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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
autistic gaped death wish
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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self-absorbed walnut filthpig roommate
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Sticky Spot Boistinker
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
purple goyim
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
garnet temple selfie
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Indigo tank preventive strike
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
cerebral depressive rehab
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
cerebral depressive rehab
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
180
cerebral depressive rehab
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
geriatric theater stage alpha
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
geriatric theater stage alpha
  12/18/25
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iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
garnet temple selfie
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
sapphire electric furnace home
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
olive fear-inspiring patrolman
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
vibrant stain gay wizard
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
contagious generalized bond
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
avocado tattoo
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
geriatric theater stage alpha
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
slap-happy institution
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
seedy school cafeteria
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Lascivious space
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
seedy school cafeteria
  12/18/25
lol
Lascivious space
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
vermilion know-it-all box office
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
seedy school cafeteria
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
aqua razzle really tough guy
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
purple goyim
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
aqua razzle really tough guy
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
purple goyim
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
aqua razzle really tough guy
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
purple goyim
  12/21/25
cr
iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Dashing Faggot Firefighter Gaming Laptop
  12/18/25
...
Lascivious space
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
flickering coffee pot pisswyrm
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Lascivious space
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Beady-eyed shivering blood rage immigrant
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
180 twisted theater genital piercing
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Motley ultramarine property hissy fit
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Lascivious space
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Transparent National
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
...
seedy school cafeteria
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
sapphire electric furnace home
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
seedy school cafeteria
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
hateful chest-beating plaza
  12/18/25
...
sapphire electric furnace home
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
vermilion know-it-all box office
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
impressive crystalline jap hunting ground
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Mind-boggling meetinghouse boiling water
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Vengeful boyish hairy legs
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Dashing Faggot Firefighter Gaming Laptop
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Transparent National

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: autistic gaped death wish

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Poppy Stirring Tanning Salon

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: self-absorbed walnut filthpig roommate



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Sticky Spot Boistinker

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: purple goyim

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Fluffy Field Party Of The First Part

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: garnet temple selfie

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Indigo tank preventive strike

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: cerebral depressive rehab

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Transparent National

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: cerebral depressive rehab

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Transparent National

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: cerebral depressive rehab

180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: geriatric theater stage alpha

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap

rocket boys is 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: geriatric theater stage alpha

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: garnet temple selfie

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: sapphire electric furnace home

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Transparent National

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: olive fear-inspiring patrolman

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Transparent National

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: vibrant stain gay wizard

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: contagious generalized bond

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: avocado tattoo

JackTales 🤡😳

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: geriatric theater stage alpha

those are for reading out loud , clown



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: slap-happy institution

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: seedy school cafeteria

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Lascivious space

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: seedy school cafeteria

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Lascivious space

lol

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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: vermilion know-it-all box office

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: seedy school cafeteria

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: aqua razzle really tough guy

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: purple goyim

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: aqua razzle really tough guy

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: purple goyim

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2betting#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: aqua razzle really tough guy

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: purple goyim

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap

cr

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Dashing Faggot Firefighter Gaming Laptop

Anabasis

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Lascivious space



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: flickering coffee pot pisswyrm

Flowers for Algernon

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Lascivious space

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Beady-eyed shivering blood rage immigrant

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: 180 twisted theater genital piercing

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Motley ultramarine property hissy fit

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Lascivious space

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Transparent National

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: iridescent thriller native mad-dog skullcap

zorba the greek



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: seedy school cafeteria



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: sapphire electric furnace home

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: seedy school cafeteria

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: hateful chest-beating plaza

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: sapphire electric furnace home



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: vermilion know-it-all box office

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: impressive crystalline jap hunting ground

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Mind-boggling meetinghouse boiling water



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Vengeful boyish hairy legs

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
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