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Why is Ukraine begging for a ceasefire?
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:03 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066695) |
Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:44 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv Dear Ukraine, America is abandoning your struggle for freedom. Whatever Trump says in public to give you any hope for assistance, follow his actions which are utterly transparent- today's canceling of crucial weapons previously committed. Trump and Putin have an understanding, which does not include the security of Ukraine. The world is being divided up by the powerful dictators. Plan accordingly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066789) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:46 PM Author: mountain cat Cr. Every action taken by this administration has been to abandon Ukraine and assist Russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066792) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:47 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv Ukraine needs to stop acting surprised, or to be seeking clarification-- wake up, Ukraine.
this the reality: By Jake Sullivan, NYT today
On Tuesday, the White House confirmed that it has halted critical weapons deliveries to Ukraine, even though Ukraine remains under relentless Russian attack. This will only embolden Russia to continue its war, and make a just peace less likely.
For months, President Trump has played a cynical game. In front of the press, he threatens to impose new sanctions on the Russian economy. In private, he never follows through. He publicly suggests he might increase support for Ukraine; in fact, only last week, Mr. Trump said he would “see if we can make” additional air defense missiles available for the Ukrainian military. But behind the scenes he is halting supplies that were already committed to Ukraine.
All of this suggests that Mr. Trump is not willing to pressure Russia to end this war. Instead, he is folding and abandoning Ukraine.
The United States provides Ukraine with military aid through two main sources. Presidential drawdown packages are taken from U.S. military stockpiles, which are replenished with newer kits, a process that ultimately helps modernize the military. And the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative provides funds to procure materiel directly from U.S. defense manufacturers.
In his final months in office, President Joe Biden authorized an additional $1.25 billion drawdown package and instructed the Pentagon to place all remaining U.S.A.I. dollars on contract. He also imposed new sanctions on the Russian oil sector and worked with the Group of 7 to secure a loan of $50 billion for Ukraine from the proceeds of Russian sovereign assets.
This summer, the drawdown deliveries that Mr. Biden authorized will run out. Mr. Trump has not announced any additional support packages, and now the Trump administration has paused outstanding security assistance deliveries to Ukraine, which were slated to provide the Ukrainian military with air defense missiles, rockets, artillery and other vital support well into next year.
The White House suggests it is doing this because of concerns about U.S. military readiness. That explanation doesn’t stand up to scrutiny: U.S.A.I. deliveries — the main target of the pause — are sourced from procurement contracts, not from the Pentagon’s stockpiles, and are distinct from orders for the U.S. military. In this way, U.S.A.I. shipments are not unlike U.S. defense exports to any other country in the world. As for the limited remaining drawdown shipments, the Department of Defense has been using congressional funding to replace what it sends with newer munitions, which actually strengthens the U.S. military.
The administration may not want to say it, but the reality appears to be that the president is winding down U.S. security assistance to Ukraine.
If that holds, it makes no strategic sense. Mr. Trump says he wants to facilitate a cease-fire. So far, President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has agreed to this proposal, but President Vladimir Putin of Russia has refused. Why? Because Mr. Putin believes that time is on his side. He sees that American support for Ukraine is declining, so he expects his battlefield position to improve the longer the war goes on.
The Russian government knows that Ukraine is dependent upon the United States for air defense missiles and other critical capabilities. That’s why the Russian military has launched waves of missiles and drones at Ukrainian cities in recent weeks. Mr. Putin does not just want to wear down Ukrainian stockpiles; he also wants to test America’s response.
To shift Mr. Putin’s calculus and achieve a sustained cease-fire, the United States should be applying more pressure on Russia, not less. We should be providing more support to Ukraine, not less.
The tragedy of Mr. Trump’s approach is that it is still possible for Ukraine to achieve a just end to this war — with our help. The Ukrainian military is a fierce fighting force that has imposed extraordinary costs on the Russian side. The Ukrainian defense industrial base is producing hundreds of thousands of lethal drones every month. The Russian economy is under pressure at a time when oil prices are declining. If the United States were to surge military aid to Ukraine and tighten sanctions on Russia, Ukraine’s position at the bargaining table would be considerably stronger.
If Mr. Trump seeks to end this war on any terms — even by the subjugation of Ukraine — then he should continue his current policy of getting slow-walked in peace talks by Mr. Putin while curtailing aid to Kyiv. If he wants a different and better outcome, as he should, he has to adjust course through three important steps.
