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'Big Law Killed My Husband': An Open Letter From a Sidley Partner's Widow
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:20 AM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2018/11/12/big-law-killed-my-husband-an-open-letter-from-a-sidley-partners-widow/ 'Big Law Killed My Husband': An Open Letter From a Sidley Partner's Widow
The wife of Sidley Austin partner Gabe MacConaill shares her story.
By Joanna Litt | November 12, 2018 at 09:00 AM
Gabriel MacConaill and Joanna Litt on their wedding day.
Joanna Litt’s husband, Gabe MacConaill, a 42-year-old partner at Sidley Austin, committed suicide in the parking garage of the firm’s downtown Los Angeles office last month.
My husband took his life—our life—on Sunday, Oct. 14, one month to the day before our 10-year wedding anniversary. We had been planning a trip for over a year in anticipation of celebrating.
I’m beyond lost and I don’t know how I’m going to get through the rest of my life. Gabe was my best friend, my partner, my lover, and my constant. I turned to him for everything, and he was always there with the most perfect advice and words. He was my world, and after losing him, I can absolutely say, my better half. Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy) and we made that deliberate choice so we could focus solely on our life together, because we were happy. And now he’s gone. He saw no other choice or path.
I never thought in a million years that he could or would do that. And I keep going back to one thought: “Big Law” killed my husband.
We met on our first day of law school (he graduated third in our class). We had every class together and sat next to each other for two bars because of our last names. He was the smartest person I had ever met. He was also the kindest, most selfless person I’ve ever met.
I know in my heart that overall, more than anything, we were happy. I would find myself during the day thinking how lucky I was to have him and our life. No one made me feel more special and loved— everything he did, he did for us. And that’s why I have this overwhelming need to tell our story, his story. I don’t want anyone else to experience the utter shock and pain I am in.
Gabe and I worked hard at our marriage. Marriage isn’t easy and I would never pretend it was. Our most serious problem revolved around Gabe’s struggle with binge drinking. It wasn’t on a daily basis, but maybe three or four times a year there would be some event or function where he drank too much. I was hard on him for it—it made me so uncomfortable and mad and sad when he would cross that line. I didn’t have much compassion or realize his drinking was masking a deeper pain and I made him feel felt very guilty. As a result, he would stop drinking for a month or two and be OK for a while, but then there’d be a lapse.
Gabriel MacConaill delivering a toast at his brother’’s wedding. He saw someone professionally a few times, but that was it. In his way, he was working on it— and that meant a lot to me, so we stayed together.
Then there were a series of ill-fated events at work. First, his mentor and confidant suddenly announced he was leaving the firm. This had a huge impact on Gabe personally. It also caused a big shake up at the firm, and another of his treasured partners left to take early retirement.
Gabe, thrust suddenly into an important leadership role, was told in no uncertain terms that the firm was not going to hire any lateral support. Shortly thereafter, the last partner who was senior to Gabe decided to leave, and an associate whom Gabe spent a lot of time mentoring also left. The Los Angeles bankruptcy group Gabe had so deeply cherished and relied on for support had fallen apart.
It was also during this time that Gabe was asked to chair the summer associate program. Sidley’s position in some rankings had fallen and Gabe poured his heart and soul into that program. I know there were many others that helped him, but he passionately assumed responsibility for all 13 candidates, wanting to make sure they had the professional summer experience of a lifetime and wouldn’t hesitate to accept an offer from the firm. The success of the program was overwhelming and he didn’t even tell me. I found out from someone after he died that the associate reviews were glowing.
Finally, Gabe started working on the Mattress Firm case—a huge bankruptcy. It was a little over a month away from filing a Chapter 11 petition, and I had never seen him so stressed out and anxious. He was trying not to burden me with what was going on, but he wasn’t sleeping, I hadn’t seen him smile in weeks, and most everything he said was negative.
He told me he had experienced stress during cases before, but it had never been this bad. I didn’t know what to do. I tried to be positive and encouraging and just make our home as pleasant a place to come home to as possible.
Gabriel MacConaill and Joanna Litt recreating their engagement photo.
The Sunday before leaving to file in Delaware, he spent all day at the office. When I finally called him that evening, it was clear he was in distress and had been working himself to exhaustion. He told me his body was failing him. I picked him up and we decided he should go to the emergency room. He actually said to me on the way there, “You know, if we go, this is the end of my career.”
I’ve never felt so helpless in my life. I didn’t know whom to reach out to or to tell my husband was in crisis. I called his closest colleague and asked if she had noticed anything unusual with his behavior at work. She said he was working more with his door closed, and then she said something I’ll never forget: She said his sense of humor had been gone for a while. I asked her to keep an eye on him at work and then I just brought him home. I tried to make sure he slept and was rehydrating and eating so he could make the trip to Delaware.
About a week later Mattress Firm publicly filed. I sent an article announcing the bankruptcy to my mom and a couple of close friends with the exact words, “This is the case that is killing my husband.”
Gabe came home from Delaware late Tuesday evening. I was hoping the worst was over, but he wasn’t any better. I convinced him to skip a conference in Los Angeles that he was supposed to attend that Wednesday and Thursday and we stayed home together. I thought this would do him some good, but what I found out later was that he had stopped responding to work emails. And when he told me he was going into work that Friday, he instead spent the day at his biological father’s grave—a man he never met—a couple of hours away from our home.
During this terrible spiral, I told him to quit. I told him we could sell our beautiful house and move to Mammoth, our happy place, and snowboard all winter and then figure it out. He said he couldn’t quit in the middle of a case. The irony is not lost on me that he found it easier to kill himself. I thought after this case was over, we’d find a path back to being happy.
Suicide has now become my new world and I am desperately searching for answers. Because to those that knew him best, his family, friends and colleagues, this came without warning. Though it’s only the beginning stages of trying to figure out why this happened, I came across a concept, maladaptive perfectionism, that combines unrealistic standards of achievement with hypercriticism of failing to meet them.
Gabe displayed most if not all of the characteristics. Simply put, he would rather die than live with the consequences of people thinking he was a failure.
MacConaill with his dog Ivy.
Looking back on the things Gabe confided in me, I now know I missed a lot of signs. He told me he felt like he was doing the work of three people—and I think that’s being generous. He told me the deal to resolve the bankruptcy kept changing. He also felt that while a senior partner in Chicago was heading the case, a lot of pressure fell directly on him.
We spoke a handful of times about how he should just try to care less about the work, but knowing the kind of person my husband was, that was never going to happen. He said he felt like a phony who had everyone fooled about his abilities as a lawyer, and thought after this case was over, he was going to be fired—despite having won honors for his work.
On the morning he killed himself, he said he got an email and had to go into work to put something together. I wanted to ask if I could go with him and just sit there, but instead, I simply offered to make him a sandwich for lunch. And without any hesitation, he said, “No baby, I’ll be fine—I won’t be long.” I’ll be haunted by those words forever. He gave me a few kisses, and tried to get Ivy to come cuddle me.
And then he left, taking his gun with him, and shot himself in the head in the sterile, concrete parking structure of his high-rise office building.
I feel like I lost my husband so quickly—within the course of a month—but I’m now starting to realize how hard he must have been on himself all the time. The constant striving to be perfect at work, to be the perfect husband, son, uncle, brother and friend. And then living with this deep unbearable shame that he wasn’t performing to the impossibly high standards he set for himself. He said a few times how he couldn’t turn off his head, but again, I didn’t understand the severity of that statement.
Maladaptive perfectionists lack self-compassion. I should have held him just a little longer, loved him a little harder, and told him way more often how proud I was of him and how much I loved him—exactly as he was. I’ll make penance for this for the rest of my life and for just not seeing the depth of the sorrow and pain he was going through.
Then came Sidley’s handling of Gabe’s suicide—“damage control” that included a last-minute invitation for me and my mom to attend a service at the firm. We went because I needed to see what kind of narrative they were creating. There were a handful of attorneys there, but in the immense receiving line of people who patiently waited to tell us about their unique story of Gabe, most were support staff. One told me that after working at the firm for years, Gabe was the only attorney to take the time to know her name.
I heard story after story about Gabe’s encouraging nature and how he made people feel like they could succeed at anything they put their mind to. One close colleague said she wished “Gabe had his own Gabe.”
Finally, packing up his office, I was handed a gift left by someone who just missed saying goodbye to him. He had decided to go to law school after numerous discussions with Gabe. The gift was a leather plaque; on it was inscribed, “It Can Be Done.”
Gabe lived his life with integrity and treated those around him with sincerity, kindness, and a genuine sense of presence. Unfortunately, I know my husband died not knowing the impact he had on so many people. I believe he died feeling overworked, inferior and undervalued. And I know he died with a lot of shame.
So as I write our story and think about it more and more, I know “Big Law” didn’t directly kill my husband—because he had a deep, hereditary mental health disorder and lacked essential coping mechanisms. But these influences, coupled with a high-pressure job and a culture where it’s shameful to ask for help, shameful to be vulnerable, and shameful not to be perfect, created a perfect storm.
I don’t have any immediate solutions, but for the sake of retaining people like Gabe in these important professions, something needs to change. We need people like him walking this earth; they make it a better place. My husband was impeccable with his word, and actually cared so immensely about the job he did and how people viewed him. He wasn’t focused on the bottom line or lining his pockets with more money. He cared about his clients and the hundreds and thousands of people impacted by a corporation filing bankruptcy. Not to mention, he was really good at what he did.
I was having a hard time getting older. I’m 41 and would think about how time was flying by. We weren’t as young or vibrant. I feel like I’ve answered the age-old question how do you make time slow down. You lose the love of your life. Now, there’s just so much time left, and infinite sadness. I’ll live the rest of my life trying to fill his shoes and help anyone from having to go through this horrendous, needless experience. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig The Los Angeles bankruptcy group Gabe had so deeply cherished and relied on for support had fallen apart.
The Los Angeles bankruptcy group Gabe had so deeply cherished and relied on for support had fallen apart. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig I found out from someone after he died that the associate reviews were glowing
I found out from someone after he died that the associate reviews were glowing
I found out from someone after he died that the associate reviews were glowing |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: comical sticky area " I feel like I’ve answered the age-old question how do you make time slow down. You lose the love of your life."
--Cosmo would cover this story very differently. |
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Very sad story though. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:25 AM Author: Big lavender trust fund hall No kids and years of biglaw partnership, the dude must've been loaded. Why the fuck didn't he GTFO and enjoy his money?
"The Los Angeles bankruptcy group Gabe had so deeply cherished and relied on for support had fallen apart."
