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Date: February 10th, 2006 10:57 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
I find xoxohth and message boards like it reprehensible. They have ruined the once-noble practice of law by turning it into a naked status contest.
I'm a hiring partner at a northeastern law firm. Recently, as you all may know, salaries in "big law" have been increasing, lately, and $145k is likely to become the new standard. This I find sickening: do you kids realize how privileged you would be to earn $100k at 25, much less $125k? My parents were both lawyers and didn't crack six figures until they were in their FIFTIES, and they brought me up just fine.
Websites like this one allow law students to "comparison shop" on salaries and status. It turns hiring and recruiting, for us, into an immoral numbers game. It has ruined the ability of small firms to recruit top law students, and the obsession over "Profits Per Partner" means that a firm that has a couple of bad years goes into the toilet in terms of reputation, clientele, and standing. It's utterly offensive to any person with even a smidgen of conscience.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you shallow, materialistic, spoiled fucking brats. You have no souls.
Sincerely,
-Patrick E.S. Vine
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053208) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 10:58 PM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
hahahahahaha
who are you really?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053217) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 10:59 PM Author: arousing amber center
1) Flame
2) Get Fisted
3) If not flame, see 2)
4) hth
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053224)
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Date: February 10th, 2006 10:59 PM Author: Angry indecent french chef
perhaps when you stop treating associates as costs, we won't look at law firms as institutions.
considering the salaries other kids our age who didn't have to go to law school get in ibanking and trading, i'm sure you can understand our insecurity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053227) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
So why are you comparing your salaries to those of I-bankers and traders, who have to work inhumane hours at tedious work? Lawyers actually get to have a life outside of work, and the work is significantly more interesting.
We don't look at associates as costs. We look at them as future partners. Of course, most of them don't end up as this, but that's not our fault.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053285) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
unparalleled earning opps? what are smoking?
plumbers make more than most lawyers
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053430) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: at-the-ready razzle-dazzle stage goyim
it's not moot, you mediocre flamer, because it demonstrates that firms would not make everyone partner even if everyone were qualified.
you probably write -- not wrote -- stupid shit like that on your exams. you tell the professor that his fact pattern is silly because it would never happen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053554) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:46 PM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
"intellectual endowment"
your shtick had promise
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053739) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:31 AM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
HA!
LEITERPWN3D!!!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054162) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:39 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
"I'm a hiring partner at a northeastern law firm."
I didn't mean northeastern Houston.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054240) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
It's rancid flame.
btw, did your car ever start?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053360) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: Pea-brained filthy hospital antidepressant drug
it's awful that somebody is putting time into this flame is what i meant.
it was the battery. i'm a moron.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053367) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:17 PM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
the flame is awful: the expenditure of effort to make it is equally awful
not a moron: it never happened to you before, and your battery was not that old
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053398) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: at-the-ready razzle-dazzle stage goyim
maybe you should join the ama instead.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053290) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: kink-friendly quadroon
"This I find sickening: do you kids realize how privileged you would be to earn $100k at 25, much less $125k? My parents were both lawyers and didn't crack six figures until they were in their FIFTIES, and they brought me up just fine."
INFLATION MOTHER FUCKER.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053374) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: vivacious cream mood
why to NBA players make millions?
because the owners make hundreds of millions.
overpaid partners earn their fat undeserved salaries off of associates' backs. the $125k-$250k that 1st through 10th year associates make is a SMALL fraction of the amount the partners rake in from the billables they generate.
if you wanna give the associates a paycut, take a paycut yourself.
or, more to the point, when you want to post shit flame, learn some basic law firm economics before you mouth off.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053375) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:24 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
No, because it actually costs a lot of money to train and recruit associates. What, do you think those fancy restaurants provide the meals in the summer for free, as some gesture of good will? No.
During the first three years, associates are huge money-LOSERS, especially given all the things they fuck up that we have to fix. They're money-winners in the next few years, but they should be; they have to pay off their debts.
"if you wanna give the associates a paycut, take a paycut yourself."
This makes no sense. If everyone's pay were cut, then the money would just go back to the equity partners. Do you have any idea how partnerships work?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053487) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:24 AM Author: Angry indecent french chef
"No, because it actually costs a lot of money to train and recruit associates. What, do you think those fancy restaurants provide the meals in the summer for free, as some gesture of good will? No."
This is the typical crap that law firms dish out. We had a long thread debating this at one point, and I tended to agree with the people who say that this is bullshit. You guys still earn tons of money off first years. That PPP number doesn't come entirely from partner's schmoozing.
" If everyone's pay were cut, then the money would just go back to the equity partners. "
I think the poster was suggesting that you raise associate salaries, which would end up reducing your PPP because you'd have less profits.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054580) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:26 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
"I think the poster was suggesting that you raise associate salaries, which would end up reducing your PPP because you'd have less profits."
