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Otto bro tried to hang himself and failed
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:03 AM Author: seedy outnumbered office laser beams Just turned himself into a veggie, this is why the family opted not to do an autopsy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607316) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 6:14 AM Author: indigo forum (N. Korean troll) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607536) |
Date: June 21st, 2017 2:04 AM Author: Wine laughsome legend gaming laptop twist: there's no way of knowing that UNLESS they performed an autopsy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607321) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:05 AM Author: contagious field Hard to explain the brain damage otherwise. The doctors probably told the family privately to avoid (perceived) embarrassment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607325) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:08 AM Author: seedy outnumbered office laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607328) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:13 AM Author: Wine laughsome legend gaming laptop there's no way the brain damage could've been caused by guards choking him out, or asphyxiation due to some unimaginable torture or sadistic experimentation? keep in mind that we're speculating about the conduct of an alien insect species, and not actual human beings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607338) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:24 AM Author: contagious field Possible but inconsistent with their prior treatment of white people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607361) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:43 PM Author: pale theater shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614019) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:44 AM Author: Lime whorehouse cuck The reality is it's pretty unlikely they were intentionally going to go medieval on him. Something happened that wasn't supposed to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635502) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:46 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635515) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: Lime whorehouse cuck Couldn't find that after a quick search. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635523) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:54 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635547) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:15 AM Author: Sooty idiot roast beef what would the autopsy have revealed that the docs couldn't see on MRIs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607343) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:19 AM Author: lascivious regret https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6516732 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607349) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:22 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607356) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:24 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607360) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:28 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607369) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:31 AM Author: seedy outnumbered office laser beams Bullshit. Ive seen CSI. They can zoom in and do 3d models of this shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607374) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:33 AM Author: lascivious regret In other words, you were the lowest of the grunts in your lab.
Like I said, 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:44 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607407) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:51 AM Author: lascivious regret And yet here you are in shitlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607429) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:55 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607442) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:43 AM Author: Aqua property no, youre not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607761) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613719) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 9:08 AM Author: pale theater shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33636136) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 7:43 AM Author: Appetizing french mad-dog skullcap pretty sure he was an EMT at one point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607633) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:49 AM Author: lascivious regret EMTs are often good people. but EMT training is very sparse on pathology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607777) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613717) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:02 PM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer thinking EMT training curriculum is a state secret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613738) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:41 PM Author: Fighting potus rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614007) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635495) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:46 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL Shitlawyer trying to insinuate that EMTs are trained in histopathology (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635514) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:55 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635551) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: lascivious regret "I probably have the most medical training on xo, except for the doctor who posts here."
^ 1200 SAT -> deluded FL shitlawyer whose grandiosity never ceases to amaze |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:59 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635562) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: lascivious regret lmao at deluded 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635588) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635597) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:10 AM Author: lascivious regret You're done here. Stop posturing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635603) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:11 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635605) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:13 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> unselfaware FL shitlawyer who got pwned repeatedly for goalpost relocation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635610) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:53 AM Author: Sooty idiot roast beef hmmm interesting but i don't know nearly enough about this stuff to evaluate it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607435) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:01 AM Author: lascivious regret "Injury was largely confined to the CA1 layer of the hippocampus.": hippocampus is especially sensitive to oxygen deprivation and atrophies in hypoxic state.
"In both experimental models two types of cell change were prominent: coagulative cell change which was restricted to neurons, and edematous cell change which was largely confined to astrocytes.": neurons clump together, while a non-neuronal type of cells called astrocytes swell in hypoxia.
"Studies on cerebral microcirculation revealed a close relationship between areas of reduced flow and areas with structural damage. Cytochemical demonstration of subcellular calcium indicated an early and important redistribution of this cation, indicative for toxic calcium overload in the cytosol.": you see higher than normal levels of calcium inside cells.
It is true that the prolonged coma could make pathologic analysis difficult, but as the quoted pathologist says, an autopsy could have led to either positive information confirming a cause, or negative information to rule out botulism, etc. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:05 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607454) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:07 AM Author: lascivious regret only on xo does a 1200 SAT FL shitlawyer second guess pathology attendings on autopsies lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607456) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:11 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607462) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:13 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607463) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:14 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607465) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:17 AM Author: lascivious regret Well, first of all, the poasted quotes from the path guy are generalizable statements.
