Any bort libs out there want to justify Democratic tactics re: Kavanaugh?
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Date: September 19th, 2018 7:22 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
it's not brilliant strategy because it opens the door for bullshit tactics that not only could, but will, come back to bite you. in fact, that's exactly what happened to the dems since they first implemented this tactic. (it's also not "brilliant" because it was copied, a different point)
garland was nominated with plenty of time to get appointed. a fair consideration of his worthiness should have occurred and he should have gotten appointed if he was deemed worthy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36843864)
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Date: September 20th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
i'm not arguing otherwise. i'm saying the practice is bullshit. i guess it's naïve to believe we could expect our politicians to act reasonably and leaving it up to voters to judge each side's actions is what we are left with.
despite loving what happened, i don't think it's how things should be. it's also clear that these types of tactics aren't going anywhere soon
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36848544)
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Date: September 20th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Filthy National
LOL
LOL
LOL
Go killself
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36848632) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Lime office
The problem is each side DOES NOT treat this as an actual war. Only the Dems do.
They continually go even lower, and on the offense, while cuckservatives are perpetually on the defense. And this is why cucks have lost for decades.
Indeed, even one of the few offensive moves I can remember (GOP handling of Garland) was simply copying a new low/strategy first set by the Democrats (Biden rule).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841392) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Lime office
Sorry, I think you are being naive. They certainly didn’t learn after Bork.
What’s more discouraging is that Trump has showed cucks exactly how to win, yet they don’t appear to have learned a thing. If not through Trump, when?
My point is that while the cucks MAY not cave here, they haven’t grasped the bigger picture, and I don’t see how they ever will.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36842714) |
Date: September 19th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: dark heady address idea he suggested
if he is lying under oath today to serve his own advancement, he shouldn't be a judge.
that's the best argument I've got.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841295) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
okay, whatever
let's go this route
the question is irrelevant and doesn't go to anything
anything
relevant about kavanaugh's worthiness to be a justice
did you play doctor with the neighbor girl when you were six?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841465) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Plum weed whacker
I get why he did it
if it is a lie (like they find an email where he says "oh man betsy wasn't into it!"), then he's done here.
If he literally forgot, which is also possible, and somehow she can prove it happened, it probably doesn't matter because the fact that she can prove it means he's probably done anyway. That's not really fair but the "it doesn't really matter" probably won't win given how tight the margin in the senate is
so why not just say it didn't happen?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841521) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
get why he did what?
yeah, email didn't exist when this occurred
she can't prove it in any reasonable way. she apparently told nobody about it for 30 years. if she could prove it, i'd still think it's bullshit, but that's a different discussion. she can't. there is no reason to believe otherwise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841571)
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: Plum weed whacker
you are assuming away the problem in your first paragraph
the primary issue is that feinstein just sat on it until the opportune time to try to delay
also all the dems tweeting "I believe Dr Ford!" while knowing nothing is unjustifable
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841415) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Cobalt vivacious mother
Listen, no one is going to believe this bitch if she’s not willing to testify under oath. She’s impeaching not only her own credibility, but the credibility of all women. You can whine about McConnell all you want, but remember who has the burden of proof here.
Edit:
Oh and i think they should subpoena her and Judge and jail whoever is lying for dalse statements
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841699) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 12:25 AM Author: Cruel-hearted water buffalo cruise ship
To be fair,
Can you ELI5 why the FBI can/should "investigate" this?
I'll let you assume for the sake of simplicity that FBI jurisdiction is appropriate here, though it's almost certainly not because there's no allegation that any federal crime was committed, and that jurisdictional issue in and of itself is fatal to her "request" as a threshold matter.
In return, when formulating your answer, please do me the courtesy of addressing *with specificity* the precise factual circumstances surrounding this incident that you believe the FBI is *better* positioned to "investigate" than Congress -- bearing in mind that (1) Ford knows as well as anyone on this Earth who else was present at the party in question and she either can or cannot remember their names/identities, and (2) if she can recall names/identities, Congress has the power to subpoena those individuals and extract sworn testimony from them under penalty or perjury. And no, the mere fact that she's "not comfortable" answering "tough" questions from "mean" Republican Senators doesn't cut it -- particularly in light of the fact that she has now voluntarily made her identity public, and the further fact that notwithstanding that decision the Judiciary Committee has specifically offered to take her testimony in a closed-door session.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36846344) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
the accuser's wishes on the timing of the release of an anonymous letter that wasn't supposed to be released?
huh?
what they should have done is looked at this for what it was, considered it shit, and asked kavanaugh about it for a few questions during the 300 hours of questioning he sat through
i don't mind them fishing for a few questions based on this pure bullshit accusation.
but what they did ain't that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841431) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Plum weed whacker
both sides have made up their mind due to politics, of course
but, if you were taking this seriously, for me, the issue is there is nothing more to investigate. She admits there were no other witness other than the Judge guy, who says it didn't happen (not that he's credible, but that's his story). She doesn't have details about time, location, place. It probably isn't a crime. There is nothing to discover, there is no additional evidence. FBI won't touch it because its not a national security concern, local authorities won't touch it unless she files a formal complain, and there is nothing they can do with it anyway - it wasn't rape and i doubt whatever it was can even be prosecuted under statute of limitations.
Everyone knows this - which is why feinstein sat on it for six weeks - because if it came out six weeks ago, they would have had six weeks to say that there is nothing out there and the dems would have nothing to complain about now.
