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can't believe how many of y'all are into joel osteen now, holy shit
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:54 PM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor i love jesus but holy shit is this a strange way to show it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423406) |
Date: July 13th, 2018 11:55 PM Author: Cracking whorehouse deer antler We don't like him b/c of Jesus -we like him because of the non religious messages
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:56 PM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor that's like saying i'm into nietzsche but not for the ethics, just the aesthetic of power (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423421) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: transparent lascivious incel kitchen I feel like this describes a decent chunk of the Nietzsche fanbase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423436) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor yeah but they don't ADMIT IT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423441) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:46 AM Author: Translucent frisky spot lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423945) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:55 PM Author: Ruddy legal warrant pervert I think XO is into Joel Osteen like XO is into IFNB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423415) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:57 PM Author: glassy heady dysfunction tattoo No. IFNB is photoshopped gay porn. Osteen is speaking the most profound truth ever spoken in this broken world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423424) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor i could see someone earnestly saying this about jordan peterson, despite the wash your penis meme am dumbstruck y'all think rampant materialism and undue positivity are inherent goods |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine It IS NOT about rampant materialism. That’s what you don’t understand.
And that’s why I keep telling people to watch the sermons. You think “prosperity gospel” = prosperity = have models and bottles, and it’s just not true. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor hit me with your curated, best five minute clip. will watch start to finish and engage in charity and good faith. i could swear i've seen him say the words YOU WILL GET THAT CAR/PROMOTION, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423455) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:03 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine He does say that, but it can be described as follows:
“Frame says that while he disagrees with some of Osteen’s applications of Scripture he thinks that “for the most part they are true expositions of the passages he cites.” (p. 321) Is Osteen part of the “pray for a bigger house” kind of materialism? Frame urges caution here. “Although he does urge his audience to pray for earthly advancement and prosperity, he always puts that in a context of godly motivations.” (p. 321) Frame says he has been moved by one of Osteen’s sermons and that he has “found many of [his] sermons to be personally beneficial.” (p. 321) ”
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025540&mc=2&forum_id=2
I will look for a good clip to poast, but it will take some time. I recommend reading the full blog post by a legit theologian in the meantime. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor if a bigger house is a metaphor for something like a greater capacity for charity or some other non-material aim, i'd like to see a clip of him making that very clear. it's not enough just to say that, e.g., providence entails that good people are prosperous, because that's clearly not a certain rule of this world, good people clearly suffer. but if osteen is not comforting people with thoughts of material gain, i'll be happy to recant here, but take your time, i'd like to respond to his best argument as you see it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423493) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine To be clear, I am not pitching him as some heavy duty theologian. He is more of an inspirational life coach who has a very positive message that 99% of people can benefit from.
I think Osteen helps people reach their full potential - which undoubtedly means they will end up with more material gain than the alternative - even if the gain may not be large in an absolute sense.
I will find a clip to this effect, but if you are expecting some heavily faithful religious teaching, then this exercise is not worth it. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:14 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor to be fair, i don't really get the point of the secret either. what i'd want is to hear him declare that the good of the soul is categorically more important than the body, which is where we might come into disagreement--it's very possible to be shut out from material wealth by the pursuit of spiritual purity. this is a foundational principle of the church, and i think it's indispensibly important, even for people who might not choose that life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423519) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:16 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine Well, I don't think he goes that far, so then you may not like him. But that big time theologian I linked has some criticisms of Osteen but says he is good overall from a religious standpoint, so I think you are being unduly harsh.
It's also worth mentioning that he's singlehandedly introducing a ton of young people to Christianity. People who otherwise would be consumed by our hedonistic piece of shit society. Don't overlook the big picture.
