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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304948) |
Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304982) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: slimy dashing hall brb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304992) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Heady ebony mad cow disease mood Jfc libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305005) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Lavender nofapping sandwich property 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305007) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: bright corn cake Hold up bros. Has CNN cleared the public to view? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305019) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Bateful scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305207) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: chartreuse trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305246) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:18 PM Author: opaque bat shit crazy faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307568) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Plum legal warrant marketing idea Lmao that's it?!?!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305025) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Heady ebony mad cow disease mood Yep, Hillary paid a spy to make shit up about Trump and the Obama DOJ and FBI went along with it to spy on Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305037) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Adventurous impertinent hospital fat ankles That’s it??? She’s done much worse, believe me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305052) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Nah. Don't forget that the dossier was initially funded by anti-Trump conservatives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305259) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode The dossier? I don't believe Steele came on until after the anti-Trump republicans were done with this because Trump was the nominee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305526) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Adventurous impertinent hospital fat ankles Lol at your blown out asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305044) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode https://i.redd.it/lcqsfzfsrtd01.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305026) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: racy house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305035) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Laughsome weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305036) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: talented famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305038) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: bearded digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305056) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: aphrodisiac school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305061) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: slippery chapel immigrant 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305067) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Big Resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305096) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: disturbing kitchen dopamine ==^o^== (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305648) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: Doobsian Beady-eyed Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305970) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: white base karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305973) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:46 PM Author: stirring party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306601) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Bonkers electric furnace faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306801) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Laughsome weed whacker what the fuck is the argument against not making this public? because it makes the fbi look to be incompetent at best? LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305032) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration Destroys the libs russia narrative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305039) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Big Resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305100) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: federal cracking cruise ship macaca There isn't a good argument for keeping it secret.
But on the same token, the response memo that Schiff wrote needs to become public, too. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Laughsome weed whacker generally agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305216) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Adventurous impertinent hospital fat ankles Lmao I eagerly await its release (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305408) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:33 PM Author: saffron territorial french chef garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307083) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode There's literally nothing in here that's even remotely sensitive (except libs gaped assholds)
Libs? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: opaque bat shit crazy faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307598) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:19 PM Author: soul-stirring balding field black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309982) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:38 PM Author: coral thirsty theater stage mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310161) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Erotic filthy sanctuary wow this shit is ruthless lmao these niggas are FUCKED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305068) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena Wagers on how far xoTrump made it before switching to the TV for detailed analysis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305081) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: bronze arousing wagecucks I made it a half a page, so he probably made it a sentence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305139) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: Doobsian Beady-eyed Lodge i read the whole damn thing but im heavily gakked a/t/m (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305974) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: contagious bearded half-breed range 180 how much tutu? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306737) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Adventurous impertinent hospital fat ankles Lol at your pathetic attempts to avoid acknowledging how bad this is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305152) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: mustard national background story ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305244) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena Obama won't be POTUS anymore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305252) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Talking hissy fit community account he will but so will trump, prob for the next 7 years, def the next 3. sry about your tiny pink tainted investigation, and sry for youre lots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306457) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Hairraiser grizzly location nibblets i don't think he looked at the first word (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306490) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Big Resort Yep, it is what I expected it would be. Heads need to roll.
Also, Democrats need to now explain why they wanted this withheld and what they wanted to be censored. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Stimulating Salmon Heaven cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305187) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: chartreuse trailer park wasn't it changed(!) by some politician (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305258) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Roll for what? Page had been under investigation and the target of a FISA warrant in 2013. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305268) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Big Resort If the root of that warrant is DNC politically motivated research (which wasn't even disclosed) and the whole thing is a DNC op then that's corruption of the highest order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305357) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Wrong. Dossier was started by a Republican anti-Trumper. Why do you keep forgetting that? Also, the memo doesn't say that the warrant was based solely on the dossier. It says that it was the impetus behind the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305384) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:01 PM Author: bright corn cake Explain how that doesn't make the dossier politically motivated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305410) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert I too would like to hear this explanation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305593) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Hairraiser grizzly location nibblets Dossier was started by a non-government entity, so not sure why you think that matters
If a Republican sees his Democrat neighbor murder someone and reports it to the police bc he hates Democrats, can the police not investigate the murder? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:41 PM Author: bright corn cake If not a big deal then why conceal it? You don't think the judge would be interested in that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306549) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:35 PM Author: saffron territorial french chef garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307105) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Ruddy titillating stage gaming laptop If murders are investigated by secret courts using unknown criteria with no accountability, then yes, it would be deeply problematic and super not okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307918) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:46 PM Author: claret gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309245) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode It says the dossier was essential to the warrant, and McCabe (?) has said it they wouldn't have applied for the warrant without it.
And again, I don't believe Steele was brought in while the Republicans were involved. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:05 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank Its not just that they used the dossier, its also that they omitted material facts about the nature of the dossier from the FISC judge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307401) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: vivacious mewling brunch Interesting. So in the 3 years they were investigating Carter Page prior to seeking further authorization from a FISA court to investigate him, the best they came up with was a fake news oppo research memo paid for by the DNC featuring dossier information culled from 4chan trolls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305560) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: aphrodisiac school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305847) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:29 PM Author: Big Resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307047) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Bistre site this honestly doesnt seem that amazing after all the buildup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305104) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305111) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: bearded digit ratio if by that u mean followed twitter accounts that said all this stuff and then regurgitated it on the bort then lol i guess so i guess so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305121) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: bright corn cake Fuck that we have xo lawman8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305161) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305171) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:34 PM Author: saffron territorial french chef garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307101) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Big Resort I mean, pretty convincing evidence that a) the whole investigation is a political conspiracy by Democrats, and b) the FISA court is prone to being BSed by the deep state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305114) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:42 PM Author: autistic codepig I suspect this kind of concealment happens all the time with FISA warrants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305226) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit And the Republicans just renewed FISA without any of the privacy protections that Democrats had wanted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305273) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: supple church old irish cottage all warrants really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305279) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender Shorter memo: prosscum gonna prosscum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305316) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Jade Nubile Therapy ljl, took me a second to realize that wasn't latin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305601) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:07 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank at should be a big deal when it happens to someone who might be elected President (or really, to any other office) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307415) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration Proof that the DNC and Hillary funded fake opposition research was used by the FBI/DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign
Pretty fucking damning
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Bistre site yes but no one will be arrested or killed over this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305136) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration Grab a stick, we're smacking some piñatas around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305157) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: aphrodisiac school but they will be strung up like piñatas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305159) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305169) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: bearded digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305174) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Bistre site definitely true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305179) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena DESCRIBE the evangelical reaction if BHO smashed Diamond Jackson when Michelle was pregnant with Sasha, then paid her $120K to keep quiet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305201) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305204) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Honey-headed rehab I’m gonna have to google diamond Jackson later but I’m going to go out on a limb and say not good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305994) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:10 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender Hilarious that EPAH had the absolutely perfect Stormy Daniels equivalent black pornstar ready to reference off the top of his head. But let's not kid ourselves. Barry would've definitely cheated with a white or maybe hapa pornstar. Best case a super light skinned one.
