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WHAT IS LIKE TO WORK AT A V20 LAW FIRM LIKE SKADDEN OR SHERMAN STERLING?
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:46 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Can someone give like a breakdown of an average Tuesday working at Hogan Lovells, Cravath or Skadden or something like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012330) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:47 AM Author: khaki faggotry corn cake Lit or trannie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012336) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:47 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Litigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012342) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:49 AM Author: khaki faggotry corn cake Can't help u sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012352) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:50 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Ok well what about transcational lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012355) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 8:36 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#37432059) |
Date: October 21st, 2015 8:47 AM Author: french nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012337) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 8:55 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058117) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:53 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Lots of self loathing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012363) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:54 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house elaborate, shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012371) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:56 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor I'm just speculating. I work at a v100 and it sucks so it must be really shitty at a v20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012381) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:58 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house interesting..can you talk about how your typically goes? Like you arrive at work at say 8am...then how does the day go? I'm just curious to get an idea of what an associate goes with..also what PG are u in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012385) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:11 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Labor. I'm new so I'm pretty light. I just got done marathon writing a brief do was very busy but today don't have a lot. I'm not going to ask for work. Learned my lesson about that in midlaw. From what I can tell, people get here between 8-9 and work till 7 or so and hole up in their offices. Very different from my midlaw firm where we'd all go out for lunch and bullshit around here and there during the day.
There's one partner in my group who seems to be here till like 10 most nights. Fuck that. |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:13 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house WTf that is no life to work until ten.
How long did it take you to write the brief? And how many editing reviews does it go through? |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:14 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor I think 30ish hours? Probably a bit too long. No edits, which was not expected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012440) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:16 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house interesting..what would you say is the biggest difference between your experience in midlaw with bighlaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012446) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:18 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor You have to ask for permission to take a piss here even if you're "first chair" but that is a partner by partner thing and you see that in midlaw. The lack of socializing is huge and kind of a negative to me. Also weird being somewhere and knowing I'll likely never make partner so I have to think about what my next move is. I was up for partner in midlaw this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012456) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:21 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Why didn't you make partner in midlaw and instead came to biglaw? Also, what are the only realistic ways to make partner at biglaw? I mean, how the fuck do they expect associates to bring in big business clients? I dont get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012467) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:43 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Midlaw firm tops out nonequities at 250k and it's super hard to make equity so realistically I was capped at 250. I'm making 240 walking in the door here. I was making 180 as a senior associate there, might hVe gotten a bump to 200 with the promotion.
Not sure how you make partner man. I don't think it's focused on business generation up front for the very reason you said. No 30 something senior associate is bringing in biglaw caliber clients. Honestly I'd be cool with of counsel making 300 something.
Also I can go back to my midlaw firm anytime. Or do gov after banking money for a while. |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:45 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house nice...do you feel like the intense work hours are worth it, or do u think u would prefer working less and doing other shit in life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012549) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:49 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Right now I need money. New babbydood and would like to have another. With one kid in the DC area I was feeling strained on a hhi of around 270k. So I have to earn money for the next 5 years or so.
Also I billed around 2100 in midlaw. I think the whole midlaw is chill thing is somewhat untrue. Though we had people who billed like 1700 a year. |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:54 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Wait, how do u feel strained with making such a high salary? Mortgage note high? That's insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012582) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:07 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor $2400 mortgage, $1700 daycare and a bunch of money on random shit like diapers and formula adds up.