Now, why would we do that? When I was an associate, partners didn't cut their salaries so I, special little me, could have a fatter paycheck. If I cut the current crop a break, I'm putting myself at a severe loss.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054602) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:20 PM Author: yellow multi-colored pocket flask karate Subject: Cost
How much did your parents have to pay for lawschool?
Do you realize through the magic of interest, people can come out with HUGE six figure loans, which just keep magically expanding every single month, (a 7% interest rate is nothing to joke about).
You say kids are privileged to be making that much money, but is it really a privilege to be basically an indentured servant to your loan creditor?
Times have changed, and the world needs to keep adjusting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5056600) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:01 PM Author: pink factory reset button
OP has down syndrome or something. That post made absolutely no sense.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053240) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:04 PM Author: Electric pearl field selfie
180. Best thread ever.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053268) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: dun irradiated marketing idea mother
Purchasing Power Parity. 100K in the 50's is at least 750 k today.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053362) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:40 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Right, and that's combined. Also, they were in a line of work (PI) where money came in spurts, and might not come at all for some time. So there was a lot of risk involved (by "risk" I mean variance, aka standard deviation) and they spent several decades making much less than that.
$200-250k is solid for a couple in their fifties, but it's not extravagant. Two biglaw associates make that in their first year. My point is that it took them three decades to get up to a level of comfort you kids take for granted, and often consider not good enough.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053673) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:42 PM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
your dad came in spurts too
he should have stopped before he conceived you
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053689) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:47 PM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
I'm don't have to "work" for a living
thanks for playing though
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053753) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:48 PM Author: carnelian mediation potus
We're not in PI.
And there's no way in hell you're a firm lawyer, let alone a partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053755) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy snowy theater stage kitty cat
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053384) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
ha
I thought the op was you, trolling.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053403) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:22 PM Author: flesh halford
I'm just a lowly contract attorney, Patrick. Do you hate me too?!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053463) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: misunderstood fear-inspiring space
In other breaking news, bacon is fattening
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053473) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
is this NYCfan?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053539) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: gay unhinged gaming laptop
This is the worst thread I've ever read. You sir, are an arrogant, ill-minded, smug old fucker who thinks your age makes you superior to other people because, after looking back upon a failed life, you've realized that years are all you have.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053564) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:37 PM Author: Carmine ladyboy
I love how he thinks its a priviledge to work biglaw hours for what amounts to $45-50 an hour.
65 hours a week 50 weeks a year is 3250 hours. Divide 145,000 by that! This is before taxes to!
Now I will be making 1/2 this per hour and I sure as hell dont see it as a priviledge and I wouldnt even see is a such if I was making biglaw money.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053649) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:44 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Oh, $45-50/hour at 25, for intellectually stimulating work with no risk of physical injury in comfortable conditions, and with great exit options. Woe surely is you!
When I was growing up, we HAD to take real jobs in order to pay for college: UPS, truck driving during the summer, and bartending during the year. (You could bartend at 18 back then.) So we appreciated law because we had a basis for comparison. You kids have never worked real jobs before, so when you come in and it's not like undergrad, whcih babies you, you shit your pants.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053706) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:49 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
If you worked hard in REAL JOBS with real people, you'd know that $45-50/hour, with low variance, for a 25-year-old is a sweet deal. This is especially true when the work is intellectually stimulating and safe. Last time I checked, lawyers fall into machinery and die at their jobs.
If you will "continue to do so", work hard that is, you shouldn't have any objections to what I'm saying, because you'll have no problem making partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053767) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:55 PM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
That message was in response to the one below. It ended up in the wrong place. Weird.
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:45 PM
Author: Drewsucksoe is a virgin faggot
You're a fucking idiot, way to make assumptions about everyone in a given age group. Some of us have worked hard and will continue to do so. Fuck you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053842)
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: pink factory reset button
While it is true that our generation has never performed manual labor. We have not been living slothful or unproductive lives. We have focussed on our studies exclusively, and as a result, we are all Philosopher Kings.
This is the necessary path to take in contemporary times. With the world a smaller place due to globalization, philosopher kings are needed at the nucleus to serve the 6 billion+ international market. Needless to say the world's nucleus, or financial center, is America.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053788) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:00 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
"We have focussed on our studies exclusively, and as a result, we are all Philosopher Kings."
"Philosopher Kings"? Do you brats even know where that phrase comes from?
I can't believe you just said that. You kids don't have the right to call yourself "philosopher kings"; you let MTV and Comedy Central pass as philosophy. As for your "studies", most of you study such useless garbage in college, and don't even go to class half the time. You're not fooling anyone.
"With the world a smaller place due to globalization, philosopher kings are needed at the nucleus to serve the 6 billion+ international market."