The sheer absurdity of this is sad. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:26 AM Author: comical sticky area "One [secretary] told me that after working at the firm for years, Gabe was the only attorney to take the time to know her name." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214897) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:01 PM Author: metal circlehead state Check out this POS 2.5 mil house she sold
http://www.nourmand.com/real-estate/3200-coldwater-canyon-avenue-studio-city-ca-91604/18329412/53821439 |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: Big lavender trust fund hall you think THAT's a POS?
here's a $2.5 M house in a 70% black, 15% hispanic neighborhood:
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https://media.halstead.com/pictures/19012194-3_l.jpg |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: Rose french principal's office deer antler Dude could have taken his millions and tried to enjoy life outside biglaw.
He took the easy way out. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: mischievous fishy striped hyena Unless she’s lying, she was begging him to do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214963) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Slate Chad Sad article. Why is a Chapter 11 case so stressful? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214956) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: clear associate you know that scene in braveheart where william wallace leads the scottish townspeople into the english fort to kill the local magistrate (the guy that killed wallace's wife)?
the townspeople eventually kill all the soldiers inside the fort and start closing in on the magistrate and his one personal guard while making terrifying "aiyaiyaiyai!" barbarian sounds. the guard basically shits his pants and surrenders, and the townspeople kill the magistrate.
gabe macconail, bless his soul, was the lone guard in this scenario. and he should have surrendered. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:01 PM Author: Sapphire business firm It wasn't. The guy was a neurotic pussy. Hence the obvious negative cognitive distortions and the suicide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218831) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Soul-stirring rambunctious rehab clown Tons and tons of secretarial work at attorney rates. Highly stressful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223062) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Mood Pozpig Imagine killing yourself over some shitty bankruptcy case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214959) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann C'mon dude it was Mattress Firm-- they will be writing about that epic bankruptcy filing decades from now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215392) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: comical sticky area KEY PORTION:
"he had a deep, hereditary mental health disorder and lacked essential coping mechanisms." |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Slate Chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215023) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215036) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215057) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215059) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:57 AM Author: pink gaped toaster xo is our essential coping mechanism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215098) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Big lavender trust fund hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215268) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Mood Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215436) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Khaki blood rage school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215464) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216344) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217146) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:36 AM Author: zippy beady-eyed faggotry dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221496) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo He LACKED a hereditary mental health disorder and was unwilling/unable to maim himself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215056) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Sexy Whorehouse Karate Even if you make it in biglaw, you don't really make it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214971) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: comical sticky area It's a pie contest where the prize is that you get to eat lead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214984) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215021) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215060) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Fighting property jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216032) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Salmon house-broken plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220173) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: Razzmatazz mauve elastic band giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214983) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:46 AM Author: rusted newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221514) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky “He was my world, and after losing him, I can absolutely say, my better half.” Jesus Christ at equivocating here. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: clear associate yes this sentence is truly evil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215273) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Titillating maize digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215932) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: contagious place of business native Worst sentence in the essay. Really made me cringe when I noticed it on my 2nd read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217268) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Slate Chad https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabe-macconaill-90138b90/
he was UG summa but ended up going to Penn State (Happy Valley campus)? Must have been 150s lsat bro trying to hack through a woods too dense |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife Makes you wonder. Feel like pure grinders might get overwhelmed eventually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215011) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: comical sticky area They think all they have to offer is hard work and eating shit, they plod along filled with shame at being inadequate, until eventually they cannot eat any more shit, but their programming will not allow them to stop. I know people like this. Worry for'em. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215022) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215024) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: Razzmatazz mauve elastic band giraffe Mods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215179) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218690) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad Sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217024) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: light temple He probably crushed it at Dickinson back before the PSU merger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215155) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: motley massive twinkling uncleanness He was there after the merger. When she wrote that he was third in his class, I was impressed. Then I saw where he went to school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215434) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Sable cruise ship ceo There was a moment in the early aughts when they were handing out merit money to react to NYU’s gaming of the rankings, but your explanation is more likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215205) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce lol this woman gave her husband hell for getting drunk a couple times a year? you can tell he knew he couldnt keep the marriage together if he lost his huge paying biglaw job. sounds horrible
hey man, nice shot |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215053) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Beta Hissy Fit She says she encouraged him to quit. She took him to the ER b/c he was overworking himself. Everyone will be assuming she's trying to make herself look better, but there's no smoking "get back in" here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215103) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Histrionic cruel-hearted incel point You can hear the firm saying “get back in,” when he wants to go to the ER but says it will end his career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216515) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: orange self-centered step-uncle's house cr, there’s some shrewish tells but come on xo she offered to make the man a sandwich! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216557) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216607) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit TBF, how many guys here would kill to have their wife offer that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216956) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: contagious place of business native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217277) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: azure office pervert The best part about it - she was so mad at him for drinking that she even brought it up in her article about her husband killing himself. There was no reason to bring up his getting drunk 3-4 times a year outside of just letting everyone know that she's still pissed.
Amazing that this man didn't take up her offer to go to Mammoth. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:42 PM Author: Glittery Background Story Bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219612) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Cerise mental disorder famous landscape painting "for the sake of retaining people like Gabe in these important professions, something needs to change."
actually this "profession" needs to be thrown in the trash. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37214999) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215000) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: mischievous fishy striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215013) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215025) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: dashing messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215109) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: Big lavender trust fund hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215284) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: Big lavender trust fund hall OH THE IMPORTANCE OF BANKRUPTCY LIT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215285) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Mood Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215441) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Khaki blood rage school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215467) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Titillating maize digit ratio lawyers will never abolish or even reform the legal profession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215942) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Fighting property jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216053) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: dark bat-shit-crazy party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217528) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:41 PM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor hey! hey! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218701) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:06 PM Author: Swashbuckling gay juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219348) |
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Date: November 26th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Red Useless Crotch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37304428) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky “I would find myself during the day thinking how lucky I was to have him” It passes for self awareness that making 7 figures is lucky? |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky She wanted to dump him for binge drinking only 4 times per year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215015) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife lol They probably made her tone that down |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:59 AM Author: odious startled depressive When I read that sentence, I thought it said 3-4 times per week, which seems about right to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215110) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215114) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: impressive thriller public bath bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215166) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce btw, she casually mentions this because she thinks she actually had a reasonable gripe and people will sympathize. the reality must have been MUCH worse for this guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215031) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: contagious place of business native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217288) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: Arousing naked parlor ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215043) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: impressive thriller public bath bbw cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215142) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Beta Hissy Fit She just said it was a problem. These were likely social events (work, family, etc) where he got shit-faced and embarrassed them. She brought it up because she realized she was too hard on him and missed it as a flag of deeper issues.
Edit: Didn't realize you posted this. We addressed it further down, never mind |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Holy shit imagine name dropping Mattress Firm like it was the H-bomb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215029) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215033) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215039) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Mood Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215040) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: pink gaped toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215121) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action It's pretty powerful! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215349) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:50 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky “I called his closest colleague and asked if she had noticed anything unusual with his behavior at work. She said he was working more with his door closed, and then she said something I’ll never forget: She said his sense of humor had been gone for a while. I asked her to keep an eye on him at work and then I just brought him home.” Basement virgin here but I’m pretty sure work wives don’t lament DH’s lack of humor to real wife, then get asked to “watch him.” |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: comical sticky area biglaw partner whose "sense of humor had been gone for a while" -- oh no, there are hundreds of suicide risks in Chicago alone! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215058) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: metal circlehead state Happy Monday!
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2582754&mc=180&forum_id=2 |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Aromatic Site god i hope she doesn't come across xo. you are truly horrible ratfaces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215104) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig We aren’t saying anything bad about him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215117) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215119) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: Aromatic Site why aren't we charitable toward this grieving woman? who among us is without sin? why does her attempt to bring attention to a need for better support in a dysfunctional profession become a fillip for misogyny? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215199) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: peach territorial space persian Shut the fuck up, idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215264) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: charismatic stage organic girlfriend Well played (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216458) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: orange self-centered step-uncle's house Lol he edited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216569) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig https://www.petition11.com/news/notice-of-appearance-gabriel-macconnaill-partner-at-sidley-austin-llp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215115) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: clear associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215305) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor talking shit bout cov-lite loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218776) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: odious startled depressive That's really sad. And the widow/author isn't nearly as awful as the woman who wrote about the Wilson Sonsini partner who OD'd. I feel bad for this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215123) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:02 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215126) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Did we really need to hear about drinking too much? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215149) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: Beta Hissy Fit That seemed to be more of a guilt thing on her part rather than trying to make him seem bad. She is talking about signs she missed and how she was too hard on him for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215161) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Fair enough I was too harsh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215196) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: Beta Hissy Fit Everyone here is quick to blame the wife, and there are plenty of other articles out there with horrible wives making it all about themselves or pushing their husbands deeper into the work abyss, but that doesn't seem to be the case here at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215210) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot Agree she didn’t say anything to be critical of much less blame her for her husbands death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215251) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Eh not so much blaming as being married to a guy making 7 figures is obviously awesome there are going to be drawbacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215368) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life If the wife didnt see the dude's pain enough to get him professional help -- yeah, I blame the wife at least in part. If she couldnt save him expecting his law firm to is kind of hilariously absurd especially since partner to partner interactions at firms are actually not necessarily a daily or even weekly thing. It's possible he had face time with more senior partners once a quarter and for 2 minutes max and no associate was going to dig into his situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215390) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit Yeah I think blaming the firm itself is weak. I think there's something to be said for the soulless nature of it. Everyone seems to agree with that. The part about the husband being the only one who knew a secretary's name after YEARS? That's horrifying. They don't even address each other by name? Is it just "you, get this done?"
