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CharlesXII check out this super aspie book about WWII
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 10:28 AM Author: Rambunctious chapel http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/10/second-world-wars.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34500922) |
Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:34 PM Author: Bright Den VDH's classical warfare scholarship is interesting but I've never found his modern warfare books that engaging. That said a lot of those have some political angle so if this one doesn't maybe it's better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34501779) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:39 PM Author: Mint Therapy "VDH's classical warfare scholarship is interesting"
weird pro-A War Like No Other flame |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:50 PM Author: Bright Den Actually was thinking of Western Way of War. Have not read AWLNO yet though I may eventually.
I'm friends with a military historian who has strong disagreements with VDH's scholarship which is amusing at times. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:22 PM Author: Mint Therapy it's awful, it's basically a thinly veiled Iraq War apologia that makes less sense the more you know about the Peloponnesian War (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503529) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:36 PM Author: Bright Den Man, now I almost want to read it just to see how the hell he pulls that off, because Iraq and the 2nd Peloponnesian War are...not really similar at all, as far as I can tell. Does he just make a lot out of the lack of regular pitched battles? The book gets cited in a bibliography I have where it notes his observation the entire 20+ years of war only had a few hours of traditional hoplite combat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503622) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:38 PM Author: Rambunctious chapel Dude, this makes it obvious that you were not a college student during the first Bush term. EVERYONE was comparing Iraq to Peloponnesian War because they were both examples of IMPERIAL OVERSTRETCH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503632) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:38 PM Author: Bright Den I was in 8th grade when Bush got reelected, LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503637) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:39 PM Author: Rambunctious chapel as a college freshman I literally wrote an "Iraq = Peloponnesian War" final paper and got an A on it in a Political Science class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503646) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Bright Den It just seems like such a flawed analogy on so many levels. It's like when everybody tries to claim America is 5th-century Rome or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503711) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:53 PM Author: Mint Therapy that's a traditional bad analogy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503768) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:54 PM Author: Bright Den CR.
That said I'm increasingly a fan of the America = late Republican Rome analogy. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 5:00 PM Author: Mint Therapy Cicero = Hillary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503832) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 5:03 PM Author: Bright Den You ever see this? Some professors did a stylized summary of a Cicero speech to imagine how it may have sounded to a Roman in the forum. It's totally a 2015 Trump speech:
http://dcc.dickinson.edu/cicero-de-imperio/speech-summary
The amazing thing is this summary predates Trump's run. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:38 PM Author: Mint Therapy I actually stopped reading it a few chapters in; my brother says it didn't really get any better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503640) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Bright Den Believable. VDH isn't an amazing read at the best of times, so when he's also shoving politics down your throat it can be really bad.
The Savior-Generals was an especially strange book; he tries to make the dubious claim the Union was on the brink of losing the Civil War until Sherman showed up and turned the tide in the Atlanta Campaign. That is...a very tenuous argument. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Rambunctious chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771345&forum_id=2#34503504) |