By strained though I mean that wife and I were both maxing out 401ks, I was saving 11k in Roth accounts for us, $1300/mo in taxable stock accounts, $700/mo in cash and $1000/mo in a 529. So it's kind of bullshit for me to say we were actually stretched. I guess it's just greed. So I get to add around $2500/mo to my taxable investments now. |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:09 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Nice. How do you structure your investments? With a broker from Fidelity or Schwab or u do it yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012627) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:15 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Target retirement vanguard fund and s couple sector funds from them - energy and healthcare. Financial advisor shit seems flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012653) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:16 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Thanks I googled them and definitely I'm gonna look into them. Can you elaborate a little more on the target vanguard fund...credited to invest in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012663) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:28 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor If you buy into the 3 fund portfolio (domestic index, foreign index, bond index) and are ok with paying slightly higher fees so you don't have to rebalance yourself then yes. I throw some other shit in there for fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012711) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:29 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Nice. When you draft Motions for summary Judgment, how much legal research do u tend to do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012718) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:43 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor I've only done one or two of those ever, because I'm a traditional labor bro. But I've written tons of post trial briefs and appeal briefs to the NLRB and it's a similar process. Depends on the case. Some are very law heavy and you do like 25+ hours of research. Others are really straightforward legal issues and all about da facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012778) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:46 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense. What is your approach to brief writing when its law heavy? Do you ever try to argue on the basis of fairness for why your client should win/recover, all whilst masquerading your argument with a litany of caselaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012789) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 1:21 PM Author: flesh dashing parlor I'm always arguing that a Union should lose, to an agency that is hugely pro Union. I never bother with fairness arguments breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29014020) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 1:26 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house makes sense...how is it like appearing before the NLRB like, shitlib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29014057) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 1:54 PM Author: flesh dashing parlor It's fun. It's a kangaroo court though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29014350) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 8:56 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house elaborate on what u mean by a kangaroo court, shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058119) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 9:00 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor This is quite the subthread wasteland.
The NLRB judges, first off, work for the NLRB but are supposedly neutral because they're in a different division from the General Counsel (prosecutors). Of course, roughly 99% of these judges are lifers who spent the first 15-20 years of their careers trying cases for the NLRB. They're biased. Then you get to appeal to the full NLRB in DC. That should really give an employer comfort. However, NLRB decisions are reviewable by federal circuits so there's that. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 9:02 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house So basically the NLRB decides cases on the basis of what it considers fair to the employer, and not on the basis of statutory law or caselaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058136) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:50 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor The NLRB has its own precedent but when you get an activist NLRB like we have now, they tend to overturn prior rules. The COAs can refuse to enforce an NLRB order but that never changes what the NLRB does - it goes by its own precedent. The scotus is different - those cases obviously are binding on the NLRB
In actuality the NLRB is very political. When you have a liberal board they bend over backwards to find for unions and employees. When a conservative board, vice versa |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:53 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Lol so the kangaroo court description was apt, ha? How do you usually write your briefs? Focus on the law or more policy-oriented arguments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058682) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:56 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Your schtick is interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058696) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:01 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house No its a serious question. It's one that has really fascinated me for a while. Please answer. Thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058736) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:11 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Law and facts. Rarely been involved in a case arguing policy concerns (maybe once or twice, urging NLRB to overturn precedent). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058784) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense. do you ever do the bargaining for employees in union negotiations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058906) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:37 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Yep, that is a big part of what we do. At my old firm I did everything independently. It looks like the main partner here is overly involved in everything and runs stuff even when someone else is first chair. One of the reasons I doubt I'll stay in biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058971) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Yikes. So how intense is the supervision from junior/senior associates and partners? Does basically every substantive action need to be reviewed by the higher ups before u can do anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058985) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:54 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Yes. It's extremely annoying. I was with an associate at bargaining and he kept calling the partner. It's like why doesn't the partner ducking do it himself then.
I'm going to do whatever I want and get fired. I can go back to my old firm. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:05 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house Let's say you had three thousand dollars and you wanted to invest. What would be the credited investment with low risk and reasonable high return (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059149) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:16 PM Author: flesh dashing parlor Bitcoin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059194) |
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Date: February 28th, 2021 10:06 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#42025770) |
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Date: February 12th, 2021 1:25 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#41932919) |
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Date: February 4th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#41884241) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#37421418) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:57 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath LJL at you being strapped for cash. You were saving $80k a year you fucking mongoloid. Saving $1k a month in a 529 from birth is preposterous when considering that you are getting a return on your investment there for probably 15 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058708) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:01 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Saving 1k a year on the front end and reducing later, faggot, and why u mad about how much I make?
