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explain quantum gravity

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azure stead
  04/22/26
Jewish Physics
primrose station
  04/22/26
Heisenberg got labeled a "white jew" for teaching ...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
find the electric field at all points in space
lilac chapel
  04/22/26
Pretty sure that quantizing gravity is exactly what's stumpe...
Titillating striped hyena
  04/22/26
Nothing to quantize
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/22/26
No such thing
costumed kitchen trump supporter
  04/22/26
Regime in which graph topology becomes dynamical on the same...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/22/26
yes but, can we control it?
Narrow-minded Adventurous Lodge Love Of Her Life
  04/22/26
We'll discover that gravity is analagous to LOD (level of de...
Titillating striped hyena
  04/23/26
you're referring to planck's constant, which was the theoret...
azure stead
  04/23/26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHpsRNEJ7ZU gravity “...
lilac chapel
  04/23/26
I like the duality concept here: Every particle has a "...
azure stead
  04/23/26
idk I think holography has resulted in some interesting rese...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/25/26
holography is wild. I got *really* into it as a kid and have...
azure stead
  04/25/26
yeah it is. holography here isn't literally the same as the ...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/25/26
yeah, I knew the sense you were referring to but because it ...
azure stead
  04/27/26
To me one of the biggest puzzles is how the hell "geome...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
I apologize for missing this poast. My dad died the day afte...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/26/26
Yeah I think it not pointing to an underlying ontology is my...
The Penis
  06/26/26
I think that's a fair criticism, and it gets at the distinct...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/26/26
Yeah idk. I mean it doesn't even need to be made of "ti...
The Penis
  06/26/26
really small gravity
appetizing indian lodge
  04/23/26
its when you divide gravity by zero
Narrow-minded Adventurous Lodge Love Of Her Life
  04/24/26
that's actually not a terrible idea
azure stead
  04/26/26
I’m a Penrose fanboy so don’t think it exists or...
Excitant carnelian range
  04/26/26
I also think AI will solve most of physics for us in the nex...
Excitant carnelian range
  04/26/26
Holy crap, another Penrose fan here. If you have his two...
180 Dog Poop Whorehouse
  04/26/26
Yeah this is what I was thinking too. I also like Penrose. M...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
Penrose is GOAT POTUS of physics. Seemingly the only guy who...
diverse antidepressant drug
  04/27/26
Yeah Penrose's early work with Hawking is unimpeachable so t...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
Thank you for your contributions ITT, The Penis.
diverse antidepressant drug
  04/27/26
Penrose is a math professor first and foremost and physics i...
Excitant carnelian range
  04/27/26
Yeah physicists don't like that, because it looks indistingu...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
We need to figure out what the luminiferous ether is better ...
thirsty multi-billionaire
  04/27/26
its when a jew makes shit up
lascivious twinkling uncleanness
  04/27/26


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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:38 PM
Author: azure stead



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:40 PM
Author: primrose station

Jewish Physics

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Date: April 27th, 2026 6:32 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Heisenberg got labeled a "white jew" for teaching and studying Jewish Physics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49847522)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:44 PM
Author: lilac chapel

find the electric field at all points in space

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835114)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: Titillating striped hyena

Pretty sure that quantizing gravity is exactly what's stumped physicists for decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835117)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:47 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Nothing to quantize

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835125)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: costumed kitchen trump supporter

No such thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835122)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Regime in which graph topology becomes dynamical on the same timescale as phase evolution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835123)



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Date: April 22nd, 2026 6:12 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Adventurous Lodge Love Of Her Life

yes but, can we control it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49835227)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 10:00 AM
Author: Titillating striped hyena

We'll discover that gravity is analagous to LOD (level of detail) in video games, where assets look and behave differently at different scales. As we find ways to expand our field and scale of view, we'll discover other LOD related artifacts of extremely large and extremely small varieties

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49836669)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 12:14 PM
Author: azure stead

you're referring to planck's constant, which was the theoretical "minimum" for the size of energy quanta until the Higgs boson was discovered in 2012. Previously, planck's constant was thought to be the "resolution" at which we observe the universe, which is analogous to LOD in video games. But now, whether something smaller than the Higgs boson exists remains an open (and fundamental) physics question. We don't know if things just keep getting smaller and smaller almost recursively (and infinitely) or if there is something even smaller that constitutes the fundamental building block of our universe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49836943)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 12:42 PM
Author: lilac chapel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHpsRNEJ7ZU

gravity “knows about” and encodes its own quantum states -> this meets the page curve and solves the black hole information paradox

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49837017)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: azure stead

I like the duality concept here: Every particle has a "dual" -- that's what the higgs boson discovery suggested. There's some anti-gravity "dual" that we have yet to discover but probably comes into play. That's the extent of my knowledge on this topic, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49837110)



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Date: April 25th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

idk I think holography has resulted in some interesting research programs, I like the ones that try to reconstruct spacetime itself from "entanglement networks" and think thats a good move, but I'm not sure it will be enough.

