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fascinating AA drama playing out in real time at CU Law
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:23 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor Best I can tell, an African-American woman is complaining that CU Law admitted her with a full ride, knowing well that her numbers indicated that she would be a poor student. This forecast evidently is borne out. She sends an email (or several; it's hard to tell) throughout the school, informing all that if the administration/faculty approaches her, she will construe that as harrassment. She says she would gladly trade a CU JD for a JD from a TTT.
http://www.cublawg.blogspot.com/ |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:26 PM Author: Stirring clown Wow, pretty interesting
http://cublawg.blogspot.com/2006/02/white-or-black-elephant-in-room.html |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: 180 seedy lettuce Unbelievable. Damn racist scholarships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132414) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:26 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit I would like to read more about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132087) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:50 PM Author: canary candlestick maker station I expect this response will become more common among minorities at top schools. Certainly, they are pleased to be attending and will find AA employment so long as they pass the bar. But getting C+'s in every class must get fucking old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132249) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:53 PM Author: obsidian genital piercing Just a minor quibble, but I think that this occurance will be more commen after say, the top 10 schools or so - although maybe even a bit earlier - and not at the top schools themselves. There's a big difference between being bottom of the class at Harvard and NU, and you'll see more of this type of response the lower you drop on USNEWS, especially after the T14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132271) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:59 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor This is on-point. Columbia's blacks, who probably arrive with scores in the 160s, are smart enough to hack the material, even if they do end up populating the lower half of the class; Colorado's blacks ... well, I'm guessing they arrive with 150s or worse, which makes "learning the law" pretty difficult -- even at CU-Boulder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132325) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:07 PM Author: canary candlestick maker station There is animosity even among blacks at schools like Columbia – where every black student can find 125K in any state where he/she passes the bar.
The frustration is caused by having to put up with semester after semester of a 2.5 GPA (among many, though not all, black students). |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:09 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor maybe so, but is there any question that the Columbia blacks will be abler lawyers than CU blacks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132406) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend i'd put a columbia black who finished in the bottom 3rd of his class above a CU white who finished in the top 3rd in terms of intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132423) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:13 PM Author: canary candlestick maker station Certainly, but this girl isn't pissed about her inability to function as an attorney. She is pissed that CU admitted her knowing that she was underqualified and likely unprepared to compete with her peers. To no one's surprise, her grades are apparently terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132429) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: flatulent native deer antler "The frustration is caused by having to put up with semester after semester of a 2.5 GPA (among many, though not all, black students)."
Proof? |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:09 PM Author: canary candlestick maker station Sander's study said that 51% of blacks are in the bottom 10%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132900) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:17 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage How could this possibly be confirmed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132965) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:18 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor He FOIA'd a bunch of law schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132973) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage Good thinking. As someone else once stated, "The hippies finally got something right with FOIA." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133025) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: big-titted persian what the f is FOIA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133032) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage freedom of information act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:27 PM Author: big-titted persian it's about time crackers started being honest, open and free with the information they've kept hidden from blacks for the last couple centuries (i.e., how to score higher than crackers on the LSAT). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133075) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge Freedom of Information Act requests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133060) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage I thought law schools would be very reluctant to disclose such information.
edit: It appears you're correct. "The Freedom of Information Act ... only [applies] to federal government agencies." |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: canary candlestick maker station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133067) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:28 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor I'm pretty sure that the schools did not voluntarily release their data. Most likely, S requested the data under the FOIA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133083) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:30 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge I think it's not FOIA stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133101) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:32 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage Did you see my edit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133119) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:33 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge Yes, now I see it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133126) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:34 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage I see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133135) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage According to this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/080bysuf.asp
At least some of his research was gathered through FOIA requests. |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:12 AM Author: Spectacular place of business stage How the fuck else would it work? Did you really think that some random person could file a FOIA request with you asking your favorite sexual position and you'd be bound to respond? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136416) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:27 PM Author: Effete passionate digit ratio Freedom of Information Act
EDIT: I really should have refreshed the page before answering this one. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:29 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage You really should have refreshed the page before answering this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133091) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:29 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133092) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: charismatic lake regret q: spot the fallacy in the above post
a: poster implies that CU is not already itself a TTT |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:05 PM Author: Supple godawful degenerate You are super smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132869) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 1:10 PM Author: navy newt box office Subject: I ask again why is the name of the student deleted? Are the emails real? The CUBlawg calls her "Courtney."
Gridlocker? |
Date: February 19th, 2006 4:29 PM Author: Duck-like Stimulating House Double Fault wait...so she got admitted w/a free ride even though she was underqualified, and now is complaining about it? jesus christ.
can someone post the full emails? |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:31 PM Author: Stirring clown Based on the comments, she seems to think that Colorado "acted recklessly" by admitting her and giving her a full ride despite her TTT numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132116) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:33 PM Author: Duck-like Stimulating House Double Fault i think her mother acted recklessly by not aborting her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132130) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:54 PM Author: Provocative twinkling doctorate senate pwn3d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134680) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:46 PM Author: Duck-like Stimulating House Double Fault in all seriousness, what does she mean by 'acted recklessly'? that they knew there was a high probability she wouldn't do well yet they admitted her anyway? well duh. this is true for all aa admits...it's pretty much the defintion of aa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132234) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:52 PM Author: contagious shrine its because of logic like that that she has such TTT grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132803) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:40 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend What a stupid bitch. I'm not racist, but black people act so fucking stupid sometimes. So fucking stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132177) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:41 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit Your post is contradictory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132183) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:42 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend how (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132203) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:59 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit "I'm not racist, but black people act so fucking stupid sometime"
You claim not to be a racist and then immediately make a statement, by definition, that is racist. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage It actually isn't, by definition, a racist statement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132338) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit Racism: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132354) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend you sound like a ttt. if i have to be labelled a racist for it, then fuck it. here, i'm going to say it again: BLACK PEOPLE ACT SO FUCKING STUPID SOMETIMES. asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132377) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit The definition of racism is an asshole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132395) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend that's not my definition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132427) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:06 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage If you're assuming that his inclusion of "black" as a modifier to "people" indicated his belief that being black was the causation for such stupidity, then yes. Read literally without any such inference, the statement was not racist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132381) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:09 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit How can you deny the causation? He specifically said BLACK people act so fucking stupid. He is clearly relating the perceived stupidity of this individual to her racial heritage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132407) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:15 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage I'll wait for you to edit this post to make more sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132443) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit I will assume you didn't do well in reading comprehension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132453) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:18 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage "How can you deny the causation?"
What causation? The only causation I referred to was between being black and being stupid. Certainly you don't mean to say that it is undeniable that she is stupid because she is black. Are you misusing the term causation somehow? |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend she misued "causation," "indicate," and a bunch of other words. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132534) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit "she misused..."
You assume I a female. Wow, a misogynist too. Way to rack 'em up. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage I see you're not going to respond. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132660) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit I see no point in arguing with you. If you don't see the racism in his statement, then you are not worth the time or energy.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage translation: "I cannot communicate why I'm right." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132767) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit The operative word is black. Not "People are sometimes stupid" or "Law students are sometimes stupid" but "black people are sometimes stupid". SO STUPID. Not just regularly dumb, but SO dumb as to warrant this post. The correlation between race and increased acts of stupidity is enough for it to be considered racism.
Statement: "black people act so fucking stupid sometimes. So fucking stupid."
Definition of racism: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:33 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage Date: February 19th, 2006 5:06 PM Author: theogito (not Theo the homo.)
If you're assuming that his inclusion of "black" as a modifier to "people" indicated his belief that being black was the causation for such stupidity, then yes. Read literally without any such inference, the statement was not racist.
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Date: April 10th, 2007 10:29 AM Author: vivacious den That is a ridiculously stupid definition. I don't think that there anyone will deny that there are aggregate differences between races. For example, the average black is taller than the average asian, which no doubt affects ability in physical tasks. There is also a huge amount of literature substantiating the black-white iq gap. There is nothing wrong with being tall or being less smart.