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath I'm not mad about how much you are making, I'm mad about you living in a lower COL area than I do and complaining about your living expenses when you are actually saving as much money as you need to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059045) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Why u mad tho
If I was making even less than I did at my former job (say 130-150k) but could count on job security I'd be fine, but I have to assume my lolcareer could flame out and die at any moment so I have to build up enough wealth to leave the profession in the next few years if I have to.
Do u live in NYC or sf? I think those are the only areas more expensive than DC. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:59 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath You were supposedly on track to make partner but were a scared pussy about getting equity. It was dumb of you to leave that. A longer-term minded person would have stayed to make partner first then tried to work his or her way up to a big firm. Yes, I am in NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059112) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: flesh dashing parlor Nah that firm had long term issues so staying there wasn't a good move. Plus I know I can go back if I have to. What do you do that makes you an expert on law firms, nigger? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059126) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:09 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath V5 biglaw person, have a lot of classmates who are now partners at lower V100s and regional firms, hire law firms as local counsel frequently, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059162) |
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Date: March 13th, 2021 10:07 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#42100662) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 11:43 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29021236) |
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Date: February 17th, 2021 1:13 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#41961189) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:22 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease I hate when summer candidates ask these "typical day" questions. You come to work, you do work that needs to get done, you go home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012472) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:24 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Yeah, but is it alot of sitting in front of the computer, meetings, doc review lunch, sociability, etc...elaborate, shitlib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012476) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:28 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease It depends on the day. On some days I spend all my time writing shit. Other days, I get ready for and do calls with opposing counsel. Other days, I meet with others on my team to discuss the case. I also squeeze in some time to poast. It's a mix of everything, and this is why lit is so awesome - there is no routine, and you are constantly mentally stimulated. Sweet scholarly treats all the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012489) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:36 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house What is your approach to brief writing? Do you usually just apply the legal standard or advance your argument by pleading some rough basis of fairness for why your client should prevail, all the while masquerading your argument with a facade of statutory/case law citations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012509) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:41 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Ljl at equity arguments in the court of LAW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012524) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:44 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol...how many hours do u bill a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012547) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:49 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Depends on the year. 1950 at least, 2600 at most. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012564) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:51 AM Author: flesh dashing parlor Describe ur cans and panties (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012569) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:52 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease literally perfect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012571) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:07 AM Author: soggy big-titted shrine Ungh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012615) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:53 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Yikes. Why is there little socialization at your firm u think or in biglaw in general? Business of work or aspie personalities run rampant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012578) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:58 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease I socialize with my co-workers. We go out together for birthdays or work-related celebrations, and there are a couple of co-workers I consider FRIENDS. There are also aspies at my firm who don't socialize with anyone. It's 100% personality-dependent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012590) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:00 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense...Do you genuinely enjoy the work you do, or do you wish you were doing something different, like being a local DA prosecuting felons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012595) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:06 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease I do like the work, but I am not crazy about the hours once they get above a certain threshold. I hate gov't inefficiency and dealing with poor people so no local DA work for me, but I am probably going to look for more chill firm/in-house work next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012605) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:07 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense I wouldn't blame you. Can you tell me why house counsel is preferred over big law, apart from the better hours? Is the work more relaxed, I'm assuming? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012614) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:10 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Better hours, really. I don't mind stressful work as long as it doesn't consume 20 hrs of my day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012630) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:12 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Of course...what is the usual source of stress in the kind of work u do? Time constraints or unreasonable expectations of partner/client? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012640) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:23 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Time constraints ofs. I have pretty high expectations of myself so I rarely view others' expectations of me as unreasonable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012693) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:25 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house How annoying is the whole discovery process at a biglaw level? At shit law its incredibly time consuming noticing up deps, doing the deps, responding to discovery devices, going to motions to compel, and the whole game played by defense and plaintiff side lawyers. Is it a bigger hassle? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012699) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:30 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease It is a huge hassle, but it's good training. You have to craft winning arguments to get the docs you want from the other side. You build up confidence arguing at meet-and-confers and shit. It can also be a very effective device to get your client what it wants - I've been on cases that settled over discovery shenanigans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012725) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:34 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense. What about on the substantive side? How often do legal arguments win the day at biglaw motion arguments in court? I'm talking substantive motions like Motions for summary or 12b6 stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012738) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:50 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Every time you have a winning argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012814) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:52 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house nice...do you ever wish you were at a prestigious firm like Covington or Sherman Sterling, or u happy with where u are at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012827) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 11:13 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease My firm is way moar prestigious than those TTTs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012979) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:18 AM Author: titillating pontificating resort sandwich UnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnGHHHHHH I want to your scholarship from front to back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012673) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:53 AM Author: lime abnormal sneaky criminal They're way better than "what's the culture like" questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012580) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:59 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Not for me. I could spend all day gossiping about our culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012594) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:01 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house give some examples of your law firm culture--do partners sleep with new associates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012596) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:07 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease No, not like that. But it's peculiar enough to out me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012612) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:09 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house oh ok makes sense. I hear that partners tend to be very arrogant at biglaw? Is there any merit to this from your experience? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012622) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:12 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease Jfc chill out doobs. Some are, others aren't. I've lucked out with the ones I work for and view them as mentors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012637) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:15 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house That's good. How do biglaw firms make a profit considering the amazing amount of overhead they have (particularly in labor and office supplies)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012657) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:31 AM Author: Aqua Sickened Senate Mad Cow Disease We subcontract juniors and resell office supplies to Wachtell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012727) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 10:32 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol makes sense...what kind of firm is Skadden Arps like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012733) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 12:24 PM Author: silver alpha Big corporate machine practice along with more chill niche practice areas and a big but not particularly special lit practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29021484) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 3:20 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house what are its chill niche practice areas? Aerospace litigation for NASA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29022578) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 1:38 PM Author: aggressive cuckoldry Look on their website. They have probably 15 or 20 small niche practices. These are the best types of practices to get into IMO because you develop specialized skills (and thus it is easier to stay in big law longer if you want) and you have better exit options. Lots of firms have groups like these. Covington has a ton in DC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059697) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:23 AM Author: Aromatic goal in life fat ankles You prance from the elevator to your office at 9 am listening to the dim murmur of the scholarly dance taking place, with bright, loud explosions of scholarship at each corner you round (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29012474) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 1:56 PM Author: naked address 7:00 - wake up, jack off, shower, jack off again
7:50 - Buy bagel and coffee from cafe; dream of fucking the somewhat cute cashier girl who must wonder why I look so sad and depressed every morning
8:00 - Go into office, try not to look at old, fat, ugly, bitchy associate whose office I have to pass. God she is dumb too. Wonder what I have done in my life to deserve to work with such a stupid bitch.
8:01 - Log onto system. Check nytimes.com and stock market. Check two dozen useless e-mails, most of them from dumb ass junior female associates on the other coast who are stupid enough to send out email questions to the entire fucking firm rather than research it themselves. Wonder why it is that female associates send 90% of the dumbass e-mail questions.
8:20 - Start dreaming about fucking a hot bitch; will continue for most of morning. Wish I could close my office door and jack off.
8:30 - Start working on actual billable stuff even though I've been billing the client for my dreaming and surfing. Close door to keep out sounds of annoying fat ass secretaries. Wonder why anyone would want to waste their life being a legal secretary.
Until noon - Continue working on whatever, hoping not to be called by any other attorneys asking for help. If busy actually try to finish shit. If not busy try to waste time so I can bill more on the project and fuck over the client.
Noon - go out of office, walk down street hoping to see some hot bitches since all I see are ugly fat bitches in the office. Buy a sandwich, come back to office and eat it alone checking nytimes and billing client for the time
Afternoon - fat ass stupid bitch secretary comes into office for third time. Asks stupid ass question; wastes my time; I pretend to be nice even though I wish she were dead. Wonder why secretary can't write a cover letter without having to ask me a question. Wonder why I can't have a 22 year old hot secretary instead of a 60 year old haggy fat bitch.
4:00 - asshole senior partner calls me with "emergency" assigment that must be completed by tomorrow morning. I know fucking ass partner will come into my office tomorrow morning so I actually feel like I have to work on it. Wonder why this partner always calls me after 4 and always needs an answer within 18 hours. Dream of shooting him.
