XO Don Young (R-AK): Jews Killed In Holocaust bc Nazi Gun Control
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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:21 PM Author: Heady school cafeteria
1) This is your best argument, but that would only work on the first Jews. Eventually, people caught on and were unable to fight back because they had no guns.
2) I don't really buy this at all. When we hear about cops and US troops in standoffs we always ask "wtf is going on?" We don't volunteer to run and help them murder whoever is involved in the standoff.
"If all the Jews in your neighborhood starts killing cops and soldiers, then would you help the cops with the Jewish problem?"
Depends on what I'm seeing. If I see suddenly cops are attacking a bunch of households because they want to grab Jews and send them to camps and you see little children cowering in corners as mommy and daddy fight to their deaths to protect them, I'm definitely not helping the cops/soldiers. In fact, I'm going to be horrified by what I'm seeing and worry about wtf is happening in my government.
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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:38 PM Author: Heady school cafeteria
"Nah. Germans did not like Jews."
Many Americans don't like black people. That is just how it is. You see it on XO but ultimately many people are just more quiet about it. How many whites or Asians are cool living in a black neighborhood?
Despite that, how many of us would be cool with death squads attacking black families? How many of us, if they saw black families fighting to the end to save themselves and their children, would side with those that want to murder them? Most would be horrified and want the black families to win. I'm willing to bet that is overwhelmingly true on XO, which is pretty openly racist.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35508717) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: walnut misunderstood telephone
Hard to know if serious or not but the "Soviet tank engine" allegation was bunk and has been disproven.
A few quick points:
1. A constantly running diesel needs reconditioning. Where were they getting the parts? Was there a supply of Soviet tank engines?
2. Gasoline engines produce 28X more CO than diesels. Why use diesel?
3. A gasifier engine produces even more CO and does not use petroleum products which were in extremely short supply.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35505279) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Cracking jade principal's office coldplay fan
You're thinking about the mixed-use camps that started off as slave labor camps, but then switched to death camps. Nazis also had purpose-built death camps that no one speaks about because hardly anyone survived.
For instance, at Treblinka:
"The gassing area was entirely closed off with tall wooden fencing made of vertical boards. Originally, it consisted of three interconnected barracks 8 metres (26 ft) long and 4 metres (13 ft) wide, disguised as showers. They had double walls insulated by earth packed down in between. The interior walls and ceilings were lined with roofing paper. The floors were covered with tin-plated sheet metal, the same material used for the roof. Solid wooden doors were insulated with rubber and bolted from the outside by heavy cross-bars.[75]
"The victims were gassed to death with the exhaust fumes conducted through pipes from an engine of a Red Army tank.[m][105] SS-Scharführer Erich Fuchs was responsible for installing it.[106][107] The engine was brought in by the SS at the time of the camp's construction and housed in a room with a generator that supplied the camp with electricity.[75] The tank engine exhaust pipe ran just below the ground and opened into all three gas chambers.[75] The fumes could be seen seeping out. After about 20 minutes the bodies were removed by dozens of Sonderkommandos, placed onto carts and wheeled away. The system was imperfect and required a lot of effort;[107] trains that arrived later in the day had to wait on layover tracks overnight at Treblinka, Małkinia, or Wólka Okrąglik.[85]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
You have to remember that the Nazis were bringing in millions of victims by train. A single fucking engine doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35508496) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Heady school cafeteria
The point was fighting back was much harder because they didn't have guns. Telling someone to fight back against a bunch of armed soldiers when they're defenseless is a somewhat pointless exercise.
But, if I realize I'm dying and that my murderers are coming, and I have a gun, I'm going to use it. Multiply that effect across millions of people, and suddenly murdering 6 million+ people becomes a hell of an effort. But because there was a disarmed population it was remarkably easy.
I don't understand the argument that it is offensive to note this. And as someone who is Jewish enough to have been shoved into an oven during WW2 who is married to another person that also fits that description, I would have desperately have wanted to have guns during that time. Yeah, we may have died anyway, but I would have wanted to die fighting. My wife feels similarly. Shitlibs would have wanted to deny me that and people like Ben Carson is promoting that people like me should have had that option. So why would I direct my rage at Ben Carson?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35508668) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: Heady school cafeteria
I would have fought and probably died where I stood, along with my wife and children. That's just how it is because I prefer to die with a gun in my hand and because suffering and then dying is worse. I will hand my children guns and tell them to fight to the end. Just as my parents raised me that in a fight I'm to fight to win or die trying. Out of my 4 grandparents, 3 fought in the war. Both of grandfather's medal collections were impressive. My grandmother's was epic. Their parents and extended families had many soldiers and officers as well. We've been a military family for as far back as I'm aware.
But the more I ponder this the more I realize the effect would have been if anything more significant. During the Warsaw uprising the Polish resistance assisted heavily. In other words, you assume the Germans would run and help the soldiers. In reality, there's a better chance of Germans helping the families. And whatever you may think about how the Germans viewed the Jews, the Poles REALLY hated them with a passion. But even many Poles felt obligated to help the Jews in their fight.
As to your picture, you're showing uniformed brownshirts following orders and putting up some mean signs. This isn't remotely what we're talking about here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35508838) |
Date: February 28th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: Chestnut hairraiser dilemma old irish cottage
This is an incredibly naive way to look at things.
The liberal Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold and the communist Roter Frontkämpferbund were both armed paramilitary organizations that were completely suppressed by their rivals.
Militias fighting on the street was the way of the world back then, exactly as conservaturds hope USA would be given any sort of revolution.
The Nazi and Soviet strategy was to exterminate the biggest threats first.
also,
There were actually quite a few trained jews, but they were all focused on Israel.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35509784) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Heady school cafeteria
Naive in what sense? No one is saying they would have defeated the German Army. We are saying it would make rounding up and killing millions of people much harder. Full stop.
"The Nazi and Soviet strategy was to exterminate the biggest threats first."
It was also their strategy to disarm the population for obvious reasons.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35510302) |
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Date: March 1st, 2018 2:07 AM Author: Chestnut hairraiser dilemma old irish cottage
ok, even under ideal circumstances what would armed Polish jews have done exactly after the Polish army collapsed from invasion from both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?
Are you saying they should have been unwilling to surrender their arms?
Faced certain death as Nazis came door to door just so they could have killed a nazi at a time? They would have been de-armed in less than a week. You need more than just guns.
Poland got completely obliterated despite having a a resilient resistance that continually sought to be armed. What the jews could have done was nothing in comparison.
At the end of the day, this is like asking why did the jews just line up to get shot in the back of the head instead of trying to harm the guys who were shooting them. It's much more complicated.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35512061) |
Date: February 28th, 2018 10:09 PM Author: floppy violet weed whacker
wouldn't have stopped it but would've made it harder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
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Date: March 1st, 2018 12:04 AM Author: mahogany center sweet tailpipe
Already discussed ITT. But in reality, the argument is bad. Some Jews did have guns, it didn't do much, it didn't prevent anything, and if you have the actual army against you and they're the ones tasked with deporting you to a death camp, there ain't much that's gonna help. Additionally, the lengths that Nazis went to to conceal their ultimate goals was staggering. People heard rumors, but no one would, could believe what was actually happening. Also, there wasn't a real way to confirm it because well the people who could confirm it were imprisoned or dead. It was like they simply disappeared.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3906247&forum_id=2#35511399) |
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