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/* Official 2019 Baseball HOF Voting Thread /*
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Date: November 15th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!11134&ithint=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!ACeqm-knNxexBw8
Closest Returning Players from 2018:
Edgar Martinez - 70.4% Mike Mussina - 63.5% Roger Clemens - 57.3% Barry Bonds - 56.4% Curt Schilling - 51.2% Omar Vizquel - 37.0%
Top Newcomers:
Roy Halladay Mariano Rivera Andy Pettite Todd Helton Roy Oswalt Lance Berkman
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Rivera obviously.
I think it’s Edgar’s last year, so would think he makes it.
Halladay’s death probably bodes well for his chances; might also give Mussina a boost, since it’s hard to say that Halladay was a much better pitcher (although Doc had a more memorable peak).
Wonder how many people will care/remember Pettitte did HGH. |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I think Rivera, Edgar and Halladay make it.
I think Mussina *just* misses, but gets 70%+. IMO Glavine, Halladay, Mussina, Smoltz and Schilling are all equivalent pitchers over a career.
I think Clemens, Bonds and Schilling all move up in % a bit.
Pettitte will do well, but won't get in ever |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad What do you think about the Veterns ballot? I hate having players and non-players on the same ballot.
I think Lee Smith gets in. Maybe Steinbrenner/Piniella depending on who’s in the committee (doesn’t look like it was announced yet).
Bizarre to have Hershiser on this list but no Cone/Saberhagen/Brown.
Harold Baines Albert Belle Joe Carter Will Clark Orel Hershiser Davey Johnson Charlie Manuel Lou Piniella Lee Smith George Steinbrenner |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i don't think any player on that ballot should get in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239808) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: vermilion church :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239814) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation would you have been voted in by the writers with no change to your stats except for 134 more hits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239831) |
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Date: December 9th, 2018 10:42 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad βΎοΈ π ππ» (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37380314) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37381955) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382114) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: hairless foreskin If Belle wasn't a total asshole to ((reporters)) maybe he'd have a shot, but nope.
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Date: December 9th, 2018 10:33 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Smith and Baines make it; Pineilla misses by one vote. Baines got 12/16, which was the minimum needed (Smith was unanimous).
Great committee make up for Baines. Asshole Reinsdorf now fucking up the hall of fame as well. I guess maybe be feels bad for forcing the strike in 94 which ended up costing Baines a shot at 3,000 hits?
The Hall board-appointed panel included longtime White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, and Baines said he was grateful for his support. Hall members Greg Maddux, Roberto Alomar, Joe Morgan, Bert Blyleven, Pat Gillick, Tony La Russa, John Schuerholz, Ozzie Smith and Joe Torre also were on the panel. |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 7:18 PM Author: Beady-eyed base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37515308) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: hairless foreskin I think the following SHOULD get in:
Edgar Clemens Bonds Schilling Halladay Rivera
Maybe: Todd Helton - he and Larry Walker were criominally underrated BECAUSE of Coors - his peak is on par w/ the avg 1st basemen in the hall.
Mussina - peak was not THAT good - but a long career of being excellent. I personally wouldn't (would rather have someone who absolutely dominated for a few years over longevity) but I can see an argument for him
LOL NOPE: Omar Vizquel - longevity, and good defense at SS but ultimately he's the hall of very good Roy Oswalt - Nope Andy PEttitte - LOL please. If he weren't a Yankee no one would care
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation RIDICULOUS Mussina bashing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239925) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: hairless foreskin lol at this AL East Bias
them iron chains of <><>NOCYYOUNG<><> |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Mussina probably wins the 2001 Cy Young with modern voters. Crazy he only got two total votes that year, but obviously people were very wins focused at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239976) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: hairless foreskin True and his '99 (I think) was really good too
Still, he feels like a 50/50 guy to me. Maybe a Veteran's committee guy
Also I have an anti-AL EAST bias |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation cr.
also, i don't like determining a guy's HOF candidacy based on not winning a major award. for one, selections aren't perfect, especially with hindsight.
but second, it harms guys for having their best years behind outliers. imagine having your two best pitching years during pedro's 99-00? how does that make one less worthy of a HOF vote? |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: hairless foreskin Fine I concede on that one point, but Mussina never had more than 2 seasons of absolute dominance.
He was a constant frontline starter, but never the best 5 pitcher on earth.
I want the starters that make it to the HOF to be in that conversation.
