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West Point seem to be looked better upon than Harvard????
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Date: December 16th, 2004 10:08 PM Author: Transparent razzmatazz karate It appeared that way on the Apprentice! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1803950) |
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Date: December 16th, 2004 10:16 PM Author: onyx tripping voyeur seeing ivy league grads sell lemonade and generally make asses out of themselves cant be good period. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1803991) |
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Date: December 16th, 2004 10:18 PM Author: Awkward casino feces i really wish i didnt open this thread (west coaster) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1803996) |
Date: December 17th, 2004 1:45 PM Author: Razzle Impertinent Abode dude, going to Westpoint is a big deal too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806788) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 1:46 PM Author: indigo exhilarant hunting ground chapel the service academies are supposed to be the most rigorous educations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806796) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 1:49 PM Author: charismatic cyan depressive boiling water Well, the thing is, though, that it was Harvard Law. And jen showed on the show that she is likely a very good attorney. But clearly, she had a bit more than Kelly to learn in terms of running a business... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806809) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 1:52 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Sex Offender Shrine Some real fuckups manage to make it into Harvard and graduate, then go on to do very little of anything worthwhile. There's somewhat less of a chance of this happening at the academies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806830) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:07 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage yep, at least in part because of the rec system. the congressperson gets a phone call if his candidate is a complete fuckup so he/she has an incentive not to recommend a complete asshole.
edit: air force is full of complete assholes, though despite this. |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:26 AM Author: Autistic orchestra pit John McCain graduated second from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1810760) |
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Date: December 30th, 2004 5:26 PM Author: adventurous frum rigor George Bush couldn't get into the Univ of Texas and is President. Wesley Clark graduated top of his class from West Point and couldn't even beat John Kerry. Carter-USNA, Reagan- Eureka College, Clinton - Gtown Bushes-legacy admissions to Yale.
Let's not take this Ivy elitism too seriously. |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 1:54 PM Author: cheese-eating laughsome mood No, they were just being nice. Plus, the military gets bonus points during wartime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806842) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:07 PM Author: haunting chad I wouldn't be surprised if it is harder to get into West Point than HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806915) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:08 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage well you have to pass the physical. so that's an added wrinkle in the selection process. the academies generally look for well-rounded people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806927) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:15 PM Author: red locale incel The Academies also specifically target people who are intellignet but not too intelligent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1806981) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:18 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage they want someone who's above average at virtually everything, whereas a lot of other prestigious schools prefer someone who's exceptional in a single area.
ie: the math geek who gets into MIT easily doesn't have a prayer in hell at West Point despite having an SAT score 200 points above its median, because he can't pass the physical and doesn't have a wide breadth of EC's.
and vice versa. i wouldn't have stood a prayer in hell of getting into harvard, but probably could've gotten into WP. |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:27 PM Author: red locale incel Yeah I know all about it. My best friend from HS went to WP. My point was that there are kids with the ability to pass the physical application with SAT scores that are simply "too high". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807072) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage they're not looking for great thinkers. they want capable officers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807131) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:30 PM Author: Orange New Version Anybody accepted at MIT would get into WP or NA unless they were literally crippled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807089) |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 4:39 PM Author: mentally impaired tanning salon elastic band Very true. The military needs smart people as well, especially tech-smart people.
The physical standards to get in aren't THAT exacting. You can't be fat and you have to be able to run and do situps and pushups to a reasonable specification. I remember looking it up once and the standards were about the same as to get that physical fitness award they used to give out in elementary school. |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:19 PM Author: Orange New Version Anybody with a 1250 SAT and a LOR from a corrupt ttt congressman gets into WP. How smart can a WP student be if they want to join the military? The military is ttt. If you are smart, you can sleep late and make your own damn schedule. It's not like wars are fought at 4am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807010) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:23 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage you also have to pass the physical and generally have a varsity sport or two.
"It's not like wars are fought at 4am."
actually they are. they don't schedule wars to begin promptly at 9am and end at 5pm. they begin and end at all hours.
in terms of GPA/LSAT, it's admittedly a lot less selective than a lot of other prestigious schools, but they aim for well-rounded candidates.
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:25 PM Author: Orange New Version The physical just means you can't have bad vision or scoliosis. And most people DIDN'T play a varsity in h.s. that attend there. All you do is forward your grades/sat to a congressman/senator and they write a blind rec. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807058) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:32 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage you're just wrong.
http://admissions.usma.edu/FAQs/faqs_admission.cfm
"The Physical Aptitude Examination consists of five events: pull-ups for men or flexed-arm hang for women; a basketball throw from the kneeling position; the standing long jump; a 300-yard shuttle run; and a two-minute period of push-ups. You are permitted just one examination, and you should practice the five events prior to taking the examination."
