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How Did USSR Beat USA in Olympic Basketball in 1988?
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Date: August 19th, 2016 5:01 AM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life yes i know it wasnt nba players, but we had robinson, majerle, reid, anderson, richmond, manning, etc. on this team. how did are ncca players lose to the commies?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-28-USA-URS
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Date: August 19th, 2016 6:27 AM Author: Low-t outnumbered round eye Coach Bobby Knight /thread |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 7:59 AM Author: boyish corner chad huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31221001) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:49 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222692) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:05 PM Author: hairraiser background story more like Coach John TTThompson
Knight had nothing to do with that team |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 6:51 AM Author: heady self-centered house Reagan's Amerika (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31220905) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 7:00 AM Author: Razzle office pocket flask You seriously don't know this story inside out? Are you trolling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31220919) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:50 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life (low iq schtick)
i think you're confusing the infamous 72 game for the 88 game. |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:50 PM Author: Federal buff faggotry 1988 =/= 1972 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222703) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:18 PM Author: Histrionic Magical Lodge Dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222939) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 8:03 AM Author: boyish corner chad according to Steve Alford in his book, Arvydas Sabonis would have been an NBA MVP caliber player before he hurt his knees
Sarunas Marciulionis was a pretty good NBA player when he came over too |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:52 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life hmm, interesting. but the soviet team lost by 13 to yugoslavia, i see. they couldnt have been that good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222712) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:53 PM Author: Violent pisswyrm center 88 Yugoslav team was pretty good, dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222723) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:00 PM Author: boyish corner chad http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-18-YUG-URS
http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-30-YUG-URS
lost one, won one against a Yugoslavia team that had
Drazen Petrovic (who was really good in the NBA before he died in a car accident)
Divac
Dino Radja
and a young Toni Kukoc
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they were really good too
and, of course, they didn't all go to the NBA and become ineligible once they turned 22 like the US players
they also had a lot more experience playing together than the US team did, they weren't thrown together as a team a month before the Olympics like the US team was
they were legitimately more experienced and better than us
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:02 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222805) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 12:52 PM Author: filthy olive travel guidebook personal credit line Petrovic would have been the first GREAT foreign player if not for that car accident. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31242706) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:52 PM Author: Violent pisswyrm center Yeah, they were just better than us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222716) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:56 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life wikipedia says:
"The United States was a major favorite to win it all with odds at -850."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_1988_Summer_Olympics
was the soviet team just underrated then? |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 12:58 PM Author: Violent pisswyrm center Yes. Odds makers were Americans. Look at the Yugoslav team that the soviets beat by 13 in the gold medal game. Dino radja, drazen petrovic, Toni kukoc and Vlade divac. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222770) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:01 PM Author: boyish corner chad cr, odd makers are setting odds for a US betting public which probably didn't have any idea how good those teams were (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222794) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:01 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life this is bizarre. did we not, like, have any scouting info on the commie teams back then and not know who any of these guys were?
edit: odds geared for idiot americans would make sense., |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:05 PM Author: Violent pisswyrm center I think we were overconfident. When we lost we knew the rest of the world had caught up to us and foreign players were just starting to enter the NBA. Thus, four years later, we had the dream team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222839) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:06 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life i guess. but rest of the world catching up to us saved the nba in the 2000s when we realized we could import whites from abroad when the nba was filled with thugs and had a bad rap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222850) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:11 PM Author: hairraiser background story what was up with Puerto Rico? Beat Yugoslovia, lost to USSR in OT and then got crushed by USA in playoffs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222886) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:14 PM Author: kink-friendly point Pro NBA players were barred from playing in Olympic basketball up until 92. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222908) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:17 PM Author: hairraiser background story keep in mind that the foreign players were basically pros and playing against college kids. USSR guys were 24-30 years old, while USA guys were 20-22. That's significant. One of our guards was only 6 feet and 149 lbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222928) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 2:22 PM Author: Black apoplectic karate rigpig cry me a river they weren't basically pros because they were older. |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:23 PM Author: boyish corner chad looking at it
I guess USSR boycotted the 84 games in LA
and of course they hadn't played eachother in 80 because the US boycott
its not obvious when the last time before 88 that the USSR had matched itself up against US competition
so it was probably hard to put in context how good they were |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:24 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life another good point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222991) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:29 PM Author: boyish corner chad I guess college teams would occasionally tour over there and play them in the summer
that was the source of Alford's assessment, I guess Indiana went on a world wide summer tour in something like 85, one of the games matched them up against Sabonis, and Alford was blown away by how good he was |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:24 PM Author: Walnut Kitchen Goal In Life XO, a pretty decent source of chill, intelligent, level-headed sportsmos. thx guyz. 180 thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31222994) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 1:31 PM Author: Dashing Indigo Location Really Tough Guy Sabonis was awesome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31223038) |
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Date: August 19th, 2016 2:23 PM Author: Concupiscible institution party of the first part roids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31223317) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 12:40 PM Author: boyish corner chad the amateur rules in existence before 1992 seem totally murky
from the Dream Teams wiki:
Background[edit]
Before the 1992 games, only amateur players were allowed to play on the men's Olympic basketball team. At the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, the United States national basketball team, made up of college stars, finished in third place.[6] The defeat increased calls for professionals to be allowed to play in the Olympics. Borislav Stankoviæ of FIBA advocated for this for years.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team#Background
yet, that seems totally wrong - check out the Spanish roster (so it wasn't just a 'there are no paid professionals in communist countries')
http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/teams/ESP/1988
by my math ages on the team are 20, 27, 25, 26, 29, 33, 22, 20, 23, 29, 30, 24 (308/12 = average age 25.67)
for context, US team http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/teams/USA/1988 (21, 20, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 20, 23, 23, 20, 23) (258/12 = 21.5)
second leading scorer for Spain in 88 was Juan Antonio San Epifanio who was 29 at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Antonio_San_Epifanio tells me had been playing for FC Barcelona since 1979, and was Mister Europa in 1984
relatively certain you don't play for free for FC Barcelona, so why was he even eligible for the Olympics?
it appears that amateur basically meant 'not in the NBA'
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 12:51 PM Author: boyish corner chad fwiw USSR http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/teams/URS/1988
29 + 29 + 23 + 28 + 24 + 24 + 31 + 23 + 23 + 30 + 23 + 24 = 311/12 = 25.91 average age
Marciulionis and Sabonis (the two best players) were 24 and 23, or 2 of the youngest guys on that team |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 12:55 PM Author: spectacular shrine boiling water Maybe the amateurs only rule was self imposed by the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31242715) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 1:11 PM Author: boyish corner chad yeah, that's all I can figure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31242733) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 1:22 PM Author: Azure bull headed orchestra pit volcanic crater It was an outdated and unenforceable rule that everyone flouted. By the mid 80's the top track athletes were making millions to run races. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3326482&forum_id=2#31242794) |