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Former LSAT instructors, rate how difficult this problem would be for students

From 1 to 5, 5 being the toughest. Legal theorist: Only t...
Turquoise temple
  08/21/18
answer is E difficulty is 1 i'm not a former lsat inst...
wine laser beams stag film
  08/21/18
never took the LSAT here answer is E and I got it in like 3...
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
E
hairraiser juggernaut
  08/21/18
A-D are garbage answer choices which makes it easy
ultramarine irradiated corner ratface
  08/21/18
yeah this before I got to E, I was thinking "damn if t...
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
I was thinking hmmm . . .some of these could be "true&q...
vigorous lettuce gas station
  08/21/18
(Guy who gets it)
racy cruise ship selfie
  08/21/18
question is a 3 for most students, who will be thrown off by...
Wonderful Lodge Dragon
  08/21/18
damn if this was easier for me than like HS Algebra, should ...
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
the vast majority of my students were tards so 4 or 5
Trip Candlestick Maker Sound Barrier
  08/21/18
what does the average "tard" score?
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
148-154
Trip Candlestick Maker Sound Barrier
  08/21/18
you really don’t know the median LSAT score? hint: it’...
erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  08/21/18
was mostly clarifying if that poaster meant "tards"...
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
I settled on B before I got to E. I then saw a chorus of xo ...
Floppy University Dog Poop
  08/21/18
One of the easier LR questions you'll see.
Infuriating address mediation
  08/21/18
D might throw off some retards who don’t understand the diff...
erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  08/21/18
OK LSAT mastermen, what about this one? How difficult would ...
Turquoise temple
  08/21/18
idk, C?
Floppy University Dog Poop
  08/21/18
C, 2 Edit actually it's E
vigorous lettuce gas station
  08/21/18
E, again okay maybe C, this one was tougher
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
Look at the premises and the conclusion, E is what fills in ...
vigorous lettuce gas station
  08/21/18
okay cool, I was right the first time you bros had me secon...
drab dashing dilemma round eye
  08/21/18
The differentiator is actually context vs manner. The premis...
vigorous lettuce gas station
  08/21/18
...
bright new version
  08/22/18
Yeah, C is too strong and is not "necessary."
Floppy University Dog Poop
  08/21/18
No it is not C...focus on "nearly always incompatible&q...
erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  08/21/18
E bc "unlikely of high quality" vs. "might be...
Hot Sienna Theatre
  08/21/18
E E is better than c bc it restricts it to psychotherapis...
motley translucent mental disorder menage
  08/21/18
Yeah C is too strong. Common sense would tell you there's al...
erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  08/21/18
even without reading the question, 5. students cannot wrap ...
Wonderful Lodge Dragon
  08/21/18
E, probably 3-4 in difficulty. C could mislead you. T...
erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  08/21/18
this was easier than the first one
aquamarine incel principal's office
  08/21/18
E, almost always bad = unlikely to be good
mildly autistic apoplectic skinny woman people who are hurt
  08/22/18
(Xo 2018)
Hairless chest-beating orchestra pit background story
  08/21/18
...
Turquoise temple
  08/21/18
Difficulty 1, answer E.
razzle-dazzle roast beef
  08/21/18
Explain
Fuchsia Passionate Parlor
  08/21/18


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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: Turquoise temple

From 1 to 5, 5 being the toughest.

Legal theorist: Only two types of theories of criminal sentencing can be acceptable—retributivist theories, which hold that the purpose of sentences is simply to punish, and rehabilitationist theories, which hold that a sentence is a means to reform the offender. A retributivist theory is not acceptable unless it conforms to the principle that the harshness of a punishment should be proportional to the seriousness of the offense. Retributivist theories that hold that criminals should receive longer sentences for repeat offenses than for an initial offense violate this principle, since repeat offenses may be no more serious than the initial offense.

Which one of the following can be properly inferred from the legal theorist’s statements?

(A) No rehabilitationist theory holds that punishing an offender is an acceptable means to reform that offender.

(B) Reforming a repeat offender sometimes requires giving that offender longer sentences for the repeat offenses than for the initial offense.

(C) Any rehabilitationist theory that holds that criminals should receive longer sentences for repeat offenses than for an initial offense is an acceptable theory.

(D) All theories of criminal sentencing that conform to the principle that the harshness of a punishment should be proportional to the seriousness of the offense are acceptable.

(E) A theory of criminal sentencing that holds that criminals should receive longer sentences for repeat offenses than for an initial offense is acceptable only if it is a rehabilitationist theory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655335)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:11 PM
Author: wine laser beams stag film

answer is E

difficulty is 1

i'm not a former lsat instructor, however, so i'll just stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655388)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:14 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

never took the LSAT here

answer is E and I got it in like 30-45 seconds, including reading time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655412)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:14 PM
Author: hairraiser juggernaut

E

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655414)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:18 PM
Author: ultramarine irradiated corner ratface

A-D are garbage answer choices which makes it easy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655442)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 1:20 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

yeah this

before I got to E, I was thinking "damn if this one isn't right, then this is actually hard and idk wtf to think"

then "oh, no shit lol"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36655461)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: vigorous lettuce gas station

I was thinking hmmm . . .some of these could be "true" but can't really be "inferred" just from the information there. E being so blatantly obvious removes any need to grapple with how far the meaning of inferred should be stretched.