She did say he was seeing a therapist and she saw he was stressed. I think it's easy to think it's temporary based on an assignment and not see the bigger picture. Hindsight, etc etc |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression it's not until it's too late that family members learn the true nature of that assignment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216365) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: azure office pervert The Wilson partner's widow's article made me seriously consider MGTOW as an idea that is unfairly ridiculed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218332) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: abnormal toilet seat Protip don't marry a nagging shrew who gives you shit for drinking 3x/year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215140) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: azure office pervert You can just put a period after the word "marry." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218336) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy)
Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy)
Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy)
Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: comical sticky area Are we sure it is not a genetically human child which identifies as a dog named Ivy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215151) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen Law = Shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215159) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life In no other profession could this mentally ill bro make 7 figures per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215187) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot Banking, medicine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215214) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Nah, doctors have to do peer reviewed training in residency. Its 2-4 years of socializing with other doctors all day. A crazy bro would get found out and never make it. Banking is too client facing too. Only in law do you get sufficient insulation from other people that crazy can go unnoticed on the regular like this until you killself. Its why no other profession has the substance abuse and killself rates of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215294) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Titillating maize digit ratio Totally false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216054) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life You Yankees should really beg us for Red Dawn just do we can free you from the yoke of women like this. LJL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215165) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate you are shacked up with a literal Tinder whore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215752) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife Absolutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215761) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life My wife is a music teacher who used to be a gig musician. She cares not one shit for money or prestige hence why we live in Flatbush and not some gentrified part of Brooklyn where all the black people have been quietly shipped the fuck out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215774) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: Bossy arrogant dopamine indian lodge i bet she did some "gigs" with musicians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215842) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216436) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:31 PM Author: azure office pervert Oof (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218338) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen Imagine at 42 years old realizing that all you had was your corporate legal practice. You were particularly adroit at completing paperwork in a fastidious and timely manner. Beyond that, nothing. No children to watch grow. No involvement with the community, save for a few articles you've published in legal journals discussing your fastidious and timely paperwork skill. No close circle of friends to enjoy weekend barbecues with. A wife who is more a room mate.
Sure, you have a pile of money, but after your short flame in this universe is extinguished, you will be forgotten. No progeny. No legacy. Maybe a short firm-wide email. By next Thursday, your office has been given to another partner.
Our modern world is full of traps. Spend your time carefully. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor jfc at the tagline-post synergy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215282) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215297) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle ticket booth main people Some lawyers write treatises or have left their mark on the law in other ways (lobbying etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215299) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann lobbying huh? LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215493) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life A 42yo old bro could still get married and have kids especially with millions in the bank. This dude was just mental. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215306) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce youre insane if you get your life's value from work, particularly if you are in some corporate role where EVERYONE is replaceable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215311) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Not only replaceable but half the work is complete make work BS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215315) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215316) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal cr wtf. lol at this GC flame about finding meaning through work unless you're an artist/writer/musician (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215357) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: swollen orchestra pit friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215845) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: tan nofapping menage stain I am insane then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218068) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:39 AM Author: Idiotic Marvelous Mother Cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221813) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action uh bro are you forgetting that this guy was a PROUD PET PARENT?!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215366) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: metal circlehead state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215520) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression This is 100% the takeaway from this article.
This was all a problem because his job was the only thing in his life that gave him meaning, or a purpose. Probably that and consumerism. I mean, even his wife threw in a line about how they were just about to take some trip.
We often like to talk about how kids of wealthy parents who make it big with some idea or business are "playing with house money", and in some respects it's true, because there isn't a risk of failure. If it works great, but if it doesn't who cares or on to the next thing.
We've gotten away from "playing with house money" spiritually. The reason all of this was too much to bear was because this guy had nothing else in his life to give him purpose. Sitting in some ski house with his wife just snowboarding and spending money on dinners wasn't it. His wife couldn't tell that his real issue was that there was nothing there to give his life greater purpose.
In the past things like family (and i mean a real family -- children), faith, community, etc. all gave people tremendous purpose. People weren't nearly as wrapped up in money and jobs as a way to give their lives meaning -- the money and work was simply a way to provide for the things that were ACTUALLY meaningful.
What this guy needed was something to give his life meaning. He needed to have children who loved him, or he needed to find God, or he needed to become a mentor to kids who lost their fathers. Something, anything other than tying one's entire worth and identity to a bankruptcy filing and an anniversary trip, which was expensive as hell no doubt. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann and it is not just biglaw partners. What you are describing also contributes to the heroin problem in this country. A lot of people are directionless and what used to give them a sense of identity (religion, community, family, occupation) are no longer there. Netflix and Facebook aren't doing a very good job of filling the void. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215614) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression agree 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215651) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:38 PM Author: Hairraiser church building They killed God and gave people iPhones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216649) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Spectacular Wine Range This is probably CR but for the wrong reason. As someone who grew up in the church and is now a non-believer, the biggest value organized religion provides for mental well-being is that it gives people an easy way to develop community, provides regular access to in-person experience with like-minded people, and offers a massive support system especially to those raising kids. If there was a true secular alternative, it would provide the same mental health benefits to people imho. Definitely agree that we are gradually seeing more and more evidence of how bad "connectivity" is for human beings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222892) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression Don't you think it's more than that though, especially as you move down the IQ/ability chain into the lower classes?
Organized religion not only provides a moral code and guidance on how one should live, but it also provides a higher purpose, and treats life on Earth as just one part of the journey.
For a group of people who already failed the marshmallow test as kids, and thus have a hard time delaying gratification, doesn't the concept of an afterlife and judgment help to serve as an additional way to keep people doing the right thing, and striving for paradise in eternity?
I mean, if you're Tyrone from the ghetto with no religion, and you believe life is just life and then you die, can you really blame him for just wanting to live as hedonistically as possible? |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky this is why we have xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216676) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215631) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: drunken wonderful travel guidebook base very well said but it will trigger many here no doubt... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215765) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen Absolutely CR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215851) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:00 PM Author: Sepia death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215908) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Fighting property jap Sadly cr.
The part about spending the day at the grave of his biological father that he never knew was haunting. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Ruddy floppy national headpube wish i would have met you wish i would have met you wish i would have met you i'd say nice shot. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: laughsome disgusting field feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222535) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 7:46 AM Author: erotic slap-happy multi-billionaire 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37250469) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215687) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:03 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit It's literally the Ebenezer Scrooge lesson. Surprised people haven't learned it by now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216330) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Honey-headed exciting institution marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216532) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: Sepia death wish it's difficult to pick out a particular sentence or paragraph to quote here, the whole thing is like being buried under a pile of 75 lb rocks, lowered upon you one-by-one, slowly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215346) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen And saying "Thanks!" each time a rock is placed on you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215353) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: chrome sickened sweet tailpipe hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216481) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215396) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: pink gaped toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215420) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market This is the worst part:
“Then came Sidley’s handling of Gabe’s suicide—“damage control” that included a last-minute invitation for me and my mom to attend a service at the firm. We went because I needed to see what kind of narrative they were creating. There were a handful of attorneys there, but in the immense receiving line of people who patiently waited to tell us about their unique story of Gabe, most were support staff. One told me that after working at the firm for years, Gabe was the only attorney to take the time to know her name. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Stimulating grizzly dragon yea, I don't feel bad for either of these people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215423) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: lake talented idea he suggested You guys are assholes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215450) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Sepia death wish somehow all our "lib" posters are the most reliable GC bootlickers. "Oh don't blame the FIRM for this, we can't say anything bad about the FIRM" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215890) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: lake talented idea he suggested How stupid are you? I think it's pathetic to attack the dead guy and his grieving widow. Considering your default is to run and score political jabs here, not shocked your brain can't piece it together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216122) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Sepia death wish Nobody is attacking the dead guy. Few are attacking the grieving widow. (Those that are, I disagree with them). Everyone, however, is bashing the firm. You come in here screeching how dare you criticise, it’s pretty clearly a defense of the firm, and the toxic Biglaw culture that gave rise to this tragic suicide. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: lake talented idea he suggested That's what you pulled out from "you guys are assholes".
Might be time for a break from this website for you, honestly man. You are a little overheated. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Sepia death wish it's gone unremarked upon but her solution here was "let's go snowboarding" which is fundamentally a childish (or at least teenagish) response. I agree he should have walked away but her offering snowboarding as an alternative is just baffling. that's something you do on vacation, you can't craft a meaningful life out of it, and certainly not at 42 years old (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215462) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce more tellingly, it is a very TEMPORARY response. she even says we can go snowboarding and 'figure things out'. that sounds like a really short break. this dude would have had millions in savings, they already had things figured out. really sounds to me like she'd have wanted him to get back on the bike pretty soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215479) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: metal circlehead state "I told him we could go snowboarding just like I always wanted!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215492) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:00 PM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218826) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:57 PM Author: Exhilarant irate people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219725) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: light temple A very California GenX "no worries bro" solution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215504) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215511) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: metal circlehead state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215524) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Excitant puppy knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215758) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216578) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Jet-lagged mewling cumskin cr, you can tell with their approaches to life, she would have lost respect for him just like he would have lost respect for himself. it's a sad and toxic situation if two strivers have no pressure release valve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215518) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal if he didn't eat a bullet and quit his job he'd still be dead of alcoholism within 5-10 yrs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216101) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce from his semiannual bingedrinking sessions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216106) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: azure office pervert It sounds like I have more drinks in a week than this guy had in a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218366) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Its the fault of the state that so many of you Americans have no meaning in your life. The state does not promote service or family leaving you with nothing in middle age. Shit doesnt have to be grounded in religion even but active indoctrination and propaganda efforts from the age of 6 up to the age of 60 are needed for the mental health of the entire body politic. Ideological programs have to be well crafted and well funded. Its easy to go wrong with them and just create a generation of cynics, but even Cicero and shit understood the need for his kind of thing 2,000 years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215497) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: comical sticky area People who substitute wagework and frippery for self-development and growing up often offer these sorts of adolescent "solutions" to deep-rooted problems. It makes me sad. She wanted to be there for him and do something but she didn't understand what he was going through and didn't know how. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215542) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215557) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: lake talented idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215562) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life LJL if you think she would have stayed married to him for 5 minutes if the paychecks stopped coming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215565) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215618) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Making biglaw tolerable is Sisyphean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215660) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression Yeah, I just wrote about that above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215566) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit She told him to quit, and she thought it was just the immediate case that was the problem. The whole point is that she didn't see the bigger picture, but it's unfair to say that she didn't care or told him to "get back in." She was trying to get him to stop.