Racism is discriminating against someone solely on the basis of their race. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:04 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend yep. it really wasnt. people are too pc nowadays, so fuck it. it needed to be said, and it needs to be said again: black people act so fucking stupid sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132366) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit I like the way the two posts above complement each other perfectly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132373) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:06 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency All people act stupid sometimes. I'm sure you have at some point, in fact you're doing it right now. Your insistence on saying this is evidence to the contrary of your claim not to be a racist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132380) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend i didn't make any generalizations. i merely said that blacks act stupid sometimes. this was relevant to the discussion since this black chick is, well, acting fucking stupid. if i wanted to be racist, i would have made an actual generalization like "blacks are stupid." i qualified my comment with the adverb "sometimes" to make sure my statement didn't apply to all blacks. i'm sorry, but only an over-emotional liberal ttt would consider this a racist stateemnt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132411) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency "i didn't make any generalizations. i merely said that blacks act stupid sometimes. this was relevant to the discussion since this black chick is, well, acting fucking stupid."
Are you being serious, race aside, do you know what a generalization is? Clearly not if you don't see it in what you wrote. Taking one black woman acting stupid and extrapolating that to make a claim about blacks in general is generalizing and racist. There's really no need to continue this discussion, I'm sure you've seen the eror of your ways and honestly I don't care enough to continue arguing with you. Be racist, I don't care. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:17 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend "blacks act stupid sometimes": are you seriously saying that this isn't true? if you are, then you're a fucking idiot. when people act stupid, we should call them out on it, not coddle them. this is why people never succeed in life: because they're not expected to. for whatever reason, we just don't hold certain groups of people to the same standards of behavior that we hold other groups. this is completely retarded, and ends up hurting everyone. being put on notice that you have fucked up is necessary for the development of everyone, not just whites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132465) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Dude, you made a racist statement about a group of people based on the actions of one person. You can't hide from the fact that your statement was per se racist. Get over it, David Duke II. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132488) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:51 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency I'm not claiming that blacks don't act stupid. What I am saying is that all races act stupid and you've offered no evidence to show that blacks are more likely to act stupid than any other group. There is no reason for you to say blacks act stupid as opposed to people act stupid. At this point I'm already convinced that you recognize your racism and you are simply flaming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132800) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit There is a reason you wouldn't say this in public. You didn't say "people" act so fucking stupid sometimes, you said "black people" do. Your statement indicates you believe black people act stupid more often than do people of other races.
I am a conservative, by the way, which I means I judge people based on their individual abilities and accomplishments, and I don't generalize based on race. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:22 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend LOL How did my statement "indicate" that I thought blacks act stupidly more often than other races? Wait -- did I even mention other races? No. You're trying to shift the blame from where it really belongs: on the black chick. If you're really going to sit here and say that blacks never act stupid, then fine. But fuck you for that. And I think blacks would say the same, because I'm assuming they don't like to be fucking patronized. See, I think we should treat adults like fucking adults.
Unlike you, you patronizing asshole, I don't think blacks should be coddled when they do stupid shit. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit Should anyone be coddled when they say stupid shit?
Look, you probably honestly don't believe you are racist. You listen to Bill O'Reilly and he just "makes sense". But you are a racist. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend saying someone did stupid shit isn't racist you bitch. it's the fucking truth. no matter what al sharpton tells you, facts aren't racist. they just aren't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132557) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:27 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit Okay then. Let's do a test. Be honest about your beliefs. Based on the "facts" you cite, which of these races acts more stupid, on average:
1. Whites 2. Blacks |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend as law students, we hear about blacks acting dumb more often than we do about other races, but i think the percentage of blacks who act stupidly is roughly proportional to the % whites who do the same. and if that is really the case, then the actual number of whites who act stupid is actually greater than the number of blacks, as a function of the respective population sizes. but when blacks act stupid, i'm not afraid to say it. blacks act stupidly sometimes - that's a fucking fact. this black chick acted stupidly here, and you shouldnt be afraid to point that out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132617) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:34 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit 1. You are lying when you say you believe the percentages are the same but...
2. You can prove me wrong by pointing to the thread where you have pointed out the stupidity of white people. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&mc=72&forum_id=2#5132652
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=360412&mc=15&forum_id=2
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=360419&mc=4&forum_id=2
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=361732&mc=79&forum_id=2
Notice a pattern? |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit Yes, the pattern is that you are obsessed with people's races. XOXO posters act so fucking stupid sometimes. So stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132725) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend haha pwn3d. anyway, check this one out: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=353292&mc=165&forum_id=2
you're a very stupid person. get smart. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: Free-loading hissy fit And I'm not even black. Weird.
Your statement above was racist. You took one example of a black person doing something stupid, and decided to make a general comment about the entire race. It was simply a racist comment, and one you would never make in public. Enjoy living behind the veil of anonymity where you can't be held accountable for what you say. |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 6:06 AM Author: disgusting school ape holy shit you got pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905406) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:14 PM Author: Titillating dog poop windowlicker This post is false by definition.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:45 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency Why "black people act so fucking stupid sometimes?" Don't other races act stupid sometimes? We all do. Oh, and for the record, I'd have to disagree - you are racist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132226) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:47 PM Author: Duck-like Stimulating House Double Fault no he's not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132236) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend No no no. I never said that other races don't act stupid; I was just making an observation. The fact is that she's basically blaming someone for assuming (or hoping) that she was more qualified than her TTT numbers suggested. She's basically blaming AA for giving her a chance. How the fuck is this not acting stupid? And I'm sorry if I sounded racist, but I happen to think AA is a good thing; and the last people who should be complaining about it are the people who take advantage of it. She should just leave CU quietly and attend a TTT more suited to her TTT abilities (there's the other issue about how she failed out at CU of all places. That place is rancid beyond belief). I retract my earlier statement if I sounded racist, but I'll have you know that I'm probably the least racist person on this fucking board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132257) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: laughsome rigpig White people don't complain when they are given free stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132258) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:04 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency Well you did qualify your statement by making a negative comment about the entire black race based on a single person who just happens to be be black. Furthermore, pointing out one race doing something stupid is only useful if other races don't do it. If it was something that was exclusive to black it might have been only a politically incorrect statement but not racist. However, the way you chose to express yourself is certainly indicative of a racist. Nonetheless, not really sure how much it matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132367) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend why is everyone replying to :D (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132545) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: fishy bearded national security agency yeah, that was meant for you... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132775) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:18 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part You fucking dolt. The correct statement should have been, THIS black person is acting like an idiot, or some equally derogatory remark about THAT black person. You're a fucking idiot of epic proportions if you are going to try to dodge the fact that your statement was inherently racist with your moronic post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132479) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend why is everyone replying to :D (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132542) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part hmm, must have hit the wrong button. It was meant for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132558) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend why am i racist for pointing out that blacks act stupid sometimes. are you saying that blacks *don't* act stupid ever? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132574) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part The only reason why you put race into your statement was to further a negative thought about a group of people. Even if blacks *do* act stupid sometimes, the veracity of the comment doesn't hide the statement's inherent racist character. You're confusing yourself in believing that a statement can't be true and racist too. Sure black people act stupid sometimes, every group has its bad moments. But the statement was racist. It's patently obvious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132653) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: Abnormal address gaping Date: February 19th, 2006 4:45 PM Author: XOXO Rebirthed
Why "black people act so fucking stupid sometimes?" Don't other races act stupid sometimes? We all do. Oh, and for the record, I'd have to disagree - you are racist.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132226)
In that case, this makes you anti-human. As long as you're fine with that. |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:10 AM Author: glittery hateful new version parlor There are worse things that one could be, like pro-human. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138260) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:29 AM Author: Abnormal address gaping I kind of am, but it usually ends up biting me on the ass. Lots of disappointments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138340) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: aromatic affirmative action stage Always the victim. Thanks Richard Sander! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132256) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:55 PM Author: heady plaza stock car you just cant win with some blacks. you are supposed to let them in based on sub-standard credentials as per the national policy, and then when they dont succeed, you are to blame. how convenient for her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132281) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: obsidian genital piercing Hooray for superficial diversity! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132297) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: flatulent native deer antler hooray for your fat ugly down's syndrome head!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132713) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: blathering ultramarine philosopher-king Hooray for all of us!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133156) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: Harsh home -10 GBD for her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132291) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:04 PM Author: hairraiser ruddy business firm organic girlfriend 177 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133320) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:01 AM Author: translucent spot Took me a minute, but nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136331) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 8:36 AM Author: yapping background story faggot firefighter I'm just a stupid black chick, so I don't know what this means. I think it was probably funny. What's GBD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5137848) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 4:35 PM Author: big-titted persian i don't get it either. white humor isn't funny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140658) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: Onyx theater stage cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132339) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 8:08 AM Author: pearly ratface shitlib add: if you don't get admitted to a school, it's because some URM with TTT numbers (you know, because we all have them) took "your" spot so s/he could skate through with C's and fail the bar.