I'm going to look for a 5 minute clip that represents why he is a force for good. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:20 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor i read the piece you are mentioning, i think he was more concerned with whether osteen clearly misinterpreted any individual piece of scripture, which i'm willing to believe he didn't. my point is philosophical, but i will readily admit i'm a much more adamant anti-materialist than a lot of christians, yet i think it's a critical point. in the early christian didoche, the reason to give money away is not because the needy will benefit, but because money will corrupt your soul. i think there's something fundamentally to that, and i'm skeptical of christianity that embraces individual wealth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423545) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine I don't know if I'd say this is his very best, but it's a representative example of why I like him, and what he preaches.
https://youtu.be/_kjSK-PcU9o?t=1m20s
He doesn't say what you want him to say, so you may not like it (and I know the Oprah endorsement is probably bad). But like I said, I think you are unduly harsh. I think there's no question that this guy is overall a force for good, not to mention my previous point about all the new people he is bringing into Christianity. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor ok, so i'd like to start by apologizing for being a dick. i shouldn't be mean about something that you find valuable and that you like, even on xo. i want the best for you, and if this is a part of it fair enough. i've watched five minutes so far, but dude, my main concern though is that you cannot end here. it's good to be positive and not negative about bodily things, hell i'm obnoxious about physical appearance even though i'm not that attractive, so i get why feeling like you look good is important. but people need to correct me and tell me to look after my soul, and that'd be my concern with not moving past here. you are a smart dude, you are very capable of reading plato, paul, etc., and getting a really healthy world view from the whole thing, and not just a single part like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423630) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:49 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine I don't understand where people keep getting the notions that (1) I end here or (2) that I ever said Osteen is all you need to know about Christianity.
This whole thing started because I made a thread about a good Osteen sermon that helps out people who are depressed, or in a rut.
In that thread, I didn't say one word about religion. I didn't say this is all I listen to or follow. He's like a life coach that preaches a very inspirational and empowering message, and incorporates Christianity.
And plenty of people got MAF and called him a charlatan and said he's objectively harmful and a force for bad, and that it's morally reprehensible to even promote this fraud as a genuine good force. And that's just not true, and easily disproven by listening to anything he says.
I've linked it several times, but will again. This is what I'm currently reading, along with the Bible:
https://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Christian-Master-Reference-Collection-ebook/dp/B00ASISYQ6
But something like this is not easily accessible, so it would not make much sense to go on and on about it. And if you are in a rut, you won't read a word of this. I listen to Osteen to and from commuting, and think he's just spectacular. I really don't understand all the controversy and strawmen of my positions when it really should be uncontroversial that the guy is a great force. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:54 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor so if i could just try to explain the emotional animus, at least where i'm coming from: i think christianity is at its best when its back is against a wall, and it's fighting. GC is awful, and it must be opposed at every avenue. if osteen seems soft on GC, i am sad because i want all christians to go balls to the wall on this, because we are perhaps gaining a bit of power in a losing conflict, and we need to fight harder and harder. i get that osteen might be inspirational if you're in a rut related to money (for what it's worth i'm in a rut about women being whores), but he is not doing much for what i see as the bigger issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423670) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine Oh, well thank you for explaining your position. He probably is soft on GC, but I guess we disagree about that being a dispositive issue that must be attacked in order for something to be good or worthwhile.
As an illustration, the current pope rails against GC, and I think he is utter shit compared to Osteen. Under what you've just said, it would seem that you strongly prefer the Pope to Osteen, so we just fundamentally disagree. As I said, Osteen is about maximizing your potential, and if that message also incorporates being soft on GC (largely by not addressing it, or by implying that getting more money is desirable), so be it as far as I'm concerned.
I look to that role as properly being handled by something/someone else. But the truth is, I think XO Ted was right about technology, it's the core of GC, and one cannot be defeated without the other. Good luck doing that. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor modernity is really hard, dude. i like xo ted a lot, but don't think he's sufficient. my thoughts about the pontiff are a literal idiosyncratic to the least (i hope benedict is happy in his castle, god bless that man). yet we need to always follow not men, but ideas, and hopefully approach the good. i'm glad you have osteen man. but i really hope you also go beyond him, if you want philo recs hit me up any time, theology recs you'd be better hitting up beck (or also for philo recs i am in a pretty aporetic state lately) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423710) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:11 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine My time is more than filled with Osteen, the book I linked, and the Bible. I don't know why you keep implying he's the be all end all.
My point about XO Ted is just that technology feeds the GC beast, and you'll NEVER defeat GC unless you can defeat technology. And if you are of XO Ted's view that technology is unstoppable, you have a grim view for the future (as I do).