Yes. I'm sure 6+ billion people, 75% of whom just worry about getting the day's food, are all going to stop in unison to listen to a bunch of spoiled, jejune, smarter-than-thou "philosopher kings" for how they should conduct their lives. At least the beatniks and the hippies knew they were irrelevant.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053891) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:08 AM Author: Carmine ladyboy
dude you are a an American dont pretend that you know hardship because you have no fucking idea. You did shit to earn your position in life when compared to what some people go through, okay. Bartending and working for UPS is nothing compared to what people in other countries consider normal. Go dig with a handmade shovel for 8 hours a day in a Ukrainian coal mine for a few years while earning an engineering degree at night and then get back to me.
Americans are a really funny people when it comes to thinking they know hard times because there isnt a person in this country who has went through truly hard times. Even the homeless in this society are in the top 20% of income earners world wide!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053951) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:13 AM Author: pink factory reset button
Damn kids. They're all alike...
But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of a philosopher king or hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?
I am a philosopher king, enter my world...
Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me...
Damn underachiever. They're all alike.
I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."
Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.
I made a discovery today. I found a computer and database of infinite knowledge, known as the internet. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...
Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike.
And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...
Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike...
You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.
I am a philosopher king, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053993) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:29 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Who would those be?
I don't follow this board and only know of 174 and pensive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054140) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:35 AM Author: ungodly school
You don't have to know about it. I didn't. But I knew that asking the question you did was stupid. You only have to know how to use the most popular tool on the internet.
Old people sure are stupid these days.
Then again, you're not old. You're an xoxohth poster.
But I'll play along just for fun.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054202) |
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Date: April 27th, 2006 5:10 AM Author: Smoky idiotic location
hahahahaha
You thought it was real?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5662526) |
Date: February 10th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
I'll humor the troll:
It was actually the original Greedy Associates who fucked things up in the OP's view, a decade ago. Trot out the old diatribes against Gunderson and the $125K starting salary.
Renada is far more to blame than the law students posting here. In fact, so is the OP. Since the 1st years' salaries were jacked up, the salaries of more senior associates were jacked up in proportion, to stop their whining and crying.
So, OP, look at the greedy thieving bastard in the mirror before you post here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053778) |
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Date: February 10th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: olive confused juggernaut
"Renada is far more to blame than the law students posting here."
LMAO
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053812) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:03 AM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
Associates are the Holsteins, the partners run the milking machines.
hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053923) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:35 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Your analogy is utterly worthless; it makes no sense. Cows are milked heavily and then slaughtered for beef. Associates are given lots of money in a cushy job, only to be promoted to partner where they can be given MORE money for a cushy job.
Cows don't survive slaughter. I survived my associate years; I made extra efforts to do the work well, and I enjoyed them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054197) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:36 AM Author: Pearly Locale Boiling Water
associates have a cushy job, yet you "survived" yours?
word is billables have gone up while partnerhip opportunities are dimmer than ever. If anything your time as an associate was cushy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054218) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:44 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
My associate years were good. I like being a partner better, obviously, but it was better than mere "survival". I think, though, that my wife and my faith were invaluable in making me as productive and optimistic as I needed to be to become this successful.
Billables have gone up because people have gotten lazier and are doing less work per hour. Out of 100 billed hours, 15 are spent on the Internet, at this Fark.com site or whatever is all the rage these days, 10 are spent discussing movies on the cell phone, and 10 more are spent on extraneous trips to the coffee machine. So, of course billables are going up, given all the stuff that gets billed as "work" around a firm.
Partnership opportunities are dim for the same reasons: law schools have relaxed their standards, and associates are dumber, lazier, and with worse values than ever. Fewer of them make partner because most of them don't deserve it at all.
My time as an associate was NOT cushy. The percentages may have been better, but the competition was steep. People worked hard, real hard. Today, you kids can half-ass it and still get partner by your 9th year or so.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054279) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:51 AM Author: Pearly Locale Boiling Water
right and clients don't complain?
if anything associates are getting more efficient. The very technology that you deride only serves as an electronic leash on today's "soft" associates. Hitting the books? Why bother when you have westlaw and lexis, which enables us to work at an efficiency your generation could never dream of. Blackberries? cellphones? we can even do work at home! We are on call 24 hours a day, to fully "service" the client, the very one you think we disrespect. Kids today work hard, damned hard. And we're twice as efficient as your generation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054321) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:03 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
We give you those Blackberries and cell phones to make your lives more convenient, and the privilege of working at home should not be underestimated. Even when I was going through the process, if I wanted to work on a Saturday or Sunday, I had to spend 30 minutes, each way, getting into the office. So please don't complain, because we're giving you great opportunities, and to whine about the fact that we give you TOO MANY of them is just idiocy.