victimology is by no means limited to URMs.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part I love how some white folk use one example of a black person to paint a general about all black people. But if black folk were to use the racist acts of one white person to make a claim about the way in which society treats blacks, you guys would have a fit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132448) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:18 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor nigga, plz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132474) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency Most white people arent racist. Most black people are worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132484) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:23 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Well you're the blackest person I know then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132525) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency Yeah, I know it pains you to hear it. But its true. Crime, poverty, and general worthlessness, blacks are extraordinarily overrepresented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132559) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Crime - sheer violence, murder, wars etc. - throughout history? I'm sure white folk win that one. No sense in using the the last 60 years of American history when we have knowledge of the past 700+ years of World History. In terms of poverty, well, that probably goes to Asians throughout the world. More Asians live in poverty, I believe, than any other racial group. General worthlessness, well, it seems whoever created you should take home that prize. 0 for 3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132614) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency Thank you for acknowledging that in modern US history, blacks are worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132639) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend Calm down asshole. Whites are actually more TTT than blacks by orders of magnitude when it comes to the net harm they've inflicted on the planet. Stop trying to be an ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132652) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency More irrelevant points.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part I acknowledged no such thing. But thanks for letting me know that you are a mental midget. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132728) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:44 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency I simply stated that blacks are worthless.
You respond with idiotic statements about Asian Poverty, which does nothing to refute the fact that most blacks are worthless. Sorry, nigger. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: razzle mint dilemma legend nah. he's right. you're a fucking ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132769) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: Impertinent International Law Enforcement Agency Again, doesnt change the fact that blacks are worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132772) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:16 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part I like this act better when the poster at least feigns intelligence. You suck at this. I want my money back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132959) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:31 PM Author: Thriller Buck-toothed Therapy She has a good point. It is irresponsible to let her into the school and give her a full ride when they know her numbers aren't good enough. They should guarantee her at least a median GPA. That's what they'd do if they weren't racists with their own agenda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132607) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge How about telling people what their stats mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133027) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:06 PM Author: odious light macaca Did you bother to read her second email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134800) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: Harsh home There should be a new rule that no student is given grades below the median. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132623) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:44 PM Author: big-titted persian why are the inbreds so obsessed with AA. they always get so riled up and angry. ttt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132744) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: flatulent native deer antler they try to make up for their lack of physical prowess with mental prowess. If blacks started succeeding in academia, then they would have claim to nothing. Because then they'd have a small penis and could not claim to be smarter than anyone. They would be nullo-fied physically and intellectually and would have to commit bukkuku. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132762) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:54 PM Author: big-titted persian very good point. i think i'm going to start a thread on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132818) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:45 PM Author: Rough-skinned Crystalline Antidepressant Drug Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don’t we? We all know that people are the same where ever we go There is good and bad in ev’ryone, We learn to live, we learn to give Each other what we need to survive together alive.
Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don’t we?
Ebony, ivory living in perfect harmony Ebony, ivory, ooh
We all know that people are the same where ever we go There is good and bad in ev’ryone, We learn to live, we learn to give Each other what we need to survive together alive. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:48 PM Author: excitant half-breed Some of you guys are racists, plain and simple.
Why are there never any threads about the myriad forms of anti-black discrimination in our society? No, it's only the preferences against whites that bother you. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:50 PM Author: heady plaza stock car go ahead and start threads on anti-black discrimination in society, it's a free forum.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:52 PM Author: big-titted persian this is true. you'll never see a thread on xoxo about how a black was discriminated against by a cracker, even though cracker racism is one million times more visible and rampant than black racism (a form of racism which, as a practical matter, is justified). all you ever hear about is how crackers are discriminated against BY OTHER CRACKERS (remember, AA was devised and is implemented by crackers, not blacks). so, while there is more inbred oppression of blacks today, and while there has been more inbred oppression of minorities in the US throughout America's history, the cracker inbreds on this site only point to instances where CRACKERS are discriminated against BY OTHER CRACKERS. worse, the cracker on cracker racism isn't even significant and doesn't cause crackers any harm when compared to the sort of harm cracker racism caused to blacks (i.e., slavery, jim crow, lynchings, etc.)
if this isn't inbred-logic, then I have no idea what is. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:58 PM Author: contagious shrine why dont you start threads about blacks being discriminated against? A black person such as yourself is much more qualified to do so than a cracker like I. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132837) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 5:59 PM Author: heady plaza stock car wtf are you talking about? what about that thread with the video of the pig cop overstepping his authority and pepperspraying that black girl? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132840) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:00 PM Author: contagious shrine that wasnt discrimination it was comedy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5132845) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:22 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck This is the most ridiculous thing I ever read. How can she be angry at them for admitting her with subpar numbers? They admitted her; they didn't force her to attend. She could have researched the average LSATs and GPAs of her classmates and extrapolated that she would most likely be in the bottom of her class. IF that bothered her, she shouldn't have attended. I mean, everyone thinks they're going to beat the odds and do better than their numbers predict, but that's not a given, it's a risk you're taking. That said, I'd much rather be bottom of my class at a much higher ranked school than at the median at an utter shithole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133017) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Would you like to fornicate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133030) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck Why not? I'm bored. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133033) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Slut. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133051) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge Suppose the stats show that, at that school, a certain LSAT number and GPA lead to > 50% non-graduation. Doesn't the school have a duty to tell the student that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133041) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:30 PM Author: 180 seedy lettuce No, the student has a duty to inform themself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133109) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:32 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge How will the students know the critical facts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133120) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:29 PM Author: Stirring clown The Sander study is just a few Google searches away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134383) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:31 PM Author: Onyx theater stage cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133114) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:40 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge What if the stats show that the accepted student has a 15% chance of graduation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133174) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:48 PM Author: big-titted persian This is stupid, unless you can show that the law school either knew or should have known that she in particular would fail. You'd have to compile a list of all the people with her qualifications (or lack thereof) and see if a pattern emerged showing a positive correlation between failing and having a TTT LSAT and gpa. And even then we don't presume that people will fail. If that were the case, then everyone with a shitty gpa would never be admitted into college or ls, because schools wouldn't want to be subjected to lawsuits alleging fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133225) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge The law schools don't release that info to us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133251) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:00 PM Author: big-titted persian But the point of an education is to be given an opportunity to shine. If we start allowing these correlations to determine who and who not to extend offers of admission, the inevitable result will be a class of people who never get educated. So unless the correlation between outright failing and TTT numbers is perfect and exact, not giving people admission on that basis is misguided. But I agree that maybe schools should start giving students a rough indication of whether they stand a chance of failing or passing -- but then again, SCHOOLS ALREADY DO THIS. This is what academic support programs and shit like that are for. These programs target "at-risk" students. Every school has one. Maybe the CU bitch didn't take advantage of it, who knows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133299) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:13 PM Author: Onyx theater stage cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134864) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:44 PM Author: blathering ultramarine philosopher-king i dunno... i bet you could establish a theory of negligence, especially because the school is the only one with the access to the relevant information. probably wouldn't prevail, but i don't think you'd be laughed out of court either. but who knows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133203) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:48 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck What an awful trend to begin. Do we really want schools to avoid admitting students with lower numbers because they're afraid of being sued? Isn't it every law applicant's dream that they'll be admitted *despite* their numbers, because the ad coms like something about their package? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133229) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge No, we're saying that if you admit them and tell the truth, then they can't sue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133266) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: blathering ultramarine philosopher-king Wha...? My post was descriptive, not prescriptive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134532) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: Deep brass ticket booth At least you're a grateful nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133043) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Why are you still posting? You're a shiftless loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133062) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:31 PM Author: Deep brass ticket booth You just don't make any sense. I said, basically, if A then B. A never happened, but you keep insisting that B must now occur. This lack of logic is why niggers like you average 140 on the LSAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133110) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:32 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part I also posted another proposition - a proposition you failed. You must now go. Goodbye! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133118) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:25 PM Author: big-titted persian I agree, but whites need to stfu because they're pathetic inbred faggots. You make good points, though. She needs to stfu, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133053) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:27 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge The schools should give us info we need. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133077) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:28 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck Law students are adults. I think it's your own responsiblity to find out this stuff. The school doesn't have a responsibilty to produce likelihood of graduation percentages for each admitted student. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133086) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:31 PM Author: cordovan indian lodge What if the critical data has been hidden? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133112) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:30 PM Author: big-titted persian 1) She got a full ride, so blowing $50k isn't exactly the issue.
