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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Medicated police squad
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
bateful spot dysfunction
  06/15/18
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Appetizing business firm
  06/15/18
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Appetizing business firm
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Salmon Dragon Address
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Curious Hissy Fit Organic Girlfriend
  10/06/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business
  06/15/18
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Appetizing business firm
  06/15/18
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electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Bull headed dead dog poop mediation
  06/15/18
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Lascivious becky
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Appetizing business firm
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
cobalt private investor
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Jet twinkling uncleanness
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
hideous center
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Salmon Dragon Address
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business
  06/15/18
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Lascivious becky
  06/15/18
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electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
At-the-ready 180 Office
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Appetizing business firm
  06/15/18
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bateful spot dysfunction
  06/15/18
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electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
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hideous center
  06/15/18
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filthy trip faggotry
  06/15/18
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electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
  02/15/21
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filthy trip faggotry
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  10/06/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
pungent legal warrant
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Primrose boyish theater stage corn cake
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Primrose boyish theater stage corn cake
  06/15/18
Explain
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/15/18
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/16/18
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  09/04/18
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filthy trip faggotry
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Soggy base wagecucks
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Comical stag film mad-dog skullcap
  06/15/18
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/12/21
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Odious Internal Respiration Yarmulke
  02/12/21
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electric trailer park sweet tailpipe
  02/15/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
buff irradiated blood rage
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
frum bright electric furnace
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
excitant clear patrolman
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
excitant clear patrolman
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage
  02/12/21
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Odious Internal Respiration Yarmulke
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
buff irradiated blood rage
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Provocative Submissive Headpube Clown
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Provocative Submissive Headpube Clown
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
frum bright electric furnace
  02/12/21
lol no
Khaki pocket flask water buffalo
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Carnelian Big Ceo Home
  02/15/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  06/29/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  10/06/21
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Lilac psychic mental disorder
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
very tactful floppy juggernaut lettuce
  10/06/21
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cerebral fuchsia shrine
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Medicated police squad

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: bateful spot dysfunction

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Appetizing business firm



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Appetizing business firm



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Salmon Dragon Address

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Curious Hissy Fit Organic Girlfriend

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Appetizing business firm



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Bull headed dead dog poop mediation

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Lascivious becky



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Appetizing business firm

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: cobalt private investor

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Jet twinkling uncleanness

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: hideous center

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Salmon Dragon Address

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Ivory Resort Place Of Business

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Lascivious becky



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: At-the-ready 180 Office

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Appetizing business firm



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: bateful spot dysfunction



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: hideous center



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: filthy trip faggotry



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: filthy trip faggotry



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: pungent legal warrant

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Primrose boyish theater stage corn cake

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Primrose boyish theater stage corn cake

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: filthy trip faggotry



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Soggy base wagecucks

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Comical stag film mad-dog skullcap

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Odious Internal Respiration Yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: electric trailer park sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: buff irradiated blood rage

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: frum bright electric furnace

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: excitant clear patrolman

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: excitant clear patrolman

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Odious Internal Respiration Yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: buff irradiated blood rage

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Provocative Submissive Headpube Clown

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Poppy learning disabled old irish cottage

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Provocative Submissive Headpube Clown

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: frum bright electric furnace

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Khaki pocket flask water buffalo

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Carnelian Big Ceo Home

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Lilac psychic mental disorder



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: very tactful floppy juggernaut lettuce

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: cerebral fuchsia shrine



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