During this terrible spiral, I told him to quit. I told him we could sell our beautiful house and move to Mammoth, our happy place, and snowboard all winter and then figure it out. He said he couldn’t quit in the middle of a case. The irony is not lost on me that he found it easier to kill himself. I thought after this case was over, we’d find a path back to being happy. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: twisted water buffalo resort every once in a while, the media crafts the perfect story for XO to sink its teeth into (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215472) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Pale Mad-dog Skullcap Shrine Lol at pretending big law and not mental illness is the real problem here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215486) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Stimulating grizzly dragon plus the guy who killed himself was a little fucked in the head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215503) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Pale Mad-dog Skullcap Shrine A mentally well person would say fuck this and bail long before getting to this point. But big law is a nut house ofc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215529) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: lake talented idea he suggested Like 5 of the posters ITT have even sniffed a biglaw firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215530) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:28 PM Author: jet kitchen immigrant you're a stupid bitch. we complain about this because we've all been there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220433) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: contagious place of business native Holy shit I have met both. Seemed like good people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215516) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Mood Pozpig Damn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215528) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: motley massive twinkling uncleanness Thoughts and prayers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215537) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce im shuddering in fear thinking of the poor associate who got the call and has to pick up the pieces of this case with basically no help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215519) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: metal circlehead state "Ross we've had a setback. Need you in office ASAP. Now is your time to step up to the plate." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215536) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce "this is a big opportunity for you, you should consider yourself lucky!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215543) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215546) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market And also to prepare the bill for the dead partner’s time! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215548) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce oh god, imagine the vultures coming out trying to grab credit for ole Gabe's share of the points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215564) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: anal halford forum this is why it is firm policy to require that all time is in and released on a daily basis - timekeepers could off themselves at any moment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223116) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: swollen orchestra pit friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215859) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market JFC:
“Then came Sidley’s handling of Gabe’s suicide—“damage control” that included a last-minute invitation for me and my mom to attend a service at the firm. We went because I needed to see what kind of narrative they were creating. There were a handful of attorneys there, but in the immense receiving line of people who patiently waited to tell us about their unique story of Gabe, most were support staff. One told me that after working at the firm for years, Gabe was the only attorney to take the time to know her name. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Shows you just how mentally ill he was that he cared what the name of some support staff chick was. I have no fucking clue what the names of any of the lawyers sitting 2 cubicles down are. I have not one clue in hell about the names of even 1% of the support staff on the floor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215550) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce this my friend, is the true mark of a legit xo poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215570) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Jet-lagged mewling cumskin * of the OTHER support staff on the floor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215594) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: light temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216016) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216178) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression oh fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216214) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: plum therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216289) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216819) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: Vivacious pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217602) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:11 PM Author: impressive thriller public bath bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219371) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: jet kitchen immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220450) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: comical sticky area I not only know all their names, I make sure they know who I am, that I'm giving them good reviews, and that they can come talk to me any time. This is purely practical. I have a great advantage in gossip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215602) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life If random people could give us reviews here I might care but at this bank you have to request reviews from people and if I dont work with you on shit I'm not requesting a review from you and so have no incentive to even know your name. Cuts down on the talking. Its DEAD quiet on every floor here except when people are on work calls. Plus, bros sit in NY but work with teams in Ohio or wherever. Nobody is really working with any of the people they actually sit next to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215622) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: comical sticky area No, I give THEM reviews. I let them know they were good so they owe me favors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215626) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: mischievous fishy striped hyena You work in a cubicle? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215611) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life This bank has no permanent offices for anyone. The CEO could come here and they would stick him in a cube or more likely they would turn one of huddle rooms into a temporary office for him, but even MDs are in cubes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215624) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen (Managing Director at the Central Eastern Ozarks Federal Credit Union) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215630) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:56 AM Author: Sepia death wish ironically the Central Eastern Ozarks Federal Credit Union probably has offices for everyone ranked higher than teller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215877) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215625) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: irradiated foreskin lawyers sitting 2 cubicles down lawyers sitting 2 cubicles down lawyers sitting 2 cubicles down lawyers sitting 2 cubicles down
Every time you get irritated with ARE reptile, please remember that this is his life, and be compassionate. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: metal circlehead state oof (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215728) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216863) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Snowy lodge cuckold It all makes sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217533) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: azure office pervert Between this am marrying the tinder girl I see why this guy constantly advocates for a Stalinist revolution, he's begging for someone to put him out of his misery.
TBF, me too. Dying in a purge seems much more dignified than what I do every day. |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:44 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38515985) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Bateful Cocky Gaming Laptop Overall, this article is far less ghoulish than the one by the wife of that SV partner who OD'd on heroin and was trying to launch her literary career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215555) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: deranged trailer park jew Guy was a closet homo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215569) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:23 AM Author: irradiated foreskin Pup Partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215680) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Fighting property jap What led you to this conclusion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216142) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: deranged trailer park jew Took one look at the guy, and no kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216943) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Bossy arrogant dopamine indian lodge sad. sounds like an heroic wife, and she probably gave up a big old check from the firm to share a lot of these gruesome details as a warning to others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215588) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market She probably cashed that check and then published the story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215604) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Most people have terrible jobs and don’t make 7 figures. This didn’t seem that grim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215668) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Bossy arrogant dopamine indian lodge no amount of money makes it feel nice to sleep 10 hours per week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215849) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3180134&mc=130&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215596) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action To people saying he had millions, I'm not sure that's the case. Dude was only like 39 or 40 years old. Granted, not having kids helps that, but it's not like he could have retired in Los Angeles on his savings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215643) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: comical sticky area He may have had a spendthrift wife such that he was deep in debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215659) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:24 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215682) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression that or the other part of his identity (or their identities) was living somewhere prestigious, fancy dinners and vacations, etc. that just compounds the concept that money and his job were the only things giving him purpose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215717) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: contagious place of business native Something tells me it wasn’t his idea to move to L.A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215744) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:41 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression perhaps. i see from his linkedin that he was at some Delaware firm and then went to Sidley in LA. perhaps she wanted to move to a more cosmopolitan city, or perhaps in 2009 he took advantage of a great time to be a BK lawyer and then felt stuck with no book and a resume that had subpar credentials.
either way, i doubt his wife wouldn't have wanted to downgrade lifestyles. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: contagious place of business native Pretty sure I drank with him when visiting friends in DE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215810) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: metal circlehead state "Congratulations! It looks like you're extra popular these days!" (LinkedIn auto email to his still-active work inbox) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215828) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215840) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Scarlet Library Ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217401) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann She is an LA native. My guess is that she convinced him to make the move. Usually people only work in Delaware if they have ties to the area-- he might be from Philly area but deferred to the wife who wanted to make the move to the big time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215813) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Low millions. Like $2 million. Not enough to retire on but enough that no bro should killself at 42. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215665) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:23 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce 42. No kids. Biglaw for years, including at a partner level. Guy should have 3 bucks minimum. No one says you have to retire in LA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215678) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: irradiated foreskin Cr. LJL at proles here: “Sidley PPP is $1m/year. So after being a partner for 5 years, he has $5m right there!!!” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215688) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:27 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Oh right he has big dog expense gtfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215702) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (guy who was in biglaw like 10 years ago)
Sidley PPP is 2M easy by now |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: irradiated foreskin Oh they each get $2m? Wow. So after 5 years he has $10M. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215720) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce i know youre a little slow, but people dont become partner straight away, generally if youre 42 you would have been working at outsized salaries for the better part of two decades, with your better earning years coinciding with the strongest bull market run in decades. so this guy would have had ample opportunity to put away a ton of cash. no one has suggested 10M, but youre being dumb as usual. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215738) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression *dumb and unfunny as usual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215756) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: irradiated foreskin People who dont work in big law don’t understand this. Saving absolute max, this guy might have had $500k after 10 years. Then he gets breakfast, takes a loan from the firm to fund his “capital account,” and his first year draw is $500k. Second year is $600, by year 5 when he iced himself he was looking at $1.3. Add all that up and subtract 50% for taxes, and he might have had $1m. Oh but the story says he bought a house. So he’s back to $800, but around $600 in equity due to RE boom. Unless he’s gonna hie to Thailand like TT6, he has to keep working at Sidley. Hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215779) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce maybe if youre financially retarded. youd have to be a real fuckup to only have 500k after 10 years of biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215788) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression per his linkedin he was at a firm in Delaware for almost 4 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215794) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce hm ok maybe his story was a bit different then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215801) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: light temple sick Delaware neg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216196) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: irradiated foreskin Show ur work, starting with $80k take home as first year, and assuming he and his wife each had $120k LS loans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215839) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce my work is ive been in biglaw over 10 years and was at about 1M at the 10 year mark. this is coming in with 200K debt, being financially clueless and making no particular great efforts to maximize savings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215861) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression All that matters is what he made during his (almost) 5 years as a partner at Sidley.
Even if you assume only $500k saved before partnership, he could have averaged $1M per year the last 5 years. That coupled with some stock market gains could have easily given him $2-3M. No reason to believe he couldn't have saved $1M on $4-5M of partnership profits.
I don't know what Sidley pays its new partners, or how easy it is to advance in partnership distributions, but that's all that matters. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action No way he doubled his take home first year of partnership. He would have been lucky to hit $1M after 5 years of partnership. It wasn't like this guy was bringing in new clients - the story notes he was dependent on senior partners and he basically shit his pants at getting Mattress Barn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218165) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression It really depends on the firm. Some junior partners make the same as senior associates, others get a substantial pay increase right away to the tune of $800k-1M, and I'm not talking about V5 firms either.
I don't know how Sidley pays its junior partners. Perhaps someone else knows more about that. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad i know. they make $500K-$700K for service partner types. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218359) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad You dontt have a wife who robbed your for crack and kids in the Bay Area.
