"My husband and I, two men, had known this moment might...
Misanthropic slimy theatre
  05/12/24
lmao how is the writer's name actually Hyram Coinblatt?
Misanthropic slimy theatre
  05/12/24
Dick Just, actually
Odious avocado point boiling water
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Heady Address Masturbator
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https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4376391&mc=140&...
Slate 180 brunch associate
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“Then again, when Mother’s Day preparations bega...
Lascivious fear-inspiring business firm
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then: "chill, my lifestyle won't affect yours at all.&q...
Electric rusted depressive
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Startling outnumbered pit nibblets
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Pontificating house
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Jade vivacious therapy selfie
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beady-eyed bawdyhouse
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Fragrant Athletic Conference Parlor
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Poor kid
supple greedy black woman
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Just kill all faggots
Thirsty Unhinged Location
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4G40jNZABI
turquoise misunderstood patrolman travel guidebook
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Happy Mothers Day, from the Washington Post
Amethyst Abusive Public Bath Kitty
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"The Term 'Mother' Dies in Darkness"
Electric rusted depressive
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Amethyst Abusive Public Bath Kitty
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“Baby haver”
Jade vivacious therapy selfie
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Provocative Crusty School Cafeteria
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talented mentally impaired dragon faggotry
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here's the author: https://njjewishnews.timesofisrael.com...
charismatic hissy fit sandwich
  05/12/24
So this dude is definitely diddling kids, right?
big degenerate
  05/12/24
Wonder if RSF subscribes to “New Jersey Jewish News&rd...
arousing awkward internal respiration
  05/12/24
that guy was born long in the tooth
Jade vivacious therapy selfie
  05/12/24
every | single | time
aqua dysfunction
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So we embarked on a new era — no longer Papa and Daddy...
Slate 180 brunch associate
  05/12/24
"initially, I had tried to pair his new Mommy title wit...
fishy cracking locale
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Profoundly sad how society has failed that little girl
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Jade vivacious therapy selfie
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beady-eyed bawdyhouse
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Fragrant Athletic Conference Parlor
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So if the husband had decided on his own to use she/her pron...
Racy deranged ladyboy
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also lol @ getting dadded around by a 3.5 yo girl
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big degenerate
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And then one day, for no reason at all...
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Date: May 12th, 2024 8:27 AM
Author: Startling outnumbered pit nibblets

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/11/daughter-gay-dad-mommy/

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Date: May 12th, 2024 8:56 AM
Author: Electric rusted depressive

Opinion Our daughter wanted a mommy, so she picked one of her dads

Are women really the only people who can be maternal?

By Richard Just

May 11, 2024 at 6:30 a.m. EDT

Richard Just is managing editor for longform at NOTUS and former editor of The Washington Post Magazine.

Sometime last fall, our oldest daughter, then 3½ years old, began telling us she wanted a mom. My husband and I, two men, had known this moment might come. We had done everything we could to lay the groundwork for her and her little sister to feel pride in our nontraditional family: We’d stocked up on two-dad children’s books and recounted many times the story of how they’d come into the world with the help of a generous egg donor and an amazing surrogate. But, at least for our older daughter, none of these preventive measures had seemed to soften the blow of realizing that every other kid she knew had a mom.

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For a week or two, she seemed genuinely upset. But then came a twist that neither my husband nor I expected: She announced that she would now call my husband “mommy.” And that, in her mind, seemed to settle it: Almost as quickly as she had become fixated on not having a mother, her funk seemed to lift, and she was back to being the energetic, funny, smart kid we had always known.

I was happy she was once again happy, but I wasn’t quite sure what we should do about this change in title. Was it okay to let her bend reality this way? Wasn’t this too big a concession to heteronormativity? Shouldn’t we teach our kids to be proud that they are part of an LGBT family, rather than letting them sweep those differences under the rug?

My husband, though, had no ambivalence: If this was what our daughter needed, then he was going with it. I saw the logic in that — and, anyway, it was his title and therefore his decision.

So we embarked on a new era — no longer Papa and Daddy but now Mommy and Daddy. At first, I thought it might turn out to be a quickly forgotten phase, but our daughter — in a way that was entirely in keeping with her personality and that I had to admit I truly admired — made it clear she was digging in: Any time I slipped up and referred to him as Papa, she swiftly corrected me.