The funniest part would've been right after the news broke when Michelle would've put him in the hospital doing straight up Harambe on his not really Black ass. And no one would care what evangelicals would think about this because Black women would be engaging in ritual mass suicide by the millions. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender Fake news. You have like a half a dozen FBI top brass, all of whom had plenty of discretion to decide to not pursue it. It's not like Comey and his people were beloved or in perfect lockstep with Obama or Hillary during all of this given how the email saga dragged out. Perkins Coie paying for the memo is absolutely unremarkable. Shit doesn't get weird until you hear that they didn't mention anything about the source of the memo, Steele's bias, Ohr's wife working at F GPS, and that was all the FBI being fucking prosscum.
A much more plausible reading of these events is that all of them genuinely believed that Trump must be up to something because it just broke their brains too badly to try to understand how much the country hates them and their political establishment. And it's not as if Page was the only shady-ass motherfucker involved in the Trump campaign. Manafort was basically low level Russian gangster. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: indigo market round eye This memo is just the beginning. Will spread to other areas such as McCabe letting Hillary off on the emails, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305368) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit By McCabe letting Hillary off on the emails, do you mean co-authoring the letter about the emails that ruined her chance of winning the election? I mean, even Trump said that the FBI had acted unfairly to Hillary, and that's why he had to fire FBI Director Comey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305390) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: sienna corner No man it's worse than watergate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305126) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305130) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: federal cracking cruise ship macaca Let's impeach Obama then! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305144) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: aphrodisiac school this poster makes a good point. Obama is not president anymore so who cares about how corrupt he was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305170) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Mauve bat-shit-crazy twinkling uncleanness Convict. Who will pardon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310952) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Big Resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305156) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305106) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena TLS authors need to learn how to write a memo. What's the conclusion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305116) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: mustard national background story This is worse than TLS. Who wrote this tttt mess? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305251) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender Yeah, not seeing Gateway Pundit's four unleaked revelations. The McCabe claim re dependency is the only new info here, and it's pretty suspect. McCabe has to be getting called to testify before Senate Intel in a matter of days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305132) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Plum legal warrant marketing idea I see zero bombshells in this thing.
Lmao if this is donald's pretext to fire Mueller |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: mustard national background story Have to agree. Why not wait for the IG report, which is gotta be more damning than this memo (which is terribly written) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305233) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Eh. It'll be fake news by that time because the Democratic rebuttal will eventually also come out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305329) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: slimy dashing hall so the "this memo discloses FBI methods and sources!!" argument being screamed for the past week, and it was just about Steele as a source? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305140) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Laughsome weed whacker yeah, these arguments ring extremely hollow. just trying to hide the ball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305164) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena Also mentions Yahoo News, don't forget (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305167) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: bearded digit ratio cr and in their defense i too would be pretty fucking embarrassed about citing to yahoo news for any reason (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305184) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit What other information backed up the FISA warrant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305344) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:11 PM Author: racy house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305496) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:59 PM Author: claret gas station TBF so few people read that these days that it might as well be an undercover source. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306726) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: bright corn cake Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305177) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender I think the best you could do to defend this is to argue "chilling effect" on future information shared to HIC, but that lib talking point was total bullshit. They should've stuck with nothingburger/Nunes book report on a book he didn't read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305183) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode Seriously libs need to answer for that. Schiff, what the fuck, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305188) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Laughsome weed whacker what a sleazeball that schiff is. the last minute 'NUNES CHANGED THE MEMO NOW WE CANT RELEASE IT" was pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305223) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305746) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit What changes were made by Nunes before giving it to the White House? We'll never know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305324) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: bright corn cake Is anybody refuting the claims in the memo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305355) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit The Democratic memo wasn't released so we'll never know. But look at the lies of omission: what other information backed the warrant? It's probably more than Yahoo News and the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305397) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:02 PM Author: bright corn cake Oh so you feel like it could be refuted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305419) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: 180 boltzmann “probably” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305740) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:39 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action Why would DOJ/FBI have presented the dossier and Yahoo article at all if they had other, much stronger evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305799) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305977) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit What else was in the warrant application? You don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306444) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: claret gas station This is an argument for releasing the warrant application, not evidence for doubting the memo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306735) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action We can make reasonable assumptions faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306736) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: appetizing magenta trump supporter hell As pointed out in the Memo, FBI Democrat lackey McCabe explicitly stated that the warrant would have never been sought without the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305820) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Does that mean it would not have been issued but for the warrant? Also, the warrant was in October 2016, which was when Page had left the Trump campaign, so why is this even a scandal? Lastly, the dossier alleges that Page was supposed to get a brokerage fee for the sale of a 19% interest in Rosneft. Then Rosneft was sold for 19.5%. Why wouldn't the FBI investigate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306108) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Internet-worthy diverse internal respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305218) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: lascivious black headpube "it was just about Steele as a source?"