When I look at Gravity the two things that stand out to me are the cosmological constant and the metric tensor. The cosmological constant is suspect because it was hand inserted then later removed then put back in again and it can be put on either the geometric side or mass-energy side of the equation. The thing thats interests me about the metric tensor is that it seems to be doing too much and assuming that "geometry" is the fundamental ontology and not just an effective representation. One thing especially suspect with the metric tensor is minimal coupling. It is hand inserted. It says matter fields couple to gravity only through the metric, no direct curvature coupling which is elegant but not derived. It is possible that the metric really is fundamental and gravity really is geomoetry. Or it's just a coincidence at the scale we can measure. I have more to say about this but don't feel like writing it all. A lot of it basically comes down to that there are a lot of points where geometry/smooth continuous manifolds describing "warped" space and time are suspect as fundamental vs. effective representation but basically at every leakage point we aren't quite there in terms of having the instruments to detect deviations that would prove it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49842746)



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Date: April 25th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: azure stead

holography is wild. I got *really* into it as a kid and have a 60 mW HeNe laser at my parents' house that I used to create holograms in one of our bathrooms. I converted it to a dark room, built a holography table (with really expensive optical mirrors and beam splitters). It's an insane field.

I even e-mailed Stephen Benton (RIP) at the MIT Media Lab when I was 15. He e-mailed me back and gave me some pointers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49843053)



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Date: April 25th, 2026 10:13 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

yeah it is. holography here isn't literally the same as the kind in optics that you are talking about, but oddly its not just a metaphor either. the mathematical mapping regarding the "duality" that the other poaster mentioned is basically strcuturaly isopmorphic with holograms that someone like stephen benton uses operating through electromagnetic fields, and the duality found in theoretical models like ads/cft operating through quantum entanglement. which is pretty insane when you think about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49843353)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:13 PM
Author: azure stead

yeah, I knew the sense you were referring to but because it really is analogous, I thought to mention that anecdote. All of this shit is really crazy and I wish I knew more about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49846639)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

To me one of the biggest puzzles is how the hell "geometry" of "spacetime" and "gravitational waves" remain invariant regardless of the density of the medium. Like the intergalactic medium is so diffuse it fails to behave like a fluid at all, but we know from qft there is no true vacuum. But why do "gravitational waves" still propagate the same in that vs through the Earth's atmosphere? What is this "background"? It feels like holography is still just pushing the problem back. We went from "ether" to "spacetime" to "bulk" but it still doesn't seem satisfying even if holography fully gets figured out. It doesn't explain what the boundary or bulk are made of or what type of substrate supports them. The related entanglement picture has the same problem. Spacetime geometry emerges from entanglement. Okay. Entanglement between what? Sitting in what? I think the final version of quantum gravity should have to solve the background independence problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49846675)



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Date: June 26th, 2026 1:02 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡±)

I apologize for missing this poast. My dad died the day after you wrote it.

A few points are worth separating.

First, gravitational waves are fundamentally different from sound or electromagnetic waves in a material medium. In General Relativity, a gravitational wave is an oscillation of the spacetime metric itself. There is no underlying "stuff" whose density determines the propagation speed. The wave is a solution to Einstein's field equations, and in vacuum it propagates at the speed of light.

That naturally leads to your question: if there is no true vacuum in Quantum Field Theory, why doesn't the quantum vacuum behave like a medium?

The answer is subtle. The quantum vacuum is not "empty," but neither is it a classical medium like air or water. It is the lowest-energy state of quantum fields. It has vacuum fluctuations and can have measurable effects (for example, the Casimir effect), but it does not define a preferred rest frame. That Lorentz invariance is precisely what distinguishes it from the old luminiferous ether.

You can think of it this way: (i) Air has a velocity; (ii) Water has a velocity; (iii) The quantum vacuum has no velocity.

Every inertial observer describes themselves as being at rest relative to the vacuum, which is impossible for an ordinary material medium.

That removes the observational problems of the ether, but as you point out, it doesn't necessarily satisfy the philosophical desire for an underlying ontology.

Your criticism of holography is also one many physicists acknowledge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49963568)



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Date: June 26th, 2026 1:16 AM
Author: The Penis

Yeah I think it not pointing to an underlying ontology is my biggest issue. When you say that gravitational waves "move through the metric itself" that phrase is more pionting to what the variable is in GR, not what it is "made of". So saying "the wave is a perturbation of the metric" is kind of like saying "an electromagnetic wave is a perturbation of the electromagnetic field", which never actually explains why that field exists or what it is at the micro-level.

I think a successful quantum gravity theory shouldn't merely say "geometry emerges from entanglement" or "holography", unless it can specify which degrees of freedom the entanglement are between, and why the resulting structure should have that specific Lorrentzian signature, rather than some other geometry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49963583)



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Date: June 26th, 2026 1:33 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡±)

I think that's a fair criticism, and it gets at the distinction between a mathematical model and an ontology.

General relativity is an extraordinarily successful model. It tells you that the dynamical variable is the metric tensor g_{\mu\nu}, and that gravitational waves are propagating perturbations of that metric. But the theory is deliberately silent on what the metric is. Einstein himself was fairly pragmatic about this: He largely abandoned attempts to assign a mechanical substrate to spacetime after the failure of the classical ether concept.

