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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:17 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304948) |
Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:19 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304982) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Frum heady international law enforcement agency associate brb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35304992) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: boyish topaz lay Jfc libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305005) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Transparent beta house 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305007) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Hold up bros. Has CNN cleared the public to view? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305019) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: cerebral territorial haunted graveyard shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305207) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Tripping stimulating stage boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305246) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Racy Flickering Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307568) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: grizzly electric french chef range Lmao that's it?!?!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305025) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: boyish topaz lay Yep, Hillary paid a spy to make shit up about Trump and the Obama DOJ and FBI went along with it to spy on Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305037) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: spruce lodge corn cake That’s it??? She’s done much worse, believe me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305052) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Nah. Don't forget that the dossier was initially funded by anti-Trump conservatives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305259) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall The dossier? I don't believe Steele came on until after the anti-Trump republicans were done with this because Trump was the nominee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305526) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: spruce lodge corn cake Lol at your blown out asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305044) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall https://i.redd.it/lcqsfzfsrtd01.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305026) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: massive fragrant hospital roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305035) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: hideous twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305036) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Irradiated Swollen Personal Credit Line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305038) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: bateful rebellious striped hyena locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305056) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Carmine Legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305061) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: low-t soggy box office 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305067) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305096) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:26 PM Author: violent dun generalized bond ==^o^== (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305648) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: fishy abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305970) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: Appetizing Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305973) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:46 PM Author: exhilarant lemon parlor fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306601) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:06 PM Author: milky temple quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306801) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: hideous twinkling uncleanness what the fuck is the argument against not making this public? because it makes the fbi look to be incompetent at best? LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305032) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution Destroys the libs russia narrative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305039) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305100) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Cheese-eating puce goal in life There isn't a good argument for keeping it secret.
But on the same token, the response memo that Schiff wrote needs to become public, too. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:40 PM Author: hideous twinkling uncleanness generally agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305216) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:01 PM Author: spruce lodge corn cake Lmao I eagerly await its release (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305408) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Chest-beating exciting brethren crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307083) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall There's literally nothing in here that's even remotely sensitive (except libs gaped assholds)
Libs? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Racy Flickering Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307598) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:19 PM Author: primrose senate immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309982) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Passionate Ebony Set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310161) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: rose theatre wow this shit is ruthless lmao these niggas are FUCKED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305068) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma Wagers on how far xoTrump made it before switching to the TV for detailed analysis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305081) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Talented theater I made it a half a page, so he probably made it a sentence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305139) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: fishy abode i read the whole damn thing but im heavily gakked a/t/m (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305974) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: brass lettuce mad cow disease 180 how much tutu? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306737) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: spruce lodge corn cake Lol at your pathetic attempts to avoid acknowledging how bad this is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305152) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305244) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma Obama won't be POTUS anymore? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305252) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: motley henna puppy school he will but so will trump, prob for the next 7 years, def the next 3. sry about your tiny pink tainted investigation, and sry for youre lots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306457) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Marvelous sooty jewess mad-dog skullcap i don't think he looked at the first word (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306490) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur Yep, it is what I expected it would be. Heads need to roll.
Also, Democrats need to now explain why they wanted this withheld and what they wanted to be censored. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Mewling Principal's Office Rigpig cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305187) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Tripping stimulating stage boltzmann wasn't it changed(!) by some politician (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305258) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Roll for what? Page had been under investigation and the target of a FISA warrant in 2013. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305268) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur If the root of that warrant is DNC politically motivated research (which wasn't even disclosed) and the whole thing is a DNC op then that's corruption of the highest order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305357) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:58 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Wrong. Dossier was started by a Republican anti-Trumper. Why do you keep forgetting that? Also, the memo doesn't say that the warrant was based solely on the dossier. It says that it was the impetus behind the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305384) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Explain how that doesn't make the dossier politically motivated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305410) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: lime meetinghouse I too would like to hear this explanation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305593) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Marvelous sooty jewess mad-dog skullcap Dossier was started by a non-government entity, so not sure why you think that matters
If a Republican sees his Democrat neighbor murder someone and reports it to the police bc he hates Democrats, can the police not investigate the murder? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:41 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market If not a big deal then why conceal it? You don't think the judge would be interested in that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306549) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:35 PM Author: Chest-beating exciting brethren crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307105) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Smoky Contagious Pocket Flask If murders are investigated by secret courts using unknown criteria with no accountability, then yes, it would be deeply problematic and super not okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307918) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:46 PM Author: garnet center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309245) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall It says the dossier was essential to the warrant, and McCabe (?) has said it they wouldn't have applied for the warrant without it.
And again, I don't believe Steele was brought in while the Republicans were involved. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:05 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat Its not just that they used the dossier, its also that they omitted material facts about the nature of the dossier from the FISC judge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307401) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: curious stubborn garrison Interesting. So in the 3 years they were investigating Carter Page prior to seeking further authorization from a FISA court to investigate him, the best they came up with was a fake news oppo research memo paid for by the DNC featuring dossier information culled from 4chan trolls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305560) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: Carmine Legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305847) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:29 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307047) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Fuchsia kitchen alpha this honestly doesnt seem that amazing after all the buildup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305104) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305111) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: bateful rebellious striped hyena locus if by that u mean followed twitter accounts that said all this stuff and then regurgitated it on the bort then lol i guess so i guess so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305121) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Fuck that we have xo lawman8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305161) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305171) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Chest-beating exciting brethren crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307101) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur I mean, pretty convincing evidence that a) the whole investigation is a political conspiracy by Democrats, and b) the FISA court is prone to being BSed by the deep state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305114) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:42 PM Author: internet-worthy claret son of senegal I suspect this kind of concealment happens all the time with FISA warrants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305226) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire And the Republicans just renewed FISA without any of the privacy protections that Democrats had wanted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305273) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Learning Disabled School Cafeteria Philosopher-king all warrants really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305279) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort Shorter memo: prosscum gonna prosscum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305316) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Blathering offensive menage ljl, took me a second to realize that wasn't latin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305601) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat at should be a big deal when it happens to someone who might be elected President (or really, to any other office) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307415) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution Proof that the DNC and Hillary funded fake opposition research was used by the FBI/DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign
Pretty fucking damning
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Fuchsia kitchen alpha yes but no one will be arrested or killed over this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305136) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution Grab a stick, we're smacking some piñatas around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305157) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Carmine Legend but they will be strung up like piñatas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305159) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305169) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: bateful rebellious striped hyena locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305174) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Fuchsia kitchen alpha definitely true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305179) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma DESCRIBE the evangelical reaction if BHO smashed Diamond Jackson when Michelle was pregnant with Sasha, then paid her $120K to keep quiet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305201) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305204) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: misunderstood painfully honest hell trust fund I’m gonna have to google diamond Jackson later but I’m going to go out on a limb and say not good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305994) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:10 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort Hilarious that EPAH had the absolutely perfect Stormy Daniels equivalent black pornstar ready to reference off the top of his head. But let's not kid ourselves. Barry would've definitely cheated with a white or maybe hapa pornstar. Best case a super light skinned one.
