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i think computers have made reality impossible to inhabit
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 2:48 PM Author: whyisthatthere i am not elaborating at this time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955656) |
Date: June 22nd, 2026 2:51 PM Author: Consuela Oh well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955664) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:01 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer i wrote an essay like 15 years ago about how the real world would increasingly be out-competed by Online matrix worlds as environments for humans to inhabit
i was completely right and i wish i could find that essay again. it's somewhere out there, Online |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:13 PM Author: whyisthatthere that's true but my thesis is deeper and structural. It's not just that Online is better, it's that Online has fundamentally altered our ability to inhabit physical reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955721) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:15 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer how so specifically (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955724) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:16 PM Author: whyisthatthere i am not elaborating at this time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955727) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:17 PM Author: Consuela Baudrillard associates each of those distortions of reality with periods of increasing technical sophistication:
Stage one and two: Associated with the premodern period, it’s representation is an artificial placemarker for the real item. The uniqueness of objects and situations marks them as real and signification gropes towards this reality.
Stage three: Associated with the modernity of the Industrial Revolution where distinctions between representation and reality break down due to the proliferation of mass-reproducible copies of items, turning them into commodities. The commodity's ability to imitate reality threatens to replace the authority of the original version, because the copy is just as "real" as its prototype.
Stage four: Associated with the postmodernity of late capitalism where the simulacrum precedes the original and the distinction between reality and representation vanishes. There is only the simulation, and originality becomes a totally meaningless concept.
(Proposed stage five: The simulation reorders underlying reality to act in accordance with it) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:18 PM Author: whyisthatthere Baudrillard is a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955730) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:19 PM Author: Consuela yeah so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955731) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: product mommy (🧐) 180000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955898) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:40 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer he actually had some decent ideas tbqh imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955900) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:41 PM Author: whyisthatthere dudeweed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955906) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:22 PM Author: gay of hormuz https://sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content/uploads/sites/226/2015/12/Borges-Tl%C3%B6n-Uqbar-Orbius-Tertius.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955734) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:26 PM Author: Consuela ty, so this is where that faggot yarvin came up with "tlon" as his programming language for urbit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955739) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:52 PM Author: ruinous phenotype This op reminded of a different Borges story
On Exactitude in Science Jorge Luis Borges, Collected Fictions, translated by Andrew Hurley. …In that Empire, the Art of Cartography attained such Perfection that the map of a single Province occupied the entirety of a City, and the map of the Empire, the entirety of a Province. In time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire whose size was that of the Empire, and which coincided point for point with it. The following Generations, who were not so fond of the Study of Cartography as their Forebears had been, saw that that vast Map was Useless, and not without some Pitilessness was it, that they delivered it up to the Inclemencies of Sun and Winters. In the Deserts of the West, still today, there are Tattered Ruins of that Map, inhabited by Animals and Beggars; in all the Land there is no other Relic of the Disciplines of Geography. —Suarez Miranda,Viajes devarones prudentes, Libro IV,Cap. XLV, Lerida, 1658 |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:02 PM Author: Richard Ames My own view is that Stage Five is active, but that not everyone operates within it. Feels like an 80/20 rule (or maybe 90/10) where the majority is basically programmed like a wind-up toy by The Internet and a subset still operate in the Real World. As much as technology dominates, there is still a "handshake" element to a lot of business and major deals.
This probably sounds super Boomer, but you may know what I mean. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:27 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer doesn't sound like a very deep and structural thesis
i can think of a bunch of reasons off the top of my head though. but they can all be more or less boiled down to artificial online realities out-competing real-reality (the 'why's' are pretty important though) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:29 PM Author: whyisthatthere There's not a necessary relationship between "outcompeting reality" and "fundamentally altering man's relationship with reality."
My thesis is therefore deeper and more structural than your weak, non-load-bearing one. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:35 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer the latter is a 'why' contributor to the former imho
among other things, The Matrix(es) becoming preferable to irl for humans has been a self-fulfilling prophecy in no small part due to the matrix warping the real world. it's a feedback loop that has been and is continuing to intensify
you can't improve irl in order to try to out-compete the matrix fair and square. irl will just be adjusted accordingly by the matrix in response. the feedback loop has to be destroyed, which means that the matrix itself has to be destroyed |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:57 PM Author: gay of hormuz https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300078152/seeing-like-a-state/
I look forward to your 2028 magnum opus "Seeing Like A Computer" |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer hmmmm. maybe you should. it concerns me that so few others are able or willing to See as The Machine sees
just another abyss that people love to pontificate and joke about but won't actually look into |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:17 PM Author: whyisthatthere Ok thank you for elaborating.
Tankh, |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:15 PM Author: Ape Arrogance living irl sometimes is actually fun and crrrr imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955725) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:18 PM Author: whyisthatthere "see you there" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955729) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:19 PM Author: Ape Arrogance if I inhabited it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955732) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:22 PM Author: whyisthatthere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955735) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:33 PM Author: gay of hormuz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955752) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2026 1:37 AM Author: Bellevue therapy dog tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49957397) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:21 PM Author: Fair pushback This is why I tell my wife when she nags me for my screen time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955845) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:45 PM Author: OYT and the Indie Reprieve ( ) if "reality" didn't suck this would have never happened. that's what all these brands of societal complaints and fist-waving don't want to admit. we got here BECAUSE reality is dreadful and depressing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955918) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:46 PM Author: whyisthatthere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955926) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Seeing Like A Computer he literally just repeated what i already wrote in the thread and you blank bumped him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955936) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM Author: whyisthatthere he's more concise i guess idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955947) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2026 10:59 AM Author: cowgod I think it’s designed to suck for like 90% of people and nobody cares. It’s just a thing that people implicitly want. Like every prole wants their town to win football championships or to at least not be mogged. So they support the Clique System. There’s a lane for Jocks, for Nerds, and so on. Jocks need to get laid in order to make the next generation able to win championships. This is more important than intact families or liberal arts. A Scumjock with multiple baby mamas is doing gods work. The midwestern rust belt towns that have collapsed did so because of an over-reliance on Scumbags. Society learned and adapted. Instead of kids Playing Outside while their dads Forge things out of Iron, they Play Inside or are driven to Practice or extracurricular activities which help them ace OCI. The country became less Scummy. This era was ushered in by grunge and NAFTA. The 32x was catastrophically mistimed bc it debuted after the Scum era had ended.
Before they get distracted by gay/race stuff libs realize this and are like, “uh, guys…” but then they get co-opted. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2026 3:44 PM Author: OYT and the Indie Reprieve ( ) I think it just inherently sucks. Any "design" is not by way of human agency imo. We are just sad little puppets dancing in a ramshackle theater overseen by a Blind Idiot God (see Boomers, now THAT'S poetry) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49958494) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:46 PM Author: Frutiger Aero Thank you, Computer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955930) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM Author: Bellevue therapy dog tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955948) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM Author: whyisthatthere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955950) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:50 PM Author: Fair pushback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955952) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:53 PM Author: Ape Arrogance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49955967) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2026 7:01 PM Author: RUN LIKE HELL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49956444) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2026 1:37 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2betting#49957396) |