Which makes it a steaming pile of nothingshit. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:40 PM Author: mustard national background story WTF, that’s it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305211) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Shaky Orchid Masturbator Striped Hyena cq. Was Carter Page innocent or guilty is my question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305247) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: mustard national background story Didn’t even he admit (after it was disclosed to him) he was talking to Russian intelligence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305261) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:50 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender The 2013 wire had the Russian spies laughing with each other about how eager he was to give them information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305297) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode He did, but he apparently just gave them some publicly available oil and gas industry information or something,believing they were legitimate businessmen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305618) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender I think it's safe to say that any federal prosecutor that felt like it could've had Page nailed for an FCPA violation at one point or another over the last five years. I'm not sure we've gotten to "intentionally spying on behalf of Russia" yet with any of this, but dude is clearly a clumsy ass wannabe Manafort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305277) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car The memo shows there was sufficient probable cause for the warrant. The memo admits that the FBI reported a positive track record with Steele's past tips and does not say that the application relied solely on the memo (it admits to the Papodolous information and doesn't say that there was no other information/sources than Papodop and the dossier). The memo is also careful to not say that the dossier's information is wrong or made up. Further, there is no requirement that one's political motivations be revealed in a search warrant application. As a matter of fact, most confidential informants have an axe to grind against the warrant's target and are often paid for their information.
In the best possible light for conservatives, one could argue that the bar for probable cause is not a high one. But nothing here shows impropriety. I've seen search warrants of people's homes obtained with less than that. If there are problems with the warrants, then the defendants in Mueller's investigation will have plenty of opportunity to challenge the evidence obtained from them. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit "Our confidential informant is willing to testify against the mob boss who killed his family."
"NO, HE'S TOO BIASED!" |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Cruel-hearted nursing home boistinker Hey bro I think you poasted in the wrong thread. This thread is for circle jerking about all the deep state traitors that are going to prison now that we have proof Obama lied to wiretapp Trump just like Trump said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305367) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Wait, is Carter Page a central part of the Trump campaign or just a coffee boy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305402) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action "Further, there is no requirement that one's political motivations be revealed in a search warrant application"
It's a FISA warrant on an American citizen who was advising the GOP nom for president. LOL at thinking political motivations don't matter. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:10 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car I'm speaking in purely legal terms. They had a credible confidential informant and what appears to be additional corroborating information. There was sufficient probable cause and the Memo doesn't conclude otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305484) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Chest-beating den national security agency talking out of your ass, like you always do, is what you're actually doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305558) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: milky center BINGO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305642) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert They knew that he was not credible on this point, as he had admitted he was desperate to fuck over Trump. TBF this is a bigger indictment of the FISA warrant prices than anything, but it looks super shady to the average person that the fbi/doj went after Trump associates based on this kind of info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305682) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:30 PM Author: bright corn cake They also cited the yahoo story to buttress the dossier info which circularly (and fbi knew this) was a leak from the dossier itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305704) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action This was basically fraudulent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305747) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: milky center No, it wasn't. It really wasn't. Not at that stage of the process. Sorry conturds. Your memo is crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305765) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action So it's totally fine to pretend the article was unrelated when it was known to come from the same source as the dossier? Nothing wrong with that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305853) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:46 PM Author: milky center Not at that stage. Completely fine. Do you know how journalism works, how things work in the world?
(Who is "pretending it was unrelated"? It's the same Fucking deets!" |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action (shrieking lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306754) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:17 PM Author: milky center defeated, then. Good. Work on your reasoning ability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert Correct. They had shit for pc, and they knew the shit they had was compromised. But they went and got the warrant anyway, and were at least less than fully forthcoming when they did so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305763) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:02 PM Author: milky center They abided precisely with every component and requirement of the law there, and did exactly what they were supposed to do. If an informant is SPS (as they usually are) the fact that they are SPS isn't fucking tried by the judge at the time the petition for the warrant is sought, mother fuckers! That gets addressed later, if a case is further developed. JFC. Think about it for five minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306034) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Why do you believe the dossier and the Yahoo News article are the only pieces of evidence supporting the FISA warrant application?
Also, this was at a period when Page wasn't a member of the Trump campaign anymore, so why is this a political issue to you? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert If it's not political, why do you think the page indictment damages Trump?
Idk about only but the memo says that corroboration was in its infancy and mccabe said no warrant sought without the memo. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: bright corn cake They didn't disclose material fucking facts about the info being used for pc and clearly didn't do so because it had already been discredited and no way the warrant would have been renewed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305685) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: milky center Nope they disclosed exactly what they were supposed to disclose lil bro. You don't put in all the additional crap you found about the informant when you are trying to get a warrant, lil bro.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: bright corn cake You have no idea what you are talking about re fisa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305767) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:37 PM Author: milky center okay, how am I wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305775) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: milky center waiting... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305855) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: milky center Wa-aiting is the hard--est thing... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305923) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: milky center okay gibberish. I think we've seen it's a PC standard. You owe me an apology, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305965) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: bright corn cake I don't owe you shit. You don't think the FBI should have disclosed the that they knew the information came from a biased source and had yet to be validated? You don't think a judge would have at least been interested in that? If you let me make up facts I can meet any legal standard you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306015) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: milky center NO!!! Not at that stage!! Do you even LAW???