8:00 - somewhat finish assignment. E-mail partner with answer and hope he won't ask follow up questions even though I know he will. Input my hours into the firm's billing system. Try to double bill as much as I can. Try to "estimate" my time, being fair to myself of course.
8:15 - leave office, take taxi home that firm pays for. Buy some Indian or Thai food. Get home, surf net for porn. Jack off two or three times. Take hot bath. Jack off. Go to sleep dreaming of fucking hot bitch.
Repeat next day.
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Date: October 21st, 2015 3:12 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol thanks for this..how hard is it when u first started to get accustomed to the billing cycle? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29015121) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 11:43 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29021237) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:20 PM Author: Idiotic property degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#35713425) |
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Date: January 12th, 2022 7:18 AM Author: Aphrodisiac orange coldplay fan son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#43769750) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 12:23 PM Author: silver alpha Skadden is a V5 firm, not V20. It is currently ranked #3 in the vault rankings. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29021478) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 1:07 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house its still in the top 20, shitlib. so answer the question: how is it like working there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29021764) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:56 AM Author: Walnut Pea-brained Theater Sex Offender (3L / first year) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058698) |
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Date: February 4th, 2021 2:26 PM Author: citrine business firm azn No what it isn't though? Cravath or Wachtell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#41885845) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:02 AM Author: Copper cracking dopamine it's a peak experience, shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058740) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:11 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Shitigation in NYC:
7:00 am - wake up 7:30 am - read law 360, email partners about relevant cases 9:10am - get to work 9:20 am - read email memo I asked jr associate get me by last night 9:21 am - palm face 9:45 am - send comments to jr associate 10:00 am - client call with partner 10:45 am - make jr associate research stupid case that partner is convinced exists but I know does not 11:00 am - work on drafting motion 12:00 pm - redo parts of research I asked jr associate to do for memo but that were fucked up 1:00 pm - get lunch, eat at desk 1:20 pm - flip deposition preparation binder full of docs client is on 2:00 pm - revise witness outline for deposition prep 3:30 pm - email paralegal and jr associate asking why relevant documents aren't in the binder 4:00 pm - receive bullshit letter from opposing counsel complaining about something 5:00 pm - meeting with partner re: bullshit letter 5:15 pm - listen to partner rattle of stuff that should be in response letter 5:45 pm - start drafting response letter 6:00 pm - receive corrected binder that should have all the documents I need for deposition prep, but that I now have to QC because I can't trust jr associate and paralegal 7:30 pm - dinner 8:15 pm - send partner draft of response letter 8:20 pm - back to working on motion 9:15 pm - car home, motion still not done, but fuck it I want to watch TV and have a beer 10:00 pm - email from partner - good draft, let's discuss tomorrow, see if jr associate can find some cases saying what they are asking for is bullshit 10:01 pm - forward email to jr associate saying let's talk tomorrow morning 10:05 pm - get response from jr associate saying some bullshit about having an appointment tomorrow morning and assume she is interviewing at other firms, think to myself good riddance |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:12 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house How long does it usually take to write a draft of a dispositive motion (like a summary judgment or 12b6 or its equivalent in state court)? And how many revisions does it usually have to go through? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058790) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:22 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath You've been on this board for like 7 years dude. How are you not a practicing lawyer who would know that by now? Or are you just trying to lead me into a subthread wasteland? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058858) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:25 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house I've never practiced in biglaw. In shitlaw it usually takes less than a week. The bitch about it is getting all the exhibits and paralegal shit together. I was just curious how its done in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058892) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Tell me, friend-o, how did someone who is as well-versed in DAT SCHOLARSHIP as you end up in shitlaw? Are we talking slip and falls? Does that break your spirit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058912) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house I'm trying to end up like her http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/Graduate_Program/MBrady_CV.pdf
rate her prestige. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Based on her address, I rate her as likely to have a Tsarnaev brother hiding out in the boat behind her house.