That said plenty of junior service partners at firms like Sidney are making $600k not $2million. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228743) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Impossible. I saved nearly 700k working in compliance for like a decade making half what they make in biglaw. Then I inherited a million but that's not relevant here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215799) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: irradiated foreskin He didn’t live in an apartment by himself eating MREs for ten years tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215814) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life Neither did I. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215837) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Sepia death wish MREs are quite expensive per-calorie, definitely not a solid FIRE strategy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216061) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (SteveMRE) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216083) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: light temple *making half of what a 1st year makes in biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216203) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action You are a slob who lives in a shit tenement in Brooklyn and dated Tinder 4s. Chill bros living in MFH or LA aren't saving 50% of their take home per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218175) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: contagious place of business native Guy seems like he had an incredible amount of pressure on him in every facet of his life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215707) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215713) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: curious theater I like the parenthetical “he graduated third in his class”. That this venom shrew included it an screed about her demented husbands workplace suicide should tell you everything you need to know about these soulless fucking vampires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215759) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: metal circlehead state That stood out to me as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215800) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: contagious place of business native Dat status signaling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215823) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: maniacal vigorous pit love of her life I want summa cum laude on my tombstone, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215865) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:01 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression I'll have peppers and sausage on my Tombstone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215915) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: Provocative godawful home I think you have to actually graduate summa for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215957) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Immediately made me think of the thread where a guy praised Trump's style in using them to his advantage. This is case in point: you get to boast while having attribution be murky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215868) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: nubile abode Killing yourself over a shitty store that sells mattresses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215889) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:02 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate lol at deranged lawyers ITT unable to fathom the complexities of consciousness that would compel someone to killself
"b-but he must've had so much money, it was just a deal gone wrong, I don't get it derp derp" |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Sepia death wish this would be a devastating response, if anyone ITT had said that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215930) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:05 PM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215935) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate there is literally a subthread just an inch or two above this one arguing over how much money he might've had. what is the relevance? it is completely beside the point, yet xo can't help but go there. they really think if only he had just a few more shekels in the bank, everything would be just A-OK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215938) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: comical sticky area Good point. Warmed-over antinatalist drivel is what's truly in order here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215949) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate Never said that. Go get some coffee, freshen up, try again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215960) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218247) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Sepia death wish no the point of that subthread was that he could have walked away, easily, yet was compelled to continue because it wasn't "enough" to him, an attitude which xo (rightly) recognizes as poisonous.
there's also a little bit of EPAH bragging that he makes more than a biglaw partner, but that's kind of beside the point. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: metal circlehead state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215994) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216009) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: multi-colored sanctuary doctorate Walked away into what exactly? Maybe he felt like there was nowhere to go, no refuge from whatever was eating away at him inside. It’s not even an uncommon sentiment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216021) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Sepia death wish the fact that he had nothing to live for besides work is another point raised, ad nauseum, above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216039) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216043) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216057) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky A cushy law job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216058) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: Electric brethren community account You might be able to eventually create your own cushy practice, but 40-something worker bees don't get hired into cushy jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216876) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:13 PM Author: Cracking turdskin stead (Reading comprehension masterman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220866) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216051) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: racy haunting boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215940) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216003) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Fighting property jap "He said he felt like a phony who had everyone fooled about his abilities as a lawyer, and thought after this case was over, he was going to be fired—despite having won honors for his work."
He strove to death |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: comical sticky area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37215996) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216018) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Sepia death wish he was not necessarily wrong, seems they were trying to phase out the bankruptcy group. Maybe they were keeping along to wring as many billables out of one last big case.
And even if he was wrong, he wasn't irrational. Even if they weren't going to get rid of him, they are at all times *thinking* about getting rid of him, and everyone, and will do so at a drop of the hat if the numbers make sense |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky lol @ GC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216034) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Sepia death wish I first wrote "if the numbers demand" but that just shows how ingrained this way of thinking is. the numbers can't "demand" shit, it's the people who make decisions, but this is how they would frame it 100% . We're not really making this decision, the excel spreadsheet tells us what to do and we have to do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216093) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Look what the algorithm made me do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216116) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce cr. the truth of the matter is almost everyone but a few rainmakers at biglaw is totally disposable if the numbers shift a bit in the wrong direction.and contrary to popular thought, you aint shit without the biglaw brand behind you most of the time
so basically 'imposter syndrome' is actually just pure rationality for biglawyers |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression especially so for him given his background with pedestrian schools and 4 years in a midlaw firm in Delaware (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216114) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce that combined with his whole team having left the firm prob would have caused him a lot of anxiety, and he was probably right to be worried, im sure he was on borrowed time. poor guy. must be hard to have perspective when youre dealing with that and just getting crushed with work too. hard to take a moment to reflect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216143) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Sepia death wish very throwback xo comment here, "things would've been WAY better if he just had T6 + V10 on his resume!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216292) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression nah, but it probably helped explain some of his insecurity and why he felt like a phony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216312) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216134) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: metal circlehead state i mean don't we all feel like this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216031) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216098) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce everyday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216119) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216812) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: dark bat-shit-crazy party of the first part I always feel like I'm just keeping a seat warm. Having direct reports, I see that this feeling is common among attys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37224613) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: judgmental stirring sex offender brunch weak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216072) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: metal circlehead state this is my biggest nightmare. killing myself and having my dumbass wife write something like this for everyone to read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216062) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216066) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: charismatic stage organic girlfriend absolutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216140) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: contagious place of business native Guy strove his life away supporting a high-cost lifestyle, & after he finally cant take it anymore & blows his brains out everyone gets to read about how he had a problem with binge drinking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216167) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: metal circlehead state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216187) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce Fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216202) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216222) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Stimulating grizzly dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216266) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216316) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: aphrodisiac chocolate rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216850) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216854) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Glittery Background Story Bawdyhouse no escape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216864) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:06 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516103) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216218) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:42 PM Author: Coiffed 180 church tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220584) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: carnelian meetinghouse idiot Gabe and I did not have children (except for our dog Ivy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216065) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: metal circlehead state I guarantee Ivy was a tiny little yappy fuckdog that she wanted. i can picture it now and am 100% I am correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216073) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 12:29 PM Author: judgmental stirring sex offender brunch Thank God for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216092) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:05 PM Author: ultramarine corner factory reset button Maybe if the mattresses weren't so firm they'd still be in business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216353) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky anyone seen a certain la re atty around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216428) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: contagious place of business native Upon reading this a 2nd time — whoa does it come across as self-centered. Holy shit. MY husband took OUR lives. We didn’t have kids intentionally so we could focus on US (read: the lifestyle she craved). He did this one month to the day before OUR anniversary vacation (hers) that WE planned for a year (she planned, probably with all photo ops carefully charted).
Then she rats the guy out for binge drinking.
Seems like a lot of the purpose behind this essay is blame shifting due to deep guilt. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression eh, i'd probably be a little bitter and selfish if someone close to me committed suicide. i wouldn't write a national article about it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216469) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Joanna discovered her passion for real estate during the process of purchasing her first home in Los Feliz https://www.fentonla.com/agents/joanna-lit/ u can't make this stuff up |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression the person above who said the wife seemed childish was probably right.
stuff like that is such a childish response to a life event.
it's like people who go on vacation a bunch of times and talk about how amazing travel is or how great other countries are, instead of realizing that vacation is nice. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky oh rly u like eating out every meal, not working, not cleaning, throwing towels on the floor eh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216571) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216584) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: contagious place of business native Seems like it’s a plea to let people know it’s not *her* fault.
I’m sure she’s fishing for a lot of, “You did your best,” “It’s not your fault,” “There was nothing you could do” type of sympathetic responses.
Then again, she does make some good points about Biglaw. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Sepia death wish likely true but given her current situation I'm willing to cut her some slack (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216603) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: contagious place of business native I am, too, & she makes some good points about the nature of Biglaw.
But at the same time, for a nationally published essay, she includes some private things that I don’t think he’d want aired & that aren’t necessary to the point about Biglaw. Rather, those parts seem included to show people it isn’t her fault. It also seems like there’s more to the story than just Biglaw pushing him to suicide, which may be why she decided to have this published and include those private details. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:40 PM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo You are quite sensitive about your own skeletons. I don't care if ppl poast about my freaky habits when I'm dead, fortunately I will not be able to care about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217123) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: contagious place of business native Maybe. But his binge drinking & mental illness seem like odd things to write about in a nationally published essay after your husband offs himself because of Biglaw. Would those things be included in a eulogy? Are they germane to the title “Biglaw killed my husband”? Just seems like there’s more behind the essay than illuminating the perils of Biglaw. That said, she’s going through a very awful situation & this may be her way of grieving. I certainly do cut her some slack; it must be a terribly emotional time & it is certainly tragic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217192) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo It's about how he worked himself to death, of course drugs and alcohol are part of that narrative. You really must have enormous hangups (and have some weird identification with the dead guy somewhat) to latch on that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217514) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: contagious place of business native I don’t think it takes “enormous hangups” to feel sorry for a guy who strove his whole life, didn’t know his father, felt the only way out of his enormous burden was suicide, & then has negative personal details published after his death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217587) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit I think everyone's reading a lot into this. Nothing she wrote screamed "shrew." Who knows what was behind their choice not to have kids. I wouldn't assume it was just her. Maybe they both wanted this lifestyle and he just got too deep into work. Maybe they liked their life and travel, etc and didn't want to throw a wrench into it. Plenty of people here have expressed that sentiment. That's why she feel betrayed and refers to him taking "our" lives. This was their arrangement. Just them. And now it's just her. And that sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216625) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: very tactful razzle stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216656) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle ticket booth main people (cuck) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216671) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action All the people here who express that sentiment are selfish dumb assholes, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217095) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: contagious place of business native There are plenty of things in there that scream “shrew.”
She mentions where he ranked in his LS class.
She says she told him they could sell their “beautiful” home.
She says she told him they could move to “their happy place,” which was a ski resort.
Think she isn’t status obsessed? Think the marriage would have lasted if he wasn’t bringing in big money to sustain the lifestyle she wanted? Think he wasn’t acutely aware of the pressure on him to support that lifestyle?
Then there’s this quote, that says it all: “He was my world, and after losing him, I can absolutely say, my better half.”
So she didn’t fully appreciate him until he was gone?
Like I said, it’s tragic & I’m willing to cut her slack; but there are definitely signs this guy was under immense pressure in his personal life in addition to his professional life. And her reaction to his drinking indicates she probably has a controlling personality. This poor guy felt like he had no way out but death.
I think ggtp has grasped it perfectly ITT. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Cracking turdskin stead A lot of these comments are essentially asking "why did this dude kill himself instead of just quitting?" But when his wife ponders that question, she's being selfish. Classic XO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220891) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Glittery Background Story Bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216868) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: Amethyst Voyeur Hospital No wonder he killed himself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217233) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Diverse house sandwich Hmmmnnn... Seems like a lot to unpack here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216489) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: mind-boggling crackhouse shitlib NATURE | OF | ASSIGNMENT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216605) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Electric brethren community account At least she won't have to worry about whether to change her name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216684) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:33 AM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221752) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot Everyone is way too hard on the wife here and drawing every possible inference against her and making some up as well.
She wrote that she Told him he should quit his job and they would downsize.