The Judge Doesn't Fucking Evaluate The Credibility Of The Fucing Informant At That Stage, and the FBI is Under No Obligation To PResent Impeachment Evidence At That Stage. The Whole Fucking System Of Justice Is Set Up Like That, Dipshit. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: milky center So you admit I'm right and you were in fact the one who has no idea how fisa court works. Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306057) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: bright corn cake Bro I never said I knew anything about fisa. Calm the fuck down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306073) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: milky center You just fucking said I don't know anything about FISA in the context of you telling me how FISA is supposed to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306101) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: bright corn cake I didn't say I knew fisa. Just that you seem wrong that it's okay to lie to judges in order to spy on your political opponents. You then said these 'omissions' were nbd. Am I off here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306471) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:43 PM Author: bright corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306560) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:10 PM Author: milky center Stop saying I said things I didn't say. It just wastes time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308979) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:40 PM Author: bright corn cake Didn't you say that the fact the fisa was based on Intel bought and paid for by the opposing Clinton campaign to spy on their political opponents was nbd to a judge? Correct me please as I don't want to put words in your mouf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309192) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:46 PM Author: milky center No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309243) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:56 PM Author: bright corn cake We are men of action. Lies do not become us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309333) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car Every confidential source is biased. This one had a good track record, the FBI believed him, and there was corroborating information. That's PC. That's all they really had to say. It's not a trial. They are not required to give the defendant notice. They are not required to make a case for the defendant. They can't lie, but there is no evidence in the Memo that they did. Even in the best light, the Memo reveals there was PC for the warrant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306075) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: milky center these morans are going to fight this until the end of time. They literally cannot understand the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306093) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: bright corn cake FBI: we have evidence that Drumpf is a russian stooge.
FISC: oh that's bad. Let's spy on them. Out of curiosity where did it come from?
FBI: the Hillary Clinton campaign
FISC: No biggie
Thats smells okay with you? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car It actually came from a guy who did have credibility with the FBI (even before any association with any campaign) and, even the Memo admits, there was corroborating information. I also think it's important to note what the very brief memo doesn't say: 1) that the dossier is false, 2) that there was no pc at the time of the application, and 3) that there was no other information known at the time of the application other than what is mentioned in the memo. If your characterization were correct, Nunes would have offered a very strong and forceful conclusion stating all three items. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306579) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:48 PM Author: bright corn cake Just to be clear - you have no problem with the fact the fbi knew but omitted the information was bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign? Yes or no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306612) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car DOJ has to be an advocate. They should act to maximize their chances of obtaining a warrant without acting improperly. That's what being a good advocate requires. They are not there to make a case for the defendant. I see attacks on Steel's politics but not on the substance of the dossier or any of the corroborating information (Papo and anything else). Like I said, the fact that Nunes' memo doesn't reach those three conclusions above renders it just another political attack. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306811) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: bright corn cake So yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306830) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car Yes. It would be ridiculous to immediately dismiss important corroborated information from a credible source because you don't like their politics or motivations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306866) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:15 PM Author: bright corn cake Noted, but second part is not what I asked. Judge could have known it was info bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and still granted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306915) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:32 PM Author: milky center Better fucking NOT to know that in this case for one thing you turd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309118) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:41 PM Author: bright corn cake What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309196) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:18 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. 1805 (d)(1)) a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications. in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.
Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard, particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:09 PM Author: milky center I'm amazed by this, and enraged. It is not an accurate statement as to what must be disclosed. They are literally misdescribing the rules of the game. how dishonest and partisan can the GOP be right now? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car "They didn't disclose material fucking facts about the info being used for pc"
The informant was credible given his track record. Like I said, most informants have axes to grind and/or are motivated by nefarious/monetary reasons. That's not something that has to be noted in an application for a search warrant. It's also important to note what the Memo doesn't say about the dossier. It doesn't say that it's entirely false or made up. Basically, the Memo attacks the motivation of the informant, but that's not nearly sufficient to argue there was insufficient PC. And, the memo admits there was corroborating information (the Papadop info and potentially more).
Again, if there was no pc or if the dossier were false, Nunes would be have said so. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: milky center What you have said here is all correct. Frustratingly, it probably completely flew over the head of POTUS, and certainly boart trumpmos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305852) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction Are the requirements for a FISA warrant the same as the requirements for other warrants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305857) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car It's the PC standard. And what's detailed in the Memo is sufficient PC (and there's likely more since Memo is careful to not say there wasn't anything else). In practice, it's likely easier to get FISA warrants since Judges are very skittish about national security. But this one isn't even one of those borderline cases that would give a civil libertarian a strong argument. Now the cell tower dumps used by the feds and even local prosecutors. . .That's a different story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305908) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: milky center There you go. PC standard.
Sorry conturds, your shit stinks like a mother fucker w this bullshit memo. Now GTFO. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction PC standard doesn't tell me how forthcoming the government needs to be before the FISA Court when trying to spy on citizens. That's the question. If I wasn't clear before, I apologize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305981) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: milky center No, it does. As the law has evolved, you don't have to present mitigating evidence at that stage. That's part of the PC analysis for issuance of warrants and part of what the FISA court would look to for guiding authority on such matters.
There is Literally Nothing Wrong With What Was Done. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction spaceporn. I will not listen to anything you have to say about FISA Court practice. You are retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:06 PM Author: milky center Except I'm fucking right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306069) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank seems like maybe it should be a higher standard when you're talking about spying on the candidates running for office in your democracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307597) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:19 PM Author: slimy dashing hall Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steel dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305591) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Clear exhilarant multi-billionaire abode This really shouldn't be overlooked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305634) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:53 PM Author: milky center Your missing the point boichester.
Latham is correct on this. Read it carefully. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car Right. They had a credible confidential informant. Then they received some additional corroboration. That's sufficient PC. The Steele dossier gets a bad wrap from your crowd but even the Memo is careful not to say it's fake or made up. Weird, salacious and partly unverified is the best they could argue. If there was even the least bit of a credible argument that there was insufficient PC, Nunes would have made it. But he didn't. The memo is for political consumption (and perhaps political cover for Trump to fire someone at FBI or DOJ). It is not the opening salvo in a criminal case against the "deep state" and provides no legal cover for those indicted by Mueller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305675) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert He literally told them that he was not credible on this issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305694) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: pearly impressive address Sure will be interesting to see what Trump digs up in 2020 by paying $12mm to some guy for "research" (corroborated by Breitbart) that CLEARLY gets "probably cause" to spy on Oprah. OH what a political system! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306160) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:52 PM Author: claret gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309291) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: milky center Lol so? Is Steel required to LOVE Trump before he can provide critical data about him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305788) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert No but if his hatred of the man is purely political, and he's providing info in the midst of an election, and none of his info has been corroborated, MAYBE HIS SHITLIB MUSINGS SHOULDN'T FORM THE CRUCIAL BASIS OF A CRIMINAL WARRANT APPLICATION you obtuse dickwad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306046) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:12 PM Author: milky center This is all nonsense, man. It's just not the standard that the law imposes on everybody at that stage in any such proceeding, to protect everyone.