The funniest part would've been right after the news broke when Michelle would've put him in the hospital doing straight up Harambe on his not really Black ass. And no one would care what evangelicals would think about this because Black women would be engaging in ritual mass suicide by the millions. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort Fake news. You have like a half a dozen FBI top brass, all of whom had plenty of discretion to decide to not pursue it. It's not like Comey and his people were beloved or in perfect lockstep with Obama or Hillary during all of this given how the email saga dragged out. Perkins Coie paying for the memo is absolutely unremarkable. Shit doesn't get weird until you hear that they didn't mention anything about the source of the memo, Steele's bias, Ohr's wife working at F GPS, and that was all the FBI being fucking prosscum.
A much more plausible reading of these events is that all of them genuinely believed that Trump must be up to something because it just broke their brains too badly to try to understand how much the country hates them and their political establishment. And it's not as if Page was the only shady-ass motherfucker involved in the Trump campaign. Manafort was basically low level Russian gangster. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Fluffy brindle church This memo is just the beginning. Will spread to other areas such as McCabe letting Hillary off on the emails, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305368) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:59 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire By McCabe letting Hillary off on the emails, do you mean co-authoring the letter about the emails that ruined her chance of winning the election? I mean, even Trump said that the FBI had acted unfairly to Hillary, and that's why he had to fire FBI Director Comey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305390) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Spectacular kink-friendly sandwich mood No man it's worse than watergate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305126) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305130) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Cheese-eating puce goal in life Let's impeach Obama then! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305144) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Carmine Legend this poster makes a good point. Obama is not president anymore so who cares about how corrupt he was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305170) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Mahogany sadistic hominid Convict. Who will pardon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310952) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Apoplectic Cream Voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305156) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305106) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma TLS authors need to learn how to write a memo. What's the conclusion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305116) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station This is worse than TLS. Who wrote this tttt mess? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305251) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort Yeah, not seeing Gateway Pundit's four unleaked revelations. The McCabe claim re dependency is the only new info here, and it's pretty suspect. McCabe has to be getting called to testify before Senate Intel in a matter of days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305132) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: grizzly electric french chef range I see zero bombshells in this thing.
Lmao if this is donald's pretext to fire Mueller |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station Have to agree. Why not wait for the IG report, which is gotta be more damning than this memo (which is terribly written) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305233) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Eh. It'll be fake news by that time because the Democratic rebuttal will eventually also come out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305329) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Frum heady international law enforcement agency associate so the "this memo discloses FBI methods and sources!!" argument being screamed for the past week, and it was just about Steele as a source? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305140) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: hideous twinkling uncleanness yeah, these arguments ring extremely hollow. just trying to hide the ball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305164) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:35 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma Also mentions Yahoo News, don't forget (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305167) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: bateful rebellious striped hyena locus cr and in their defense i too would be pretty fucking embarrassed about citing to yahoo news for any reason (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305184) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:54 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire What other information backed up the FISA warrant? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305344) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:11 PM Author: massive fragrant hospital roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305496) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:59 PM Author: garnet center TBF so few people read that these days that it might as well be an undercover source. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306726) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305177) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort I think the best you could do to defend this is to argue "chilling effect" on future information shared to HIC, but that lib talking point was total bullshit. They should've stuck with nothingburger/Nunes book report on a book he didn't read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305183) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:37 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall Seriously libs need to answer for that. Schiff, what the fuck, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305188) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: hideous twinkling uncleanness what a sleazeball that schiff is. the last minute 'NUNES CHANGED THE MEMO NOW WE CANT RELEASE IT" was pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305223) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305746) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire What changes were made by Nunes before giving it to the White House? We'll never know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305324) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Is anybody refuting the claims in the memo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305355) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire The Democratic memo wasn't released so we'll never know. But look at the lies of omission: what other information backed the warrant? It's probably more than Yahoo News and the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305397) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Oh so you feel like it could be refuted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305419) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: harsh blue skinny woman “probably” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305740) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:39 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed Why would DOJ/FBI have presented the dossier and Yahoo article at all if they had other, much stronger evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305799) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305977) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire What else was in the warrant application? You don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306444) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: garnet center This is an argument for releasing the warrant application, not evidence for doubting the memo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306735) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed We can make reasonable assumptions faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306736) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: light beady-eyed antidepressant drug As pointed out in the Memo, FBI Democrat lackey McCabe explicitly stated that the warrant would have never been sought without the dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305820) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:11 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Does that mean it would not have been issued but for the warrant? Also, the warrant was in October 2016, which was when Page had left the Trump campaign, so why is this even a scandal? Lastly, the dossier alleges that Page was supposed to get a brokerage fee for the sale of a 19% interest in Rosneft. Then Rosneft was sold for 19.5%. Why wouldn't the FBI investigate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306108) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: onyx laughsome institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305218) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: hairraiser water buffalo den "it was just about Steele as a source?"
