Some electrician fell off the roof putting in solar panels, when OSHA came in and did the investigation found not only an illegal basement, but an illegal attic

this was a legal two family turned into a illegal 4 family

short answer: Chinese landlord

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111483)

was like WTF? than I remembered that EITC. I do like it though it's not welfare, it's workfare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111537)

blackmail the dude

that should get you up to about $100k/yr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111561)

I am, however, actually taking the bar since I have a buddy who is swamped and wants to start a shingle with me. He has ample business and wants to scale up and I'm the only person he trusts. So I don't think I will stick at this income much past this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113233)

it's not that hard to be frugal, to be responsible, to live within your means.

you pick and choose your fun activities and you minimize bullshit purchases

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113362)

the people it really works for are conservatives because they aren't looking to feel sorry for themselves or feel less privileged than the joneses who have more. yes, there are libs who can pull this off, but they are a different breed from today's libs, basically the extinct happy libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115021)

2. kids who come from these situations often work hard to be able to do better for themselves. have several friends who more or less grew up in this situation, had good parents, good childhood, worked hard, and are in good/decent schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129591)

Yeah, retirement deep into your 60s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117399)

but that's a reality of only making $60k/yr

with the right mindset, the tradeoff is easily worth it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117778)

Donald Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118175)

With no rent or mortgage and minimal housing taxes, 60k a year is a dream

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113207)

In flyover, they combine their incomes to pay off $110k houses over the course of many decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113348)

in are country? less paycheck to paycheck, can save a bit for kids college, stuff away a bit more for retirement, take a few regional vacations. it's harder than it used to be (60k now isn't what it was 15 years ago) but still doable

you have to consider that people making this are a) always buying cheap used import cars with around 70k miles that are easy to fix, b) never ever considering private schools (hell, getting into an ivy would be the best thing--they wouldn't pay a dime), c) spending SIGNIFICANTLY less than most xoers do on takeout and going out to eat. if proles eat out it's usually fast food, maybe go to a restaurant once every couple weeks.

you're taking home about 45k on 60k married with kids, and a 170k mortgage is probably about 1200/mo. it's more than doable to actually own a home on this salary in are country and build a little equity. obviously expensive metros are different, where you rent paycheck to paycheck and just have to save what you can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115012)

"orange county"

lololololol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116722)

XO posters are just spoiled and have no idea how most people live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116138)

Don't eat out much. Simple vacations. My kids are all small, 7 and under. I'd like to pay for catholic school but I don't think we qualify for any tuition assistance. That's probably my only regret. Another year for pslf.

Wife is a sahm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117364)

Not really doable in OC unless you cram 10 Mexicans under one roof in la habra.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117746)

kids seem to be pussies these days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122424)

in reality, most people, including most of our middle class parents, understand and understood that they would have to work shitty jobs to pay the bills until their mid-to-late 60s, and then retire with decent security if not luxury.

you make intense sacrifices when you have kids and have to learn to run a serious household budget. $60K isn't much and it means poverty if coupled with kids in our society. but millions of people are living within these means. it's just a different standard of expectation and a lifestyle that most of the idiotic neckbeard gamers and ugly, unremarkable lawyers on ZoZo are too myopic to comprehend. xoxohth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129245)