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Trumpmos here, but we have to stop separating kids from their fams
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy Trump can do everything else the same, but all the people should be in the same facility and Trump should sincerely apologize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272532) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water "same facility" in Mexico. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273059) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Misanthropic mother sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273218) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Salmon Theatre cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274374) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:12 PM Author: greedy cruise ship fanboi they already put them in the same facility together during the Obama years and libs freaked out that it was inhumane and NOT OK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273321) |
Date: June 19th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: maize excitant garrison cr they all need to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272565) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: marvelous prole risten (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272576) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: beady-eyed institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273067) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Deranged yarmulke what about american moms separated from their children when they are arrested and jailed pending trial?
why is there even an outrage about this? when women commit crime they get arrested and are separated from family. happens everyday in american courts |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy Whataboutism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272607) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: marvelous prole you have no answer. you're a disingenuous hack lib who should killself. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272610) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy I said Trumpmo here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272665) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency risten, chirr rong time trumpmo here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272728) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: Shivering razzmatazz black woman regret "Whataboutism."
It's a point of comparison that helps us contextualize the matter. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: bat shit crazy travel guidebook idiot Dat cancel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272794) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Yellow Bbw Church Building What about Trump saying it was so unfair that Manafort had to stay in jail pending trial because he was tampering with witnesses in writing? How is it unfair to hold Manafort pending trial for CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES but fair to hold these detainees for a misdemeanor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272988) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Elite Light Area Chad He's a citizen, he hasn't been convicted of anything, we know who the fuck he is and where he lives, and he hasn't stolen anyone's identity.
What we DON'T know is who these witnesses supposedly are. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy Whataboutism. We need to detain people prior to trial when they are likely to flea justice. But Trump still owes the American people an apology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273928) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: cracking base child care obligations are routinely cited as a reason for leniency in sentencing. surely the logic applies to a crime that is punishable by a fine and no jail time, like jaywalking.
but yes you are correct, women accused of murder sometimes await trial in jail away from their minor children. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water State DSS agencies take children from their mothers all the time, sometimes for very little reason outside of the fact that they can. Sometimes they never give them back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273073) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: cracking base That's not true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273204) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water I've defended over 550 dss cases in state court as a PD. What do you want to know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273211) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: cracking base first, it is 100% different. the inquiry is whether there is abuse or neglect and if it is in the child's best interest to be placed outside of their home. It is not punitive or a political tool.
Second, if there is a temporary removal of a child from a home, it's only after an investigation. If it is going to be permanent or there will be a termination of parental rights, it's after a full trial.
lol @ this absurd analogy. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water It is 100% the same. Mother is incarcerated or otherwise suspected of not being able to care for a minor child and DSS takes the child immediately, with this power only tempered by their obligation to have a probable cause hearing no later than 72 hours after removal. Judges friendly to DSS almost always find that there is probable cause. No different than Mom getting popped for illegal entry, although from the pictures it seems that these kids are in a far nicer, safer place than where American kids go to in state DSS custody.
As for getting the children back, state DSS agencies have a perverse financial incentive to (1) indicate a case for abuse (the number of indications is what their funding is based upon), (2) keep the child in a DSS run foster home (which DSS gets paid by the state by the child), and (3) DSS gets funding for their adoption departments based upon how many adoptions the do. Yes, there are safeguards, but these safeguards are only as good as the people who act in positions of authority, and it breaks down in cases. The people who comprise this system are almost all women, they are almost all very poor themselves, and some are prone to pursue petty grievance. It is a horrible, horrible system. further, it affects thousands of American families each year and disproportionately affects families of color and particularly Hispanic families.
I have seen kids get TPR'ed in cases that would boggle your mind.
But hey, let's all hold hands and emote over the plight of foreigners who are entering the country illegally. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water But by all means tell me more about how DSS works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273388) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: cracking base I'm happy to. You wrote 2 paragraphs with nothing in them. You didn't address the point that children are only removed for the purpose of protecting them from unfit parents. That's not the case here. It is a false equivalency whatever flaws you think the system has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273440) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water Otherwise fit mother is detained in [county jail/ government immigration Nazi death camp]. Kid is taken care of by government until parents get out. Sometimes they cry.