2) I agreed with Blue's statements - i.e., that the CU bitch needs to STFU, but added the analogue that whites need to stfu because they're inbred faggots.
3) Anyway, she has to be personally responsible for her failures. She shouldn't be blaming people because she didn't bother to research what she was getting into. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:47 PM Author: Rough-skinned Crystalline Antidepressant Drug See, it's rude statments like this that explain why I have dated exactly one more black girl than you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136183) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:29 PM Author: obsidian genital piercing The problem is, bottom of the class at CU doesn't give many opportunities.
She really should not be complaining here, she got a full ride for heaven's sake! |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:30 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck I don't feel like looking up CU's rank... I'm guessing it's second tier or something? Would she really have had much better opportunities at the median at some third tier school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133108) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:36 PM Author: obsidian genital piercing I really don't know. I doubt anyone does. Would she even be median at the third tier school? Or possibly much higher?
I guess it's useless arguing over that, since we'll never find out. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:39 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part I bet you have big boobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133166) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:52 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Well, Chesty LaRue, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133245) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: motley grizzly elastic band partner i would have expected the argument to run in a completely opposite direction - i.e. that CU had lured her into attending a lower-ranked law school over a higher-ranked law school by providing full tuition, knowing that her probability of succeeding academically was lower than the average CU student. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133272) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 6:57 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Cuck Yea, interesting. I'm guessing if she got a full scholarship at CU she could have gotten into a much higher ranked school - GULC part-time or something even. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5133284) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:36 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor Dear Dean Trujillo,
I read your message regarding the article. I understand you sent the email as a way to ensure that all students at the law school have a positive learning environment. I commend you for your good intentions. However, I do not agree that the University of Colorado at Boulder Law School (CU) should focus on forcing white students to be sensitive to minority students. Instead, I think the school should help minority students understand that other people's opinions cannot harm them. I will elaborate below.
Your email says the comment, "Who Gives a Shit" is "destructive" to someone at the law school. Your email assumes that I, as a black person, am so emotionally insecure that someone's opinion would some how hurt me. Though this is a realistic assumption, it perpetuates the notion that a person can be harmed by "words." People can be harmed by words, but only if they allow themselves to be harmed in such a way. For example, a white student could approach me in the hallway and say, "You're a nigger!" Although I've never been insulted in this way, I cannot imagine that I would let such ignorance affect me. Instead, I undoubtedly would wonder what pain this person has experienced that would cause him or her to be so rude to another human being. I would feel compassion for him or her and then go on about my business. I would tell other black students about the remark becauseit would serve as an interesting topic of discussion.
Dean Trujillo, the only way a person can offend me is if he or she says something that resonates with how I perceive myself. If I perceive myself as a "nigger," along with the negative concepts associated with that word, then Iwould be offended by the above comment. I don't think of myself as a nigger, soI don't believe I would be offended if a white person used that word toward me, whether in jest or as an insult. However, if I have "issues" about something, I will likely feel offended in certain situations. For instance, Professor Calhoun recently made some comments to me that I found highly insulting. I have attached the email (pasted in Word) I sent her expressing my feelings. After sending the email, I tried to figure out why I had sent such a disrespectful email to a professor. I have never been rude to ateacher or professor in my life and I wondered why I was so offended by her comments. Her statements touched something inside of me and this is what it was:
When I was 11 years old, I brought home a report card with all As and Bs, except for a "C" in mathematics. I was very disappointed with the last grade. My mother responded, "Don't worry about math. I wasn't good in math and neitherare you." Her comments were very distructive to me because I believed her. The fact that other students got good grades in math and I was "incapable" of doing so was hurtful to me. However, in my early thirties, I took Algebra classes at the University of Colorado and earned "As" so I realized my mother was wrong. Until last week, Idid not know I harbored resentment against my mother for not finding someone to help me in math. In fact, she could have asked my stepdad to help me as he had excelled in high school Alegbra. It did not occur to me to ask for help becauseI believed a "C" was all I could achieve in math. Unfortunately, my poor mathskills discouraged me from pursuing a career in Science, my favorite subject since ninth grade. I earned a Journalism degree instead.
When Professor Calhoun suggested the law school could change standards so that "diversity" students would get better grades, I was insulted. She unwittingly transported me back to age 11 when my mother made the above statements to me. Professor Calhoun said I misunderstood her comments and Iaccept that. However, the problem was not her comments, regardless of what she meant by them. I know the following statements are a bit esoteric, but they are important:
The problem was that I never forgave my mother for her comments until last week. By not forgiving her, I harbored the hurt feelings her statements generated. Unfortunately, those feelings were triggered by a professor for whom I have great respect. My mother hurt me when she told me I was incapable of excelling in math. Therefore, it was my own weakness that allowed me to feel offended by Professor Calhoun's comments. If a person feels discomfort or pain because of someone's words, they need to find out who they haven't forgiven. Again, I know this sounds pretty esoteric but minority students are allowing themselves to be harmed over things that are harmless. Psychotherapist Laura Yokota is alicensed Forgiveness Therapist and I believe she could be of great service to CU's minority students. Intolerant students also would benefit because rude behavior is a clear warning (such as in my case with Professor Calhoun) that a person needs to forgive herself or someone else. Although Mrs. Yokota specializes in individual therapy, she offers group therapy, which is much more affordable. If you want additional information about Forgiveness Therapy, Mrs. Yokota can be reached at 719-***-****. I do not believe the solution to racial insensitivity is to force white people to become more sensitive. By doing this, you are legitimizing the idea that minorities should focus their energy on trying to control other people. Minorities will not succeed in controlling others but they have absolute power to control themselves. Instead of giving racial sensitivity classes to 25,000 white students, the University of Colorado should offer workshops to minority students that help them realize that other people's perceptions of them need not affect how they feel. Whenever a student is caught engaging in unacceptable behavior, such as defacing an article, he or she should be required to attend a workshop. Using words to cause hurt and feeling hurt because of words both indicate a need to forgive someone.
Dean Trujillo, I am not exactly sure why one or more black students was interested in the information contained in the article. However, someone took the time to copy the article and post it on BLSA's bulletin board. It is unfortunate that someone manifested his or her insensitivity to other people's concerns by defacing the article. However, it is even more unfortunate that you believe the words, "Who Gives a Shit" is somehow "destructive" to anyone at the law school.