I'm sorry, but I don't think you kids work hard. You were raised by MTV, and you think posting on Fark.com constitutes acceptable workplace behavior.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054413) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:06 AM Author: Pearly Locale Boiling Water Subject: you forgot to mention
your 10 mile trek in the snow.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054442)
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:49 AM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife Subject: "great exit options"
Oscar Meyer, Eckrich, Cudahy, Hillshire Farms
If the pyramid scheme of hiring 3Ls and squeezing the milk out of them didn't make law firms obscene sums of money, they wouldn't do it.
HTH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054311) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:01 AM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
There are few in-house jobs for litigators.
hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054396) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:37 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
It's probably rare because most lawyers don't want to suffer the long hours and pressure of investment banking. Law wins in terms of lifestyle and job security.
A mediocre student at a good school can become an investment banker right out of college. Whereas law takes brains and effort. So, pretty much any lawyer can be an investment banker if he wants.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054672) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:06 AM Author: Turquoise degenerate legal warrant
Finally, someone speaks the truth. You are all a bunch of whiney fucks who know absolutely nothing about the real world, let alone the legal world, and you certainly wouldn't know a god damn thing about actually doing something called work. You expect everyone to hand everything to you and then fucking whine about it when it isn't handed to you in that idealized little packaged form that you have created in your twisted, demented little heads. I hope every single one of those coveted firms ding you at OCI or fire you within the year after you are hired when the firm finds out what pathetic little ingrates you people really are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053943) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:34 AM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
I stopped reading after "If."
but yeah, something like that
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054188) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:11 AM Author: Carmine ladyboy
there is absolutely nothing in life that you need to be grateful for because you either a)earned it with your own sweat or b) it fell into your lap thanks to the law of large number in which case there is no point in being grateful to the law of averages since it isnt a living breathing thing.
Conversely when bad shit happens you either a)did something that brought it on or b) the law of large number fucked you for a change.
Gratitude is a TTT religous/philisophical/puritanical idea for which there is very little logic basis.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053976)
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:15 AM Author: Carmine ladyboy
" or fire you within the year after you are hired when the firm finds out what pathetic little INGRATES you people really are."
You could have fooled me.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054001) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:13 AM Author: Stimulating Onyx Home
Ok, after having read the board all day, i think i have this mess figured out.
the OP = 174 = Kanye West.
hope that helps.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5053994) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:15 AM Author: ebony tank clown
"the obsession over "Profits Per Partner" means that a firm that has a couple of bad years goes into the toilet in terms of reputation, clientele, and standing."
yeah, i heard that chase is severing all ties w/milbank because someone here said they were a ttt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054008) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:18 AM Author: arousing amber center
OP, your flame sucks but you got tons of replies. That deserves some sort of recognition, I suppose.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054031) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:21 AM Author: Stimulating Onyx Home
the weakest point in the flame is where he pretends to be a mature adult with kids.
seriously, the mature adult with kids and a responsible attitude is not posting here. it is so implausible that it makes the flame feel forced.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054047) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:25 AM Author: Razzmatazz cheese-eating hominid mad-dog skullcap
Transparent and awful flame.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054092) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:25 AM Author: ungodly school
then don't pay so much. it's your firm; take control. no one's forcing you to pay $145k. go ahead an pay $100k. go look for those earnest souls with justice in their veins. there's nothing stopping you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054098) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:01 AM Author: ungodly school
And law firms spend money on electricity, water, and office space. They get something useful from it. But they aren't so foolish as to think that the money spent on those things is income. They're requisites of doing business, just as a law school education is necessary for a lawyer to go about his business. And we shouldn't be so foolish as to think that the money spent on that education should count as income.
And don't ever use an unnecessary shitball of negatives like that again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054395) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:46 AM Author: ungodly school
God, you're so fucking stupid. Necessity exists only in relation to some goal or purpose.
Electricity, water, and office space are necessary to the operation of a modern law office. Law school is necessary for one to work as a lawyer.
Your blue collar comment is a red herring.
You have a sub-par intellect.
Well, you have a sub-par intellect or you're intellectually dishonest. You conveniently didn't address office space. Why? It's pretty clear.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054736) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:50 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Office space is also a necessity for a firm.
Law school is necessary if you want to work *as a lawyer*, but you didn't have to enter law. You could have chosen to work as something else, like a teacher or doctor. Entry into this profession is a privilege, not a right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054768) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:58 AM Author: ungodly school
"Office space is also a necessity for a firm."
A legal education is necessary for lawyers.
"Law school is necessary if you want to work *as a lawyer*, but you didn't have to enter law."
Electricity, water, and office space are necessary if you want to operate a business *as a law firm*, but you don't have to run a law firm.
"You could have chosen to work as something else..."
You could have chosen to run a different business.
"...like a teacher or doctor."
...like a gas station or hot dog seller.
"Entry into this profession is a privilege, not a right."
Irrelevant. You're getting your ass kicked. You either will be or are a shitty lawyer. There's no doubt about that. The point is that costs of doing business are not properly called income in this case.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054838) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:05 AM Author: indigo rigpig
You got slaughtered. You've fallen back to a bad mitigation strategy.