Which makes it a steaming pile of nothingshit. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:40 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station WTF, that’s it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305211) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: pearly razzle dilemma cq. Was Carter Page innocent or guilty is my question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305247) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station Didn’t even he admit (after it was disclosed to him) he was talking to Russian intelligence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305261) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort The 2013 wire had the Russian spies laughing with each other about how eager he was to give them information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305297) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:22 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall He did, but he apparently just gave them some publicly available oil and gas industry information or something,believing they were legitimate businessmen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305618) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort I think it's safe to say that any federal prosecutor that felt like it could've had Page nailed for an FCPA violation at one point or another over the last five years. I'm not sure we've gotten to "intentionally spying on behalf of Russia" yet with any of this, but dude is clearly a clumsy ass wannabe Manafort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305277) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces The memo shows there was sufficient probable cause for the warrant. The memo admits that the FBI reported a positive track record with Steele's past tips and does not say that the application relied solely on the memo (it admits to the Papodolous information and doesn't say that there was no other information/sources than Papodop and the dossier). The memo is also careful to not say that the dossier's information is wrong or made up. Further, there is no requirement that one's political motivations be revealed in a search warrant application. As a matter of fact, most confidential informants have an axe to grind against the warrant's target and are often paid for their information.
In the best possible light for conservatives, one could argue that the bar for probable cause is not a high one. But nothing here shows impropriety. I've seen search warrants of people's homes obtained with less than that. If there are problems with the warrants, then the defendants in Mueller's investigation will have plenty of opportunity to challenge the evidence obtained from them. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire "Our confidential informant is willing to testify against the mob boss who killed his family."
"NO, HE'S TOO BIASED!" |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Flatulent Magenta Theater Stage Hey bro I think you poasted in the wrong thread. This thread is for circle jerking about all the deep state traitors that are going to prison now that we have proof Obama lied to wiretapp Trump just like Trump said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305367) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Wait, is Carter Page a central part of the Trump campaign or just a coffee boy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305402) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed "Further, there is no requirement that one's political motivations be revealed in a search warrant application"
It's a FISA warrant on an American citizen who was advising the GOP nom for president. LOL at thinking political motivations don't matter. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:10 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces I'm speaking in purely legal terms. They had a credible confidential informant and what appears to be additional corroborating information. There was sufficient probable cause and the Memo doesn't conclude otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305484) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Bossy heaven talking out of your ass, like you always do, is what you're actually doing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305558) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker BINGO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305642) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: lime meetinghouse They knew that he was not credible on this point, as he had admitted he was desperate to fuck over Trump. TBF this is a bigger indictment of the FISA warrant prices than anything, but it looks super shady to the average person that the fbi/doj went after Trump associates based on this kind of info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305682) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market They also cited the yahoo story to buttress the dossier info which circularly (and fbi knew this) was a leak from the dossier itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305704) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed This was basically fraudulent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305747) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No, it wasn't. It really wasn't. Not at that stage of the process. Sorry conturds. Your memo is crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305765) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed So it's totally fine to pretend the article was unrelated when it was known to come from the same source as the dossier? Nothing wrong with that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305853) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:46 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Not at that stage. Completely fine. Do you know how journalism works, how things work in the world?
(Who is "pretending it was unrelated"? It's the same Fucking deets!" |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed (shrieking lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306754) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:17 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker defeated, then. Good. Work on your reasoning ability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: lime meetinghouse Correct. They had shit for pc, and they knew the shit they had was compromised. But they went and got the warrant anyway, and were at least less than fully forthcoming when they did so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305763) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:02 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker They abided precisely with every component and requirement of the law there, and did exactly what they were supposed to do. If an informant is SPS (as they usually are) the fact that they are SPS isn't fucking tried by the judge at the time the petition for the warrant is sought, mother fuckers! That gets addressed later, if a case is further developed. JFC. Think about it for five minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306034) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Why do you believe the dossier and the Yahoo News article are the only pieces of evidence supporting the FISA warrant application?
Also, this was at a period when Page wasn't a member of the Trump campaign anymore, so why is this a political issue to you? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:55 PM Author: lime meetinghouse If it's not political, why do you think the page indictment damages Trump?
Idk about only but the memo says that corroboration was in its infancy and mccabe said no warrant sought without the memo. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market They didn't disclose material fucking facts about the info being used for pc and clearly didn't do so because it had already been discredited and no way the warrant would have been renewed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305685) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Nope they disclosed exactly what they were supposed to disclose lil bro. You don't put in all the additional crap you found about the informant when you are trying to get a warrant, lil bro.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market You have no idea what you are talking about re fisa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305767) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:37 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker okay, how am I wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305775) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker waiting... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305855) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Wa-aiting is the hard--est thing... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305923) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker okay gibberish. I think we've seen it's a PC standard. You owe me an apology, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305965) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market I don't owe you shit. You don't think the FBI should have disclosed the that they knew the information came from a biased source and had yet to be validated? You don't think a judge would have at least been interested in that? If you let me make up facts I can meet any legal standard you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306015) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker NO!!! Not at that stage!! Do you even LAW???
