libs, explain yourselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36184932)

I got in before there was AA, BUT I think this is a good idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36186763)

I didn't make a comment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36186927)

thread already redolent of duck sauce

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36184951)

Parents, alumni slam proposal to change admissions for NYC specialized high schools

By Lindsey Christ | June 4, 2018 @8:40 PM

Asian-American groups gathered at a meeting in Sunset Park on Monday accused Mayor Bill de Blasio of discrimination for proposing to change the admissions process at the city's eight elite public high schools to make them more diverse.

[ A lot of “vote them out!” cries over proposed changes to the specialized high school exam from Asian American advocacy groups. http://pic.twitter.com/CdPFfRdrCL

— Lindsey Christ (@LindseyChrist) June 4, 2018]

"He never had this problem when Stuyvesant [High School] was all white. He never had this problem when Stuyvesant was all Jewish," said Kenneth Chiu of the New York City Asian-American Democratic Club. "All of a sudden, they see one too many Chinese and they say, 'Hey, it isn't right.'"

Over the weekend, de Blasio stepped up his push to increase the number of black and Hispanic students in elite schools like Stuyvesant and Brooklyn Tech, saying admission should no longer be based on a single exam, the Specialized High School Admissions Test (SHSAT).

But Asian students say his proposal would end up denying them admission.

Asian students make up about 16 percent of the school system, but about 52 percent of those accepted to the eight schools. At Stuyvesant, three out of four students are Asian.

[ Signs at a press conference in Sunset Park on the Mayor’s plan to diversify the specialized high schools. A coalition of Asian American groups says this plan amounts to anti-Asian racism. http://pic.twitter.com/e0J99uKKp6

— Lindsey Christ (@LindseyChrist) June 4, 2018]

"For new immigrants, the test something that is a leveling factor. It's easy to prepare for, they know about it, they can buy a book or they can buy a course. But they can make their kids do it," said Chris Kwok of the Chinese- American Citizens Alliance of Greater New York. "So it's a ladder of success for them."

The mayor wants the state to enact a law requiring that the top seven percent of the students at each city middle school be offered a spot at an elite high school. He said this would boost the number of black and Hispanic students at the elite schools to 45 percent, from 9 percent. But that would reduce the number of Asian and white students.

Organizations representing alumni of the elite schools also are mobilizing to fight de Blasio's proposal.

"I think it's being done as quickly as it is in order to eliminate the opportunity for stakeholders to weigh in and explain their reservations about the approach that they're taking," said Larry Cary, the president of the Brooklyn Tech Alumni Foundation.

State lawmakers have said in the past that they do not want to change the test. They have listened to alumni interest groups from the schools and have said that the exam is the fairest way to determine who should be admitted.

The powerful alumni groups from the specialized high schools have successfully lobbied for decades to keep SHSAT. Some have argued that opening up admissions at the specialized schools would weaken them. De Blasio said that argument is un-American.

Speaking to NY1 on Monday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo sidestepped whether he backs de Blasio's plan.

"The mayor raises legitimate concerns," Cuomo said. "I don't know that there's much of an appetite in Albany now to get into a new bill, a new issue."

How are students reacting?

At Stuyvesant, students said they are divided.

"Students who come from higher class families definitely get to pay for preparatory classes and they do get a bigger chance to get in," Stuyvesant High School student Anna Makuyed said.

Other students said the mayor's proposal would lead to less qualified students gaining admission.

[ A middle school student who has been studying for the specialized high school exam for years details his tutoring regimen. Says if the Mayor takes away the test after he’s put in all this work “that is the definition of unfair.” Applause. http://pic.twitter.com/n1YvCdG2bL

— Lindsey Christ (@LindseyChrist) June 4, 2018]

De Blasio and his supporters disagree. They say it's not a question of unequal ability, but of unequal opportunity.

What is the Specialized High School Admissions Test?