Some bright lawyer you are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054890) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:11 AM Author: ungodly school
Yeah, there are benefits to electricity, water, and office space, too. The point, to which the first sentence of your post concedes, is that my claim regarding the accounting of income was right.
"If anything, law school is underpriced."
It's so underpriced that applications to law school are dropping!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054924) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:33 AM Author: ungodly school
Of course they'll want to work for you! You're going to look for those earnest souls, remember?
But then you say, "This is exactly why we pay you kids such inflated, undeserved salaries." Then quit bitching. You're being rewarded for what you're paying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054177) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:27 AM Author: Tripping Brass Depressive
I find it amusing to think that, if the OP were to compete in the current law school admissions climate, he wouldn't have gotten into his school. The OP forgets who he is talking to: the upper rung. We know how to work for success, we wouldn't be elite if we didn't.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054121) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:33 AM Author: odious poppy crackhouse prole
ok, how much should we get paid?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054181) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:49 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
1st-4th year: $65k to start, with a $10k jump each year. Up to $20k bonuses at year's end.
5th-8th year: $15k jump after that, similar bonuses. This gets you to $155k by the end of your 8th year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054312) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:48 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
In most of the country:
Living: $1000/month
Food: $200/month
Gas/Bills/necessities: $300/month
It seems that one can do well on much less than $65k.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054753) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:00 AM Author: ungodly school
Living: $1000/month --> in a sub-median house.
And there's no money for retirement and savings. Sounds like a great scheme you've envisioned.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054859) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 3:21 PM Author: maniacal piazza
"I enjoy my work too much to think about retirement."
Because how much one 'likes' their work in their 40s outweighs being able to pay for food, medication, and general living expenses in their 80s.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5057777) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:07 AM Author: indigo rigpig
The average doctor makes about 60% to 80% more than the average lawyer (depending on who's counting).
What professors and teachers think is irrelevant.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054896) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 3:25 PM Author: maniacal piazza
"A lot of people would go through 7 years of higher education for that salary."
This makes no sense. The only reason someone would go through 7 years for that kind of salary is if the difference between that and the salary they could have gotten otherwise was substantial. You are completely ignoring the opportunity cost here. Since many law students could easily have achieved $47K after merely 4 years of higher education, there would be no incentive to go through the work and struggle of three more years of school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5057811) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 7:41 AM Author: Primrose House-broken Internal Respiration Meetinghouse
this is not unreasonable if you run a firm where:
odds of partnership are far higher;
hours are lower;
and
clients are billed less
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055668) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2006 10:51 PM Author: Orange Nursing Home Therapy Subject: This is all BS
A friend's son linked me to this particular post which he got off of the greedyassociates site.
This guy is either pulling your collective chains or he is the most misinformed partner I have ever encountered.
Partnership prospects: any intellectually honest partner will acknowledge that partnership is not a pure meritocracy (or even popularity contest)... luck, business environment, and the firm's overall business plan play a pretty large role in the partnership decision and if you are in the right place at the right time, your chances of partnership are better than a more meritorious associate who is in the wrong department. The idea that they would make every associate a partner if they had the raw ability and worked really hard is total bullsh*t and most people realize it by the time they are mid-level associates.
career oportunities, you guys are all over-paid BUT the likelihood is that after about 5 or 6 years you will be taking a pretty large pay cut and will have saved AT MOST a couple of hundred thousand dollars, your I-banking counterparts see the axe fall a little sooner (about their 4th year) but they can squirrel away a million in that time if they do not live extravagantly. The idea that any significant percentage of biglaw associates go to i-banking, in house positions and become partners at lower tier firms is just not true. You are very likely to take a significant pay cut some time around your 5th or 6th year, when I left biglaw in my 6th year, there were only 6 people left from my first year class. Today, less than 10 of the 70 first years ended up at an I'bank or as partner in a firm with a name you would recognize, NONE made partner at the firm we started in. The rest end in various other places that involve a pay cut of some sort.
65K is just a ridiculous starting salary. If the poster is indeed 43 years old then this is approximately what his starting salary was when HE was a first year associate.
quality of work: the work is not really all that interesting and intellectually stimulating, there are just really big dollar figures attached to the deals. The deals are really complicated and neat to start with but by the time you are doing your 5th similar deal at 10 p.m. on Sunday, its stops being so much fun.
profitablity of associates: don't fool yourself, you are utterly unprofitable during your first year; most of you will be profitable by your second year. Leverage is an indispensible part of biglaw's economic formula, you just don't get to 3 million dollars in profits per partner without leverage.