The Judge Doesn't Fucking Evaluate The Credibility Of The Fucing Informant At That Stage, and the FBI is Under No Obligation To PResent Impeachment Evidence At That Stage. The Whole Fucking System Of Justice Is Set Up Like That, Dipshit. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker So you admit I'm right and you were in fact the one who has no idea how fisa court works. Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306057) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Bro I never said I knew anything about fisa. Calm the fuck down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306073) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker You just fucking said I don't know anything about FISA in the context of you telling me how FISA is supposed to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306101) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market I didn't say I knew fisa. Just that you seem wrong that it's okay to lie to judges in order to spy on your political opponents. You then said these 'omissions' were nbd. Am I off here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306471) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306560) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:10 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Stop saying I said things I didn't say. It just wastes time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308979) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:40 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Didn't you say that the fact the fisa was based on Intel bought and paid for by the opposing Clinton campaign to spy on their political opponents was nbd to a judge? Correct me please as I don't want to put words in your mouf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309192) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:46 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309243) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:56 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market We are men of action. Lies do not become us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309333) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces Every confidential source is biased. This one had a good track record, the FBI believed him, and there was corroborating information. That's PC. That's all they really had to say. It's not a trial. They are not required to give the defendant notice. They are not required to make a case for the defendant. They can't lie, but there is no evidence in the Memo that they did. Even in the best light, the Memo reveals there was PC for the warrant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306075) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker these morans are going to fight this until the end of time. They literally cannot understand the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306093) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market FBI: we have evidence that Drumpf is a russian stooge.
FISC: oh that's bad. Let's spy on them. Out of curiosity where did it come from?
FBI: the Hillary Clinton campaign
FISC: No biggie
Thats smells okay with you? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:44 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces It actually came from a guy who did have credibility with the FBI (even before any association with any campaign) and, even the Memo admits, there was corroborating information. I also think it's important to note what the very brief memo doesn't say: 1) that the dossier is false, 2) that there was no pc at the time of the application, and 3) that there was no other information known at the time of the application other than what is mentioned in the memo. If your characterization were correct, Nunes would have offered a very strong and forceful conclusion stating all three items. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306579) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Just to be clear - you have no problem with the fact the fbi knew but omitted the information was bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign? Yes or no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306612) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:06 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces DOJ has to be an advocate. They should act to maximize their chances of obtaining a warrant without acting improperly. That's what being a good advocate requires. They are not there to make a case for the defendant. I see attacks on Steel's politics but not on the substance of the dossier or any of the corroborating information (Papo and anything else). Like I said, the fact that Nunes' memo doesn't reach those three conclusions above renders it just another political attack. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306811) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market So yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306830) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:11 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces Yes. It would be ridiculous to immediately dismiss important corroborated information from a credible source because you don't like their politics or motivations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306866) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market Noted, but second part is not what I asked. Judge could have known it was info bought and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and still granted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306915) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:32 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Better fucking NOT to know that in this case for one thing you turd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309118) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:41 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309196) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. 1805 (d)(1)) a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications. in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.
Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard, particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:09 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker I'm amazed by this, and enraged. It is not an accurate statement as to what must be disclosed. They are literally misdescribing the rules of the game. how dishonest and partisan can the GOP be right now? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:40 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces "They didn't disclose material fucking facts about the info being used for pc"
The informant was credible given his track record. Like I said, most informants have axes to grind and/or are motivated by nefarious/monetary reasons. That's not something that has to be noted in an application for a search warrant. It's also important to note what the Memo doesn't say about the dossier. It doesn't say that it's entirely false or made up. Basically, the Memo attacks the motivation of the informant, but that's not nearly sufficient to argue there was insufficient PC. And, the memo admits there was corroborating information (the Papadop info and potentially more).
Again, if there was no pc or if the dossier were false, Nunes would be have said so. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:43 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker What you have said here is all correct. Frustratingly, it probably completely flew over the head of POTUS, and certainly boart trumpmos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305852) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: black pozpig Are the requirements for a FISA warrant the same as the requirements for other warrants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305857) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces It's the PC standard. And what's detailed in the Memo is sufficient PC (and there's likely more since Memo is careful to not say there wasn't anything else). In practice, it's likely easier to get FISA warrants since Judges are very skittish about national security. But this one isn't even one of those borderline cases that would give a civil libertarian a strong argument. Now the cell tower dumps used by the feds and even local prosecutors. . .That's a different story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305908) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker There you go. PC standard.
Sorry conturds, your shit stinks like a mother fucker w this bullshit memo. Now GTFO. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: black pozpig PC standard doesn't tell me how forthcoming the government needs to be before the FISA Court when trying to spy on citizens. That's the question. If I wasn't clear before, I apologize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305981) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No, it does. As the law has evolved, you don't have to present mitigating evidence at that stage. That's part of the PC analysis for issuance of warrants and part of what the FISA court would look to for guiding authority on such matters.
There is Literally Nothing Wrong With What Was Done. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: black pozpig spaceporn. I will not listen to anything you have to say about FISA Court practice. You are retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:06 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Except I'm fucking right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306069) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat seems like maybe it should be a higher standard when you're talking about spying on the candidates running for office in your democracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307597) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Frum heady international law enforcement agency associate Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steel dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305591) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: salmon disgusting nibblets hall This really shouldn't be overlooked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305634) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:53 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Your missing the point boichester.
Latham is correct on this. Read it carefully. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces Right. They had a credible confidential informant. Then they received some additional corroboration. That's sufficient PC. The Steele dossier gets a bad wrap from your crowd but even the Memo is careful not to say it's fake or made up. Weird, salacious and partly unverified is the best they could argue. If there was even the least bit of a credible argument that there was insufficient PC, Nunes would have made it. But he didn't. The memo is for political consumption (and perhaps political cover for Trump to fire someone at FBI or DOJ). It is not the opening salvo in a criminal case against the "deep state" and provides no legal cover for those indicted by Mueller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305675) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: lime meetinghouse He literally told them that he was not credible on this issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305694) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi Sure will be interesting to see what Trump digs up in 2020 by paying $12mm to some guy for "research" (corroborated by Breitbart) that CLEARLY gets "probably cause" to spy on Oprah. OH what a political system! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306160) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:52 PM Author: garnet center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309291) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Lol so? Is Steel required to LOVE Trump before he can provide critical data about him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305788) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: lime meetinghouse No but if his hatred of the man is purely political, and he's providing info in the midst of an election, and none of his info has been corroborated, MAYBE HIS SHITLIB MUSINGS SHOULDN'T FORM THE CRUCIAL BASIS OF A CRIMINAL WARRANT APPLICATION you obtuse dickwad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306046) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:12 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker This is all nonsense, man. It's just not the standard that the law imposes on everybody at that stage in any such proceeding, to protect everyone.