Students in eighth or ninth grade who want to apply to one of the city's eight specialized high schools — Bronx High School of Science, Brooklyn Latin School, Brooklyn Technical High School, High School for Math, Science and Engineering at City College, High School for American Studies at Lehman College, Queens High School for Sciences at York College, Staten Island Technical High School, and Stuyvesant High School — must take the exam.

The 180-minute test scores potential students based on English Language Arts and math. Test-takers are then ranked based on their scores for the number of questions they answer correctly. If admitted, the student is assigned to a specialized high school based on how he or she ranked the school on the application, the priority the student assigned to the school, and the seats available.

Tens of thousands of students apply to the schools every year for 5,000 seats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36185018)

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36185063)

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio suggests changes to elite high school admissions are just the beginning

Overhauling admissions at the city’s prestigious specialized high schools could be just the opening salvo in more aggressive efforts to unravel segregation throughout the city’s school system, Mayor Bill de Blasio vowed Sunday.

“Changing them sends the message that everything is going to change,” de Blasio said at a press conference to formally announce the policies he first described in Chalkbeat. “If you can fix this problem, you can fix anything.”

Surrounded by lawmakers, teachers union representatives, students, and educators inside the gymnasium of J.H.S. 292 in East New York, de Blasio said he chose this moment to tackle diversity in elite high schools because he believes he has a mandate from his re-election last year — and noted the arrival of a new schools chancellor, Richard Carranza, who has been outspoken about inequity.

De Blasio, whose more aggressive proposals require legislative action, also pointed to potential power shifts in Albany and growing public pressure in New York City from integration advocates, suggesting bolder action is on the way.

“The stars have now aligned,” the mayor said. “The moment’s right for it.”

Chalkbeat reported exclusively on Saturday that the mayor is pushing to scrap the Specialized High School Admissions Test as the sole determining factor in admissions to eight specialized high schools — and is calling instead for a system that admits top-performing students from every middle school. The city will also expand its Discovery program, which extends admission to low-income students who score just below the cut-off on the entrance exam.

Specialized high schools reliably send students to top colleges and high-profile careers, but relatively few black and Hispanic students attend — one example of the racial segregation that extends to schools across New York City. Only 10 percent of admissions offers for the schools went to black and Hispanic students this year. Citywide, those students make up two-thirds of the population.

“These are the most respected, most prestigious schools in the city. We will not allow them to be agents of unfairness,” de Blasio said.

De Blasio made changing admissions at the specialized high schools part of his campaign when he first ran for office in 2013. After an initial push the next year for changes at the state, the issue largely faded from the mayor’s agenda as he focused his attention of expanding prekindergarten in the city.

The renewed campaign to eliminate the admissions test marks a shift in tone for a mayor who has avoided using the word “segregation.” And some observers have noted that it coincides with the start of a new schools chief who has been far more blunt in questioning how the city sorts students into schools, and who quickly inserted himself into a contentious debate about integration in Upper West Side middle schools.

At Sunday’s press conference, Carranza said the stark underrepresentation of black and Hispanic students at specialized high schools is a problem with “the system, not the students.”

Pursuing admissions changes at the schools pits de Blasio against an unfriendly legislature and powerful alumni groups that have fought to preserve the entrance exam. State law requires admission at three of the schools to be decided by a single test score, and de Blasio has had a contentious relationship with Republicans in the State Senate, who have repeatedly frustrated the mayor by extending his control of city schools by only one or two years at a time.

But the mayor said that with his educational priority — universal prekindergarten — implemented, he believes the time is right to pivot to another education issue and take this fight to Albany.

Assembly Member Charles Barron has sponsored legislation to nix the exam, and legislators such as state Sen. Roxanne Persaud were on-hand at Sunday’s press conference to pledge support. Under the proposed law, the entrance exam would be phased out over three years. A growing number of seats would be reserved for high-performing students at every middle school each year, until 90 to 95 percent of admissions offers would go to the top 7 percent of students. The rest of the seats would be reserved for a lottery for students in private schools or who are new to the city.