But that's neither here nor there with regards to Osteen. He helps you maximize your potential. Of course it's the message that counts, not the man.
And thank you for the offer for philo recommendations. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:14 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor ok fair enough. i'm glad you're just reading paul too, def read that before the scholarship on paul, make up your own mind etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423738) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: glassy heady dysfunction tattoo no, you're just dumb.
release the hatred that has blackened your heart and acknowledge your place on God's potter's wheel.
He is crafting you into a masterpiece that will put Michelangelo to shame--but if you keep up this cynicism, you make it impossible for Him. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Ruddy legal warrant pervert Joel Osteen is the Duke and Dauphin rolled up into one convenient package. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423452) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: azure property therapy This is my Bible. I am what it says I am. I can do what it says I can do. Today, I will be taught the Word of God. I boldly confess: My mind is alert, My heart is receptive. I will never be the same. I am about to receive The incorruptible, indestructible, Ever-living seed of the Word of God. I will never be the same . Never, never, never. I will never be the same. In Jesus name. Amen. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:03 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor what the fuck is this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423473) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:05 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine That’s what he tells people to say at the beginning of every sermon to get them in the mood. Read the blog post I linked by a heavy duty theologian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423482) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:05 AM Author: Rusted fragrant ape address joel osteen is the secret with some christianity.
i'm telling you, it's training wheels. it isn't bad in itself, but don't get stuck there either. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine I love him but certainly he is not the only resource. This is what I consult with for the real meat, along with the Bible itself:
https://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Christian-Master-Reference-Collection-ebook/dp/B00ASISYQ6 |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: Rusted fragrant ape address interesting. i actually hope this isn't schtick. i don't osteen is bad at all. i remember watching him and thinking this is the secret and it's not bad and probably good for a lot of people who don't have any ideology that helps them.
is it's glitzy and is he making a ton of money off of it? sure. and? somebody gotta get rich, might as well be the guy who helps the masses get sense of direction, meaning and purpose. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: canary sexy son of senegal shrine Exactly, he does so much good that it makes sense for him to be rewarded. And this isn’t schtick, though I suspect some of the people saying they are into him are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423510) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:09 AM Author: Pink generalized bond faggot firefighter Be 100% honest: have you ever daydreamed about his cock size? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423721) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor fair enough, xo posters treating it like thomas is fucking baffling to me though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423497) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: azure property therapy Thomas who (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423508) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: Rusted fragrant ape address bishop robert barron makes a point about introducing christianity to people. lead with the beautiful. i think buried in the message of osteen is "the secret" which is really, at core, the idea that you need to see god the way god see you as he is constantly willing you into existence. if you can see where god is constantly creating you, then you have power to change things because you know it's never static. you never really are "stuck". you're vital in ways you can't imagine. leading with the summa will not lead to conversion. you get to the summa AFTER conversion.
edit: i forgot the main point. you lead with the beautiful which is christ who is the perfect man. with that said, the true and the good--the other transcendentals--while eminently "good" are not the best way to introduce people to christianity. lead with the beautiful. and osteen...maybe by mistake, maybe he tripped over it...leads with one of the beautiful things. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor ok fair enough, if osteen emphasizes the power of will in a time where people are increasingly willing to describe humans mechanistically, that can be a good. agreed the beautiful is the easiest of the transcendentals to move someone to god, but what i'm really afraid of is that osteen moves people towards things that seem beautiful but are only superficially beautiful. scruton i think is cr on his focus on buildings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423529) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:20 AM Author: Rusted fragrant ape address people figure that out on their own. if they dig deeper and deeper, they figure that out.
it's a lot like the story of the main character in the book Siddartha. He has a money stage. And then he gets over it. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Razzmatazz outnumbered lay fortuitous meteor i think the danger is what you emphasized above, you don't want people to get stuck on a beginning step. there needs to be something to spur them onward. osteen seems to have some people transfixed on a very early step in progress in virtue, although i agree it might lead some people on the right path eventually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423554) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Pink generalized bond faggot firefighter We are all secret fags here. Hence, xoJoel icon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423667) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:41 AM Author: Cerise Digit Ratio Rigpig weird thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025552&forum_id=2#36423933) |