The guy had serious mental health issues and none of those are necessarily the fault of his wife. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: garnet talking locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216930) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit Yes, thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216950) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: orange self-centered step-uncle's house I usually don’t like you because of politics but you are right here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217014) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Beta Hissy Fit I'll take it lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217212) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: orange self-centered step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230364) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Electric brethren community account It deserves a more charitable reading for sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217278) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Cracking turdskin stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220894) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market Good god how do you get super stressed doing BANKRUPTCY work for “Matress Firm Inc.” (that’s their actual name)??? I mean, this is about as low pressure as you get in biglaw. The company is going belly up anyways, they have to pay your bills bc the judge will make them, and they are a fucking mattress company. Very sad though. The dude should not have been in a law firm. At a firm you need to be very zen about the fact that you might be out on your ass at any moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216965) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot The stress does not come from appreciating the magnitude (or lack thereof) of a case or deal. It comes from the amount of work that must be completed by constant deadlines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216991) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market If his firm refused to give him more resources he should have told the client that they needed to bring in another firm because his firm couldn’t handle it on their own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217042) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot Doesn’t sound like he had that decision makiing authority. He was a junior partner bill in a storm. At that point he might as well just quit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217052) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market Uh the client has the decision making authority, and he has an obligation to give the client honest advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217081) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot He didn’t have the authority to tell the client that Sidley couldn’t handle the work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217094) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market Yes he did, if he was the one the client assigned the work to and he was unable to do it. There is no magical “authority” needed to say, “you know what, we don’t have then capacity for this so you need to bring in another firm” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217131) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market He was a partner, for God’s sake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217145) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot Not the relationship partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217150) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market Relationship partner wasn’t running the matter. what’s with your weird shtick? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217338) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot If you’re the junior partner on a deal you didn’t bring in and not the relationship or ultimate partner oversight you can’t tell the client that your firm can’t handle it without first getting approval from the more senior partner who brought it in. That’s all there is to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217622) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market Well you have no choice but to tell the client that if the firm won’t give you the resources to do the work. Unless you (a) half-ass the case or (b) work yoursel to death and still fail to get it all done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217682) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: garnet talking locus ok, you're some kind of law student or something I get it now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217722) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:58 PM Author: Ruddy floppy national headpube if you are a KYS biglaw bitch you tell the client by blowing your brains out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219744) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Crimson cowardly nursing home lol. his bar license provides the ethical and actual authority to take the action suggested above.
what are you on the management committee for sidley? |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: garnet talking locus Do you really think a guy who KILLED HIMSELF over trying to do a good job was going to tell his biggest client his firm wasn’t up to the task? Forget about how he’d be risking his own capital. Are you a retard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217502) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market No, obviously he was not going to do that. We are discussing what a rational human being SHOULD have done in his situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217694) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: garnet talking locus you think the rational man / economic actor *should* do something that would ruin him professionally and financially? are you speaking in a strict abstract ethical sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217715) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den 1. Telling client to bring in another firm is not a big deal 2. If the alternative is death then yes. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce lol yeah just go tell the client that your massive global biglaw firm is unable to handle the workload. thatll go over well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219988) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Cracking turdskin stead Cr, it is laughably unrealistic to think for one second that he had the real option of firing a major client that wasn't his. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220910) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Fighting property jap Mattress Firm was a money laundering scheme and this was a hit job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216996) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Obsidian Alpha Puts a whole new angle on "hiding money under the mattress" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217174) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:02 PM Author: clear associate you're an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218508) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den (mattress and pillow company bootlicker) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218716) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad My wife has this personality type (the dude, not the wife). Thank god for glass ceilings and female lack of self awareness. Also Catholicism that prevents self harm (and helps prevent self awareness). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217218) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: Electric brethren community account May you avoid the Second Lathaming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217249) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Amethyst Voyeur Hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217281) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad I'm also a shitty striver like the guy who killedself - also don't have much else going on in life. But I have enough sociopath tendencies to not give a shit and derive too much value from the work.
My wife is extremely good at her job and is loved by everyone and takes the extra effort in everything she does professionally - including being really nice to all support staff and making cookies and shit to thank them for stuff they are supposed to do.
She also takes career slights very hard and personally sometimes. If she had to deal with half the shit I deal with from lawyers and clients she would probably kill herself or rampage the company too. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: chrome sickened sweet tailpipe hell "including being really nice to all support staff" bro isnt your wife support staff? |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad i mean she manages the financial reporting division at a tech company. I guess to the extent she is not a code developer, she is support staff. But she makes ~$150K and supervises a dozen people or so, so she has lots of people below her, plus IT and HR drones to be nice to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217747) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: chrome sickened sweet tailpipe hell oh i thought she was a nurse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218356) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: fragrant primrose stage police squad lol wtf. No all of her relatives in the motherland want to come here to be nurses. Her cousins are all nurses here too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218367) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:10 PM Author: Skinny Woman This is the funny thing about Big Corps. You can be some $150K/yr drone, but somehow manage 15 other pointless drones who make $90K. Just shows how bloated our society is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219868) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:21 PM Author: Cracking turdskin stead Everyone who is not an owner of a business or firm is working class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220919) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: light temple lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217267) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Self-absorbed Chapel jeez (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217318) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: Snowy lodge cuckold Disgusting thread. I should have known the overwhelming XO reaction would be to blame the widow for his suicide, but I hoped for a more empathetic tone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217556) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Insane offensive senate blaming wifey is xo's way of coping when things get 'too real' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217620) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218275) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: well-lubricated cream queen of the night spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217624) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: outnumbered cyan market To be fair, I think many blame the firm and the guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217689) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Fighting property jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217768) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone trump supporter She didn't need to put his drinking problem or "personality disorder" on blast. She probably did so because, as an officer of the court, she is indoctrinated to consider the arguments on both sides. But she really just through her poor dead husband under another bus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217942) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address I agree it's extraneous at best, a bad look for the wife. But if you're going for Searing Honesty in an article about suicide, occasional binge drinking and mental health issues are going to be mentioned, as well as how much My Husbandsuicide ended Our Lives; that's just the way people write in 2018 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218289) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky deep anxiety of xo struck? 450 posts lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37217969) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address you can post the next one when a pro poker player kills self, see if it gets traction here. generally they don't have concerned wives to write eulogies (however awkwardly and badly) about them, but who knows. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: tan nofapping menage stain Guy probably did work himself to death. Bill high threes for a few months and see how you feel. Add the pressure of a wife with a made up job and other commitments.
Someone needs to pull Sidley’s bill (debtor’s counsel has to submit bills) to see how many hours he was working. I’d do it, but my firm would wonder why I was pulling it.
If he had just taken a weekend, or even a night, to have a binge drink, he probably would have been fine. But his wife would not let him, and work commitments likely did not allow it.
I wonder what his hereditory mental illness was? Probably bipolar. Maybe schizophrenic. And knock his schools, but summa UG and summa LS takes some doing and he did make partner at a good firm (although I am not sure, but I think Sidley is two tier so he was probably making biglaw associate money, not $2m a year).
I would like to have a binge drink to honor him, but I got too much work to do.
RIP |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: unhinged center thought you were a partner, cucky? what do you care if "someone" wonders why youre pulling something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218733) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:59 PM Author: contagious place of business native Guy’s name is Irish as fuck. I’d imagine his “mental illness” was a guilt complex & depression with a comorbid fondness for drink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218815) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:05 PM Author: Shivering Affirmative Action Didn’t realize you were at PAC. Lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219816) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: Olive Piazza Generalized Bond It’s too early in the case. No fee apps have been filed yet. Also the Fed app will only show his billing post-bankruptcy filing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230376) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Magenta frum heaven personal credit line *sponsored by council of mid law and boutique law shops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218342) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Claret Prole Poasting in a 400 poast thr-
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Shimmering school cafeteria So uh time to poach Sidley associates to jump in house? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218722) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:47 PM Author: comical sticky area Better act quick, lot of them already have a firm commitment to jump out window. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218727) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Shimmering school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37218802) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: apoplectic parlour dog poop Ljl at wagecucks going to the mattresses with themselves IT CAN BE DONE! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219288) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:10 PM Author: comical sticky area I'd just like to register my complaint about the handful of holier-than-thou poasters who have come in here to gripe about the xo way of mourning. I will gladly discuss my poasting ITT with the widow. I feel for this guy, feel for her, know people like'em, not such bad folk, just don't know what they're signing up for, what they're doing, or how to get out. Lots of us are trapped in the maze like that, and I'll be God-damned if you're going to deprive us of our gallows humor.
But you tut-tutters, know this: your haughtiness does not make you compassionate. You felt the need to take this thread, which was about honoring our fallen colleague and lightly roasting his wife, and make it all about how _you_ are better than everyone else, because _you_ feel only-and-just the socially-prescribed emotions at the socially-prescribed times, in perfect mechanical sequence like a breech-loading gun. Fuck off! |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219507) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: clear associate glad you're back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220060) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: comical sticky area ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220180) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:38 PM Author: Aromatic Site i'm one of the people you're talking about, brother.
while reading this thread, i was thinking that there's a better-than-usual chance, given his background, given her background, that she might come across these comments on xo.
and while reading the widow's article, i asked some of the same questions raised here. but i saw her statements, well-annotated by the xo crew, as an effort to lay bare the couple's struggles and her own foibles in hopes of helping others avert the same tragedy. as awake poasters who contemplate killing areselves on a nightly basis, surely we can find a moment of grace for this woman. if there's a time to give her the benefit of the doubt, surely now is that time. if not for her, then for areselves.
you're also right to point out the danger of sanctimony for my ilk. but i don't agree that the comments ITT are light roasts of the widow. they are substantially darker and less restrained than that. and i make these points not because i am better than any of you, but because i have also been a shithead on xo, and from time to time, we can all use a reminder from are friends not to be a shithead. and we are all friends here. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:43 PM Author: comical sticky area That's fair. I do hope she does not find this thread, though I do sincerely hope the many other women in her situation pre-calamity do, and have a care -- for they might still be snapped out of their dogmatic slumbers as to the nature of the legal profession, which greatly resembles the protocol by which depression is induced in rats.
That aside, I don't think I'd have any objection to you and the others making substantially the same comments, but calling out individual people for individual comments. It's the blanket dismissal of all of us and all of our comments that grates. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:51 PM Author: Aromatic Site that's fair, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220674) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:11 AM Author: tan nofapping menage stain as to the nature of the legal profession, which greatly resembles the protocol by which depression is induced in rats.