Power dynamics have been shifting in Albany, which could provide the city with an opening for change. A group of breakaway Democrats who worked with Republicans in the State Senate disbanded this year. Additionally, special elections won by new Democratic lawmakers paved the way for Democrats to control a majority of the seats in the Senate. However, one Democratic Senator from Brooklyn has continued to caucus with Republicans, allowing them to control the chamber — for now.

The two other crucial players in Albany, Governor Andrew Cuomo and Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie, expressed interest in reforming admissions at the city’s specialized high schools this weekend but did not specifically express support for the bill backed by de Blasio.

“I think the question of equity in education is very important,” Cuomo said at an unrelated event on Sunday. “I think the question on admissions and how schools are segregated, desegregated is a very important issue.” (A Cuomo spokesperson said officials are reviewing the specifics of the bill.)

Still, winning over lawmakers promises to be an uphill battle. New York State Sen. Toby Ann Stavisky, a Democrat who represents several Queens neighborhoods with heavily Asian populations, released a statement that she “couldn’t disagree more” with the mayor’s proposal. Asian students are disproportionately enrolled in the city’s specialized high schools, and some advocates have said that changing the admissions criteria will disadvantage a group of students who often come from low-income families.

Alumni groups also promise to be a leading voice of opposition. The alumni foundations of Stuyvesant and Brooklyn Technical called de Blasio’s plan “absolutely not the answer” to the schools’ diversity problems in a statement released Saturday, and made the familiar argument that the city should instead boost quality at its middle schools to serve as a pipeline to competitive high schools.

“The goal must be to address the systematic, long-term educational challenges facing far too many young people in underrepresented communities,” the alumni groups said. “And help to ensure that all New York City school children have access to the high-quality educational opportunities they deserve.“

While the legislative battle plays out, the city is pursuing other changes that it can make on its own. The city will reserve 20 percent of seats at every specialized high school for students who are in Discovery — just 4 percent of seats were offered through that program in 2017. In a push to make sure a more diverse range of students benefits from the expansion, the city will limit the program to students in schools serving mostly poor students.

https://chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/06/03/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-suggests-changes-to-elite-high-school-admissions-are-just-the-beginning/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36185049)

All the strivers will be flushed out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36185276)

I live in the city, I don't want to see it go to shit.

But people need to learn the hard way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36185291)

I don't think it's just for URMs thoug. One of my friends told me she did it, and she's Bengali.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36187028)

hopefully this will finally redpill some of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36186903)

Who is this "society/racism" choosing to make the school 75% asian?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36187065)

also, can you explain whether society/racism is holding back whites from achieving to the level of Asians?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36187142)

She declines to respond to questions about why the level of systemic racism in the US corresponds 100% with the relative inability for certain populations to compete.

If racism is responsible for 100% of the disparate impact black and latino people endure, either there must have been no racism against asian people, or it does grant them superpowers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36188227)

https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Heritability.html

tl;dr we don't know how much blacks can achieve because the conditions have never been right. in a racist white society, black IQs are 85, hispanic IQs are 90, white IQs are 100, asian IQs are 105, and jewish IQs are 115.

but if the society were non-racist, black IQs might be 115, hispanics 110, whites 100, asians 90, and jews 85.

we just don't know! we've never gotten there! so one thing is certain: we have to invest more in reducing racism. we have no reason to believe it will be better, but it might be! one way to do it is to make sure black kids go to stuyvesant and fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36188261)

-- no legacy of slavery/segregation in canada

-- almost all blacks in canada immigrated within the last 40 years or so when there has been minimal discrimination

but somehow we see the exact same phenomenon in Canada: Asians > Whites > Hispanics > Blacks on test scores, income, incarceration rates etc

Similarly for UK/Sweden/France etc etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36190065)

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2018/06/05/nyc-parents-alumni-asian-american-groups-slam-bill-de-blasio-push-to-scrap-shsat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993911&forum_id=2#36190183)