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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Irradiated Center Prole
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
insanely creepy onyx mad cow disease
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Pontificating mind-boggling hospital
  06/15/18
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Cordovan Codepig
  06/15/18
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Cordovan Codepig
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
abnormal burgundy spot puppy
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
White violent cuckold ticket booth
  10/06/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  02/12/22
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Irradiated Center Prole
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
puce talented forum
  06/15/18
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Cordovan Codepig
  06/15/18
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Internet-worthy garrison
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
puce talented forum
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Emerald cracking address mexican
  06/15/18
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Beady-eyed Roast Beef Toaster
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Cordovan Codepig
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
charismatic chartreuse point
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
big useless brakes
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Bearded mediation
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
abnormal burgundy spot puppy
  06/15/18
sounds 180
puce talented forum
  06/15/18
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Beady-eyed Roast Beef Toaster
  06/15/18
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Internet-worthy garrison
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
razzle-dazzle market yarmulke
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Cordovan Codepig
  06/15/18
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Pontificating mind-boggling hospital
  06/15/18
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Internet-worthy garrison
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Internet-worthy garrison
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Bearded mediation
  06/15/18
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Flushed Party Of The First Part
  06/15/18
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Internet-worthy garrison
  02/15/21
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Flushed Party Of The First Part
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Irradiated Center Prole
  10/06/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  01/18/25
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Bateful site
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
cerebral heaven psychic
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Irradiated Center Prole
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
aggressive curious quadroon
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Irradiated Center Prole
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
aggressive curious quadroon
  06/15/18
Explain
Irradiated Center Prole
  06/15/18
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Irradiated Center Prole
  06/16/18
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Irradiated Center Prole
  09/04/18
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Flushed Party Of The First Part
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
drunken kitchen
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Dark effete institution dingle berry
  06/15/18
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Irradiated Center Prole
  02/12/21
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Spectacular Out-of-control Den Ceo
  02/12/21
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Internet-worthy garrison
  02/15/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Brindle water buffalo
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Electric Weed Whacker International Law Enforcement Agency
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Irradiated Center Prole
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Nubile mad-dog skullcap laser beams
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Irradiated Center Prole
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Nubile mad-dog skullcap laser beams
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Irradiated Center Prole
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
narrow-minded shrine
  02/12/21
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Spectacular Out-of-control Den Ceo
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Brindle water buffalo
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
narrow-minded shrine
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Sickened amethyst persian
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
narrow-minded shrine
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Sickened amethyst persian
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Electric Weed Whacker International Law Enforcement Agency
  02/12/21
lol no
insecure pit
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
excitant background story boltzmann
  02/15/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  06/29/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  10/06/21
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Charcoal Orchestra Pit
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
floppy trailer park
  10/06/21
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Irradiated Center Prole
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: insanely creepy onyx mad cow disease

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Pontificating mind-boggling hospital

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Cordovan Codepig



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Cordovan Codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: abnormal burgundy spot puppy

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: White violent cuckold ticket booth

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: puce talented forum

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Cordovan Codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: puce talented forum

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Emerald cracking address mexican

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Roast Beef Toaster



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Cordovan Codepig

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: charismatic chartreuse point

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: big useless brakes

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Bearded mediation

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: abnormal burgundy spot puppy

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: puce talented forum

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Roast Beef Toaster



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle market yarmulke

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Cordovan Codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Pontificating mind-boggling hospital



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Bearded mediation



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Flushed Party Of The First Part



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Flushed Party Of The First Part



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: Bateful site



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: cerebral heaven psychic

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: aggressive curious quadroon

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: aggressive curious quadroon

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Flushed Party Of The First Part



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: drunken kitchen

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Dark effete institution dingle berry

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Spectacular Out-of-control Den Ceo



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Internet-worthy garrison



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Brindle water buffalo

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Electric Weed Whacker International Law Enforcement Agency

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Nubile mad-dog skullcap laser beams

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Nubile mad-dog skullcap laser beams

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: narrow-minded shrine

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Spectacular Out-of-control Den Ceo



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Brindle water buffalo

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: narrow-minded shrine

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Sickened amethyst persian

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: narrow-minded shrine

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Sickened amethyst persian

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Electric Weed Whacker International Law Enforcement Agency

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: insecure pit

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: excitant background story boltzmann

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Charcoal Orchestra Pit



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: floppy trailer park

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Irradiated Center Prole



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