There's a reason the LSAT has cut offs. Some people just cant get it. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: lime meetinghouse Fucking LOL at a puddingheaded mouthbreather like you throwing around insults based on standardized test scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306743) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker good one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308985) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi Of course not. Totally legal. And the guy who'll get paid $12mm for "intel" on Oprah in 2020 doesn't have to LOVE her in order to get the ball rolling on spying on her either. Guys in my high school obtained FISA warrants to spy on their POLITICAL OPPONENTS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES based on (at best) uncorroborated politically-biased evidence all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306207) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Twat, that's why he'd be a shitty witness. Different fucking standard, different stage in the process. Do you even law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306400) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi Not even being snarky on your shitgrammar -- what are you trying to say exactly? Spit it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306412) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker witnesses are used for different things.
Some witnesses help you to get warrants but you cant use them LATER at a trial because they are too impeachable.
This should be clear to anyone who practices law. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:38 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi trump's campaign finds a "christopher steele" political hack to come up with some shit like "Chinese collusion" because Oprah has investments with Chinese companies, or some shit. all it takes is $12mm. Breitbart corroborates.
said dossier leads to a FISC warrant
trump's campaign therefore totally legally spies on oprah in 2020 per your standard
what am i missing? save the snark and spell it out (do you even LAW hur dur) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market I'd rather avoid becoming a banana republic but these libs seem so intent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306585) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi hillary or not looks like they do indeed want to survey the land and say 'we did it' brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306746) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:24 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No. As I've said all along, there are standards for what can be represented to the FISA judge. Also there was additional information that, curiously, the Memo does not address. Also, the Memo does not speak to the legitimacy of what Steel was actually peddling, only how biased he was.
But you are clearly too dumb or biased or partisan or all three to be able to understand what I'm telling you. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307684) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Sorry about your tiny pink memo.
"OH, THEY LIED TO SPY ON ESSENTIAL TRUMP TRANSITION PERSONNEL! ALSO, CARTER PAGE WAS JUST THE COFFEE BOY."
"OH, THEY LIED TO GET A FISA WARRANT ON PAGE IN 2016. SURE, FBI ALSO GOT FISA WARRANT AGAINST HIM IN 2013 AND HE HAD BEEN UNDER CONSTANT INVESTIGATION EVER SINCE BECAUSE RUSSIAN SPIES HAD BEEN CAUGHT ON TAPE ATTEMPTING TO RECRUIT HIM." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Flatulent Magenta Theater Stage LJL at Trumpmos. This was 1000x more powerful as an unreleased secret memo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305260) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: diverse unhinged pisswyrm station This. And the IG report will be more damning but nobody will care by then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305269) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Trump shot his load early. According to Stormy, that's about par for the course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305278) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Multi-colored Resort Credited subthread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305288) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Carmine Legend every poster in this subthread (except me) was wrong 5,000 times in the last year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305358) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Oh, for realz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305375) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Bossy heaven you literally only show up here to be wrong and look like a retard any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305571) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:14 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire 1. Memo doesn't say what other information backed the warrant application. 2. Carter Page wasn't a Trump campaign member at the time of the warrant renewal application in October, 2016. Why such a scandal over a former campaign official? 3. Memo says that the dossier was the impetus to get a renewal, but doesn't say that dossier was necessary to get the warrant. (See 1.) 4. Carter Page had been targeted by a busted Russian spy ring back in 2013, and was the target of a FISA warrant back in 2014. Russian spies were caught laughing at how desperate Page was to help them, and how dumb he was.
What's not true? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: Transparent beta house Ljl at this turd valley girl lawyer on CNN right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305339) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Frum heady international law enforcement agency associate most damning line in the entire memo IMO:
Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steel dossier.
I mean, how to libs spin this? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:23 PM Author: Carmine Legend weird that libs itt are all ignoring this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305630) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: translucent athletic conference pervert watching CBSN (only thing I can get at work). They completely ignored this point and kept saying what we don't know is what else they relied on in going to the FISA court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305637) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: avocado submissive queen of the night because the Steel dossier was truthful? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305662) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Frum heady international law enforcement agency associate I went over this today with my lib friends, point by point over I think 9 claims.
of ALL of the allegations, the only one that is true is that fact that Trump associates had met with russians over the past few years. An argument can be made that Russia stole the emails and not Wikileaks, although we don't know. Every single other allegation in the dossier was unverified, no evidence at all. How can it be "truthful" if 90% of it is unverified, based on hearsay? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:25 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309071) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Usually when you get a search warrant thru the informant, in criminal matters, you just report the informant to the court keeping the informant anonymous and you just tell the court their basis for having the information that they have. You don't have to get into the who-shot-john of any potential biases the informant (almost certainly) has.
My thought on reading the memo: 1) all informants are SPS impeachable most of the time anyway, and everyone knows that but the informant is just the basis to get the initial inquiry authorized, and 2) What obligation does the FBI or any entity have to disclose possible sources of impeachment at the time the authorization is given? None, really.