Where is the disconnect here?
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Self-centered diverse address rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273481) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: cracking base "otherwise fit" meaning aside from being a junkie and/or abusive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273493) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Garnet Jew Boiling Water You're fighting it, but you I know understand the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273603) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: dashing bull headed university queen of the night cr.
if these are all modular/tent style facilities anyways then (edit: "retrofit them to") just keep them together. doesn't really impair ability to deport imho.
unless this is all a way to get sessions out of the way; 8-D chess, etc. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: stimulating dilemma associate Pretty sure libs will never accept keeping families together in detention facilities. The only thing good enough for them is release into the general public. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272679) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Sepia hissy fit cr op is flame Libs don’t want anything but them to be allowed in |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Snowy Glittery Partner https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272686) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:38 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency "Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody."
They're prosecuting people trespassing as criminals, not in civil court, hence the separations. |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Mauve Personal Credit Line Fuck off concern-troll CUCK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272696) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency I agree mainly because using the kids as a pawn to discourage border crossings and get the wall done will not work, because:
1) The idea of separating kids from parents runs counter to American values.
2) It will be horrible optics for Trump
3) It will actually hurt families/kids unnecessarily.
4) It won't actually discourage border crossings.
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Self-centered diverse address rigpig Of course it will discourage border crossings with kids. This was a known loophole that people were taking advantage of to get into the US, and now that loophole is closed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272730) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: ungodly swashbuckling turdskin house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272735) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency Lol, let's watch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272743) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Vibrant Slate Forum wrong on all 4 counts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272732) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: ungodly swashbuckling turdskin house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272736) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency K, let's wait and see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272747) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Bespoke market K, we'll keep doing it and see the results over time. If it doesn't have the desired effect we will add other measures and obviously the wall is one that should be commenced immediately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272835) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Brass stirring national security agency This policy needs to change. Republicans who care about family values are offended by this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272962) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:15 PM Author: histrionic zombie-like field family values at any cost? even the well being of your own children? which family comes first, sometimes you have to ask yourself that. heck not sometimes, every fucking day you dolt. your own comes first, btw. if you didnt know that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274231) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: slimy nursing home lol at amerikkkan values at this point, wtf does that even mean when so many idiot racists can support a deranged moron like trump who shits on amerikkkan values every day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272766) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: jet famous landscape painting just stick little kids in a cage with criminal adults. nothing bad can/will happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272757) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: disrespectful up-to-no-good piazza Tell us more about being a Trumpmo, Jogurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272782) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: spectacular ticket booth Whats your solution other than letting them go free in the U.S.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272810) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency state was expecting the "s" ending the OP to be continued as "-up brady, great to hear from you ..." in the thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36272980) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Wonderful Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274692) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Ruddy at-the-ready whorehouse crotch We need to stop them from crossing the border in the first place. If we had a wall they would not even be here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273099) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy Agreed that we need a wall. But Trump needs to apologize first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36273954) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: histrionic zombie-like field trump has never back down or apologyzed since he began his campaign. worked out alright, id say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274238) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: primrose toilet seat coffee pot Go back to Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274221) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:18 PM Author: comical pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274242) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: razzle-dazzle plaza therapy This should be a bannable offense. Reported. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274279) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Boyish international law enforcement agency state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274371) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: fishy autistic deer antler pisswyrm Hey RSF, what does this post smell like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36274289) |
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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: insanely creepy carnelian school cafeteria roast beef I’m completely supportive of the current policy, but I think it’s the wrong thing to do politically. The detrrent effect is likely insignificant, so as far as I can tell, the only effect it will have on immigration is that a higher number of illegals caught at the border will be detained until their removal proceeding. While this likely ensures that a higher percentage of illegals will be deported compared to previously, there are far better things to spend this much political capital on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005597&forum_id=2#36275863) |