Anyone who thinks of professions (especially biglaw) in terms of nobility is even more of a prestige whore than first year assocaites tend to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5241061) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 12:56 AM Author: Saffron mad cow disease ticket booth
youre an idiot if you think this board has any effect on anything except the friday nights of a few uptight douchebag law students
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054354) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 1:07 AM Author: olive confused juggernaut
What is your opinion of the poster 174?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054450) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:47 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
What's a prestige whore?
I agree that they come off as spoiled, rich assholes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054741) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:04 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
So pensive's not a law student? Anyway, isn't there some kind of contradiction between being in academic grad school and being a classist?
"Loser-fuckers". That sounds like an insult a 2-year-old would invent.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054881) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:37 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
I had heard "third-tier toilet" before. I just never made the connection.
I wouldn't call myself "versed", but I've read sporadic threads and there were some where people were called pensive or 174 when, at least by name, they didn't seem to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055084) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 1:13 AM Author: indigo rigpig
This reminds me of Internet Badass. Even after it was clear that it was a flame (3rd reply in this case), people would still keep feeding it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054495) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 1:14 AM Author: Turquoise degenerate legal warrant
What are the top three things you look for when interviewing a potential new associate? What are some of the wrong things to do that wouldn't necessarily seem obvious? How can someone really ace an interview?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054500) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:20 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
1. We look for an analytical mind. That's different from being smart. A person needs to make it clear that he has the analytical sort of mindset law requires. Most law students don't.
2. We look for evidence of a work ethic. Too many kids these days skirt through law schools... especially Harvard and Yale. We look for someone who can stay late or put in extra effort to get a job done right.
3. Good judgment.
Wrong things: don't talk about money or class, even by indirect association. Don't try to show off your knowledge of sailing or your prestigious lineage. We're not that impressed. We just care about the work you will do for us.
Acing an interview: be who you are, but be your best self. Treat the interview with seriousness and respect as if you were meeting a prospective wife's parents.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054552) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:22 AM Author: indigo rigpig
"especially Harvard and Yale"
A very amateurish jab.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054565) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:31 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
The kids at my firm from those law schools have all been utterly worthless.
Stanford kids are good, though. They work hard and they know their place.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054632) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:32 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
Good luck! Let us know how it goes!
Hey, check back to this thread in about an hour. I'm working on something that should help young students understand law.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054642) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 1:40 AM Author: Angry indecent french chef
You said earlier that your faith helped you overcome the difficult associate years. I'd like to hear more about this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054698) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:48 AM Author: Angry indecent french chef
What were your unrealistic expectations? Sounds like you made partner - not too shabby.
I always think going to a firm and hoping to make partner is, in itself, an unrealistic expectation these days, especially at a V10 in NYC.
I only ask about the faith thing because I am not married and probably won't be until i'm in my early 30s... but i'm pretty pissed at the church so i'm currently on my own as far as the self sorta stuff.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054752) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:01 AM Author: Angry indecent french chef
that's fair. I think I've given up on most of that already, except the occasionally dream that i'll be a Senator or a CEO. But I think that is more of a daydream than an expectaion.
unfortunately, most law school kids want to be partner, and given the statistics their chances are awful low. I think its a little distressing that you think so many kids show up and are lazy. I know a fair number who are not, but I'm not sure we are going to do any better as far as partnership is concerned.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054862) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:13 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
These kids, who seem hardworking and don't make partner, aren't. They got into Ivy League colleges and top law schools by making it look like they were doing something important, that they were smart and on top of shit. They really have nothing to them whatsoever, and when they have to get set to real work, that actually affects the world, they can't do it.
No one who works hard gets shut out of partnership; the system is entirely fair and meritocratic. People who can't handle meritocracy, because they come up on the short end in talent, are the ones who end up complaining about the supposed unfairness of the system. If you work hard, you will make partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054938) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:19 AM Author: Angry indecent french chef
hmm... now I really think you are a partner.
well, I didn't go to an ivy league college so perhaps this is an advantage. my theory on this, though, is to go into it and work hard - if i make partner, great, but given that is at least 10 years down the road its stupid of me to worry about it now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054986) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:07 AM Author: alcoholic mexican coldplay fan
You should try just deciding to enjoy work. There's a saying about a lie that makes itself true.
School conditions us to think of work as unpleasant, but when you get into the real world, it's the only thing there is. Relationships are work. Art is work. Even religion is work. Everything is work; it takes a lot of effort to do anything useful. So if you don't enjoy work, you're fucked for life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054894) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:50 AM Author: Glittery Self-centered Weed Whacker
We concur.
He who does not expect to become partner can never put in the work to become a partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055151) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 3:04 AM Author: Glittery Self-centered Weed Whacker
Ethics is one of the 5 great pillars of the legal profession. I stongly advise you to cease your actions. Partners deplore actions such as yours.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055231)
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:21 AM Author: salmon adulterous bawdyhouse death wish
Thanks for dropping by to talk with us. I recently saw a graph indicating a sharp recent drop in respect for lawyers in the United States relative to other professions.