Respectfully, [ ] |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:48 PM Author: Appetizing Thirsty Immigrant Garrison "licensed Forgiveness Therapist"
Only in Boulder. What a joke. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:38 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor Hi Prof. Caluhoune, I WANT TO WRITE A STATUTE THAT ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS TO ENJOIN A STATE UNDER 14TH AMEND FROM PRESENTING CERTAIN FALSE INFORMATION TO STUDENTS THAT CAUSES SEVERE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND INTELLECTUAL HARM TO A PROTECTED GROUP. [ ]
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You can work with this, although I suspect it will be complicated. Do you have a definite idea about the type of information you are going to designate as harmful? Is there accessible information about the harm you are thinking of (e.g., in studies, reports, etc.)? Also, have you thought about a source of congressional authority for adopting this statute? These are just a few miscellaneous thoughts. As you become more focused (which will certainly happen the minute you try to draft up some statutory language addressing the problem you have identified), you're gong to encounter some issues that seem pretty complicated. Be sure not to hesitate to consult with me! Take care. Emily Calhoun
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Hello Prof. Calhoun, First, I want to say that I believe you are a fine professor with very noble intentions regarding African Americans. I want to thank you for your efforts as a civil rights attorney on behalf of your black clients (assuming you had black clients). I assume that you have wanted to help blacks find justice in a society that for hundreds of years denied blacks equal rights under the law. Well, we had equal rights for 65 years in early America and we were disproportionately more successful than whites in the South, economically and educationally, but we won't talk about that.
Based on our conversation today, you seem to want to help "black people." However, I was very insulted and offended by your comments. You indicated that the University of Colorado Law School can help achieve diversity goals by providing more one-one-one instruction and giving more emphasis to clinical programs instead of what it stresses now. You said the school should provide more classes that help students develop practical skills, apparently instead of the type of abstract thinking that is required in most law classes. You mentioned that CU would continue grading students instead of implementing a pass/fail system.
Your suggestions implied that black students (as we were specifically talking about black students), will continue to be disproportionately at the bottom of their law school classes unless the school changes the type of work students are required to perform. I understand that you lived through the civil right movement and your care about justice for all Americans. Undoubtedly you have been exposed to racist white people and have seen blacks treated unfairly by whites and their institutions.
However, I've lived through the 80s and the 90s and have never experienced overt maltreatment by whites (that I know of)or their institutions on account of my being African American. I don't believe this is the result of Title VII. My 15 years in the workplace has convinced me that Title VII's protections against racial discrimination has lowered black employment significantly while giving small numbers of blacks big jobs with big salaries. My conversation with you today was the closest thing I've experienced to having a white person tell me to my face that blacks are inferior to whites.
CU does not have to change standards to enable black students to perform>proportionately as well as white students. Statistics that I will present in my statute supports this assertion. The problem is that CU has done a crappy job attracting qualified black students. Maybe if the school adopted a color-blind admission policy and widely publicized this fact, it would attract some of the many qualified black students who would love to have the experience of not being stigmatized as less competitive and intelligent as their white counterparts. Maybe they would love to have everyone know that they did not take seats at CU Law School School from more qualified whites.
The fact that Jews and Asians are a tiny percentage of the population does not prevent them from being overrepresented in American Universities. The children of Holocaust victims are not labeled disadvantaged because they have not bought into a victim mentality. As long as people like you, and many black civil rights leaders, continue repeating the idea that blacks are victims and need white people to help them in order to succeed, blacks will never realize their potential. I, along with most blacks, cannot reasonably choose to attend an undergraduate or graduate school with our "peers." Why would I attend a tier 3 or 4 school when I can attend a tier 1 school and receive a full-tuition scholarship during my first year. Since employers know that Affirmative Action is practiced in virtually every law school, they reasonably believe my University of Colorado Law degree should be a for instance, Nova University degree, and maybe, just maybe a University of Denver degree. I would love to have attended a school with my peers instead of going through the "hell" I've experienced at CU.
I have no doubt that clinical programs won't help as much as you suggested. The only reason I received a B+ in the Immigration Law Clinic is because the black professor who ran the class clearly gave me a better grade than I deserved. She gave white students an A- who had done so much more work compared to me that I feel like petitioning the Dean for a lower grade. Your Torts class was a great example of the type of abstract thinking that is required in Tier 1 law schools. I loved the class and thought I understood what was being taught. The other student kept complaining that they didn't understand you. I ignored them an sought help from a teaching assistant. She said I understood the material. Apparently, I didn't understand because I received the lowest grade in the class, a D+.
Based on our conversation today, you seem to expect me to be grateful that your solution to my bad grades is to change the way CU teaches students. I am not grateful and I feel insulted that you would think I would be receptive to the idea. I do not have a slave mentality. Blacks do not need white people to change their standards so that blacks can succeed. By doing this we will always be perceived as inferior and our children will continue believing the post civil rights notion that "being smart is acting white." My ancestors fought and died for equal protection under the law, NOT for policies that continue white supremacist ideas that blacks are unable to compete with whites.
I don't care about past discrimination because I don't live in the past. I live in 2006. I want to figure out what I can do to contribute to the world based on my skills and interests. The lives of my ancestors were precious and certainly priceless so I feel insulted that anyone would think that they could give me money or change standards to pay for their suffering and unfair treatment. No one can prove that I am disadvantaged simply because I am black. If that were the case, there wouldn't be tens of millions of white people on welfare. My grandparents might have lacked intelligence and initiative just like many whites so no one knows why I did not received higher LSAT and GPA scores.
My ancestors achieved so much in this country and I assure you that if they are ghosts in the USA, they are appauled by Affirmative Action. These programs incorporate every racist idea that they were exposed to. You mentioned that CU Law School might have an interest in having blacks attend CU to promote diversity. I found this comment offensive because it implied that the fact that I am black is more important than my viewpoints as well as my social and economic status. Unless one can discern these things from the color of my skin, then I assume you were suggesting that CU wants black students simply because they are black. The problem is that I don't appreciate being viewed as an opportunity for CU to give white students the experience of looking at a black person and maybe even sitting next to one in class. I'm offended by the implication that somehow I provide the same benefit to white students as zoo animals. I am sorry that I had to write you this harsh email but I had to speak my mind. I suffer from a thyroid condition that has created a goiter in my neck. Part of the problem is that I don't speak my mind as I don't like offending people. I can't promise that I won't send this email to anyone else. However, I don't intend to do so at this point and I want you to know that I do not feel that you intended to insult or offend me.
I believe you are an honorable person and I enjoy being in your classes very much. I don't care if you have negative feelings toward me after receiving this message. That's because this email doesn't change how I feel about you . . . I think you're a wonderful human being. I, like everyone human being, makes unintentional statements that offend others. I don't have negative feelings about you as a person because you unintentionally offended me.
However, if civil rights people continue brainwashing black children as well as American and international employers that blacks are intellectually and culturally disadvantaged because of slavery and Jim Crow laws, then black children will continue believing they are "different" from whites and that they cannot accomplish the same things as white children. They will continue feeling that education is in the "white domain" and they will continue believing that sports and entertainment are the only areas where they can be "the best" based on personal merit. Undoubtedly, Jewish people wouldn't feel PROUD and GRATEFUL for a program that tells them they are less competitive than other whites because of the Holocaust. They know wearing a label that says "Intellectually and Culturally Disadvantaged Jew Needs a Job" will not help them in obtaining non-Affirmative Action jobs, which account for more than 95 percent of all jobs. Programs like Affirmative Action creates this label for blacks, and unfortunately, every black person is forced to wear the label even if they are not disadvantaged. There is nothing wrong with giving blacks an opportunity to exploit their advantages and overcome their challenges. Equality won't happen immediately, but it will happen if America would stop trying to convince black people that they are inferior because they are disadvantaged. "All men (and women) are equal," is the only useful message America needs to promote.
I've talked to all the blacks here at CU about Affirmative Action and none of them agree with me. Nevertheless, I love all of them and they are very kind to me. I guess they think I'm just stupid so they ignore my "absurd" comments. However, most of the black students here are from middle- or upper-class families. I'm from the ghetto and I can tell you that many poor blacks (who also happen to be thoughtful and intelligent) view me and the other blacks here as "sell outs." They believe we are buying into an educational system that perpetuates white supremacy and tries to strip blacks of confidence and self-respect by ensuring that they have no reasonable choice to attend school with their peers.