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:37 PM Author: Orange New Version The criteria for those events are very very very low. I am not wrong. I lived my whole life across the street from the NA. Most my friends from high school went to either NA or WP b/c I was one of the few families not military-based in my town. Those academies will accept anybody with over 1250sat, LOR from any gov't person, and who isn't crippled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807147) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:42 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage then why do they have 10% acceptance rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807190) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:44 PM Author: Orange New Version B/c jackasses apply there without the needed recs or SATs that are piss-poor. Most the people applying there can only get to the military by being enlisted but for some fucked up reason they think they can goto college and become an officer. Also, for those not good enough for the real SAs they have the Citadel, Texas A&M, and VaTech, plus ROTC at most other colleges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807208) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:28 AM Author: Autistic orchestra pit A lot of people who want to join the army give westpoint a shot first. Same with a lot of the ROTC folks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1810772) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:20 PM Author: curious mint crotch church building IMHO too much was made of the name of the school and not enough about how well she did -- she was clearly not the kind of student who gets in somewhere and then coasts if she made PBK at Princeton. To me, that's the bigger issue.
That being said, I think West Point deserves all the accolades it gets. You have to be very sharp AND a very tough person to get in & get through. |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:24 PM Author: Orange New Version You don't have to be "tough" to get into wp. I grew up in Annapolis and I saw plenty of middies which is like WP cadets. Academically, those schools are equivalent to a good state school. The only tough part about it is waking up at 5am. It's not like those schools are basic training basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807044) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:37 PM Author: curious mint crotch church building >Academically, those schools are equivalent to a good state school.
They sure rock state schools' asses when it comes to producing Rhodes & Marshall scholars, and unless by good state school you mean Berkeley and Michigan, when it comes to law school admission. |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 3:08 PM Author: Orange New Version Their admissions numbers are equal to decent state schools. UM,Berk,UF,UT,Uva are all more selective than the SAs. As far as Rhodes and Marshall, I don't believe that they produce more Rhodes than a good state school and Marshall scholarships are heavily weighted by the fact that people at WP or NA have written papers advised by people that actually lived in Bosnia or Haiti and Marshall committees love that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807322) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 8:12 PM Author: Startling titillating digit ratio (Updated 11/30/04) West Point is 4th on the list of total winners for Rhodes Scholarships, 7th for Marshall and 4th on the list of Hertz Fellows. In each case the institutions with more scholarship winners also have larger student bodies.
http://www.dean.usma.edu/Scholarships/
I hope Stanford, Columbia and the other "top" private universities are ashamed of themselves for trailing a a "good" state school equivalent in Rhodes scholars. For God's sakes, their admissions numbers are equal to the decent state schools.
How dare those bastards competing for the Marshall write papers advised by people living and making history! How are those in the ivory tower to compete?????
Perhaps an insitution's output is more important than its input. And this all comes from a place whose goal is to produce future leaders, not scholars.
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:34 PM Author: Fishy soul-stirring theater stage you really don't have to be "tough". officer training isn't like boot camp. you just have to be reasonably well-rounded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807121) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:35 PM Author: curious mint crotch church building All I know is, those kids are a a lot tougher than I am (not to mention a lot of my Harvard classmates). I give them points for that. A lot of us are wusses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807132) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 2:38 PM Author: Orange New Version Only lesbians goto SAs. The guys aren't tough. They just don't realize that with financial they can attend college without going to a glorified ROTC program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807165) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 3:04 PM Author: Sadistic Wine Background Story Queen Of The Night A former classmate of mine is at West Point. I'm surprised it's supposed to be such a selective school, because this guy had a 3.0 GPA (no honors classes or anything) if even that and 1220 SAT. He was in a few activities, but he wasn't particularly good at any of them, and he was solidly middle-class. He didn't even get into BU, but somehow he ended up at west point. He was in a sport, but he was really, really bad and never played. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807290) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 3:09 PM Author: Orange New Version You described the norm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807327) |
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Date: December 17th, 2004 3:28 PM Author: Sadistic Wine Background Story Queen Of The Night Actually, he couldn't get aid. He was middle class -- too rich for aid and too poor to afford private school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1807455) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 12:58 AM Author: Coral step-uncle's house Kelly went to my high school, Pine View School for the Highly Gifted in Sarasota, from grades 4 through 9. In terms of ability, he is head and shoulders above many at harvard, assuming IQ is a somewhat accurate guage of smartness. Obviously I don't know precisely how many standard deviations above the mean he tested at, but Trump himself mentioned that all selectees were 200+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1810627) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:08 AM Author: Vivacious public bath ceo "Trump himself mentioned that all selectees were 200+."
What scale was he using? There's no way in hell some of those candidates has IQ's above 200, or even 160. Stacy R. and Bradford were certifiable 120's.