First, Ukraine will continue to need arms that only we produce, such as air defense and HIMARS rockets. The administration should release all outstanding drawdown and U.S.A.I. deliveries for Ukraine, which Ukraine needs to defend itself.
If Mr. Trump is unwilling to go further and authorize additional drawdown packages for Ukraine, the White House should embrace proposals to permit European allies to purchase critical capabilities for Ukraine from the Department of Defense. This approach would generate revenue for the United States while ensuring continued weapons flows to Kyiv.
As a starting point, European leaders could work with the White House to buy Patriot missiles and other air defense interceptors for Ukraine as they are produced. If this works, European and U.S. officials could broaden the arrangement to cover a wider range of U.S. defense equipment, which would signal to Mr. Putin that external security assistance to Ukraine will not simply dry up with time.
Second, the United States should request that the European Union seize the approximately $300 billion in immobilized Russian sovereign assets that are held in Europe. By taking this step, European leaders could obtain a sustainable source of assistance for Ukraine — which could be used to procure weapons from the United States and elsewhere — finance Ukraine’s defense industrial base and maintain the country’s economic stability.
Third, Mr. Trump should follow through on his threats to intensify sanctions against the Russian energy sector, which would build on the sanctions announced last year and further pressure Mr. Putin to engage in meaningful negotiations. Given the state of the oil market, this option is more powerful now than it was at earlier points in the war.
By taking these steps, the United States could strengthen Ukraine’s position and weaken Russia’s without burdening U.S. taxpayers. Ukraine would continue to receive U.S. weapons and would have the long-term backing of $300 billion in support, and the Russian economy would be under increased pressure.
Mr. Trump has tried to frame the debate over the Russia-Ukraine war as a choice between peace and endless fighting. But the real choice is between a true peace reached by supporting Ukraine in effective negotiations and a false peace reached by implicitly surrendering to Mr. Putin.
Despite everything, the path to a true peace is still open. Mr. Trump should take it.
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:54 PM Author: mountain cat Cr. Zelensky has no choice but to appease Trump. It doesn't help to have a public feud with him.
It also doesn't help to cry about it and embrace victimhood when the only thing that will win is strength. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 3:56 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv peace mediation now-- or there will be no hope for Ukraine -- Trump and Putin are like 2 peas in a pod, their compact is unshakeable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066806) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:03 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe Ukr has taken negotiations seriously and offered real concessions. Russia has not and seems happy to keep the war machine going no matter where it takes them. Thankfully Europe is stepping up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066831) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:07 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv diplomacy matters and peace requires painful concessions-- Ukraine has to make it happen with the help of USA and Europe, but Zelensky is playing his last hand at the table (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066842) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:12 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe A deal can be made only if the US puts pressure on Russia. But when Russia defies Trump and the US, Trump gives the "in two weeks we might consider sanctions" and does nothing. If Russia believes the US will stay out of it, then they'll gamble that Euro support won't last long enough. The entire US strategy is tanking any hope of a diplomatic resolution in the near term.
Trump and Vance can't announce that they're pro-Russia because it's an incredibly unpopular position. So they play this song and dance. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:14 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv relationships can change the world and the Trump/Putin/Xi triumvirate will rule the future, giving new meaning to axis of power (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066868) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:26 PM Author: mountain cat Peace through weakness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066902) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:25 PM Author: mountain cat What concessions can Ukraine reasonably make at this point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066900) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:27 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv Putin has made clear that certain territorial regions are nonnegotiable- he should get most, but not all to secure a lasting peace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066907) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:34 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Wait, but I thought Ukraine was winning this war?! That's what the MSM + a bunch of REALLY smart Jewish XO Pumos have been smugly assuring me for years now!
So why the fuck would a country that is winning a war *which is being waged over whether it will get to continue to exist as a sovereign country* even consider "offering real concessions" to its hated invading enemy? Just fight those evil bastards back to the old border and kick them back out! Slava! Right?
I'm so confused!!!
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:20 PM Author: Trump Tariffs Can Do No Wrong (TDNW) Z needs to dump Yermak asap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067001) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:24 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. And replace him with who? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067460) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:46 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
Oh, wow -- well I mean, if President Biden's former Security Advisor says so...
lmao |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:01 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe It's absolutely appalling and has no basis in any sound foreign policy strategy. It's all just because ukraine support became "lib-coded" in online discourse and trump/vance and company have to vehemently oppose. Rapprochement with Russia? The country deeply resents and distrusts the US. You're never going to be closer to them or use them as a wedge against China.