Your electromagnetic analogy is exactly right. Maxwell's equations describe an electromagnetic field F_{\mu\nu} (aka the Faraday tensor). Quantum electrodynamics says the field is quantized, and photons are its excitations. But if you ask what the electromagnetic field is actually made of, you will be disappointed: QED has no answer (the field is simply taken as fundamental) and GR is in the same position.

Your point is that a quantum gravity theory should do more than replace one primitive with another. My concern is ultimately ontological, not mathematical. General relativity tells us that gravitational waves are perturbations of the spacetime metric, just as electromagnetism describes waves in the electromagnetic field, but neither theory explains what the metric or the field actually are. Similarly, statements like "spacetime emerges from entanglement" or "the bulk is encoded on the boundary" seem to relocate the mystery rather than resolve it. A satisfactory theory of quantum gravity should identify the underlying degrees of freedom, explain why they exist, and show why they necessarily give rise to Lorentzian spacetime and the laws of physics we observe, rather than treating those structures as new unexplained primitives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49963601)



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Date: June 26th, 2026 8:29 AM
Author: The Penis

Yeah idk. I mean it doesn't even need to be made of "tiny stuff", like particles or anything like that. We tend to call something physical only after it already appears as mass, field, energy etc. But these things could still presuppose deeper conditions about what can count as a state or event or what transitions are composable and which modal histories can even be coherently glued together. The resulting large-scale theory would look geometric, but is really closer to something like coherent causal ordering. That's just an example, because idk how you actually get something like that to be "observable" and not just suggestive metaphysics. Obviously whatever gets used as the primitives needs to pass through some sort of model that produces measurable probability distributions or something of that nature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49963696)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: appetizing indian lodge

really small gravity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49837111)



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Date: April 24th, 2026 12:12 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Adventurous Lodge Love Of Her Life

its when you divide gravity by zero

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49839797)



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Date: April 26th, 2026 3:44 PM
Author: azure stead

that's actually not a terrible idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49844575)



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Date: April 26th, 2026 4:02 PM
Author: Excitant carnelian range

I’m a Penrose fanboy so don’t think it exists or that any of the faggots working on loop quantum gravity based on a flawed understanding of the very twisters that Penrose invented are doing anything productive. I think it’s increasingly likely that that physicists have spent the last 60 years going down a series of mathematical rabbit holes and that reality is not all that complicated. I do find it hilarious that giants like Turok won’t even touch this subject out of fear of career suicide and he’s an old who shouldn’t even be afraid but clearly is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49844604)



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Date: April 26th, 2026 4:04 PM
Author: Excitant carnelian range

I also think AI will solve most of physics for us in the next 5 years. It’s already doing insane shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49844606)



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Date: April 26th, 2026 5:54 PM
Author: 180 Dog Poop Whorehouse

Holy crap, another Penrose fan here.

If you have his two-volume work on twistors, I'm surprised you'd say something like "reality is not all that complicated." The issue is that reality is different at that scale than that in which we live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49844875)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:31 AM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Yeah this is what I was thinking too. I also like Penrose. Mostly because he's not a fucking pussy and will go deep into the philosophical issues unlike most fags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49845870)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:12 PM
Author: diverse antidepressant drug

Penrose is GOAT POTUS of physics. Seemingly the only guy who has the guts to explore interesting ideas and isn't afraid of being wrong or not knowing. Compare him to a fraud like Lawrence "The Pervert" Krauss who makes claims like "the universe comes from nothing" and then defines nothing as not actually being "nothing."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49846935)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Yeah Penrose's early work with Hawking is unimpeachable so that pretty much makes it so he's allowed to be heterodox and call string theory a fashion and quantum mechanics "faith" and state that the foundations are wrong. Shit like that. But there should be more guys like this. Feynmann was like this too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49846979)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 4:11 PM
Author: diverse antidepressant drug

Thank you for your contributions ITT, The Penis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49847248)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 5:16 PM
Author: Excitant carnelian range

Penrose is a math professor first and foremost and physics is like his hobby. Twistors are a mathematical masturbation of sorts but his CCC cosmology and Turok’s CPT symetry are as simple as cosmologies gets (no 26 or 200 dimensions for starters and no gravitons or anything beyond the Higgs and it isn’t even clear if they view the Higgs as fundamental or not…. It’s actually simple enough for lay people to follow even if they don’t at all understand the math unlike string theory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49847371)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 6:21 PM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

Yeah physicists don't like that, because it looks indistinguishable from mathematics that happens to use physical vocabulary. But sometimes stuff like that is physics operating at a depth that won't be testable until the instrumentation catches up. Penrose's twistor theory and Witten's M theory could turn out to have legit parts to them. Riemann was doing pure maths that was motivated as such I mean not physically motivated at all, and ended up creating the exact language GR needed for gravity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49847506)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:32 AM
Author: thirsty multi-billionaire

We need to figure out what the luminiferous ether is better without handwaving about "geometrY"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49845871)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:35 PM
Author: lascivious twinkling uncleanness

its when a jew makes shit up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859514&forum_id=2Reputation#49846678)