America Is Not a Democracy [The Atlantic]
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Date: January 31st, 2018 8:51 AM Author: dark insecure abode police squad
The problem goes even deeper than that. In America’s imagined past, members of Congress had a strong sense of place. Democrats might have risen through the ranks of local trade unions or schoolhouses. Republicans might have been local business or community leaders. Members of both parties lived lives intertwined with those of their constituents. But spend some time reading the biographies of your representatives in Congress, and you’ll notice, as I did, that by the time they reach office, many politicians have already been socialized into a cultural, educational, and financial elite that sets them apart from average Americans. While some representatives do have strong roots in their district, for many others the connection is tenuous at best. Even for those members who were born and raised in the part of the country they represent, that place is for many of them not their true home. Educated at expensive colleges, likely on the coasts, they spend their 20s and 30s in the nation’s great metropolitan centers. After stints in law, business, or finance, or on Capitol Hill, they move to the hinterlands out of political ambition. Once they retire from Congress, even if they retain some kind of home in their district, few make it the center of their lives: They seem much more likely than their predecessors to pursue lucrative opportunities in cities such as New York, San Francisco, and, of course, Washington. By just about every metric—from life experience to education to net worth—these politicians are thoroughly disconnected from the rest of the population.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/
I didn't think the Atlantic could actually write something good.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286407) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 9:19 AM Author: Harsh stain
"With liberalism now under concerted attack from the Trump administration, which has declared war on independent institutions such as the FBI and has used the president’s pulpit to bully ethnic and religious minorities, it’s perhaps understandable that many thinkers are willing to give up a modicum of democracy to protect the rule of law and the country’s most vulnerable groups."
lol, the FBI is "independent" now? what happened to the old lib "line" that the FBI was run by a cabal of right-wingers to infiltrate and wreck leftist groups?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286505) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Primrose mind-boggling toaster lodge
"what happened to the old lib "line" that the FBI was run by a cabal of right-wingers to infiltrate and wreck leftist groups?"
There's a difference between independent from political beliefs and independent from the presidency
edit: fuck my ass i just realized i said i was retiring last night and here i am
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288086) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 9:26 AM Author: Orchid dashing house lettuce
"While some representatives do have strong roots in their district, for many others the connection is tenuous at best. Even for those members who were born and raised in the part of the country they represent, that place is for many of them not their true home. Educated at expensive colleges, likely on the coasts, they spend their 20s and 30s in the nation’s great metropolitan centers."
Hm I think that's probably just libs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286539) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Elite Range Knife
the USA actually is a democracy, though
our citizens democratically elected trump despite basically every single institution and prominent public figure being vehemently against him
if that's not a democracy, i don't know what is. clearly WE THE PEOPLE do in fact wield the agency to select our own leaders
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286922) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: cracking impertinent chapel
private school in indondesia or wherever hes from, private school in hawaii, ivy league in new york, harvard law...
law professor at uchicago.
thats not joe the plumber.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287214) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:44 PM Author: marvelous rehab
alright I'm not going to get into some subthread wasteland with you. Blacks are not capable of living in an advanced society - do you dispute that? Do you find it just a little odd that whites have invented the modern world at a time when blacks still ran around with spears. Why do you think they were made slaves in the first place? the only thing blacks ever invented was aids. Now, "white privilege" is actually majority privilege. Does an asian guy have "asian privilege" in tokyo? Now, to the extent that blacks are here we attempt to give them programs and aid, like AA, congressional black caucus, diversity initiatives, etc.. to help them out. But, their failures are not a result of white privilege, they are a result of their low iq, poor discipline, and lack of evolutionary pressure - this brings us back to my point about blacks running around with spears at a time when whites invented the fucking submarine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287863) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:45 PM Author: cracking impertinent chapel
top 10 response of all time, imo.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292127)
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Elite Range Knife
democracy isn't defined by *who* is elected, it's defined by *how* the leaders are selected
the leaders of a country will always be the elite, no matter what the structure of government is, for obvious reasons
the USA is a democracy because we democratically elect our leaders, and our elections are actually quite by-the-book with very little fraud
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287257) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 1:05 PM Author: contagious overrated volcanic crater
The author is wrong. Politicians (at the federal level) in the past exhibited a more elitist, aristocratic, above-it-all tone. They cut deals in smoke-filled rooms and regarded activists and their respective party bases as annoyances. The crafting of legislation and budgets was done largely out of sight. The advent of the 24-hour news cycle and politicized news outlets has increased political activism and party base participation in primaries. Most members of Congress are now activists for their respective tribe, and more moderate members are slowly being culled from the ranks. The Supreme Court reflects this shift. To be approved you need to show that you were loyal to your respective side going as far back as your college days. That wasn't necessarily the case 40+ years ago.
That politicians are more likely to have attended an elite school and live in a major city is indicative of the declining prospects of rural and ex-urban areas. I don't see it necessarily as a decline in "democracy." At the federal level, politicians are actually too responsive to their constituents. Very few are willing to cross their constituents (either out of ideology or fear of a primary) to work on legislation and each continually appears in public to show loyalty to their respective tribe.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288057) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 PM Author: indigo irradiated school cafeteria
The plebs will never participate meaningfully in government. They don't have the ability to master the details, although I believe they have a lot of common sense.
The best they can hope for is healthy competition between elite factions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292173) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 9:54 PM Author: Boyish Flickering Selfie Field
we never had democracy. founding fathers knew better to avoid that catastrophe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGfFXc0TwhU&t=290s
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292211)
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