180 |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: Diverse house sandwich 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37226123) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: Aromatic Site cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228564) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 2:26 AM Author: pontificating electric furnace regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236577) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Coiffed 180 church tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220688) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:51 PM Author: Coiffed 180 church tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220672) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:37 PM Author: Passionate Preventive Strike Wrinkle So no Sidley Walk, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219577) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: comical sticky area It would be an insult to the dignitas of CSM if they even attempted such a thing. Don't wanna start a war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219587) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: Glittery Background Story Bawdyhouse she admits in the article that biglaw did not kill her husband. so the title of the article is clickbait? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37219621) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:39 PM Author: ebony pungent boiling water gas station This is really about the need for gun control and also the pathetic, rage-filled fragility of privileged white males. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220566) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:53 PM Author: comical sticky area Not to mention Obamacare and of course Merrick Garland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220691) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222684) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 10:52 PM Author: flesh roommate mad cow disease What a downer. This guy who had parents and other family that loved him, but he ended it all along in a parking garage over stress about a chapter 11 filing for a matress retailer. Feel bad for him and his family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220680) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: green zombie-like theatre woah
mattress retailer
that's a guy's life, huh? a mattress retailer. |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:21 PM Author: useless brakes theater stage non-lawyer here -
if after he went to the emergency room he had taken a short leave for mental health care, what's the most likely consequence he would have seen at work?
and if they demoted or fired him, could he have sued?
the line about him feeling like his career would end if he followed the path of treating his symptoms gave me chills
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:24 PM Author: comical sticky area His career would be over, his wife would quite likely leave him, and no he wouldn't be able to sue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37220945) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:40 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce he would get ghosted out of the firm. its not like the day he got back theyd say "GOTCHA, YOURE FIRED", he would just see his work dry up, then his reviews would note that he's not producing and that if he doesnt shape up they will have to think of 'alternative options'. inevitably, no more work would come his way and he'd be told to leave. it's very hard to sue in a situation like that, and as a white heterosexual male, he wouldnt have any of the crutches that people like to lean on in those sorts of discrimination suits. so i think his success in going after the firm would be limited.
of course, no other firm is going to touch a 40+ guy who washed out of sidley under dubious circumstances.
so he was totally right about that |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:05 AM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Why aren’t there exit options I don’t get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221560) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:08 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce i dunno man lawyers are fucking retarded and if you dont fit into their rigid structure its hard to find your way
basically 99% of employers would ding this guy for being 'overqualified' and just too old generally even if he would likely do a fine job |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:35 AM Author: volcanic crater location False - completely dependent on how long he took off. If it was a 1 day ER visit, no problem whatsoever. Work emails get delayed all the time.
A couple of days probably fine as well as long you tell the firm you have a medical issue and there are no important deadlines that absolutely requires his involvement (a senior associate could probably competently cover for him). A week or longer than it depends on how busy the practice is and how many other people there are that can do your job. It sounds like they were short-staffed as it was, don't think they were in any rush to cut him.
Partners in their 40s get hired by mid-sized firms all the time. Lower ranked firms also like to poach service partners from top tier firms. You make it sound like his only option was to lateral to Kirkland, when there are a slew of places like DLA or Dorsey who would probably hire the dude, not to mention the hundreds of midsized firms that would be interested in hiring a biglolyer. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:37 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce i think youre overestimating this guy's market value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221615) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:38 AM Author: volcanic crater location I'm not saying he'd have a shot at the V50 (or that he'd want to). There are a lot of Amlaw 500 firms out there that make just these sorts of hires. Granted, they often pay crap (like $200 - $400K for a service partner), so it would be a significant downgrade, but then again he should have enough saved up. Also, the whole myth that midlaw is just as bad as biglaw is just a myth. The hours can be bad (but not really brutal 300+ hour months) and the people can be just as shitty or worse, but biglaw is a unique beast.
Keep in mind, the whole selling point of midlaw is "biglaw quality for midlaw prices", so naturally it is essential for midlaw to hire biglaw refugees to make this pitch. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:34 AM Author: comical sticky area Just do check yourself into a mental hospital with suicidal ideation and walk out the next day then disclose to your firm what was up without being stigmatized NBD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221803) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: volcanic crater location How did we go from ER to mental hospital? And even if you went to a mental hospital, you would not have to disclose to your firm.
Just say some crap like you had a serious inner ear infection or your vision went strange so you went to get it checked out and they made you take some bed rest. |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 7:06 AM Author: comical sticky area What do you think would happen at the ER, which would assist him yet not lead to a commitment, if he went when he was suicidally depressed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37250441) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:24 AM Author: volcanic crater location Nah - he may have gotten a few passive aggressive "you back now?" emails from his senior partners, but they wouldn't pull him from the middle of the case. And he probably would have gone the next few months or couple of years with an asterisk next to his name with something like "may be unreliable on a critical case." But I've seen people "disappear" for a few days for various medical reasons (of course they or a family member let the firm know they'd be out for a few days) and nobody fired them, just a bit of gossip and fake concern.
But they probably would have let him stay on as partner, as long as the market didn't nosedive. The fact that half his team defected indicates strong job security.
If he were to take an extended leave of absence (say longer than a week), then questions would be raised and it's probably 50/50 whether he'd be out the door at the end of the year - depends on how busy the practice is and staffing.
Even if he left, he could have easily lateralled to a midsized firm or maybe even a peer firm. It's incredibly easy for biglaw partners from decently ranked places like Sidley to lateral to lower-tiered firms as a non-equity partner. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: Sepia death wish An "extended" leave of absence is more than a week. This is exactly what I'm talking about - only in biglaw would somebody say something like this with a straight face. Crippling depression and suicidal ideation isn't something you just get over in a couple of days. In normal workplaces it's NBD to take off a week when someone sprains his ankle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222528) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: comical sticky area Right. And if he went to hospital or doc with suicidal ideation, it would take a month MINIMUM to get out. If he had my counsel, I could arrange something plausible. But he was a boyscout. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222570) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: volcanic crater location A month off or something would likely be really hard to recover from (at the firm) unless you were a serious rainmaker or senior partner.
I don't know much about psych hospitals so the month minimum is a surprise to me. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: Aromatic Site He's completely wrong. Involuntary admissions for SI, let alone voluntary, almost never last anywhere close to a month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228548) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: sound barrier 100% right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223983) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo You're going to spend eternity chained to Satan's throne. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222669) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Shimmering school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223008) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Shimmering school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223049) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:12 AM Author: Fighting property jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223100) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37224631) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address for maximum lulz you should suggest that his grindstone views are indicative of being a member of the Korean serf caste, and that he doesn't actually deserve to be surnamed Kim like a real aristocrat or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225345) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Shimmering school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225365) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228746) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230398) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: seedy misanthropic milk If he were an xo poaster he could have joined CSLG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222586) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:53 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce does CSLG hire people with no litigation experience? asking for a friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222597) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:44 AM Author: cheese-eating psychic This guy was basically a high-achieving version of TMF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37221511) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 1:51 AM Author: fuchsia what a shit show. I don't doubt that biglaw killed this guy, and I am skeptical its the result of some latent mental illness, except in the sense that he lacked certain proactive abilities to manage his life effectively (including the understanding of when to quit).
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: Iridescent Lay Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222561) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:24 AM Author: clear associate I’m a bankruptcy associate and have been to some dark places psychologically as a result of the work. I feel like I could have taken enough off this guy’s shoulders to maybe keep him from offing himself. Makes me sad. He seemed like a really good dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222433) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen What makes bankruptcy worse than other practice areas? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37222479) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Can be extremely adversarial. Creditors and debtors looking to screw each other. Lots of ethical dilemmas when a company is failing and people are desperate. More insane deadlines and expectations than other groups.
If you’re doing creditor side work and the lenders are distressed debt investors they are usually significantly smarter than you. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Buck-toothed bankruptcy folks at my firm do seem especially demented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223211) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:01 PM Author: clear associate jfc MODS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228053) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228751) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Fighting property jap I thought this poast was the beginning of a cover letter to Sidley's bankruptcy group (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223109) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Sepia death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223195) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Wow if he lasted one more week he would have seen this.
*cue hordes of biglaw psychos distinguishing a managing partner with this guys position |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:12 AM Author: Sepia death wish c&P (or at least summarize) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223098) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Global chairman for baker Mackenzie took a leave of absence for exhaustion. People came out in support of him. He’s not done here like some people above would say he’d be.
I know things would be different for a junior service partner but not everyone in biglaw is as insanely ruthless as people make them out to be.
What would have happened if the dude got into a car accident or had cancer? Would his career have been over too? People in that position should just take a break if they are literally on the brink of breaking themselves. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Hairless french chef Yes career over for cancer/accident/exhaustion (when you’re not the global chairman).
Junior service partners are fungible and global chairman is not. There are plenty of junior service partners who aren’t depressed/sick etc. That’s the distinction. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:15 AM Author: volcanic crater location Now we know that's BS. I personally worked with 2 guys (associate level) who took nearly a year off for cancer treatment, and they left voluntarily several years later. This was at a V5, so your experience may differ at Chadbourne or Reed Smith.
You only get fired or career-ended when some ailment causes a serious disruption to an ongoing matter. In case you haven't noticed, law firms are desperate for competent mid/senior level lawyers. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Right. And even getting fired isn’t even “career ending”. How many people lateral all the time? Jesus lawyers are such risk averse drama queens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230199) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: Sepia death wish the guy in OP literally SHOT HIMSELF rather than face the shame of lateraling to a lower "ranked" firm, as determined by some low-circulation magazine that nobody actually reads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230246) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk I think we can agree he wasn’t being rational. He had a lot of options in life but he couldn’t dig himself out of the pressure of the case he was working on. He may have internalized all of the stresses of the case on all sides (his client, their employees and the creditors even). Someone above was spot on when they said he was sociopathic enough to survive this job. Or perhaps he was just plain overworked and sleep deprived so he lost his marbles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37231293) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 12:02 PM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen Fuck this shit profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37223444) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Amber If you believe that... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228300) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228314) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Hairless french chef Not sure why people are beating up on the wife. There’s nothing to suggest she was riding him to continue working like this for the money.
The sad thing is that this guy strived really hard to get to where he was and just couldn’t see why it wasn’t worth it. I feel bad for him and his wife. At least no children involved. |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address yet another nutella humblebrag. thread is complete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225388) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: Buck-toothed not sure where the humblebrag is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225574) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: comical sticky area Aren't you forgetting their fur baby? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225409) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky So if you make partner in biglaw it’s actually a burden if you want to quit and get an easier job? Wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225595) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Buck-toothed it's like checking into the Hotel California (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37225605) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: garnet talking locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37226147) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37226333) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 11:26 PM Author: clear associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228235) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228754) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: old irish cottage faggot firefighter thread really hit home huh ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228755) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:22 AM Author: Silver supple son of senegal no one noticed the wife kept her name? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228759) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:18 AM Author: Electric brethren community account http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37216684 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37228971) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:52 AM Author: clear associate My girlfriend has repeatedly told me that I “need to ffind more balance in my work life” (been billing 12-14 hours daily for the last several weeks)
I told her I understand, that I’m trying the best I can and asked her if she had any ideas on how I might do that
She says no, I don’t know anything about your job
I say, “exactly”
She tells me I’m being mean
I tell her that, as a mid level with crushing student debt, the amount of shit I have to eat at work is basically fixed at “unreasonably demanding”
I tell her then that, assuming a fixed workload, her demanding “more balance” from me without offering a way to achieve that balance is no different from her saying “work faster” or “be better”
“Let’s go snowboarding in mammoth” no different from “get back in” |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Your workload isn’t fixed. Is your firm free market or do you get assigned deals? Either way you can find a way to take on less work.