Second, even with reduced chances of finding satisfactory evidence, an autopsy is much likelier to yield useful info than no autopsy. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:18 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607469) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:19 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer's idea of an argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607470) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:22 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607473) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:25 AM Author: lascivious regret “When you don’t do that, then families often linger with nagging questions that may have been resolved at autopsy,” he said, adding that examinations in this case could also be important for international affairs. “An autopsy is the way that you are best able to get good evidence. That is, it matters.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607476) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:37 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607487) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:47 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer moving the goalpoast from why autopsy won't yield meaningful info to other extra-medical reasons for not having an autopsy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607774) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:07 AM Author: Sooty idiot roast beef tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607457) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:52 PM Author: lascivious regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613674) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:20 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607352) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:44 AM Author: lascivious regret “The most important thing I think it could tell us is the general nature of what caused the brain damage and it might give us some idea if it was continuing or in the past,” said Victor Weedn, a forensic pathologist and professor of forensic sciences at George Washington University.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/06/20/what-an-autopsy-could-tell-us-about-otto-warmbiers-death/?utm_term=.3f98bb340aad |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:47 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607418) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:48 AM Author: lascivious regret "Weedn said an autopsy may also help to rule out causes, including trauma or infection. In some cases, he said, autopsies can help find discrepancies in stories." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607426) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:58 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607445) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:02 AM Author: lascivious regret ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607450) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:17 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607346) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:32 AM Author: bull headed french chef macaca if this were true, why would nk make up the ridiculous botulism story? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607376) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:32 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607377) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: bull headed french chef macaca you could explain anything with a stupid argument like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607383) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: lascivious regret You're talking to a 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607386) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:45 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607409) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:11 AM Author: Sooty idiot roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607459) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: contagious field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607387) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:40 AM Author: Sooty idiot roast beef it's their MO
they could have come up with a bunch of much more plausible stories than the crazy and obviously untrue story about the church/used car payment, for example, which seems like it was developed by a low-level propaganda worker who just jumbled a bunch of words together without actually understanding how western culture operates
the botulism "explanation" has that same tint of surrealism |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:46 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607411) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:51 AM Author: slate temple community account (Guy wondering why Trump would say he fired Comey due to Rodstein memo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607428) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:46 PM Author: at-the-ready parlor sex offender (guy with "Rodstein" as one of his cell phone contacts) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614059) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: Mind-boggling National (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635522) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:26 AM Author: aromatic home There was speculation almost immediately that there was a gap in translation. They said botulism but maybe meant food poisoning.
Either way - 'he's in a coma because we gave him a sleeping pill and he didn't wake up' is perfectly North Korean. They tried to help him and him being in a coma is his fault bc he didn't wake up. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:42 AM Author: cracking aquamarine casino North Korea is known to do asphyxiation torture to prisoners. Some guard probably went too far and caused permanent damage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607754) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:03 PM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613750) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:42 PM Author: slate temple community account This is likely true. He was blubbering on tv at one point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614017) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: lascivious regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635488) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: soggy jew Why make up a botulism story and sleeping pill scenario if this were true?
I call bullshit. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:51 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635534) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:53 AM Author: soggy jew I think he was oxygen deprived, but I don't think it was self-inflicted.
This whole "no autopsy to avoid embarrassment" wouldn't rule out torture or self-inflicted.
The family probably doesn't need to know more than what they already do. An autopsy 18 months later wouldn't get them any more closure than not having one at this point. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635554) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: Deep Ultramarine Hissy Fit Marketing Idea I was actually in agreement with the op until I read this. This is a compelling point. Even if they were unreasonably prone to lying, it seems like they would come up with a lie more closely aligned with what really happened. Their story was weird as fuck, which makes me think the truth is also weird as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635599) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:09 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635601) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:22 AM Author: soggy jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum
"Use by country[edit] North Korea[edit] North Korea is alleged by retired US Army intelligence officer Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer to have used Sodium Pentothal on Otto Warmbier. Shaffer believes mental degredation was caused by overuse of the compound. North Korea blamed the condition on use of a sleeping pill and botulism"
That would explain the rationale for toxicity and brain chemistry that they were afraid would be uncovered. Also explains Warmbier's zombie like appearance at court. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:25 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635636) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:27 AM Author: soggy jew This pretty much explains why they were going for a drug/toxicity factor instead of oxygen deprivation.
Close to the truth, but a different cause. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:33 AM Author: Chartreuse indian lodge holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635653) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 6:21 AM Author: contagious field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635958) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: red heady market Actually, I think he succeeded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635592) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 3:08 AM Author: Pontificating puppy base It was fan death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635744) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 3:12 AM Author: Ocher hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635752) |