Edit: actually it's just A now that I've looked back at it. B-D are garbage but A could be right depending on how you parse the question. E is much clearer though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656625)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: racy cruise ship selfie

(Guy who gets it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656580)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: Wonderful Lodge Dragon

question is a 3 for most students, who will be thrown off by the sheer amount of information and similar words at play

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656567)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

damn if this was easier for me than like HS Algebra, should I take the LSAT? lol who am I kidding, I don't want to be a lawyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656584)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: Trip Candlestick Maker Sound Barrier

the vast majority of my students were tards so 4 or 5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656604)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

what does the average "tard" score?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656676)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Trip Candlestick Maker Sound Barrier

148-154

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656889)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness

you really don’t know the median LSAT score?

hint: it’s the same as for any scaled test...divide the max score range by 2 and add to the floor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656901)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

was mostly clarifying if that poaster meant "tards" as in "below median" or as in "the median scorer is a tard"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656916)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: Floppy University Dog Poop

I settled on B before I got to E. I then saw a chorus of xo poas answering E.

I'd say 3/4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656728)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Infuriating address mediation

One of the easier LR questions you'll see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656843)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness

D might throw off some retards who don’t understand the difference between “if” as one of potentially many conditions vs “if” as the only condition. necessary vs sufficient, etc. It’s probably the least retarded of the dumb answers but still represents a pretty fundamental error in logic.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36656875)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: Turquoise temple

OK LSAT mastermen, what about this one? How difficult would this be for students?

Psychotherapists who attempt to provide psychotherapy on radio or television talk shows are expected to do so in ways that entertain a broad audience. However, satisfying this demand is nearly always incompatible with providing high-quality psychological help. For this reason, psychotherapists should never provide psychotherapy on talk shows.

Which one of the following principles must be assumed in order for the psychologist’s conclusion to be properly drawn?

(A) It is never appropriate for psychotherapists to attempt to entertain a broad audience.

(B) The context in which psychological help is presented has a greater impact on its quality than the nature of the advice that is given.

(C) Psychotherapy should never be provided in a context in which there is any chance that the therapy might be of less than high quality.

(D) Most members of radio and television talk show audiences are seeking entertainment rather than high-quality psychological help.

(E) Psychotherapists should never attempt to provide psychological help in a manner that makes it unlikely to be of high quality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657126)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: Floppy University Dog Poop

idk, C?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657207)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: vigorous lettuce gas station

C, 2

Edit actually it's E

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657216)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

E, again

okay maybe C, this one was tougher

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657222)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: vigorous lettuce gas station

Look at the premises and the conclusion, E is what fills in the gap, these are bullshit ambiguous choices though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657252)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: drab dashing dilemma round eye

okay cool, I was right the first time

you bros had me second guessing

I think the differentiator here is "any chance" vs. "makes it unlikely"

it's impossible to give psychological advice without ANY chance whatsoever of it being less than high quality. The missing piece of the argument is that if the context makes it UNLIKELY, then you shouldn't do it

at least that's how I got there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657268)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: vigorous lettuce gas station

The differentiator is actually context vs manner. The premises it gives you are about the manner the help is given, so to reach the end conclusion given, the assumption needs to be that giving help in a sub-optimal manner is wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657647)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 1:53 AM
Author: bright new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36660848)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:13 PM
Author: Floppy University Dog Poop

Yeah, C is too strong and is not "necessary."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657277)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness

No it is not C...focus on "nearly always incompatible"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658620)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: Hot Sienna Theatre

E bc "unlikely of high quality" vs. "might be of less than high quailty"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657315)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:29 PM
Author: motley translucent mental disorder menage

E

E is better than c bc it restricts it to psychotherapists as opposed to any type of psychological help

Also c is too strong in restricting it to any chance of less than high quality therapy

Idk 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657410)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 7:49 PM
Author: erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness

Yeah C is too strong. Common sense would tell you there's always a chance of psychotherapy being less than high quality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658627)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Wonderful Lodge Dragon

even without reading the question, 5. students cannot wrap their heads around necessary assumption questions at all.

EDIT: after reading, E, 5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658162)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: erotic aggressive twinkling uncleanness

E, probably 3-4 in difficulty.

C could mislead you. The difference is that "nearly always incompatible" translates to "unlikely to be of high quality", not "any chance that the therapy might be of less than high quality".

There's a chance the therapy could be of less than high quality anywhere....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658611)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 8:36 PM
Author: aquamarine incel principal's office

this was easier than the first one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658979)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 1:58 AM
Author: mildly autistic apoplectic skinny woman people who are hurt

E, almost always bad = unlikely to be good



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36660858)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Hairless chest-beating orchestra pit background story

(Xo 2018)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36657282)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Turquoise temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658441)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle roast beef

Difficulty 1, answer E.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36658504)



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Date: August 21st, 2018 8:45 PM
Author: Fuchsia Passionate Parlor

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4057065&forum_id=2#36659043)