If America wants to help blacks because of former discrimination, then it should provide blacks with scholarships so they can afford to attend private schools. Of course, it's cheaper to simply admit them into state schools where they will disproportionately remain in the bottom five percent of their class if they don't drop out first.
I will do the best that I can with my statute and I hope you will not feel uncomfortable assisting me when I need guidance. Thank you. [ ]
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Hello, [ ] -- This is not the place to debate policy. I only want to say that you have very much misunderstood most of my points -- which related to diversity in general and not to minorities in particular. I am so sorry if you were offended by them. I certainly understand that there are all sorts of arguments about how best to respond to a very bad -- indeed, evil --history of slavery and discrimination, and that people of good will can disagree about the best remedy. For that reason, I am very much looking forward to seeing your statute -- and, of course, I will do my best to help you make it the best possible statute. I've been anticipating seeing your first cut at statutory language, as we discussed after class on Monday. Sorry to miss you in class today. And take care. Emily Calhoun |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 6:25 AM Author: disgusting school ape "The children of Holocaust victims are not labeled disadvantaged because they have not bought into a victim mentality."
huh? since when?
"I, along with most blacks, cannot reasonably choose to attend an undergraduate or graduate school with our "peers." Why would I attend a tier 3 or 4 school when I can attend a tier 1 school and receive a full-tuition scholarship during my first year."
Please, protect me from myself! |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 7:42 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor Dear [ ] Please schedule an appointment with me at your earliest convenience so that we can discuss the feelings and concerns you have expressed. They are important to me and to our community. I would like to respond on behalf of the institution. I look forward to seeing you soon. Dayna Matthew
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Hello Dean Matthew,
Thank you for your concern. Unfortunately, I have no desire to speak with any administrators. I do not believe The University of Colorado School of Law (CU)should have admitted me into this school in the first place. CU has known year after year, decade after decade that underqualified students such as myself consistently fall in the bottom 5% of the class and disproportionately fail the Colorado Bar Exam.Nevertheless, CU has done nothing that effectively helps underqualified students receive grades that fall within the "bell curve." CU doesn't offer a summer academic preparation program or even a bar exam review course (both ofwhich are offered at the University of Denver). Not only has CU not made minimally sufficient efforts to assist under-qualified students, but the school admitted underqualified students without any warning regarding their potential at CU. The law school has the data to inform underqualified students about where they will "likely" fall in the class ranking compared to academically-qualified students. Some law schools provide this type of information because it is reasonably clear they have a duty to do so. At the time of my admittance, CU knew how unlikely it would be that I would serve on law journals, participate in moot court competitions, work as a research assistant, obtain judicial clerkships and externships, complete law school in three years or at all, pass the Colorado Bar Exam, etc.
Regarding extracurricular activities, I intended to apply for a summer "diversity" law clerkship. I believed I had a chance to get a clerkship after the Director of Career Services sent an email to potential applicants informing us that we NEED NOT report grades on the application. Shortly thereafter, he sent another email letting us know that we must include our lawschool transcript in the application package. I chose not to apply for a clerkship due to my low grades. However, academically-prepared Asian, East Indian, Hispanic, and gay people were offered clerkships. I understand that many academically-prepared black students also obtained clerkships over the past few years. Some of these black students have graduated from Ivy League universities and/or come from families where their parents are lawyers, accountants, teachers, and other professionals. I'm sure they always had enough to eat as a child and witnessed their parents reading a book other than the bible.
If my brown skin has helped "advantaged" black and brown students feel less isolated (and I really don't believe they feel isolated) at CU, I am happy forthem. If my skin color has helped CU promote itself as a diverse law school and attract more state and federal aid to the University of Colorado, I am happy for the law school. This aid benefits tens of thousands of academically-prepared white students through new human and technical resources. I happy for them as well. The problem, despite my professed happiness, is that CU has used my skin color against me in order to provide benefits to others.
I have spent a lot of time with members of the (African-American) Sam Cary Bar Association and they say that underqualified black students almost never serve on law review and oftendo not pass the Colorado Bar Exam. I cannot fathom how CU has found these facts acceptable. I should not have been led to believe that I had the same potential as traditional students. I should have had the opportunity to weigh the benefits of receiving a full-tuition, first-year scholarship and admittance into a Tier1 school against the LIKELY consequences of my relatively poor academic background. I have worked very, very hard and have taken advantage of all of the academic support that CU offered. Unfortunately, like many other underqualified students with similar motivation, I am paying tens of thousands of dollars to receive the type of law school education CU knew I was highly unlikely to receive. CU's policy of admitting academically-underqualified students without any plan to provide them with EFFECTIVE academic support is recklessly negligent. The really sad thing is that I was one of the 95 percent of law students (based on statistics) who believed he or she would be in the top 10 percent of the first-year class.
I understand that if there were no underqualified students here, fifty percent of academically-prepared students would be in the bottom 50 percent of the class. However, it is clear that when all students have comparable academic skills,the deciding factors for GPA differences are LUCK and MOTIVATION to work very hard. Therefore, all academically-prepared students have a reasonable opportunity to be in the top 50 percent. More important, the bottom 50 percent need not receive less than a B-. For example, no one in my first-semester legal writing class received less than a B-. Therefore, no one necessarily has to receive Cs and Ds here. When you have an identifiable group of students who consistently receive Cs and Ds, CU has a problem it needs to address in an ethical and effective manner.
It is true that some CU law students (of all races) from disadvantaged backgrounds with relatively low incoming academic credentials have performed exceptionally well inside and outside of the classroom. Nevertheless, this does not abolish CU's equitable duty to give underqualified students information that is particularly relevant to their situation. Without this information, it is difficult for them to make an informed decision about whether to attend a top law school. In my opinion, the minimum amount of data that CU should give underqualified students prior to admittance is the correlation between LSAT scores and first-year grades. Dean Matthew, if you are inclined to respond to my email to Professor Calhoun "on behalf of the institution," please do so in writing. Also, please take notice that if any administrator from the University of Colorado Schoolof Law or Pro-Affirmative Action Professor David Hill (who I admire and amvery fond of), speaks to me about anything (that means please do not say "Hello," . . . nothing), I will consider the interaction to be harassment. The administrators at this law school have harmed me irreparably and I do not want to have anything to do with any of them outside of written correspondence. Had I been properly warned as described above, I would be at a Tier 3 school facing the joy of graduation in May 2006. I do not feel it is an honor to have a law degree from the University of Colorado. If it were possible to do so, I would gladly exchange my CU law degree for one from a Tier 3 school. Unfortunately, I am stuck here until Spring 2007 trying to deal with the hurt and anger CU has recklessly inflicted upon me. Have a good day, [ ] |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:18 PM Author: big-titted persian i'm not so sure all this wasn't some sort of massively coordinated plot against CU's AA program - and AA in general. i mean, she sounds like she thinks too clearly and logically to have failed out of a pathetic TTT like CU. this raises the strong suspicion that someone else wrote this email, not some dumb AA-admit who failed out of a TTT. also, the Sander study focused on the "mismatch" effect at TTTs, not prestigious schools, so it makes sense that anti-AA people would coordinate such a thing at a TTT like CU. and it makes sense that she would warn administrators from talking to her: any interaction with administrators might uncover what's really going on. this smells fishy to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134207) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Mewling Preventive Strike Point You believe her emails read intelligently? They read like they were written by a fucking retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134273) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:25 PM Author: big-titted persian i said clearly and logically, not intelligently. anyway, there's nothing really wrong with how the email was written (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134325) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:28 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Mewling Preventive Strike Point clearly and logically strongly implies intelligently. Also, there was something wrong with the way the emails were written: I think they focused too much on insights that were REALLY FUCKING RETARDED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134359) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:33 PM Author: big-titted persian whatever. anyway, think about it: blacks fail out of ls all the time (whites do too, for that matter). why all the brouhaha now? and the email, however inarticulately written, categorically lists every anti-AA argument that exists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134431) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:26 PM Author: Appetizing Thirsty Immigrant Garrison The student clearly can't think, much less write, coherently. I feel for the professor who has to respond to this dreck with kid gloves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134338) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:38 PM Author: big-titted persian but you can't deny that the email really does list all the arguments against AA, albeit from the more personal and emotional perspective of failed "AA-admit." i'm thinking that was the intended effect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134486) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: Rough-skinned Crystalline Antidepressant Drug Where's the second gunman????!!!!!!!!!!