Sorry conturds, the memo wasn't written by a lawyer, doesn't touch on actual obligations or the way these things work at all. In short, It's bullshit distraction.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: black pozpig It seems that there are FISA Court statutes or rules which require the government to be especially candid when seeking to spy on citizens. Not an expert though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305733) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Flatulent Magenta Theater Stage Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305766) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: black pozpig I said not an expert, man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305790) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Well, I'm not seeing any. In fact, I suspect the standard is more or less the same as for getting a warrant for anyone. PC. The problem (or the bullshit) is that the memo writers have pisspoor legal training and couldn't articulate that this is how things work. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market You don't think the veracity of the underlying facts should be considered when getting to pc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306038) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:06 PM Author: black pozpig PC for spaceporn:
"Judge, John Doe told me he saw Jane Doe with drugs. Yes, John Doe told me he was lying about it all, but that doesn't matter. It is still probable cause." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No, it's this:
"John Doe said Jane Doe was Smoking Drugs In her Backyard Last Night. He Knows This Because he's her neighbor."
What doesn't come in at that stage is that John Doe has three felony convictions himself and has an axe to grind w neighbor because she fucked up a shared fence.
Yous poast is crap and is apples to oranges in several glaringly obvious ways. (Why's he saying YES? Steel didn't say Steel was LYING!)
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker That is where this conversation should be headed. Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305772) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Clear cocky half-breed Yea this is just like getting a warrant on some local drug dealer. There should be no difference in the burden of proof when spying on the GOP nom during a presidential campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305834) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:44 PM Author: black pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305860) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker It's not even burden of proof. It's probably a probable cause sort of thing, and early on in the process youjust have to make the case for that--you don't have to impeach shit.
Second, Are you an infant? Carter Page was the target for a warrant, not GOP nom during a presidential campaign. Let's at least try to read and think clearly. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:15 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire It was Carter Page AFTER he quit the Trump campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306148) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker lol yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306177) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:15 PM Author: garnet center The FISA standard is supposed to be particularly onerous because this involves using the powers of the NSA--monitoring essentially all electronic communications all the time--to spy on American citizens in a way that we normally only spy on foreign governments. They've only been given these powers at all under the promise that they'll be used with exceptional discretion. Whether they do that or not is another question, but that's the way it's been "sold" to the public.
This is not like a normal criminal warrant. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:17 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker It's granted like 99 percent of the time its asked for dude. that's just the GOP fucking lying to you again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309008) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:55 PM Author: garnet center 99% of the time the process is not used to target one’s political enemies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309320) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: plum site "What obligation does the FBI or any entity have to disclose possible sources of impeachment at the time the authorization is given? None, really."
Ohhhhh boy. We've got a crim law masterman here. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker I'm correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305971) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: pale rehab normally when you appear ex parte you have to tell the court everything, good or bad. isn't that especially true, and explicitly so, regarding the FISA court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306001) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No. It's not. When you seek a warrant you can't lie but you don't have to provide impeachment evidence about how a particular witness has an axe to grind. You are just tyring to get the warrant approved. And remember, there aint anybody there who is there to ferret out weaknesses in the warrant at that stage. If I was the atty trying to get the warrant approved I would point out that Among the OTHER EVIDENCE which is not addressed in the memo, I have a source who is credible for various reasons. It's a "where there's smoke there's fire" sort of stage of any proceeding. I'm not required to say, oh, and judge, there are some credibility issues surrounding information coming from one source. Oh, and judge, the Yahoo article (which has its own fucking editors) may rely a lot on what this one witness has to say. That's just not your obligation at that stage, my dear. Remember, your an ADVOCATE. Defense counsel can do so, when you are actually dealing with issues of burden of proof. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:02 PM Author: plum site Franks challenges cover material omissions, and the failure to include known impeachment information about an informant in an application absolutely can be a material omission, particularly when the only basis supporting the application is the informant. Further, a lawyer reviews these applications. Most standards of professional conduct have rules about heightened duty of candor in ex parte proceedings. Signing off on the submission of an application based entirely on an informant that fails to include known information impeaching the informant violates the duty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306033) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306253) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: excitant bright church building File a bar complaint then.
See also: Leon deference |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: plum site The Leon exception doesn't apply to Franks violations, smart guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306842) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker No. That's just not correct as applied to the circumstances here.
First, impeachment of this guy Steel is just impeachment--it's not that he's wrong or making shit up. He just has some vulnerabilities on cross examination. Big deal. Everyone has that. But trumpmos cant understand this.
Second, "Signing off on the submission of an application based entirely on an informant that fails to include known information impeaching the informant violates the duty." This is just incorrect at the stage we are talking about. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:51 PM Author: plum site It's obvious that you've never been a prosecutor and that you've probably never worked on a criminal case at all. You should seriously stop trying to talk about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306643) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:22 PM Author: milky temple quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306984) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:15 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Why are you so mad? I've been practicing law in various fields for more than a decade. I think I know what I'm talking about. I have worked on multiple criminal cases as well. I have secured plenty of acquittals. So please shut the fuck up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309004) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces I think spaceporn is only saying that they don't have to speculate as to "possible sources of impeachment." They don't have to say "well those five guys might think our informant is wrong" when they don't have any information saying that. They don't have an obligation to make the defendant's case. Nothing in memo says that there was another source discrediting Steel at the time of the application anyway. The FBI believed him given his track record and corroborating information. The Memo's attack is focused on the motivations of Steele, but that's not a basis for saying there was no pc here or that prosecutors acted improperly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306384) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Chocolate Insecure Market I get the feeling the judge would have liked to have known the info came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306527) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:50 PM Author: plum site If that's how you want to interpret his gibberish, then I guess so. I don't know much about this specific case. But insofar as he was saying (and seems to continue saying) that an applicant for a warrant never has an obligation to include known information impeaching an informant, that's totally wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306628) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:58 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces Yeah, but he's right in general sentiment. You don't have to disclose everything that might make the informant a shitty witness at trial. According to the Memo, the FBI believed the informant and he had a good track record. There was corroborating info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306715) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:24 PM Author: plum site You don't have to, but it's a really bad practice not to. It's the equivalent of willfully holding exculpatory evidence before trial under the rationale that the court won't deem it material. It's only a constitutional violation if a court deems the affiant's omission of impeachment evidence material, but (1) ljl at being able to make that prediction confidently ahead of time, and (2) at least for the government lawyers signing off on the application, you're probably violating DOJ policy and state bar ethics rules (I know that DOJ requires disclosure of any exculpatory evidence, whether material or nonmaterial, before trial, and I mentioned above the typical rules regarding heightened candor in ex parte proceedings, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's Department policy re disclosure of informant impeachment in an ex parte application regardless of whether it's material). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307000) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Spectacular kink-friendly sandwich mood Considering how none of us have seen the underlying warrant, and the Nunes memo is weasley enough to support any number of interpretations on this point, youre making quite a leap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307065) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:33 PM Author: plum site Like I said, still unfamiliar with the facts of this case because I'm still reading the memo. Spaceporn jumped to the generalization that "lol this is only an application so informant impeachment information is totally irrelevant," so I'm only speaking on a general level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307086) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: infuriating chapel feces "I know that DOJ requires disclosure of any exculpatory evidence, whether material or nonmaterial, before trial,"
"Before trial" is very very very different than an application for a warrant. I've reviewed enough of these to know that they're 99.99% boilerplate and that they do not detail the characteristics, motivations, and sordid pasts of the informants. If that were the standard, these applications would turn into lengthy discovery proceedings where the pros would have to turn over mountains of documents to the court before it could make the application.