Like I value shorter but sustained dominance over a long, above avg career. I'd even put Scherzer ahead of Mussina
Verlander will be fucked b/c he got 2nd place in CYA when he should've at least won in 2016 but he also had a longer sustained conversation as the best 5 pitcher in the world status |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Green Demanding Therapy Depressive Scherzer will be the GOAT when he gets in, LJL if u think u are insulting Mussina by saying that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382140) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:02 AM Author: hairless foreskin Scherzer will be a great addition to the hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382251) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie glavine is in fucking smoltz and jack morris are in can't keep moose out at that pt |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation yeah wow compare his career WAR chock full of AL East bias to Glavine, Schilling, Halladay and Smoltz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37239988) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: hairless foreskin Schilling & Halladay had longer peaks.
Mussina had 2 extraordinary years. THat's it.
I don't like the fact that Smoltz is in tbh - he only got in b/c he had a good stint as a reliever as well
Glavine got lucky b/c he played w/ Maddux. Otherwise I'd categorize him w/ Mussina. Does not belong.
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Green Demanding Therapy Depressive Mussina wrecked shit with the Os year after year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382149) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman Look at johnny loosehall here. Shit should be exclusive as fuck, fuck reddit people trying to vote in 10 at a time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244066) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad The baseball writers and the veterans committee have made a mess of the hall. I get your sentiment, but it’s dumb to argue about making the hall exclusive when they just wave in people like Hoffman and Jack Morris.
I also got the impression that the biggest supporters of the small hall were guys who played from the 40s-70s and didn’t earn a ton of money (and thus could cash in on their HOF status). |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:04 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman hey man im with you jack morris and trevor hoffman are no HOFers. not gonna lower my standards to their level just cuz they were, mistakenly in my opinion, let in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244239) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation but guys like Schilling and Halladay and Mussina and Rivera are WAY better than Morris and Hoffman, and their stats and accomplishments prove that.
so by putting them in you're not lowering standards to their level. those guys all compare favorably with the bulk of the Hall.
fwiw i was VERY VERY anti-Hoffman, and I'm actually shocked he got in. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman my position is that mistakes have been made in the past, that doesnt mean we should anchor ourselves to them. going forward, we should have a HOF which really only reflects the true legends of the game. By that standard, yeah Halladay was better than Hoffman by miles, but he was no Griffey, no Pedro, no generational talent. I leave him out. Sucks for him but oh well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244285) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: hairless foreskin Halladay for a few years had the title of "Best starter in the league" - that alone makes him better than Mussina & Smoltz and MILES over Hoffman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244297) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman so did johan santana but we arent about to send him to the hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244314) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: hairless foreskin Yeah But Halladay kept his peak longer & was a great great player for longer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244318) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman solid player. no hall for me. sry bout the airplane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244333) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: hairless foreskin Halladay > Glavine/Mussina/Smoltz/Hoffman/Bert Blyleven (LOL)/Dennis Eckersley/Bruce Sutter (WTF) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244365) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman keep talking shit about the Eck motherfucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244374) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: hairless foreskin "HIGH FLY BALL INTO RIGHT FIELD, SHE IS GONE!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nwMDZYXTI&t=503s |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman lol knew youd come back with that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244406) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: hairless foreskin It's the GOAT broadcaster call
Notice how he shuts up for over a minute and lets the crowd speak, then he adds in his most famous line
"In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened!"
XO SCULLY.
My favorite was when he trashed Venezuela & Hugo Chavez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg5ugD_vgx4
Or when he mentioned that a player was "day-to-day" and added, "aren't we all" |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: hairless foreskin If Tom Glavine fucking to 91.9 Pct of votes Halladay should be in.
I'm very anti Glavine actually - he deserves the hall but w/ like Vet's committee if it weren't for Maddux
I would rather see like 7 years of dominance over 16 years of above avg to great production in the hall |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman just be thankful steve avery didnt get voted in. tbs influenced all of us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244361) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: hairless foreskin I also think Nolan Ryan should scratch more heads
A lot of Ks, but a fuckton of walks made him some years just mediocre to just average
never won a Cy Young
was just above avg for long stretches |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i think nolan ryan should be in, but he is nowhere close to being the generational type player that he's portrayed to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244394) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Beady-eyed base Yeah, he had some bad years and deficiencies in his game, but he had a lot of pretty legendary FEATS though like most no-hitters of all time (7) and was a true ALPHA who scared the shit out of everyone
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: Cowardly Abode What are you guys smoking? Ryan's numbers are excellent. He's automatic HOFer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37589799) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i just think people should be consistent.
to me, glavine, smoltz, halladay, mussina and schilling are all equivalent players. i don't see how one can vote for some but not all.