So what do we have? he said, she said, and a democratic senator who is playing dirty
Personally, I don't think even if it happened exactly as she described it that it is relevant given that he was 17, it doesn't seem to have been a crime, and he has a 35 year record that is spotless. I understand that is likely the minority (or at least the "silent majority") view.
And perhaps she isn't lying, but we all know that witness testimony and memory can be very unreliable. People believe things happened that didn't happened, or after reliving something over and over again come to remember it being much worse, or involving different people, than it actually did. That is why there is a system that requires evidence, etc.
If you think if he did that at age 17 that it is disqualifying, then you either need to give him the benefit of the doubt when he denies it and say it is not reasonable to allow unsubstantiated allegations to sink someone, or you take a view that this is a lifetime appointment and we just can't take any risk. I'm of the former opinion.
What's the point of delaying? Feinstein, Schumer, Kamala and Spartacus all decided no a year before this guy was even nominated. The whole suggestion that we need an investigation is just a silly political game.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841675) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: Cruel-hearted water buffalo cruise ship
To be fair,
If by "kidnapping" you're trying to say "false imprisonment," given that she hasn't alleged that Kavanaugh physically transported her anywhere (and even the false imprisonment thing would obviously be a huuuuuge stretch)
Jesus Christ this used to be a law bort
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36846384) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Yellow Razzle Mediation Sandwich
the lowest level of sexual assault
false imprisonment
disorderly conduct
based on what we know, none of those should be provable beyond a reasonable doubt, but those could be the crimes
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841625)
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: stirring dilemma selfie
"Otherwise, what do you expect them to do? It's a pretty serious allegation even if it was a long time ago. Are Democrats just supposed to ignore it and wave the guy through? Come tf on. I'm sure if the tables were turned McConnell would have already shut down the government some how."
Great! Maybe going forward, we should just automatically accuse every Dem politician and nominee of watching child porn. I mean, that's really serious, right? Don't you agree that if these politicians are all watching child porn, that we should put in a FULL investigation? Why should we provide any evidence or testimony without a FULL investigation first? What's the rush?
I mean, you don't HATE children.....do you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841914) |
Date: September 19th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: galvanic startled bbw
For all those saying Garland
What about Bork? Thomas?
You guys started this all
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36841530) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: buff mildly autistic coldplay fan
What about them? Both went through the process and were voted up or down on the decision of the individual senators.
Bork is easily appointed if Republicans didnt cross lines against him.
I am glad to see Dems fighting dirty post Garland.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36843719) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 7:29 PM Author: slate nofapping den
Yeah, I have no respect for people like you, who view this as a fight between teams you root for, and not governance of our country.
The number of shitty things Team X does is no justification for Team Y doing shitty things.
There are a lot of people that aren't on Team Y or Team X (including rape victims) who get hurt by the bullshit that the teams pull.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36843913) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 7:37 PM Author: buff mildly autistic coldplay fan
Valid point. In current circumstances I unfortunately think the gloves are off. Democrats could continue to play by a rule book the GOP has abandoned, but it becomes harder to effect the policy goals your constituents elected you to advance if you are hamstringed against an opponent that is not.
In an ideal world, Republicans respected Senate traditions of decorum and gave Garland his opportunity to receive the consent of the Senate. They did not do so for purely political reasons. They have behaved similarly awfully with respect to gerrymandering and the use of investigative committees to score political points against Clinton in advance of the 2016 election.
I'd love for honor to be returned to the Senate. Once we've restored the balance a little.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36843957) |
Date: September 19th, 2018 7:57 PM Author: exciting bawdyhouse mental disorder
Things this insane woman does not remember:
1) whether she screams or gasped or whimpered.
2) when there a hand covered her mouth or a mouth.
These details alone make it entirely possible that the incident otherwise happened, is not a crime and that any guy who has fucked more than 3 women would never remember an incident like this. And would have no idea if drunk whether or not she felt comfortable or would regret it.
Which is why it’s not a matter of her or Kavanaugh lying.
Also lol at the clear bullshit about fearing for her life. That is made up after the fact and so is trying to call this an attempted rape.
“The only reason he didnt accomplish the rape was he was so drunk”
Actually the only reason he tried making out with your unhinged ass was because he was drunk.
Libs cannot believe the words coming out of their mouths. At least not men.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36844079) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: Cruel-hearted water buffalo cruise ship
To be fair,
At a future Article III confirmation hearing...
"Mr. [REDACTED], have you ever expressed to any colleagues your AFFIRMATIVE SUPPORT for perpetrators of sexual assault and their heinous acts against women? I will instruct you to think very carefully before you answer that, sir."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36846413) |
Date: September 19th, 2018 8:09 PM Author: khaki trust fund scourge upon the earth
Justify DEM tactics? I can think of one semi-justified explanation:
1. DiFi got the letter and thought it was clear bullshit, so she sat on it.
2. Someone else found out about it, likely through CBF's original transmittal of the letter to her Rep.
3. DiFi would have buried it completely, but was forced to come out with the letter because the party in (2) would have spilled the beans and named DiFi as obstructionist.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36844147) |
Date: September 20th, 2018 8:12 AM Author: Sick buck-toothed sanctuary
Not a lib at all, but this is easy. SCOTUS is now a fully political super legislature (dems fault, obviously). It no longer performs a judicial function so old standards for nominees and Senate confirmation have nothing to do with anything anymore.
Libs did this with Bork and then Thomas (nb, Biden is actually PROUD of how libs changed everything), GOP followed the new system with Garland, etc etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081392&forum_id=2#36847160) |
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