Pretty soon, she began to police my husband’s pronouns as well. Initially, I had tried to pair his new Mommy title with the male pronouns that he uses — a small concession to reality, I guess — but it wasn’t long before our daughter began to insist that he be referred to as she and her. She had always evinced traits of a future copy editor — from an early age, if we missed or mangled a word in a story she had memorized, she was quick to let us know — and now she directed the full force of her editorial judgment at any deviations from the gender identity she had chosen for her mom-father. “She!” she would gruffly instruct me, as I unthinkingly mis-mis-gendered the man I had been married to for 10 years. “Why do you say ‘he’?”

To hammer home the point, she began every so often calling him “she-mother,” a title my husband delighted in. Occasionally, she would generously say that I, too, could be a “she-mother,” and she would have two moms.

People thought all of this was weird — or at least, I think they did, since just about everyone was too polite to say anything. As soon as she used the word “mommy” in public, I would hurry — a little embarrassed, a little proud — to explain the situation to whomever we were with. Her nursery-school teachers were, needless to say, confused. Then again, when Mother’s Day preparations began at school, things were simple. Her teachers the previous year had, after consulting us, rebranded the holiday as Parents’ Day — a gesture we really appreciated — but this time we required no special accommodation. Mother’s Day would proceed uninterrupted, since our daughter now had a mother.

But did she? That was the question — or a version of it — that I have kept turning over in my head these past months. If a mother is simply a woman who is raising a child, then, no, our daughters do not have one. But are women really the only people who can be maternal? Why can’t the roles that were historically assigned to mothers be fulfilled by parents — or loved ones — of any kind?

These should be obvious points in 2024, but in four years as a gay dad, I’ve been struck by how much unnecessary gendering still exists around families and parenting, even in our liberal East Coast community: the local Spanish-language program that’s advertised as “Mommy and Me,” the email to me and other class parents that started “Hi class moms!” I don’t stew about these things — there are never, as far as I can tell, any bad intentions involved — but I worry about the message regarding gender roles that’s being delivered to our kids. And I wonder about the messages being sent to other parents, of all types. What about nonbinary parents who aren’t reflected in the mom-dad dichotomy? What about straight dads who seem to be getting an implicit directive: Don’t function too much like a stereotypical mom?

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Our experiences, I realize, play into many culture-war topics du jour. But we are people, not ideological concepts. My husband and I are nothing more and nothing less than two parents who would do anything for their kids — including, at least for now, reconsidering the terms we use to describe our family and ourselves.

In the end, I’ve come to believe our daughter has been telling us something beautiful and profound: that she has everything she needs — including those attributes that society has normally treated as the provenance of mothers — right here in her two-dad family. And so, on this Mother’s Day, I am filled with gratitude — to my wise and spirited daughter, for challenging me to rethink labels that I never imagined I would question, and to my husband, for being the best she-mother a kid could ever have.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655224)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:07 AM
Author: Electric rusted depressive

"they’d come into the world with the help of a generous egg donor and an amazing surrogate." iow, their daughter already had a mother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655251)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:44 AM
Author: Metal library karate

You would think they would just say that the egg donor was the mom because the egg donor was the mom but I guess this is one of those Santa situations?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655315)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:17 AM
Author: Odious avocado point boiling water

this sick shit should be illegal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655262)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:22 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie



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Date: May 12th, 2024 8:57 AM
Author: Startling outnumbered pit nibblets



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:18 AM
Author: Misanthropic slimy theatre

"My husband and I, two men, had known this moment might come."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655266)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:19 AM
Author: Misanthropic slimy theatre

lmao how is the writer's name actually Hyram Coinblatt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655268)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:21 AM
Author: Odious avocado point boiling water

Dick Just, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655272)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:49 PM
Author: Heady Address Masturbator



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: Slate 180 brunch associate

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4376391&mc=140&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655275)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:43 AM
Author: Lascivious fear-inspiring business firm

“Then again, when Mother’s Day preparations began at school, things were simple. Her teachers the previous year had, after consulting us, rebranded the holiday as Parents’ Day”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655312)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:53 AM
Author: Electric rusted depressive

then: "chill, my lifestyle won't affect yours at all."