The graphic is here http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/8881/lawrespect2004a2so.jpg
What do you think that portends for the future of the profession?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5054995) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 2:42 AM Author: peach church building police squad
I've held real jobs. Fuck you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055108) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 2:59 AM Author: adventurous hairless puppy knife
of exploiting talented and hard-working youth for a few years before discarding them.
This mirrors partners' pursuit of ever younger trophy wives.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055204) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 2:57 AM Author: pink factory reset button Subject: Are you coked up?
Seriously...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055190) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 3:01 AM Author: pink factory reset button
"Someone is impostoring me. "
the word is impersonating, troll
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055216) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 3:05 AM Author: Effete Shrine Philosopher-king
actually, impostering is more fitting in this context. not that it's a word, but neither is TTT.
but wait a minute, impostering is an xoxo invention. how would he know it? ok, 99% this guy is faking it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055233) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 7:23 AM Author: Primrose House-broken Internal Respiration Meetinghouse
What a load of crap. I think every older generation in history has had members who said this kind of thing.
Partners complaining about associate greed should look in the mirror first.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055663) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 8:16 AM Author: Shimmering wonderful indian lodge
D-
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055676) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 10:47 AM Author: out-of-control misanthropic gas station wagecucks
Pensive, go away. The flame is poor and appears to be a vehicle for name-dropping yourself. And your silly moniker
PATRICK E S VINE
or as anagrammed
A PENSIVE TRICK
isn't fooling anyone.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5055769)
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Date: February 11th, 2006 1:48 PM Author: gay unhinged gaming laptop
It was all flame.
The posters who attacked PES Vine were right to do so. The generations above-- Baby Boomers are the worst-- have sold this country out by turning the professions into pyramid schemes. This isn't just a problem with law, but banking, consulting, and academia. Under the guise of meritocracy, they use an almost Prussian "toughness" philosophy to sell declining conditions (longer hours, shittier prospects) to the rising generation. Of course, no one's "allowed" to complain about this in public, lest they be depicted as weak for not being able to hack the tougher system.
A few people-- rich, old, selfish fuckers-- are making out like bandits under this system, as are a few "stars" among the younger generation... these "stars" are not chosen by merit (except possibly in academia... and I say this without interest because I'm not an academic star) but manufactured in order to create an illusion of upward mobility. It's a pretty disgusting system, but it's not going away unless those who can do so take this country back by force. Even with economic expansion, the past couple decades have been a period of depressing sociological contraction: fewer good job positions, rising healthcare costs, housing inflation. A small unscrupulous set of people are getting really rich off this. (Honestly, given than something like 20% of college grads end up unemployed, and another 20-30% underemployed, and a lot without health insurance, this situation is very close to deserving forceful-- even violent if necessary-- opposition.)
I do agree with P.E.S. Vine that $125k is nothing to complain about. The conditions I-bank analysts and firm lawyers face are pretty shitty, but the money is not something that deserves complaint. And yes, I do think that people who complain about the money-- rather than other things that deserve complaint-- in biglaw are pretty spoiled. I also think most people on this board tend to lack perspective, because the "pyramid scheme" phenomenon isn't limited only to biglaw; the whole society has become that way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5056854) |
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Date: February 11th, 2006 5:18 PM Author: Sable sick school cafeteria coffee pot
Hello Pensive,
It was indeed a good flame. I must say that I concur with the fictitious moniker’s sentiments that there is a sense of entitlement among many younger people and that many of the people on the board have never worked real jobs and hence have no basis for comparison when they deride the number of hours that people are supposed to work in Biglaw.
However, you are absolutely correct when you say that the way this country is presently run amounts to nothing more than a gigantic pyramid scheme. We see this in the general decline of the middle class during the past couple of decades. Forty years ago a person could afford to support a spouse and children on a working class income. Today, we often need to breadwinners simply to make ends meet. Sure, we have bigger houses and many more technological gadgets such as cell phones, cable Internet, and satellite television that we did not a generation ago. Nevertheless, the decline of the middle class is obvious to the canniest of observers.
We find a situation where the wealthy are becoming wealthier and the middle class is vanishing. At the same time, the ranks of the poor are increased by those that have been displaced from the middle class and the hordes of immigrants that are lowering our standard of living with their cheap labor and permanently scaring the country. Of course, I do not fault the immigrants from coming here (I want all of them kicked out), though I do fault the international oligarch of criminals that run multinational companies for their presence here. These people want to transform the world into something along the lines of a giant international plantation in which the people of the world are enslaved to a handful of grossly wealthy individuals.
There is much more to this phenomenon than I have outlined in this post, so my explanation is somewhat incomplete. Nevertheless, it is up to the aspiring leaders of this new generation to destroy the present corrupt order and replace it with something better. Otherwise are lives will have little meaning as we do nothing but try to amass as many things while we leave the next generation with a world that is far worse than the one we inherited.