There's a reason the LSAT has cut offs. Some people just cant get it. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Box Office Pervert Fucking LOL at a puddingheaded mouthbreather like you throwing around insults based on standardized test scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306743) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: milky center good one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308985) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:20 PM Author: pearly impressive address Of course not. Totally legal. And the guy who'll get paid $12mm for "intel" on Oprah in 2020 doesn't have to LOVE her in order to get the ball rolling on spying on her either. Guys in my high school obtained FISA warrants to spy on their POLITICAL OPPONENTS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES based on (at best) uncorroborated politically-biased evidence all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306207) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: milky center Twat, that's why he'd be a shitty witness. Different fucking standard, different stage in the process. Do you even law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306400) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: pearly impressive address Not even being snarky on your shitgrammar -- what are you trying to say exactly? Spit it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306412) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: milky center witnesses are used for different things.
Some witnesses help you to get warrants but you cant use them LATER at a trial because they are too impeachable.
This should be clear to anyone who practices law. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:38 PM Author: pearly impressive address trump's campaign finds a "christopher steele" political hack to come up with some shit like "Chinese collusion" because Oprah has investments with Chinese companies, or some shit. all it takes is $12mm. Breitbart corroborates.
said dossier leads to a FISC warrant
trump's campaign therefore totally legally spies on oprah in 2020 per your standard
what am i missing? save the snark and spell it out (do you even LAW hur dur) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:45 PM Author: bright corn cake I'd rather avoid becoming a banana republic but these libs seem so intent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306585) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: pearly impressive address hillary or not looks like they do indeed want to survey the land and say 'we did it' brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306746) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:24 PM Author: milky center No. As I've said all along, there are standards for what can be represented to the FISA judge. Also there was additional information that, curiously, the Memo does not address. Also, the Memo does not speak to the legitimacy of what Steel was actually peddling, only how biased he was.
But you are clearly too dumb or biased or partisan or all three to be able to understand what I'm telling you. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:30 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307684) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Sorry about your tiny pink memo.
"OH, THEY LIED TO SPY ON ESSENTIAL TRUMP TRANSITION PERSONNEL! ALSO, CARTER PAGE WAS JUST THE COFFEE BOY."
"OH, THEY LIED TO GET A FISA WARRANT ON PAGE IN 2016. SURE, FBI ALSO GOT FISA WARRANT AGAINST HIM IN 2013 AND HE HAD BEEN UNDER CONSTANT INVESTIGATION EVER SINCE BECAUSE RUSSIAN SPIES HAD BEEN CAUGHT ON TAPE ATTEMPTING TO RECRUIT HIM." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Cruel-hearted nursing home boistinker LJL at Trumpmos. This was 1000x more powerful as an unreleased secret memo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305260) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: mustard national background story This. And the IG report will be more damning but nobody will care by then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305269) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Trump shot his load early. According to Stormy, that's about par for the course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305278) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:49 PM Author: narrow-minded razzle set sex offender Credited subthread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305288) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: aphrodisiac school every poster in this subthread (except me) was wrong 5,000 times in the last year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305358) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Oh, for realz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305375) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Chest-beating den national security agency you literally only show up here to be wrong and look like a retard any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305571) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit 1. Memo doesn't say what other information backed the warrant application. 2. Carter Page wasn't a Trump campaign member at the time of the warrant renewal application in October, 2016. Why such a scandal over a former campaign official? 3. Memo says that the dossier was the impetus to get a renewal, but doesn't say that dossier was necessary to get the warrant. (See 1.) 4. Carter Page had been targeted by a busted Russian spy ring back in 2013, and was the target of a FISA warrant back in 2014. Russian spies were caught laughing at how desperate Page was to help them, and how dumb he was.
What's not true? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: Lavender nofapping sandwich property Ljl at this turd valley girl lawyer on CNN right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305339) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: slimy dashing hall most damning line in the entire memo IMO:
Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steel dossier.
I mean, how to libs spin this? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:23 PM Author: aphrodisiac school weird that libs itt are all ignoring this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305630) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Floppy sickened stain watching CBSN (only thing I can get at work). They completely ignored this point and kept saying what we don't know is what else they relied on in going to the FISA court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305637) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Provocative Sexy Ticket Booth Kitty Cat because the Steel dossier was truthful? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305662) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: slimy dashing hall I went over this today with my lib friends, point by point over I think 9 claims.
of ALL of the allegations, the only one that is true is that fact that Trump associates had met with russians over the past few years. An argument can be made that Russia stole the emails and not Wikileaks, although we don't know. Every single other allegation in the dossier was unverified, no evidence at all. How can it be "truthful" if 90% of it is unverified, based on hearsay? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:25 PM Author: milky center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309071) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: milky center Usually when you get a search warrant thru the informant, in criminal matters, you just report the informant to the court keeping the informant anonymous and you just tell the court their basis for having the information that they have. You don't have to get into the who-shot-john of any potential biases the informant (almost certainly) has.
My thought on reading the memo: 1) all informants are SPS impeachable most of the time anyway, and everyone knows that but the informant is just the basis to get the initial inquiry authorized, and 2) What obligation does the FBI or any entity have to disclose possible sources of impeachment at the time the authorization is given? None, really.