And then they happily bomb Iran and the houthis and pour weapons in Israel, a country with more than enough military might to defend itself. Absolutely disgusting. Why do pickup-truck Americans love Israel so much? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:32 PM Author: .,.,.....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,.., why would any normal American give two fucks about "Ukraine" at all? It's more like everyone is werided out that "Americans" like you have really strong opinions on some second world soviet shithole and are irritated that it has gone on for so long and we keep pissing away billions into it for seemingly no reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066918) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:39 PM Author: Bobby Birdshit Faggot libs should stop poisoning causes IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066933) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:41 PM Author: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ lol at this fainting couch bs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066936) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:09 PM Author: mountain cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066973) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:18 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv there is a fundamental contradiction between supporting Israel (going all-in as Trump is willing to commit the US) and failing support of our allies like Ukraine who actually fight for their freedom--- eventually, Taiwan will be made expendable; so any remaining allies of America beware, and I'm talking to you Europe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066998) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:22 PM Author: .,.,.....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,.., how is Ukraine our ally? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067003) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:27 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv they stand for democracy, self sovereignty, and human rights in the face of naked aggression from a totalitarian czarist regime-- the same as Poland in WWII to Great Britain or Israel to the USA today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067009) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 6:02 PM Author: peeface they stand for democracy? they must have a lot of elections then
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 6:39 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv stated otherwise: why does Donald Trump align himself so staunchly with the most adversarial and threatening nation to democratic peace and prosperity of the West since 1945? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067185) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:10 PM Author: peeface you keep using the word democracy to describe a man who refuses to face an election in violation of his country's constitution
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:26 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv which part of- state of war under military invasion by foreign military superpower do u wish to deny deny deny, before making an argument for a free and democratic election in Ukraine under a stable government right now?
now answer the question: why is Donald Trump a witting accomplice to Vladimir Putin's acts of aggression and oppression against a peaceful and weaker neighbor? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:30 PM Author: peeface the only one who seems to be "denying" anything is the guy trying to pretend that Ukraine isn't being ruled by an unelected dictator, sending people to die without legal authority and likely against the will of the people in that country
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:32 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv a country facing an existential threat by a murderous tyrant with superpower military status creates an extenuating circumstance to a nominal election count;
now do Trump-- why is he Putin's bitch? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:34 PM Author: peeface weird but the people who make the laws in Ukraine disagree with you!
have you been to the country since this war began? they can get cheeseburgers and bottles of beer to the bars in Odessa, odd they can't put the same effort into distributing ballots.
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:35 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv Trump and Putin, birds of a feather stick together-- no denying that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067501) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:36 PM Author: peeface if there was a club of elected heads of state, they would both be let in the door unlike the guy from Ukraine
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:41 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv Heads of State: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Putin, Trump-- yup, they are a club deserving of respect and honor, all democratically elected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067521) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:45 PM Author: peeface i'm not sure you know what a Head of State is
also not enough of an expert on Soviet government to determine whether Stalin can be considered popularly elected, so I'll take your word for it that even he has more democratic legitimacy than Zelensky
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:48 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv no country in Western Europe (all legitimate democracies) supports Russia while unconditionally supporting Ukraine- get educated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067546) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:49 PM Author: peeface *throws more random nonsense at his keyboard*
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:50 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv I was mocking democratic legitimacy and Head of State Putin in the same sentence, u tard
answer the question: Trump is Putin's whore, why? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:51 PM Author: peeface the premise of your question is real retarded, sir
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:53 PM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv democratic legitimacy for Russia, Trump, and Putin is specious but u r too stupid to know the facts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067570) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 8:57 PM Author: peeface is there a formal label for this shareblue qanon stuff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067593) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 5:29 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded) To be fair,
1. LOL u mad
2. Fuck Israel, to be clear.
3. See #1, supra.
XOXO, HTH! |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 6:33 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067175) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 6:33 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. "The country deeply resents and distrusts the US."
Yes, because people like you want to see them destroyed and because prior administrations have worked to make that happen. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:15 PM Author: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ The “Ukraine war” is still a thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066872) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 4:28 PM Author: Lawrence, of Arabia (blowing myself to kingdom cum - بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ) lol xoxol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49066911) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 10:35 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5745376&forum_id=2Reputation#49067824) |