They can't lie. Can a material omission be a lie? Sure, but it would have to be an omission along the lines "we have evidence that the informant is lying". These applications are drafted and reviewed rapidly. There's no time for that level of detail, and CI's are always shit, which is why there needs to be corroborating info.
This one wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Forget it. There's far more ridiculous and flimsier shit that I've seen submitted. You want a tragedy. Look at the low standard coming out of the district courts for something like cell tower dumps. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:12 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308991) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:29 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker "You don't have to disclose everything that might make the informant a shitty witness at trial." Latham
"You don't have to, but it's a really bad practice not to. It's the equivalent of willfully holding exculpatory evidence before trial under the rationale that the court won't deem it material." -you
No it's fucking not, you fucking moron. Have you ever fucking tried a case? Have you ever had a guilty client plead not guilty? JEFSUS fucking Christ. Your pissing me off because I'm 100 percent right on this right out of the box and it enrages you shitheads that I am right so you just keep saying stupid ass wrong shit |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:07 PM Author: plum site Address my point. You said, in multiple posts above, that evidence impeaching an informant is never relevant with respect to an application for a warrant and it need never be disclosed in an application. I acknowledged, with latham above, that you don't ALWAYS have to disclose it. Do you concede that you're wrong? I can embarrass you and cite cases holding that a knowing failure to include information impeaching an informant was a material omission in violation of Franks if you want, or you can just acknowledge that you're wrong.
And yes, I've tried cases. More importantly, I've drafted warrants. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat 3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not, being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files— but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.
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doesn't seem like speculation |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: fishy abode stick to shitlaw you imbecile (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305998) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:12 PM Author: adventurous pungent brunch jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306880) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:30 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker how the fuck do you think I know what I know (which is correct btw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35309102) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:34 PM Author: Dashing Reading Party Kitty Cat dude, how some prosecutor gets warrants from judge in bumblefuct to look into a guy who might be running a methlab shouldn't set the standard for how the deep state should get warrants to wiretap their potential future bosses for vetting
if that is indeed how it is, that's deeply fucked up, and we should change that
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker Lol you stupid trumpmo fuckers just got pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35305969) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306058) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: snowy floppy tanning salon cumskin Check OP. This is the biggest nothing burger of all time. Cops have unreliable sources with biases, often the sources are wrong, but cops still look into it. News at 11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306103) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306125) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: snowy floppy tanning salon cumskin http://www.xoxohth.com/go.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdocument%2F370598711%2FHouse-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses%23from_embed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306162) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306480) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306151) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wonderful casino lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306173) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Carmine Legend I hope this is sarcasm for your sake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306291) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:09 PM Author: snowy floppy tanning salon cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306091) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Swashbuckling orange useless brakes fanboi Trump in 2020 against his political opponent:
YOU get a wiretap!
And YOU get a wiretap!
And YOU get a wiretap!
Oprah sadly scissoring with Gayle while dems crying, losing hoap |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: garnet center It's a little unclear why the FBI fought so hard to keep this secret. What can possibly have been harmed in terms of real national security by this release? There are no methods, and everyone named in it has been associated with this mess for a long time already. Even the details that are "new", like McCabe admitting that the whole surveillance operation depended upon the flimsy Steele dossier, aren't anything that couldn't have been guessed pretty easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306348) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: excitant bright church building National security matters should not be subject to the whims of Fox and Friends retards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306416) |
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Date: February 7th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: House-broken Charismatic Weed Whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35348448) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire McCabe didn't say it depended on the dossier. He said it was the impetus behind it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306452) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Soul-stirring plaza foreskin Wrong. Read elsewhere ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306611) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:59 PM Author: hot fighting milk multi-billionaire Read the memo, idiot. The warrant wouldn't have been sought without the dossier alleging that Page got a commission from the sale of Rosneft but it doesn't say that the dossier was the only evidence sufficient to support a warrant application.
https://i.imgur.com/NFRsY8J.png |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Zippy faggot firefighter property "without the steele dossier information" is too ambiguous. Either you're right or this memo was poorly written. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306788) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Carmine Legend right, I'm sure there was non-dossier evidence insufficient to justify seeking the warrant but that simultaneously would've justified the warrant itself. that makes perfect sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306837) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: light beady-eyed antidepressant drug Right, the other evidence was a fucking Yahoo article that was actually quoting Steele himself, lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307063) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Spectacular kink-friendly sandwich mood If you think that the FBI used a Yahoo News article to corroborate essential facts for probable cause, you're fucking retarded.