What do your loans have to do with it? If paying back loans was your only goal, you can do that without killing yourself at work. You won’t get fired for Having lower hours and if you do get pushed out it won’t be for years, at which point you can rinse and repeat at another firm if you still have debt.
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: clear associate the debt means i have less leverage to walk away
yes people with mortgages also have this problem, but at the end of the day you can still sell your house
what's your practice area?
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Yeah I hear you but I think ramping down to 7-9 billables a day isn’t the same as walking away at most places. Maybe your group is different though and if that’s the case maybe you should lateral to a more humane place. But if your goal is the cop breakfast then that’s fine and you should do what you gotta do. But debt itself shouldn’t force you to a pretty miserable schedule when plenty of biglaw folks work significantly less.
I do finance |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen I'm a solo in a high volume practice and it's no better. I also work 60+ hours almost every week.
My wife tells me to just "care about work less" or "take it less personally" when clients make unreasonable demands. She means well, but I already don't care about the clients or the work. It's a matter of survival. I have to care about doing shit timely and with at least a minimal level of competency to avoid getting sued by clients or disbarred.
It's hard not to live in a perpetual state of anxiety and depression when you get a work email every two minutes on average, all while trying to do actual work. I woke up to 15 work emails this morning. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Aromatic Site can you shut off notifications and block off time to answer emails? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230253) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Sepia death wish just take less cases, it's remarkably easy.
I have the opposite problem. I can't convince myself to do any more work than necessary to pay the mortgage. After that point I'm like, who the fuck cares. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: adventurous liquid oxygen I hate every aspect of being a lawyer and I'm trying to earn as much as possible as quickly as possible so I can escape and do something else. I've just destroyed my mental health doing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230326) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: azure office pervert Right there with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37232589) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:34 AM Author: swollen orchestra pit friendly grandma Why dont you cop a gov job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236674) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 11:00 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230427) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky fewer* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37232539) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: Sepia death wish shrug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37232574) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: outnumbered cyan market Just do less work. I’ve been at a V5 for almost a decade and I average like 35 billable hours per week. I just looked it up, and the last time I billed 60 hours in a week was one week four years ago. 50 hours or more is exceedingly rare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37230419) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Yep. I’m at a v10. Billing 1900-2100 a year for 4 years now, so an average of 40 hours a week with a month of vacation each year. Some crazy nights when signing or closing but most days I say fuck it and bounce by 5-6.
What if you have a sudden fire drill on a deal but you’re already on an important call for another deal? You can’t drop the call to handle the other matter. The second matter will just have to wait until you can turn to it. Start treating aspects of your personal life as being as important as an important call for a deal. Anyone chases you? Tell them you were tied up. Literally no one has ever asked what other matter I was working on that caused the delay. They just assume you were busy with work.
If anything, doing this makes you look even busier and partners and clients start to learn they can’t just make you jump whenever they say jump. If it’s partnership you’re looking for then that isn’t a good thing, but if you prioritize self respect and work life balance, just stand up for yourself more. |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle ticket booth main people What’s your end game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37231242) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den ??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37231257) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Keep resisting income creep, pay down debt and move to in house or business side job w predictable hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37231260) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Bossy arrogant dopamine indian lodge 5th year in V10 still with debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37231296) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: seedy misanthropic milk Yeah I’m an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37232537) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37232582) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 10:29 PM Author: Concupiscible pocket flask lettuce this is insanely credited advice. i do the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37235432) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 12:20 AM Author: sound barrier Wife and I have a rule: I never discuss work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236130) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: clear associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236141) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 12:05 AM Author: sound barrier I’ve gone something along the lines of 240, 310, 260 the last three months and it’s like something in my head broke during that 310 month. Was on a trip with buddies and they were like “man you just don’t look happy” as I checked my phone for the 80th time when they just turned theirs off.
When the job isn’t bad, I like it a lot. But those few months coupled with a tough superior and a tough client or two make it into something downright terrible and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
Human beings were not meant to behave in this way. Law used to be a noble profession now it’s just an assembly line of emails emptying into a trough as we slop it up with the other out of shape piggies.
People in this thread are bashing the shrew wife. So odd to me. Clearly there were several horrid things at play in this bros life. But they key takeaway is the mercenary nature of this shit - even moreso at a firm like Sidley that actually tries to sell law students and laterals on being more collegial than others (ljl). Can’t make this shit the center of the universe or you will crack. I don’t have any answers to any of this. I just know where the blame lies and it isn’t with the wife. |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: clear associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236143) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:37 AM Author: swollen orchestra pit friendly grandma Nobody is making you stay in biglaw
Heck, even working at a fund is better. |
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Date: November 26th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Abusive mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37304382) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:19 AM Author: Honey-headed exciting institution marketing idea I really need to kill myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37236730) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: racy haunting boltzmann Think of the xo thread that would produce?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37238022) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Buck-toothed I've been meaning to get around to it, but who has the time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37238281) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: bat shit crazy sneaky criminal I actually don't think its the hours that make law so bad but the toxic perfectionist culture and surrounding expectations. In other areas of work, people make mistakes at least 20% of the time if not more. Law is an area where 99.9% excellence and .1% failure is unacceptable. This naturally leads to a lot of mental illness. I've realized through time that not being hard on myself for mistakes is the most important way to stay sane. People become extremely mentally ill when they chase perfection, which is why biglaw sees the most of these suicide stories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37238373) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Bipolar Indirect Expression This is a bit of a generalization, but this is one of the things that makes women really unhappy in Biglaw practice. The feedback from many partners is almost uniformly negative. I.e., one never gets any feedback at all unless it's something that you fucked up or needs fixing or to add something you didn't see or know.
That's one of the reasons I go out of my way to constantly give positive feedback to associates. I really like them to know what they are doing well in addition to things they can improve. |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: comical sticky area I think it's terrific you go out of your way to give positive feedback. More people should do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37239380) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Sepia death wish 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240205) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Buck-toothed great job! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240244) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Sepia death wish cr fumblerooski called me "numbnuts" a couple days ago and I've been brooding ever since (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240251) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: Buck-toothed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240282) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 6:41 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den ??? I have received 99% positive feedback over the years and almost no criticism. I thought that was standard in biglaw TBH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240921) |
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Date: November 19th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: Federal nibblets this is standard in biglaw. generic positive feedback just means that you didn't do a shit job. when you don't get any feedback at all, they want you to feel ashamed that you didn't get positive feedback and then quit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37261580) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: dark bat-shit-crazy party of the first part This. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37239357) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Galvanic at-the-ready den I make mistakes all the time and don’t GAF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37240913) |
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Date: November 19th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: fiercely-loyal cobalt gaping address this is also true of xo posting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37263117) |
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Date: November 17th, 2018 5:44 AM Author: Rough-skinned Mediation Best part of these 1000 post threads is someone always gets raped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37250364) |
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Date: November 26th, 2018 10:31 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Walnut Masturbator MY tragedy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#37306172) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:26 PM Author: gold https://www.ft.com/content/1e8293f4-a1db-11e9-974c-ad1c6ab5efd1
FT with a rather brutal takedown. LJL at his group heads not even writing his widow a note!
Sorry would c/p but on my phone. |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:46 PM Author: Electric brethren community account “When you call in with something like cancer or stress, in a discreet and professional way the firm will respond,”
Right. 😉 |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:48 PM Author: gold For sure! Oh his group heads couldn’t be bothered for this article, Sidley just happened to have a really sympathetic other partner to respond to this story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516005) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:48 PM Author: Dude should have just quit. Lol at your entire self worth being whether you billed 3k hours or not. What a fucking loser. Walk away dumbass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516006) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:53 PM Author: fuchsia same group for the guy who walked across the country FYI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516033) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:57 PM Author: Electric brethren community account "Dude should have just quit."
Maybe. But then what? He'd be DONE HERE.
"Early 40s non-equity service partner with no book here. I can has job?" |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 5:26 PM Author: racy haunting boltzmann Oh No! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516699) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:17 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky He knows his wife would leave him if the money spigot was ever turned off, even temporarily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516147) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:19 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516158) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: Silver supple son of senegal Despite these efforts, Litt is still angry. In the months since, she feels Sidley Austin’s response has been minimal. “The two managing partners of the bankruptcy division did not call me, email me, send me a letter,” she says. “I still haven’t heard from either partner. I also didn’t hear from the slightly senior partner who Gabe was working Mattress Firm with. None of them.”
Sidley Austin stands by its actions as appropriate. “Simply put, I’m exceptionally proud of the way the firm handled the announcement and communication of his death without stigma, without embarrassment, without hiding it,” says Clivner. “They don’t teach you this in law school and for myself personally, and for the firm, we did it right.”
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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:23 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky " There was a history of mental illness in his maternal family line, though she had never seen signs of it in him before." Thanks. |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:18 PM Author: transparent dingle berry JFC
Dan Clivner, managing partner of Sidley Austin’s Los Angeles . . . says MacConaill did not go to any of his senior partners about his mental health or workload, and that for Sidley to be able to provide support, an employee would need to be willing to ask for help. To illustrate his point, Clivner references his own personal struggle at the time: his husband had terminal cancer, and the firm was supportive of his needs.
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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:39 PM Author: Blue I’m not in biglaw but litigate against them. Saddest thing I ever saw was a senior associate billing hours while in hospice with terminal cancer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516533) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:54 PM Author: Magical cerebral garrison becky Seems like flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516591) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:56 PM Author: CR, this cannot be true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516598) |
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Date: July 11th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: racy haunting boltzmann Youth culture killed my dog! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#38516712) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:29 PM Author: gold https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2019/12/11/joanna-litt-reminds-legal-industry-we-can-do-better-as-individuals/
Dudes widow is lawyer of the year... |
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Date: December 14th, 2019 4:08 PM Author: vibrant tanning salon rigor we can do better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4130893&forum_id=2#39265582) |