Sorry conturds, the memo wasn't written by a lawyer, doesn't touch on actual obligations or the way these things work at all. In short, It's bullshit distraction.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction It seems that there are FISA Court statutes or rules which require the government to be especially candid when seeking to spy on citizens. Not an expert though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305733) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Cruel-hearted nursing home boistinker Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305766) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction I said not an expert, man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305790) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: milky center Well, I'm not seeing any. In fact, I suspect the standard is more or less the same as for getting a warrant for anyone. PC. The problem (or the bullshit) is that the memo writers have pisspoor legal training and couldn't articulate that this is how things work. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: bright corn cake You don't think the veracity of the underlying facts should be considered when getting to pc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306038) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:06 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction PC for spaceporn:
"Judge, John Doe told me he saw Jane Doe with drugs. Yes, John Doe told me he was lying about it all, but that doesn't matter. It is still probable cause." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: milky center No, it's this:
"John Doe said Jane Doe was Smoking Drugs In her Backyard Last Night. He Knows This Because he's her neighbor."
What doesn't come in at that stage is that John Doe has three felony convictions himself and has an axe to grind w neighbor because she fucked up a shared fence.
Yous poast is crap and is apples to oranges in several glaringly obvious ways. (Why's he saying YES? Steel didn't say Steel was LYING!)
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: milky center That is where this conversation should be headed. Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305772) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Excitant affirmative action Yea this is just like getting a warrant on some local drug dealer. There should be no difference in the burden of proof when spying on the GOP nom during a presidential campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305834) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: fighting brethren dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305860) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: milky center It's not even burden of proof. It's probably a probable cause sort of thing, and early on in the process youjust have to make the case for that--you don't have to impeach shit.
Second, Are you an infant? Carter Page was the target for a warrant, not GOP nom during a presidential campaign. Let's at least try to read and think clearly. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:15 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit It was Carter Page AFTER he quit the Trump campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306148) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: milky center lol yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306177) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:15 PM Author: claret gas station The FISA standard is supposed to be particularly onerous because this involves using the powers of the NSA--monitoring essentially all electronic communications all the time--to spy on American citizens in a way that we normally only spy on foreign governments. They've only been given these powers at all under the promise that they'll be used with exceptional discretion. Whether they do that or not is another question, but that's the way it's been "sold" to the public.
This is not like a normal criminal warrant. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:17 PM Author: milky center It's granted like 99 percent of the time its asked for dude. that's just the GOP fucking lying to you again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309008) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:55 PM Author: claret gas station 99% of the time the process is not used to target one’s political enemies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309320) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: sick jap roommate "What obligation does the FBI or any entity have to disclose possible sources of impeachment at the time the authorization is given? None, really."
Ohhhhh boy. We've got a crim law masterman here. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: milky center I'm correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305971) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Cerebral henna azn normally when you appear ex parte you have to tell the court everything, good or bad. isn't that especially true, and explicitly so, regarding the FISA court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306001) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: milky center No. It's not. When you seek a warrant you can't lie but you don't have to provide impeachment evidence about how a particular witness has an axe to grind. You are just tyring to get the warrant approved. And remember, there aint anybody there who is there to ferret out weaknesses in the warrant at that stage. If I was the atty trying to get the warrant approved I would point out that Among the OTHER EVIDENCE which is not addressed in the memo, I have a source who is credible for various reasons. It's a "where there's smoke there's fire" sort of stage of any proceeding. I'm not required to say, oh, and judge, there are some credibility issues surrounding information coming from one source. Oh, and judge, the Yahoo article (which has its own fucking editors) may rely a lot on what this one witness has to say. That's just not your obligation at that stage, my dear. Remember, your an ADVOCATE. Defense counsel can do so, when you are actually dealing with issues of burden of proof. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:02 PM Author: sick jap roommate Franks challenges cover material omissions, and the failure to include known impeachment information about an informant in an application absolutely can be a material omission, particularly when the only basis supporting the application is the informant. Further, a lawyer reviews these applications. Most standards of professional conduct have rules about heightened duty of candor in ex parte proceedings. Signing off on the submission of an application based entirely on an informant that fails to include known information impeaching the informant violates the duty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306033) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:23 PM Author: bright corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306253) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: arrogant razzle-dazzle library ape File a bar complaint then.
See also: Leon deference |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: sick jap roommate The Leon exception doesn't apply to Franks violations, smart guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306842) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: milky center No. That's just not correct as applied to the circumstances here.
First, impeachment of this guy Steel is just impeachment--it's not that he's wrong or making shit up. He just has some vulnerabilities on cross examination. Big deal. Everyone has that. But trumpmos cant understand this.
Second, "Signing off on the submission of an application based entirely on an informant that fails to include known information impeaching the informant violates the duty." This is just incorrect at the stage we are talking about. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:51 PM Author: sick jap roommate It's obvious that you've never been a prosecutor and that you've probably never worked on a criminal case at all. You should seriously stop trying to talk about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306643) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Bonkers electric furnace faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306984) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:15 PM Author: milky center Why are you so mad? I've been practicing law in various fields for more than a decade. I think I know what I'm talking about. I have worked on multiple criminal cases as well. I have secured plenty of acquittals. So please shut the fuck up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309004) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car I think spaceporn is only saying that they don't have to speculate as to "possible sources of impeachment." They don't have to say "well those five guys might think our informant is wrong" when they don't have any information saying that. They don't have an obligation to make the defendant's case. Nothing in memo says that there was another source discrediting Steel at the time of the application anyway. The FBI believed him given his track record and corroborating information. The Memo's attack is focused on the motivations of Steele, but that's not a basis for saying there was no pc here or that prosecutors acted improperly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306384) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: bright corn cake I get the feeling the judge would have liked to have known the info came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306527) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:50 PM Author: sick jap roommate If that's how you want to interpret his gibberish, then I guess so. I don't know much about this specific case. But insofar as he was saying (and seems to continue saying) that an applicant for a warrant never has an obligation to include known information impeaching an informant, that's totally wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306628) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car Yeah, but he's right in general sentiment. You don't have to disclose everything that might make the informant a shitty witness at trial. According to the Memo, the FBI believed the informant and he had a good track record. There was corroborating info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306715) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:24 PM Author: sick jap roommate You don't have to, but it's a really bad practice not to. It's the equivalent of willfully holding exculpatory evidence before trial under the rationale that the court won't deem it material. It's only a constitutional violation if a court deems the affiant's omission of impeachment evidence material, but (1) ljl at being able to make that prediction confidently ahead of time, and (2) at least for the government lawyers signing off on the application, you're probably violating DOJ policy and state bar ethics rules (I know that DOJ requires disclosure of any exculpatory evidence, whether material or nonmaterial, before trial, and I mentioned above the typical rules regarding heightened candor in ex parte proceedings, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's Department policy re disclosure of informant impeachment in an ex parte application regardless of whether it's material). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307000) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: sienna corner Considering how none of us have seen the underlying warrant, and the Nunes memo is weasley enough to support any number of interpretations on this point, youre making quite a leap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307065) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:33 PM Author: sick jap roommate Like I said, still unfamiliar with the facts of this case because I'm still reading the memo. Spaceporn jumped to the generalization that "lol this is only an application so informant impeachment information is totally irrelevant," so I'm only speaking on a general level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307086) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Rebellious Blue Coffee Pot Stock Car "I know that DOJ requires disclosure of any exculpatory evidence, whether material or nonmaterial, before trial,"
"Before trial" is very very very different than an application for a warrant. I've reviewed enough of these to know that they're 99.99% boilerplate and that they do not detail the characteristics, motivations, and sordid pasts of the informants. If that were the standard, these applications would turn into lengthy discovery proceedings where the pros would have to turn over mountains of documents to the court before it could make the application.