Almost certainly the article was used for some other purpose. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:27 PM Author: light beady-eyed antidepressant drug I had to re-read this several times because I wasn't sure that anyone could be so wrong and stupid. From the Memo, being discussed ITT:
"The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Spectacular kink-friendly sandwich mood Read very carefully what the memo says. It says the warrant cites extensively from the Yahoo News article but it does not allege that the FBI used the article to corroborate the dossier. In fact, it's classic misdirection.
If the FBI had actually used Yahoo News to substantiate probable cause, the memo would have said so explicitly. |
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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Spectacular kink-friendly sandwich mood Lol, exactly as I suspected. You trumpmos are such credulous retards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35479018) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: vibrant pit Cause this is the REAL DIRT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306487) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: mint headpube idiot In my opinion, the FBI doesnt want it publicly discussed just how easy it is for them to get a FISA warrant and the kind of bullshit they put in warrant applications (lol yahoo news) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307179) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:04 PM Author: garnet center ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307391) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Opaque round eye telephone ITT:. Not a single person who has sought a search warrant (or equivalent order), challenged a search warrant, or clerked for a court evaluating a search warrant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306526) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Titillating step-uncle's house sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306770) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: fishy abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308987) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: aromatic splenetic marketing idea sweet tailpipe Disappointed that this memo was clearly overhyped and will not lead to Mueller’s firing (the original billing).
Guess we will have to wait for the OIG report to come out.
In the meantime, the Democrats and corrupt FBI officials can explain why they were hysterically screaming bloody murder for the past week trying to prevent this memo from being released. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Carmine Legend we just need 1 or 2 more data points to connect the sham FISA warrant to the Mueller investigation. we already know the same set of compromised DNC stooges were involved with both. hopefully it's just a matter of time before the full narrative materializes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306863) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:12 PM Author: snowy floppy tanning salon cumskin Let me know what you and lawman8 cook up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306884) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 7:12 PM Author: fishy abode the use of sham and stooges in such close proximity to each other made this poast very enjoyable to read. thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35308989) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:24 PM Author: garnet center Who would fire Mueller? I think that would still ignite a firestorm.
The better outcome at this point would be for him to explicitly clear Trump and close up shop of his own accord, knowing that his investigation is tainted enough by the presence of all these dirty FBI agents and DOJ characters that nothing he charged would be taken as credible. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Zippy faggot firefighter property On its face it seems no law was broken. However the apparently political biases of Strosk, McCabe, etc. should probably color our understanding of what occurred here. This seems less about the law and more about politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35306753) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:26 PM Author: garnet center It was always 100% about politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307010) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Provocative Hunting Ground Trailer Park The memo reveals that the dossier (that FBI knew was BS) as the best information the FBI had on the Trump team when they went to get the warrants authorized and renewed. So the Russia investigation is over. 16 months and this is the best they had. You can unpack all the political motivations, sketchy payments, and borderline treasonous shit the FBI did but Benghazi 2.0 is over and shitlibs have some explaining to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307301) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:30 PM Author: histrionic black woman factory reset button Does it reveal that? Or is this just Nunes' shitty 4 page summary based on the information he wanted to cherry pick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307690) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Flatulent Magenta Theater Stage Your argument is that because the FBI did not present concrete evidence of Trump-Russia collusion when it applied for a FISA warrant against a guy who was not then a Trump campaign official, the totally separate investigation later started by Mueller (which has led to multiple guilty pleas and more indictments) is a sham. Just brilliant. Please call Sean Hannity right away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307744) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Carmine Legend link to guilty pleas or indictments related to Trump campaign's Russian collusion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307772) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:41 PM Author: Flatulent Magenta Theater Stage Misha Flynn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35307805) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Racy Flickering Tattoo "Sign up to download House Intelligence Committee Report On FISA Abuses"
FUCK YOU, NIGGERS, I DON'T HAVE A QUARTER FOR YOU |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:34 PM Author: alcoholic mother BREAKING: law enforcement occasionally makes use of evidence supplied by people with ulterior motives, and sometimes the evidence is sufficient for FISA judges appointed but Chief Justice Roberts to issue warrants. You did it Nunes. You cracked the fucking case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310128) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Galvanic chartreuse gas station partner so NBD if Trump uses Hannity's memo with unverified allegations (comery's own words) to spy on his opponent's campaign?
There will be no outrage in NYT if this happens right? i am mean if any memo/allegation can be used to spy especially on your political opponent i am sure libs will be OK with trump pulling a Obama right? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 9:49 PM Author: alcoholic mother False equivalency game in full effect here my dude. This shit went through judges that found the evidence credible. If hannity has shit that flies with a judge for a warrant great. I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion but the fact she was one of the funders of the research, along with GOP people btw, doesn't matter if the research was enough to justify a warrant on Carter Page. And while I think the collusion narrative is probably way overblown, anyone that doesn't see that Carter Page is weird and dirty as fuck ain't looking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310265) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 10:04 PM Author: light beady-eyed antidepressant drug This is wrong, and you are the one running the false equivalency game. A material omission from a judge is the same thing as lying. Put another way, it is highly deceitful. The judge presumably only found the evidence "credible" that was actually presented. Leaving out gigantic important facts, such as a dossier being compiled and funded by a political opponent, would color anyone's view of the evidence presented.
The question is: if the actual source and background of the dossier was revealed in full, would the judge have still granted the FISA warrant? No one will ever know the answer of that question, because the FBI/DOJ decided to intentionally keep that information from the judge. So it calls into question the entire process, which is why you don't fucking omit important information in the first place.
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: aromatic splenetic marketing idea sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310954) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM Author: Opaque round eye telephone I cant bear to read all these poasts. Has anyone discussed how Nunes hasn't even fucking read the actual application? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3879963&forum_id=2#35310908) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2018 11:14 PM Author: aromatic splenetic marketing idea sweet tailpipe Your fake news was already debunked, as you know from when you made this thread earlier, rat shitlib:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3880749&mc=9&forum_id=2#35310730 |