Hilarious!!!!!!!!!! |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: Stirring clown Some parts of the emails are obviously ridiculous, but most of of the first email (and parts of the other emails) are pretty well written and make sense. Much better argument than I expected given the initial blog post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134530) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: big-titted persian this has been my point all along. despite what the morons on this site say about it, the email was written too well to have come from the mind of an AA-admit CU drop out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134715) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:33 PM Author: motley grizzly elastic band partner she may not write like Cardozo [thank god for that] but her substantive points are all clear. the argument is actually pretty strong, all things being considered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136079) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:24 PM Author: Walnut at-the-ready legal warrant church building Could it have been written with the help of a plaintiff's lawyer?
(Also, you dropped your schtick in that post and come off as pretty normal. Be more careful next time.) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:29 PM Author: big-titted persian maybe; it wouldn't surprise me. this is perfect timing, too, what with the supreme court currently stacked with supposed anti-AA justices. also, keep in mind the ABA's new "coercive" diversity mandate. there are simply too many coincidences here. mark my words: there's something going on.
and i'm not shtick. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:32 PM Author: Stirring clown I'm glad they finally posted the emails on the blog. This is pretty interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134411) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:35 PM Author: naked salmon church private investor GTO, check out the flak I get on that site. The site administrator even deletes my posts. That's okay though. I like farce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134454) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:48 PM Author: navy newt box office Gridlocker - why have you redacted the name of the student? She has obviously given up any privacy she had - afterall, she forwarded the emails to the world or they wouldn't be on this website.
Come on, Grid - give up the student's name!
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Date: April 10th, 2007 6:22 AM Author: disgusting school ape what a stupid fucking bitch.
"CU's policy of admitting academically-underqualified students without any plan to provide them with EFFECTIVE academic support is recklessly negligent. The really sad thing is that I was one of the 95 percent of law students (based on statistics) who believed he or she would be in the top 10 percent of the first-year class."
And I GUARANTEE that if CU had offered her that scholarship and even put in the letter "only 25% of the people with your grades/LSAT end up passing the bar," she would have thought "Oh, well, I'm smart and special, so I'll be fine."
Fact is, shes a stupid whiny bitch who can't spell, is a 30+ year old non-trad, goes to a TTT, has personality issues, and has a fucking GOITER. Pwned by life. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:38 PM Author: Stirring clown I just read the emails -- the very first email actually makes a pretty damn good argument, and I agreed with most of what it said.
Parts of the next two emails were just horrible, though they had some good points. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: big-titted persian what do you think of my conspiracy theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134524) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: Stirring clown I don't think it's feasible. The risks are too great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134536) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:47 PM Author: big-titted persian Risks? I don't see any other risks other than if it is discovered that she lied about her numbers on her applications to CU. Without that, there's no risk here, *even if* we come to find out that she was some sort of "plant," because there's no law against being a "plant." Highly unethical maybe. Plus, she seems like she put up a pretty good front (i.e., "working very hard" and taking full advantage of the "academic support" programs). I don't see any risks here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134594) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:51 PM Author: Stirring clown If it was ever discovered that CU administrators used a student plant to pursue a political agenda, it would likely make a significant dent in their professional reputations, if not outright cost them their jobs. Not to mention how it would set back the anti-AA movement if discovered (can you see the headlines?). It's not a risk worth taking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5134656) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 8:55 PM Author: big-titted persian maybe they care about it *that* much. that makes sense since AA is extremely divisive.
*edit* anyway, i'm not so sure the administration or faculty at CU is behind this. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:19 PM Author: Mauve juggernaut The school doesn't have a choice. "AA" allows "URM"s to get into a level higher than they ordinarily ought to. The types of student URMs they should have accepted went to higher ranked schools.
This female should have gone to a lesser ranked school, but she wanted more $$$, and can't hack it.
I've NEVER seen so blatant a blame game before, anywhere. There is no shame in that one. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:32 PM Author: big-titted persian i think my theory makes more sense. blacks have been failing out of law schools for a long time. this is the first AA-admit that has "blamed" a school for admitting her despite her ttt numbers. and the way she has purposefully publicized it is suspicious. no one publicizes their failure like that, especially in an ultra-competitive environment like LS where supposed intellect is a desirable commodity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135028) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:35 PM Author: henna judgmental giraffe Maybe this is a new trend. A black guy in the UK recently won a lawsuit, claiming that he was promoted due to his race alone and because he wasn't qualified, did a bad job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135050) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:41 PM Author: big-titted persian it's almost unthinkable: suing someone for giving you an "advantage." do you have a link to the UK case? i'd like to read it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135093) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:47 PM Author: henna judgmental giraffe I don't have a link off hand, but if you google "UK, Scotland Yard, affirmative action, lawsuit" or something like that, I'm sure it'll come up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135139) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:06 PM Author: big-titted persian U.K.: "over-promoted" bodyguard wins $50K While on the subject of Britain: "A black police bodyguard who protected the Duchess of Cornwall has won [A]$70,000 compensation [roughly U.S. $53,000] after suing Scotland Yard for 'over-promoting' him because of political correctness." Sgt. Leslie Turner's "representatives argued he landed the prestigious job as Camilla's bodyguard only because he was black. It was claimed that as a result of being over-promoted and not receiving proper training and support, Sgt Turner made mistakes which led to him being re-assigned....Had Sgt Turner's case reached a tribunal, potentially embarrassing secrets about Charles and Camilla's lives may have been aired." ("Camilla's protector paid out", Daily Mail/Melbourne Herald Sun, Jan. 8)(via Taranto). Writes Gary Collard at SarcastiPundit (Jan. 10), "The amazing thing is that it wasn't a US trial lawyer who first thought of this."
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:37 PM Author: racy gay wizard "no one publicizes their failure like that, especially in an ultra-competitive environment like LS where supposed intellect is a desirable commodity " I don't know if I agree in her case. She seems to be a dumb non-trad on top of being an underqualified URM. It seems like they would pick a more sympathetic plant if they were attacking a system. It is too easy to pin blame directly on her. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:48 PM Author: soul-stirring community account what do you consider non-trad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135153) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:05 PM Author: big-titted persian if you're > 22 yrs old and still a 1L, you're a non-trad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135296) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: soul-stirring community account then i guess non-trad are way overrepresented in law review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135367) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: racy gay wizard I'm not sure I have an exact cut-off, but she's definitely one. In one email she references a class she took in her early 30's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135372) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:42 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Thank you for sharing your wisdom after you have "just read the emails." I appreciate it... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135102) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 9:44 PM Author: big-titted persian haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135117) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:08 PM Author: Duck-like Stimulating House Double Fault $100 says clarence thomas put her up to this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135320) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:22 PM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part If he didn't his protege did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135414) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:09 PM Author: turquoise coldplay fan Since when is CU not a TTT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135323) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: Titillating dog poop windowlicker This sounds like flame.
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: flatulent native deer antler They did not provide her with sufficient academic resources, did not properly inform her of statistics that pointed to her likely academic failure, and flat out lied about certain things like the diversity internship. Actually not a bad argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5135871) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: gold property idiot Yeah, she's a real fucking victim here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136218) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: garnet nibblets Agreed -- not bad. But she oversteps by making grand statements about slavery and ancestors and all that. Not saying it isn't important, but it detracts from her point. She could've made the same argument in 1/4 of the space. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136258) |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:56 PM Author: gold property idiot Am I understanding this bitch correctly? She says "don't treat me like a victim." And then says "i'm a victim." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136278) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:31 AM Author: heady plaza stock car when is a school required to inform their admits of statistics that would point to likely academic failure? and if they have to point her to likely academic failure, why should they be admitting her in the first place? what's the point of admitting someone you think is going to fail? they lied about the diversity internship? oh, you mean that little thing called gpa that they neglected to mention? those fucking crooks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136539) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 9:56 AM Author: henna judgmental giraffe You really think CU is in the wrong here?
