Upset Jew, can you list some of the "white cultural problems" you mentioned
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: curious snowy piazza therapy
Okay, I don't know if you're being opaque or disingenuous here.
Let's start with the question posed.
The young gentleman says "Europe, in the 1960s and 70s, had what a lot of people in this room think is the solution. It was composed by and large of ethnically homogeneous white Christian nations. The "other", i.e blacks, or Jews or Muslims, were not there. He goes on to say through some "cultural enervation" or "spiritual failure", Europe brought in hordes of immigrants and the "racial problem" onto itself. He goes on to say then that means there is something "deeper" that's wrong in the Western psyche. If there are no Jews or blacks disrupting white "paradise" with "minority problems", why would the ideal homogeneous conditions called for by racialist thinkers, succumb and in such quick fashion go into a perceived downfall? What is the problem?
The speaker reports back "Yes, it because a sort of illness in the mind. He references "Jewish leftist thinkers" and the "rupture with the Catholic Church" as bad influences in the 1960s, but he goes on to say the leftism, the ideology of leftism, was the real peril, and many bought into it wholeheartedly. The 60s, he says, "ruptured" traditional values tried to replace it with hyper-progressivism. Also then began the mass immigration of people from former colonies into France and even other countries. He said the protestors protesting their event were white. So it becomes not a question of a race, creed, nationality or a religion posing a danger. It is an ideology of leftism that offers utopia in promises and dystopia in practice. A demonization of traditional mores and values because the left MUST eradicate its competition because it can't co-exist with other ideologies. Leftism itself is a religion. People on here ranting about Jews day after day are missing the forest for the trees. They are actually more of an obstacle to themselves than any outward force. Like victim mentality - it keeps one victimized to avoid taking accountability for one's problems.
That's my point. I am Jewish, I loathe leftism and what it brings about in societies. I am in favor of free speech, despise political correctness, like free enterprise, merit based competition, equality of OPPORTUNITY, capitalism and freedom to have different ideas in societies with respect to any and all laws or points of view. Many whites, non-whites, Jews, Christians, Hindus, whatever, believe this too.
(part ii coming)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36834911)
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: curious snowy piazza therapy
The Jared Taylor video:
A man in the audience says he wants to make a "controversial point".
He says blacks ascribe to whites almost a magic like ability that makes them responsible for all manner of ills in the black community, such as the high crime rate, rates of drug using and selling, gang activity, even so far as blaming whites for the fact that countries in Africa, most of whom never directly interacted with white people, are basket cases for the most part, due to colonialism or racism, etc. He believes, rightly, that this is ludicrous.
He then goes on to say that many in the "alt-right" crowd seem to ascribe Jews the "magical other" qualities. An omnipresent force in life responsible for all manner of ills in the white community with a nefarious intent, which he says is tantamount to basically the way blacks ascribe blame to whites erroneously.
Jared responds that the animosity does seem to stem from the awareness of the aggregate impact of certain elite Jews who push destructive ideas that hurt whites as a group (i.e, elite Leftist Jews in media, Hollywood for example) but he in no way sees Jews as an enemy of white people. He sees their history with gentiles as intertwined, complicated and fascinating. He notes the many Jewish likeminded folk in the audience. Additionally, he notes that there does seem to be a tendency among many in his movement to ascribe blame to an "other" when they see so many problems in their society or the world and think "how could this happen? there must be an enemy!" They're unable to take accountability for their own actions, their own thinking, their own mentality. He says, like many black folk blame white people for every conceivable moral failure, whites should look into their past and reckon with the moral failings of their culture before the cast blame toward an outward hand.
ujtp out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36834980)
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Date: September 18th, 2018 5:45 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
I agree that this is an arguable comparison (blacks who blame whites for everything, and alt right who blames Jews for everything).
But you still have refused to address the glaring hypocrisy in your logic: you properly make causation inferences based on Jewish overwhelming disproportionate representation in good things (Nobel prizes) while deflecting and distracting from any sort of inference based on the converse (mass immigration, communism, any number of policies that destroy a society).
You also have refused to address the argument that your “ghetto mindset” defense in inapplicable in cases like Japan, where Jews are affirmatively trying to destroy it even though Japan has done nothing to them.
I made it clear in the other thread and you responded but didn’t address the points. I can link it again if you’d prefer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835057) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
He had a legit gripe with you before because you wouldn’t watch the video.
But you did and then he disappeared.
I even understand his point and think there’s merit to it, but it doesn’t address the gaping hole in his logic that I pointed out.
The solution is to spam him with this hole, as he spammed his video, until he provides a good faith response.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835386) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
A shame. I like these kinds of interactions and do think his comparison is fair, though not entirely on point.
He always claims to believe in a fair exchange of ideas, so I will hold him to his words by continuing to ask him the questions discussed until he provides a response.
I am disappointed that his “analysis” here seemed to be merely regurgitating points made in his videos as opposed to adding anything original. I hope the reason for his disappearance isn’t that he has no idea how to respond.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835404) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
Really? What kind of clues?
I generally like him and if you are correct, he would have fooled me bigtime. I have been impressed with what I thought was his good faith. And I thought his insistence that people watch his video was reasonable. And I am open to his point of view, agreeing with a lot of it.
But his silence here is certainly very odd, especially considering everything he’s said before.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835533) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
This really didn’t seem to be the case with him. I still don’t really believe it.
But his silence is speaking volumes, particularly when he’s insisted he wants a “clear thinking” dialogue and that he loves free speech and the marketplace of ideas.
I will give him some more time to see if he responds, but you better believe I will let him know I haven’t forgotten.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835636) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
I don’t think that he truly only wants free speech for Jews and no one else.
However, I do think his claim of approaching this issue in good faith is not true, otherwise he would have provided a response.
I think of him as trying to operate in good faith, but the glaring hole I presented operates as a sort of subway third rail for him. And the Jewish part of him hijacks his thought process and warns him NOT TO ENGAGE, and shuts down his mind.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835706) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:43 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
Could be. That’s my main point I want him to address.
I’ve laid my cards out on the table. I believe the good achievement of Jews allows one to infer that, on average, they have very high IQs.
I further believe that their massive overrepresentation in MANY causes which destroy a country also allows one to infer that, on average, they use their higher intelligence for evil purposes.
Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not completely wedded to the idea (though I admittedly get triggered as fuck every time I see a Jew article advocate for destroying a country), so perhaps there are other interpretations.
But I know with 100% certainty that “white people do bad things too” is totally and completely unresponsive. That’s just an obfuscation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36835911) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: Sienna Immigrant
Sounds about right.
Still, while I appreciate this take, these are valid questions that Upset Jew should respond to, and as I said, I am open to his point of view.
Maybe he is busy now so I will wait until I see him again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4080581&forum_id=2#36836002) |
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