They can't lie. Can a material omission be a lie? Sure, but it would have to be an omission along the lines "we have evidence that the informant is lying". These applications are drafted and reviewed rapidly. There's no time for that level of detail, and CI's are always shit, which is why there needs to be corroborating info.
This one wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Forget it. There's far more ridiculous and flimsier shit that I've seen submitted. You want a tragedy. Look at the low standard coming out of the district courts for something like cell tower dumps. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:12 PM Author: milky center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308991) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:29 PM Author: milky center "You don't have to disclose everything that might make the informant a shitty witness at trial." Latham
"You don't have to, but it's a really bad practice not to. It's the equivalent of willfully holding exculpatory evidence before trial under the rationale that the court won't deem it material." -you
No it's fucking not, you fucking moron. Have you ever fucking tried a case? Have you ever had a guilty client plead not guilty? JEFSUS fucking Christ. Your pissing me off because I'm 100 percent right on this right out of the box and it enrages you shitheads that I am right so you just keep saying stupid ass wrong shit |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:07 PM Author: sick jap roommate Address my point. You said, in multiple posts above, that evidence impeaching an informant is never relevant with respect to an application for a warrant and it need never be disclosed in an application. I acknowledged, with latham above, that you don't ALWAYS have to disclose it. Do you concede that you're wrong? I can embarrass you and cite cases holding that a knowing failure to include information impeaching an informant was a material omission in violation of Franks if you want, or you can just acknowledge that you're wrong.
And yes, I've tried cases. More importantly, I've drafted warrants. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:38 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank 3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not, being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files— but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.
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doesn't seem like speculation |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Doobsian Beady-eyed Lodge stick to shitlaw you imbecile (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305998) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:12 PM Author: swashbuckling lime liquid oxygen really tough guy jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306880) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:30 PM Author: milky center how the fuck do you think I know what I know (which is correct btw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309102) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:34 PM Author: fishy histrionic tank dude, how some prosecutor gets warrants from judge in bumblefuct to look into a guy who might be running a methlab shouldn't set the standard for how the deep state should get warrants to wiretap their potential future bosses for vetting
if that is indeed how it is, that's deeply fucked up, and we should change that
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: milky center Lol you stupid trumpmo fuckers just got pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305969) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306058) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ungodly Patrolman Station Check OP. This is the biggest nothing burger of all time. Cops have unreliable sources with biases, often the sources are wrong, but cops still look into it. News at 11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306103) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:13 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306125) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ungodly Patrolman Station http://www.xoxohth.com/go.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F370598711%2FHouse-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses%23from_embed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306162) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:35 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306480) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: milky center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306151) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Indecent citrine plaza sneaky criminal lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306173) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: aphrodisiac school I hope this is sarcasm for your sake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306291) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ungodly Patrolman Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306091) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:23 PM Author: pearly impressive address Trump in 2020 against his political opponent:
YOU get a wiretap!
And YOU get a wiretap!
And YOU get a wiretap!
Oprah sadly scissoring with Gayle while dems crying, losing hoap |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: claret gas station It's a little unclear why the FBI fought so hard to keep this secret. What can possibly have been harmed in terms of real national security by this release? There are no methods, and everyone named in it has been associated with this mess for a long time already. Even the details that are "new", like McCabe admitting that the whole surveillance operation depended upon the flimsy Steele dossier, aren't anything that couldn't have been guessed pretty easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306348) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: arrogant razzle-dazzle library ape National security matters should not be subject to the whims of Fox and Friends retards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306416) |
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Date: February 7th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: milky center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35348448) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit McCabe didn't say it depended on the dossier. He said it was the impetus behind it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306452) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:48 PM Author: concupiscible step-uncle's house ratface Wrong. Read elsewhere ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306611) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Olive aromatic orchestra pit Read the memo, idiot. The warrant wouldn't have been sought without the dossier alleging that Page got a commission from the sale of Rosneft but it doesn't say that the dossier was the only evidence sufficient to support a warrant application.
https://i.imgur.com/NFRsY8J.png |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Odious stubborn mother "without the steele dossier information" is too ambiguous. Either you're right or this memo was poorly written. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306788) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: aphrodisiac school right, I'm sure there was non-dossier evidence insufficient to justify seeking the warrant but that simultaneously would've justified the warrant itself. that makes perfect sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306837) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: appetizing magenta trump supporter hell Right, the other evidence was a fucking Yahoo article that was actually quoting Steele himself, lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307063) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:15 PM Author: sienna corner If you think that the FBI used a Yahoo News article to corroborate essential facts for probable cause, you're fucking retarded.