Also seems very desperate to get into legal academia. I guess she has a shot at becoming a prof. at a T-20 school, but her research seems scattershot. I guess she is interested in property? IP? Hard to sell her as an expert on any particular area and though I have no idea I suspect becoming a property professor is tough as schools want to woo stars in areas students actually care about like constitutional law. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:40 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol good point brother. Is the billable system at biglaw annoying in the sense that it consumes alot of your workday? Is it really true at a V20 like Skadden u got to bill every .6 increment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058991) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:48 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath It is annoying as shit, though I spend about 45 minutes a week on it. Yes, we have to account for every six minutes of our time, which is actually .1 (not .6). You get used to it and there are phrasings that you use to make it so that you only need to write a few lines per day of entries. (Like "attention to thread with S. Shadyman; internal emails re: same; drafted/revised response to S. Shadyman") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059041) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol less than an hour a week on billing? That's golden. I always was under the impression you had to constantly stop what your doing and bill immediately.
Making partner at a biglaw firm is all about bringing in new business? Or just making connections with the senior big hitters? |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:57 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Hard to say how you get the keys to the castle. The most important characteristics are being responsible, self-starting, and being loyal to the rain makers. (You have to be someone the senior partners trust to run their cases on a day to day basis and who important institutional clients seem to like.) In biglaw litigation, it is difficult to get repeat business because we often are litigating one-time, "bet the company" type things. So there is really no expectation for associates to bring in new business. Corporate is different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059105) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:59 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Makes sense. Interesting. What are the biggest challenges u have faced in your stint at big law thus far, if you had to pick a couple things? Are these challenges substantive (law-related) or more getting accustomed to the culture of biglaw> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059116) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Biggest challenge - balancing work/life and saying no to stuff you want to do to not make yourself crazy busy. Also challenging is remaining calm when you are doing terrible, mundane shit like changing a brief back to the way you originally wrote it because the partner changed his mind on things. Example: I recently wrote a 70 page document that I organized in what I thought was the best and most logical way. Partner disagreed and I spent 10 hours on a weekend when I was traveling out of town fixing it. Sent it Sunday night at 11 pm. Monday morning at 10 am he asked to go back to the way it was. Just had to grin and bear it because of who this guy was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059142) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:16 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house Damn that sucks. Must have ruined your vacation weekend lol.
When you say taking on more, can you elaborate? Like cases and responsibilities are not necessarily always assigned? Are you able to branch out of your practice area and do other law areas? Like if you are doing regulatory work for hospitals can u work on a typical commercial litigation issue? |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:26 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath In any event, I'll bite. A MTD usually takes us 30 days. Typically, there will be 1 round of junior partner comments, 2 rounds of senior partner comments, then client comments, then final comments from the partner. So really I have about 2 weeks to put together the motion before the junior partner takes alook, which--in a big securities fraud case--is around 50 pages. A summary judgment motion should take about 6 weeks, but we typically have to do them in 30 days and the review schedule is similar, but the worst part is doing the facts/56.1 statement and rounding up all the stupid evidence you need for that, which includes both documents and deposition testimony. Reply briefs are also bad because we typically only have 2 weeks and we can't prepare in advance that much. Those, I usually have to write in a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058899) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:30 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house Interesting.. Definitely right on about the worst part doing the facts--sifting through endless deposition testimony must be absolutely tedious. I am curious though about why the client would want to even review something as technical as a SD motion (probably the statement of facts is an exception) since they probably wouldn't even know all the jargon and caselaw discussion going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058926) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Bro, our clients are former federal clerks and Cravath associates who now work for investment banks, hedge funds, etc. They are not being kept up at night trying to figure out what we mean when we say no material issues of fact remain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058940) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:36 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol nice. Let's say you disagree with the partner or junior associate about a specific aspect of the brief writing--is dissent tolerated? Would u risk telling your partner that u disagree? Like for example X case should not be cited or this case instead should be cited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29058966) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:46 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Is there a particular number of subthread poasts you are aiming for?
If I disagree with someone, I tell them. I am not an ass kisser and I don't take shit from people. If I think using a case is going to cause us to lose, I should be able to give the partner a cogent explanation of why I think that. If I can't convince the partner (who has been practicing law and thinking like a federal judge for 40 years) the case is terrible for us, then it's ipso facto not a problem.
