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3L: classmate SUPER excited for her NYC biglaw job
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:22 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm we were both talking about starting NYC biglaw in the fall, and she's talking about how excited she is, how fun it's going to be, how she's going to do really interesting work with smart people.
i asked her if she was fucking with me. totally sincere.
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Date: March 10th, 2013 11:53 AM Author: Odious spruce address queen of the night Shrew in training! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22790265) |
Date: March 7th, 2013 2:28 PM Author: magical regret state Sounds like it must be Kirkland and Ellis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774152) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm boom 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774245) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:49 PM Author: idiotic bat-shit-crazy rigpig At least she'll make money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774282) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:51 PM Author: magical regret state I bet she is super kyoot and stylish to boot! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774305) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:53 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm eh i like her, just can't comprehend that mindset (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774323) |
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Date: March 10th, 2013 12:08 AM Author: aggressive potus holy shit. does k&e have that rep? i know someone there who's like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788932) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 12:22 AM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line On the attractiveness front, only DPW really has that rep. And I'll be damned if it's not deserved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22794783) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 12:29 AM Author: Cerebral indian lodge c r (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22794834) |
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Date: March 12th, 2013 1:09 PM Author: magical regret state http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2182125&mc=15&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22803796) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:30 PM Author: aromatic mustard sound barrier This is fairly typical. A lot of law students seem pretty hopelessly optimistic about their biglaw futures, even now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774161) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:30 PM Author: provocative mint principal's office sounds like shes going to some overhyped lit boutique (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774162) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: know-it-all soul-stirring step-uncle's house tank cadwalader (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774204) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 2:38 PM Author: mentally impaired coiffed hall chill fratty latham shrew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22774209) |
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Date: March 7th, 2013 11:43 PM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line I don't hate my biglaw jerb. Then again, I went into it with open eyes and knew exactly what was in store. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22777535) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 2:51 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm best way to not hate it?
how do you best approach it? how long are you planning to be there? |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 3:15 PM Author: avocado electric indirect expression best way to not hate it is to be debt free. if you don't have to deal with all that added anxiety and poverty, biglaw is fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22785952) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line Things that have worked well for me:
1) Do your best to ensure you're working in a decent environment, with decent-enough people. There's only so much of this that's in your control, but firms have reputations, and sometimes those reputations are deserved.
2) Do your best to ensure you're working for partners that are good to work for. Find out which ones are difficult and demanding, and do your best to have enough work from others that you can safely turn down work from them.
3) Find a good "guide" (don't want to use the word mentor). When you start, find some mid-to-senior associate who's well-liked and seems to have figured out the lay of the land. Befriend that guy. Tell him he seems like he's got it figured out. Ask if you can go to lunch, and pick his brain. This helps immensely with #1 and #2 above - even the worst firms have some decent partners, and even the best firms have some crappy groups. Figure out who you want to be working with, and do everything in your power to work with those people.
4) I won't say "enjoy what you do," because that's unrealistic, but... at least try to find something interesting in what you're doing. If lit, then cultivate a strong dislike for the other side - the more you want to beat the crap out of them, the more you can get "into" what you're doing. Don't do this to motivate yourself to work more hours than you otherwise would, but use it to make the endless hours seem at least a little engaging and worthwhile.
5) Don't expect to be there forever. Keep your life as fluid as possible. If you continue to enjoy the firm and they like you, and you stay until you're a senior associate (or beyond), then great. But structure your finances in a way that you don't need to be there long. That way, you can pursue other attractive options (if they should present themselves). Even if you stay, knowing you *could* leave - knowing that you're not trapped - makes it so much easier to go into work every day. |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:45 PM Author: Adventurous bawdyhouse nice work here, my fellow pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788525) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:50 PM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line ty, ty. Trying to make xo a less shitty place, one post at a time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788547) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 11:34 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Set Nice post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788762) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 12:32 AM Author: Disturbing corner in other words, don't be aspie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22794855) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 12:51 AM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line Nah, I think it's a little more complicated than that. I know some chill bros who just didn't pace themselves and burnt out, or who got attached to the golden handcuffs and felt trapped. Believe me, I *wish* there was a stronger correlation between "not being aspie" and comfortably sticking around in biglaw past year 4-6. Alas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22794943) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm ty for this.
starting in fall. i don't have any illusions - just a lot of fucking loans to pay off.
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Date: March 9th, 2013 3:20 PM Author: exhilarant resort Realistically if they knew how many hours they will be spending doing doc review and looking for misplaced commas they'd kill themselves so this kind of optimism needs to be encouraged just to keep the suicide levels low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22785982) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 2:55 PM Author: Milky Confused Mediation Electric Furnace I tend to think overenthusiasm leads to burnout though. In my pre-law days, I had a very boring job that, with skill and efficiency, could be made relatively easy but didn't have much else to recommend it. When I left I had to train a replacement - this super-enthusiastic girl who thought everything was so fucking fascinating. As I predicted, she lasted about two weeks, because the job was not interesting at all and required you to do somewhat repetitive tasks quickly and efficiently all week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22797072) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 2:58 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm yea, i'm trying to approach with as cold a heart and as sober an outlook as possible.
not trying to do anything other than survive and develop some modicum of skill that enables me to get a solid job once i leave. |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 3:02 PM Author: Milky Confused Mediation Electric Furnace happiness, or at least contentedness, benefits from realistic expectations. A little enthusiasm can be helpful, don't get me wrong, but it needs to have some connection to reality. "I'm going to make good money for a lot of hard work, and sometimes it's going to be a real slog, and I'll have something on my resume that might help me later" might be the appropriate amount of enthusiasm for biglaw, not "I'm going to do fascinating work with brilliant people!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22797125) |
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Date: March 11th, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Nighttime pisswyrm yep, that's what i'm trying to do.
not going to look down my nose at biglaw, as i know full well that before law school my earning potential was nothing.
maybe i'll actually be good at something or enjoy some part of it, which would be a nice bonus. |
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Date: March 12th, 2013 12:40 AM Author: Jet-lagged 180 university personal credit line This. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22801531) |
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Date: March 9th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: Clear Contagious Weed Whacker tbf, there are plenty of smart folks in biglaw, and the work can be interesting at times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788488) |
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Date: March 10th, 2013 12:16 AM Author: appetizing crackhouse hissy fit the first, sure, the latter LOLOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2200579&forum_id=2#22788992) |