now: "my lifestyle controls what you say, think, and do."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655332)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 11:44 AM
Author: Startling outnumbered pit nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655565)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 1:40 PM
Author: Pontificating house



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656348)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 8:51 PM
Author: beady-eyed bawdyhouse



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:31 PM
Author: Fragrant Athletic Conference Parlor



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:07 PM
Author: supple greedy black woman

Poor kid

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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: Thirsty Unhinged Location

Just kill all faggots

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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:19 PM
Author: turquoise misunderstood patrolman travel guidebook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4G40jNZABI

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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:43 PM
Author: Amethyst Abusive Public Bath Kitty

Happy Mothers Day, from the Washington Post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655652)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:45 PM
Author: Electric rusted depressive

"The Term 'Mother' Dies in Darkness"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655658)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:54 PM
Author: Amethyst Abusive Public Bath Kitty



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie

“Baby haver”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656349)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 1:41 PM
Author: Provocative Crusty School Cafeteria



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:39 PM
Author: talented mentally impaired dragon faggotry



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:49 PM
Author: charismatic hissy fit sandwich

here's the author:

https://njjewishnews.timesofisrael.com/event/great-minds-salon-how-the-washinton-post-magazine-comes-together-each-week/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655664)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 12:51 PM
Author: big degenerate

So this dude is definitely diddling kids, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655675)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:14 PM
Author: arousing awkward internal respiration

Wonder if RSF subscribes to “New Jersey Jewish News”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656337)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie

that guy was born long in the tooth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656352)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:11 PM
Author: aqua dysfunction

every | single | time

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Date: May 12th, 2024 1:10 PM
Author: Slate 180 brunch associate

So we embarked on a new era — no longer Papa and Daddy but now Mommy and Daddy. At first, I thought it might turn out to be a quickly forgotten phase, but our daughter — in a way that was entirely in keeping with her personality and that I had to admit I truly admired — made it clear she was digging in: Any time I slipped up and referred to him as Papa, she swiftly corrected me.

Pretty soon, she began to police my husband’s pronouns as well. Initially, I had tried to pair his new Mommy title with the male pronouns that he uses — a small concession to reality, I guess — but it wasn’t long before our daughter began to insist that he be referred to as she and her. She had always evinced traits of a future copy editor — from an early age, if we missed or mangled a word in a story she had memorized, she was quick to let us know — and now she directed the full force of her editorial judgment at any deviations from the gender identity she had chosen for her mom-father. “She!” she would gruffly instruct me, as I unthinkingly mis-mis-gendered the man I had been married to for 10 years. “Why do you say ‘he’?”

To hammer home the point, she began every so often calling him “she-mother,” a title my husband delighted in. Occasionally, she would generously say that I, too, could be a “she-mother,” and she would have two moms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47655715)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 8:45 PM
Author: fishy cracking locale

"initially, I had tried to pair his new Mommy title with the male pronouns that he uses — a small concession to reality, I guess"

bigot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656721)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 4:12 PM
Author: Lemon Sweet Tailpipe

Profoundly sad how society has failed that little girl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656205)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:00 PM
Author: beady-eyed bawdyhouse



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:56 PM
Author: Fragrant Athletic Conference Parlor



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:38 PM
Author: Racy deranged ladyboy

So if the husband had decided on his own to use she/her pronouns, that would be "reality," but it's make-believe if the kid decides.

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"Pretty soon, she began to police my husband’s pronouns as well. Initially, I had tried to pair his new Mommy title with the male pronouns that he uses — a small concession to reality, I guess — but it wasn’t long before our daughter began to insist that he be referred to as she and her."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656394)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:47 PM
Author: Jade vivacious therapy selfie

also lol @ getting dadded around by a 3.5 yo girl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656410)



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Date: May 12th, 2024 5:51 PM
Author: big degenerate



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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:13 PM
Author: Purple french chef mood

And then one day, for no reason at all...

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Date: May 12th, 2024 9:24 PM
Author: Spectacular Lettuce

I'm straight as fuck and went to my youngest's preschool Mother's Day presentation to receive my comatose wife's gift that my youngest had made. We all had a good time talking about how I was the ugliest mommy there before I took two of the moms there home for a threesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5527762&forum_id=2Reputation#47656789)