By the way, I was recently accused of being you. I am not sure how people arrive at such notions. I suppose it is simply because you use numerous monikers in order to convey certain points.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5058925)
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Date: February 11th, 2006 12:50 PM Author: Sable sick school cafeteria coffee pot
I do not know if this is flame or not. However, I think there is much truth in what this fellow is saying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5056375) |
Date: February 11th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: Shaky Codepig
Fuck you white man, your privileged ass has everything handed to you. I can't even believe how easy you people had it. It makes me sick.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5058998) |
Date: February 14th, 2006 11:52 AM Author: hairraiser university jap
"my faith"...
I knew i smelt a christian. always trying to shame everyone into bending to your will while you take the money they earn for you to the bank.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5084163) |
Date: April 28th, 2006 3:16 PM Author: crystalline property community account
I don't know or care who Patrick Vine is...but I do agree with what he is saying regardless of who he is. My personal experience w/friends who are lawyers conforms with Patrick Vine's words.
I agree we are rapaciously greedy, the loans just make us more so. Even without HUGE loans and debts most of us lawyers and law students especially the ones who attend the top LS would still bitch about how crappy 100K salaries are. All we talk about is money...we try to get into the best law school possible because it increases our chances of getting 125K starting. I "feel" lawyers are the greediest of the bunch.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5673530) |
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Date: April 28th, 2006 3:44 PM Author: crystalline property community account
"125K is garbage."
125K in 2006 dollars puts us above 95percentile in earning in the USA, so that's not garbage.
"get with the times"
Currently i work in teh engineering field and make around 60K. So becoming a lawyer coming out of a top 10 is a sweet deal.
"what self-respecting T14 grad would accept such a TTT starting salary?"
This statement makes no sense. If you come out of a top 10 or 15 law school, and forego the opportunity to make 125K but isntead make 45K and work represent poor people...that's pretty honorable in my eyes. If you have debt and still take a 45K work that's saintly.
Are you just being sarcastic?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5673752) |
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Date: April 28th, 2006 4:07 PM Author: crystalline property community account
I do know CAlifornia and Texas...and coming out of a top 10-15 law school i can probably get a job paying 100K or more in CA or Texas and i know there 100K will give me a comfortable living once debts (if there is any) are paid off. 10 years down the line being a lawyer from a top 10-15 law school will beat being an engineer (in terms of making cash). I have nothing to complain about. The reason why I agree with Patrick is because of my observations of my friends who go to the top law schools (top 10) and myself. I know I am greedy and patrick does hit the note. I'm a smart guy who wants to make lots of money. I have no care for others. But I feel bad about what I've become. Guys like Patrick regardless if he's a real or phony makes you think about yourself and your goals and how I've grown different from what I used to be in elementary school or junior high. Priority <--> $.
I still want to make money, but I think what I have to really consider is, when the day comes and I'm semi-wealthy, will I continue to try hard to rake in cash...or will I devote a substantial amount of my energies to pro bono and helping the poor. I doubt most top 10-15 LS lawyers will do that..heck even the top 100 LS lawyers if they could, would prefer making more $ then helping out others, even when $ becomes irrelevant to their survival becuz they have so much of it. What will be the choice then? If I already start out complainig about making 125K, knowing fully well my top law degree and hard work will pay off, what will become of me once I everything is paid off..I'll still be complainig about my 250K a year job...these habits of greed we develop don't go away because we make more money and $ becomes irrelevant. At least part of what Patrick is trying to do is to get us to understand if we are to become noble lawyers we have to start out on teh right path...and complaining about 125K is not starting out on teh right path.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5673949)
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Date: April 28th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: Wild laser beams
"Are you just being sarcastic?"
Yes, douchebag.
And maybe talking *a little* shit in the process. But the comment was intended to be made tougue-in-cheek.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5674637)
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Date: April 28th, 2006 6:33 PM Author: Wild laser beams
"You're mama is a douchebag."
But she has mastered the English language.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5675111) |
Date: April 28th, 2006 3:18 PM Author: Avocado idea he suggested gaping
I'd hoped for "wf/am."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5673548) |
Date: April 28th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: carnelian mediation potus
This was actually a good flame idea, but it's sad that it wasn't a better-executed. Whoever did it gets props for the concept, but getting into the whole 174/pensive/moniker debate was a really silly error and he should have done more research. This would have been a better thread coming from an elderly partner. The young ones these days were greedy associates raised on the same model we were. "I-bankers" was a bad move too. I don't think I've heard a lawyer call them that - it's always just bankers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5675059) |
Date: May 8th, 2006 7:53 PM Author: crystalline property community account
Let's continue this most flaming of all posts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#5744501) |
Date: February 15th, 2008 1:15 PM Author: Disgusting plaza
ha
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=357576&forum_id=2#9330515) |
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