Almost certainly the article was used for some other purpose. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:27 PM Author: appetizing magenta trump supporter hell I had to re-read this several times because I wasn't sure that anyone could be so wrong and stupid. From the Memo, being discussed ITT:
"The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:37 PM Author: sienna corner Read very carefully what the memo says. It says the warrant cites extensively from the Yahoo News article but it does not allege that the FBI used the article to corroborate the dossier. In fact, it's classic misdirection.
If the FBI had actually used Yahoo News to substantiate probable cause, the memo would have said so explicitly. |
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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: sienna corner Lol, exactly as I suspected. You trumpmos are such credulous retards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35479018) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: navy idiot Cause this is the REAL DIRT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306487) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Twinkling overrated jew pistol In my opinion, the FBI doesnt want it publicly discussed just how easy it is for them to get a FISA warrant and the kind of bullshit they put in warrant applications (lol yahoo news) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307179) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:04 PM Author: claret gas station ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307391) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Disgusting Costumed Meetinghouse Coldplay Fan ITT:. Not a single person who has sought a search warrant (or equivalent order), challenged a search warrant, or clerked for a court evaluating a search warrant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306526) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:03 PM Author: At-the-ready Tantric Useless Brakes Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306770) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: Doobsian Beady-eyed Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308987) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: comical filthpig Disappointed that this memo was clearly overhyped and will not lead to Mueller’s firing (the original billing).
Guess we will have to wait for the OIG report to come out.
In the meantime, the Democrats and corrupt FBI officials can explain why they were hysterically screaming bloody murder for the past week trying to prevent this memo from being released. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:10 PM Author: aphrodisiac school we just need 1 or 2 more data points to connect the sham FISA warrant to the Mueller investigation. we already know the same set of compromised DNC stooges were involved with both. hopefully it's just a matter of time before the full narrative materializes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306863) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ungodly Patrolman Station Let me know what you and lawman8 cook up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306884) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:12 PM Author: Doobsian Beady-eyed Lodge the use of sham and stooges in such close proximity to each other made this poast very enjoyable to read. thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308989) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:24 PM Author: claret gas station Who would fire Mueller? I think that would still ignite a firestorm.
The better outcome at this point would be for him to explicitly clear Trump and close up shop of his own accord, knowing that his investigation is tainted enough by the presence of all these dirty FBI agents and DOJ characters that nothing he charged would be taken as credible. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Odious stubborn mother On its face it seems no law was broken. However the apparently political biases of Strosk, McCabe, etc. should probably color our understanding of what occurred here. This seems less about the law and more about politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306753) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:26 PM Author: claret gas station It was always 100% about politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:54 PM Author: metal razzmatazz institution The memo reveals that the dossier (that FBI knew was BS) as the best information the FBI had on the Trump team when they went to get the warrants authorized and renewed. So the Russia investigation is over. 16 months and this is the best they had. You can unpack all the political motivations, sketchy payments, and borderline treasonous shit the FBI did but Benghazi 2.0 is over and shitlibs have some explaining to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307301) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Passionate rusted piazza boiling water Does it reveal that? Or is this just Nunes' shitty 4 page summary based on the information he wanted to cherry pick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307690) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Cruel-hearted nursing home boistinker Your argument is that because the FBI did not present concrete evidence of Trump-Russia collusion when it applied for a FISA warrant against a guy who was not then a Trump campaign official, the totally separate investigation later started by Mueller (which has led to multiple guilty pleas and more indictments) is a sham. Just brilliant. Please call Sean Hannity right away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307744) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:37 PM Author: aphrodisiac school link to guilty pleas or indictments related to Trump campaign's Russian collusion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307772) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:41 PM Author: Cruel-hearted nursing home boistinker Misha Flynn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307805) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:28 PM Author: opaque bat shit crazy faggotry "Sign up to download House Intelligence Committee Report On FISA Abuses"
FUCK YOU, NIGGERS, I DON'T HAVE A QUARTER FOR YOU |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:34 PM Author: emerald marvelous haunted graveyard BREAKING: law enforcement occasionally makes use of evidence supplied by people with ulterior motives, and sometimes the evidence is sufficient for FISA judges appointed but Chief Justice Roberts to issue warrants. You did it Nunes. You cracked the fucking case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310128) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:36 PM Author: vibrant self-centered native private investor so NBD if Trump uses Hannity's memo with unverified allegations (comery's own words) to spy on his opponent's campaign?
There will be no outrage in NYT if this happens right? i am mean if any memo/allegation can be used to spy especially on your political opponent i am sure libs will be OK with trump pulling a Obama right? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:49 PM Author: emerald marvelous haunted graveyard False equivalency game in full effect here my dude. This shit went through judges that found the evidence credible. If hannity has shit that flies with a judge for a warrant great. I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion but the fact she was one of the funders of the research, along with GOP people btw, doesn't matter if the research was enough to justify a warrant on Carter Page. And while I think the collusion narrative is probably way overblown, anyone that doesn't see that Carter Page is weird and dirty as fuck ain't looking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310265) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 10:04 PM Author: appetizing magenta trump supporter hell This is wrong, and you are the one running the false equivalency game. A material omission from a judge is the same thing as lying. Put another way, it is highly deceitful. The judge presumably only found the evidence "credible" that was actually presented. Leaving out gigantic important facts, such as a dossier being compiled and funded by a political opponent, would color anyone's view of the evidence presented.
The question is: if the actual source and background of the dossier was revealed in full, would the judge have still granted the FISA warrant? No one will ever know the answer of that question, because the FBI/DOJ decided to intentionally keep that information from the judge. So it calls into question the entire process, which is why you don't fucking omit important information in the first place.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: comical filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310954) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM Author: Disgusting Costumed Meetinghouse Coldplay Fan I cant bear to read all these poasts. Has anyone discussed how Nunes hasn't even fucking read the actual application? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310908) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:14 PM Author: comical filthpig Your fake news was already debunked, as you know from when you made this thread earlier, rat shitlib:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3880749&mc=9&forum_id=2#35310730 |