What academic resources were they supposed to provide her with? She said that she thought she understood the material in her torts class and thus presumably didn't think she needed any help.
Why should CU have to point out the obvious? Schools are under no obligation to do this, and a lot of people would be insulted if they did. Moreover, the school's medians are public information, she should have done her own research and realized that her numbers weren't competitive.
About the diversity internship, who knows what happened with that. Perhaps that was due to factors beyond the school's control, i.e. certain employers rightfully refusing to consider students w/o looking at their transcripts. |
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Date: February 19th, 2006 11:56 PM Author: garnet nibblets Also, is this that different from high schools that encourage nearly everyone to take AP classes, knowing full well they can't handle it, just to get their rankings up? A lot of how schools are measured is by the number, or percentage, of students taking AP classes. I don't know anybody that would think this is a good practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136277) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:04 AM Author: Rough-skinned Crystalline Antidepressant Drug It is in the sense that AP classes typically give you a letter grade bump, so there is benefit to the higher difficulty even if the exam isn't passed.
Also, it's somewhat screwed up to say that it's unfair for schools to push too many kids to take AP when the best research on schools in low-income areas typically refers to a highly challenging college oriented curriculum as key. |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:11 AM Author: Irradiated Angry Liquid Oxygen What an ungrateful bitch. Someone should take away her food stamps and diabetes medication. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136412) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 12:20 AM Author: big-titted persian go advocate for gay-AA at your TTT you intellectual faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5136466) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 9:00 AM Author: yapping background story faggot firefighter "I understand that many academically-prepared black students also obtained clerkships over the past few years. Some of these black students have graduated from Ivy League universities and/or come from families where their parents are lawyers, accountants, teachers, and other professionals. I'm sure they always had enough to eat as a child and witnessed their parents reading a book other than the bible."
Hahahaha. So, this trick is mad because Black kids from the Ivy League won clerkships over Black kids from a TTT? This girl is ridiculous and I can see that she would never have made a good lawyer. All of her "arguments" sound more like personal grievances than anything else.
Newsflash: Prepare yourself for success and you won't have to worry about other Black people or other minorities taking "diversity spots." Why was she doing a clinic anyway when she obviously couldn't handle the basics? Why misallocate your time resources that way? |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 9:17 AM Author: violet base telephone This is unbelievable. Wait until Rush gets a hold of this.
How in THE HELL do you get a D+ in torts? That seems impossible.
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:02 AM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part Wait until Rush gets a hold of this?
God, you're lame. |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:03 AM Author: violet base telephone Hey, I didn't get the D+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138241) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:05 AM Author: Lascivious Massive University Party Of The First Part But you're a failure at life... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138247) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:42 AM Author: violet base telephone STFU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138412) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 11:12 AM Author: Know-it-all Main People Heaven black people complain way too much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5138267) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 4:12 PM Author: cruel-hearted goal in life meetinghouse D+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140348) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 7:33 AM Author: adventurous embarrassed to the bone field quadroon maybe, just maybe that would be a solid A- at the university of denver (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905423) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 4:26 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Lay i found her arguments pretty compelling, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140557) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 4:36 PM Author: big-titted persian me too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140671) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:22 PM Author: bright insecure gas station karate The problem is her bizarre statements about how speaking to her in person is harrassment, etc. She comes across as personality-disordered, which makes her a pretty bad spokewoman for the cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5141026) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: Beta pocket flask "I suffer from a thyroid condition that has created a goiter in my neck."
Thanks, Bush! |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: racy gay wizard That was an incredibly weird addition to those emails. That line alone makes me assume that she has a history of blaming other conditions/people for her problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140946) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: talented ocher public bath I don't see this on her website anywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140947) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: racy gay wizard It has been removed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140951) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: talented ocher public bath Didn't anyone post them anywhere. Why did she remove them. Darnit I really wanted to see this bizarre thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140967) |
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Date: February 20th, 2006 5:15 PM Author: racy gay wizard They are copy+pasted somewhere in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5140974) |
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Date: February 27th, 2006 9:43 PM Author: fighting space how did this play out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5203928) |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 9:33 PM Author: exhilarant bbw whorehouse Bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5521936) |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 10:04 PM Author: swashbuckling misanthropic mediation state well so far this year on lsn the average accepted students have a 3.52/163.7, not exactly hys but def t1 quality.
they havent stopped the practice at all, here's a girl with a 3.15/151 getting a 39,000. hmm, 10+ points lower than the schools median = scholarship??? i didnt really think aa was a big deal till i found lsn.
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=snowbird |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 10:24 PM Author: blathering ultramarine philosopher-king "i didnt really think aa was a big deal till i found lsn."
this is a common reaction. |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 10:20 PM Author: Fragrant flickering chapel mood "I, along with most blacks, cannot reasonably choose to attend an undergraduate or graduate school with our "peers." Why would I attend a tier 3 or 4 school when I can attend a tier 1 school and receive a full-tuition scholarship during my first year. Since employers know that Affirmative Action is practiced in virtually every law school, they reasonably believe my University of Colorado Law degree should be a for instance, Nova University degree, and maybe, just maybe a University of Denver degree. I would love to have attended a school with my peers instead of going through the "hell" I've experienced at CU."
- this is reasonable. |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 9:00 AM Author: Aphrodisiac queen of the night police squad also, 'nova is pretty much interchangeable with Nova. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905476) |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 10:25 PM Author: Fragrant flickering chapel mood "Nevertheless, this does not abolish CU's equitable duty to give underqualified students information that is particularly relevant to their situation. Without this information, it is difficult for them to make an informed decision about whether to attend a top law school."
- what top school? |
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Date: April 5th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: swashbuckling misanthropic mediation state top 43 this year!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#5522310) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 8:14 AM Author: pearly ratface shitlib Dear Admit, GPA and LSAT are supposed to be good predictors of how one performs in law school. Your GPA and LSAT are both in the bottom quartile for our school. Therefore, although you have been admitted, it is unlikely that you will be a high performer here. HTFH.
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Date: April 10th, 2007 9:05 AM Author: Aphrodisiac queen of the night police squad I'm probably wrong about this, but isnt the LSAT the only even somewhat reliable predictor of exam success? I dont believe there is any evidence to suggest that those with the highest UG GPA's do the best in law school. Of course, I have nothing to back this up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905482) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 10:07 AM Author: pearly ratface shitlib I'm sure it's not a perfect correlation but if all law students went to the same law school I'd put my money on the 3.7+/170+ crowd to dominate the top 1%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905650) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 10:36 AM Author: Aphrodisiac queen of the night police squad I agree with your hypo, but at actual law schools, I recall reading that the stats show little if any correlation b/t UG grades and performance. But again, I cant back this up. LSAT is the only reliable predictor, and even the lsat fails in many individual cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905749) |
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Date: April 21st, 2007 7:03 AM Author: Rough-skinned Crystalline Antidepressant Drug The LSAT is the best we have,
UGPA might be better if the majors weren't spread from sociology to engineering |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 3:57 AM Author: arrogant sinister market nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905338) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 4:28 AM Author: deranged striped hyena wow, she is a terrible writer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905364) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 10:16 AM Author: swashbuckling misanthropic mediation state the plus side of aa, a lot of them will never pass the bar anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905688) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 10:36 AM Author: cracking cocky locale marketing idea Someone really ought to find out who this is. I think her first name is Courtney. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=363744&forum_id=2#7905747) |
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Date: April 21st, 2007 4:32 PM Author: out-of-control gaming laptop pit Courtney West
http://cublawg.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_cublawg_archive.html |