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:50 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house No I am having a substantive conversation with you. Thanks.
Good point very well. Given the document intensive nature of securities fraud cases, how different would you say your work is from a staff attorney in terms of responsibility? Like what does a staff attorney do that associates don't? |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Staff attorneys review documents. I write briefs, meet with clients, etc. It is a world of difference. The most substantive task I'd let a staff attorney do is gin up a first draft of responses/objections to document requests or RFAs. They don't get to do shit except possibly manage contract attorneys and coordinate me responding to their annoying as shit questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059071) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:55 AM Author: big white step-uncle's house looool!
If you put your handsome salary side by side with your quality of life, which outweighs what? Like do you find yourself sacrificing alot of things you would enjoy in life because of the crazy time commitment you have to put up with in biglaw? |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath I like what I do and the money is good. Hours don't bother me at all. What bothers me is bitching from my wife who works less than I do and who complains when I'm not home until 9 as if that is late. Trying to get into a routine where I get to office by 7:30 and leave at 7 but that is tough given the nature of being a senior associate and the fact that it's winter and dark in the morning now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059125) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house lol. Do you ever feel the day dragging on at work or does it usually fly by because of the amount of work you have to do get done? And how are cases assigned to associates in biglaw? Is there like a pod (i.e., senior partner with five associates to one case)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059139) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:07 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath It absolutely flies by for me. There are not enough hours in the day. I wish days were 36 hours long so I could get all the shit I need to get done and leave and go to the events I really want to go to. Most cases are sr. partner, jr. partner or sr. associate, and then midlevel or junior associate. Due to the recession and deferred hiring etc. there were not a lot of juniors for a while so now having a first year on a real case (and not just doing doc review or one-off research assignments) is pretty uncommon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059153) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:13 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house You definitely embody the Protestant work ethic a la Weber. This is my last question: You said you come to the office at about 7:30-8:00 in the morning. can you give a serious breakdown of how a typically workday goes in an hourly sense? I mean, how often are u doing substantive work? I'm assuming client meetings are a bunch of flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059173) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:25 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Poasting in an historic thread where I have drawn SSM out to a promised last question in a subthread wasteland!
I already provided the breakdown of a typical day. In a given day of 9-10 billable hours, I probably spend 7-8 hours doing real research or drafting/revising memos, briefs, or substantive emails. The rest of the time is usually meetings and calls with partners/associates, reading stuff (including looking at discovery), client-related stuff, firm related stuff, mentoring/providing feedback to jr associates, etc. It varies a lot by the day. When we are in the throes of discovery, I can spend 7 hours preparing a deponent and then have another 7 hours of shit to do when I get back to my desk at 4:30 p.m., which blows. On the other hand, there were weeks in August where I did nothing but work on a brief without interruption.
BTW in-person client meetings are not flame and almost always entail a bunch of bullshit running around the night before making sure that binders, handouts, and other shit is prepared and has been checked for quality. Also, for telephonic meetings, some partners will ask for bullets/agendas beforehand which is very tedious. |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house Sounds interesting, particularly the real research part or writing briefs. I wonder whether interactions with others in the firm can be dreadful, particularly where they have insufferable personalities.
What are the common mistakes you notice from jr associates? Any egregious ones?
I think you should stop thinking this is a wasteland. I've learned alot from your poasts. Thanks. |
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Date: November 4th, 2015 2:14 PM Author: big white step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29109202) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: histrionic chartreuse stage weed whacker niggas, why do you answer his questions...have you not figured it out yet or just bored? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059141) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:11 PM Author: Light crawly wagecucks public bath Bored and one of the few redeeming qualities of this place is its institutional knowledge. If even one of the shithead law students I interview shows up more prepared and refrains from asking asinine questions, I will consider this thread a success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#29059167) |
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Date: February 4th, 2021 2:24 PM Author: citrine business firm azn It's terrible. Like you can watch your own soul dying BUT if you're at Wachtell the $ is so good it kind of doesn't matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022903&forum_id=2#41885836) |
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