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:11 AM Author: marvelous pearl hospital macaca Do you realize that 200 is more than 6 SDs over the mean? Do you realize how rare that is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1810687) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:18 AM Author: Vivacious public bath ceo I was just thinking that. I'd be surprised if there were 18 people out of the 1,000,000 that applied for the position with IQ's of 200 or above.
Do you think he selected the crop by highest IQ? |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 2:14 PM Author: crusty brass goyim dingle berry No, he selected the people that would make for the best tv.
Maybe they all got 200 plus on the emode IQ test online, but that;s about it.
Statistically, 200 IQs are hard to find, and the ones that you do find, chances are, would not all be telegenic/good choices for tv. In order to get a group that's as loudmouthed/creates good tv as this one, youd have to have like 100 people with 200 plus IQs to choose from, and that would be impossible.
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Date: December 19th, 2004 2:13 PM Author: crusty brass goyim dingle berry I really, really doubt that all the selectees had an IQ of over 200. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1815506) |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 3:47 PM Author: overrated amber candlestick maker meetinghouse I doubt that a single one of them was above 170. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1815950) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:35 AM Author: Autistic orchestra pit My dad was in the army and I lived on an army base when I was going to high school. There were some really smart people who went to west point form my high school. The year before I graduated, the valdictorian went. He also got into Harvard.
In my year, the male and female voted most likley to succeed both went to West Point.
There are plenty of other examples.
There are plenty of people at West Point and the other military academies with 1250's, but there are also a lot of really exceptional people who are just drawn to the army. |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 1:49 AM Author: vermilion house-broken area Anectdotal evidence.
I have a friend who went to West Point for a year. He didn't like how strict they were, so he decided to transfer. Despite having terrible grades, he was accepted by Harvard and many other top schools. West Point is an "elite" school from what I know. |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 2:38 AM Author: Twisted Vigorous Ladyboy I don't see why Harvard would accept a transfer with terrible grades just because he was from West Point.
Your story sounds like horseshit. |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 1:00 PM Author: Startling titillating digit ratio Same reason people on this board are crying about getting into a top 14 with a 3.3-3.5/164-166 and Academy guys don't have to sweat it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1815346) |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 3:48 PM Author: overrated amber candlestick maker meetinghouse Isn't a 3.3 like top 15% at West Point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1815955) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 5:30 AM Author: Razzle Impertinent Abode the most outstanding friend I ever had went to West Point. Cool guy (everyone liked him, and he was student body president), really smart, awesome wrestler and cross country guy (placed in state in both- I trained with him a lot, his not quite elite athletic ability was totally offset by an insane mental toughness), big Christian, second oldest in a huge family (more than 10 brothers and sisters), just as solid as can be. Went to West Point, the general in charge there would call him to get advice on how to deal with his teenage daughter. When he graduated, ranked highest in his class, he was honor grad in Ranger school. Later, the same general at West Point got moved to Bosnia, he personally selected him to come work directly under him there. I've known plenty of people who went to Ivies, most of whom were smarter than this guy, but none of them compare as an all around dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1811187) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 7:46 AM Author: snowy shivering stock car sounds kind of boring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1811225) |
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Date: December 18th, 2004 7:50 AM Author: Pea-brained stirring locus national security agency Subject: dispel some myths... I am a USNA grad, so I am biased, but I will tell you what I saw there. As mentioned by others, most people there were above average and well-rounded in most areas. There were some geniuses and a few "rocks" as we called them. About 90% of every class played a varsity sport in HS and a good many were captains of their teams. Academically, every student must take a demanding core curriculum heavy on the hard sciences regardless of major. Finally, we did produce 3 Rhodes Scholars this year, second only to Harvard I believe. Hope that helps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1811226) |
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Date: December 19th, 2004 10:30 PM Author: chrome faggot firefighter Hm, I think that goes under the provision of the Rhodes scholarship that says applicants must prove to have an interest in sports or something like that. Most smart ivy leaguers prolly sit in their room in study. Personally, I respect West Point grads more than harvard grads. But thats just me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#1817120) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2005 2:40 PM Author: Lascivious Jap Subject: Ivy People. Get real. It's not like Ivy grads are "studying all day." Maybe MIT. Maybe Caltech.
I would virtually gurantee that people at the service academies study more than most Ivy-Leaguers. Why? (1) As was mentioned above all of these people take a ton of hard science classes and (2) they amount of discipline and rigor required to complete UG at a service academy is insane.
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Date: October 23rd, 2005 3:10 PM Author: Harsh state potus You just described the type of douchey tool that I would never want to be friends with. Thanks for comfirming my shitty perception of the academies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=116848&forum_id=2#4116776) |