i'd actually rather someone say that NONE belong as opposed to picking and choosing among them. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: hairless foreskin Halladay>=Schilling>>>Glavine>Mussina>>>>>>>Smoltz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244396) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i agree i'd have smoltz last of the group barely, but to me all are in. they each have pros and cons but are all part of that top tier just below the first ballot-level pitchers (clemens, unit, pedro, maddux) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244430) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i'd argue that being a top-tier player for a very long stretch is just as elite and hard as being the very best for a few years.
in fact, in some respects, the former is preferable if you're playing GM because you can build a team around consistent excellency. high peaks with big drops leads to overpaying and bad contracts and can wreck teams. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation lol but David Ortiz was a generational talent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244301) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman im not going to be able to have an objective conversation on ortiz. the man came through in so many important moments for the sox. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244306) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: hairless foreskin lol he shouldn't make the hall objectively cmon
it's the East Coast bias again |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman do you really think he's not going to make it? he's obviously going to make it in regardless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244339) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation perhaps, but that's not the question.
the question is how can you support ortiz yet say you are for a small hall of generational players? you really think ortiz is a better, more valuable player than curt schilling? |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman absolutely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244379) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:23 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation you are 100% done here if you think that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244390) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman not really, ive never been big on schilling, think he's particularly overrated. also i legit think you cant discount papi's clutch factor. he had some huge years and undoubtedly came through in the biggest moments, thats enough for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244404) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation >> also i legit think you cant discount papi's clutch factor. he had some huge years and undoubtedly came through in the biggest moments, thats enough for me <<
fine. i'm not saying you CAN'T argue for Papi, just that you can't argue for him while simultaneously preaching small hall.
arguments like the one above used over time and applied to all different types of players is exactly how you get a big hall. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman youre not wrong, but as a sox fan youll never convince me to leave papi out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244490) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: hairless foreskin https://gfycat.com/ComplexObedientArgusfish
Slighlty different topic but yeah |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman i give less than zero shits about PEDs tbf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244418) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:31 AM Author: hairless foreskin Same.
I want it back actually i want to see more roided out fucks throwing 102 mph and hitting 70 homers |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Beady-eyed base I don't think Ortiz makes it in. Lots of comparable/better 1B aren't in the hall (Will Clark, John Olerud, Fred McGriff).
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_1B.shtml |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation he has 549 HRs and the media behind him. he'll make it in (even though i think he shouldn't) unless he's held out bc of PEDs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244701) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Beady-eyed base Did he have a PED issue? I don't remember now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244717) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation yes. i think literally every dominican player did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244726) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican very racist post, please stop noticing this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271151) |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Beady-eyed base I think this will be the year Clemens gets in (!) He will get in and Bonds won't and people will go nuts over racism and then they'll vote in Bonds next year.
Rivera will get in for sure. I don't think Edgar should get in but he probably will. Mussina will probably get in too (and should get in). Schilling should be in but will be dinged for being a right-winger (and a general asshole) Walker also should go in but will be dinged too.
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: hairless foreskin Bonds SHOULD be in cmon.
Idgaf if he did steroids
so did everyone
His 2004 was nuts - 120 intentional walks ljl over .600 OBP and like 1.400+ OPS. |
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Beady-eyed base Totally agree.
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Date: November 15th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: hairless foreskin Imagine if Bonds didn't play his 2001 season in AT&T Park but instead at Coors.
He might've hit 90 home runs |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 7:59 AM Author: Violet Medicated Cuckold Berkman is my favorite player listed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37243737) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 8:17 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman Bonds
Clemens
Helton
is my ballot |
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Date: December 9th, 2018 10:39 PM Author: galvanic bistre mental disorder gas station any ballot w/o shilling is 100% flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37380286) |
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Date: December 9th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman eh, he probably deserves to be in, but what a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37380337) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 8:18 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman also absolutely fucking not to edgar martinez (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37243770) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:31 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation he will get in. has anyone been over 70% and not gotten in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244050) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman I'm sure he'll get in, he just doesn't pass my smell test. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244057) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:35 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation he has a very similar ba/obp/slg to helton, but higher OPS+ and career WAR and WAA.
biggest argument against edgar is the DH thing. i'd keep him out if it helps keep out that fat retard big papi |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:38 AM Author: canary motley associate patrolman There is zero percent chance ortiz doesn't get in and you know it
Advanced stats are fine but they aren't everything. Edgar at bat never made be fearful and to get in as a dh i think you need that intangible feeling |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation ah and here is the old Boston bias (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244090) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Recycling the Jim Rice fear argument isn’t helping.
Also “fear” is a dumb argument for Edgar, since his best skill was OBP (lifetime .418); Ortiz only beat that mark in a single season once.
That being said, no issues with them both being in. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i have no problem with the argument that both should be in.
the argument that edgar shouldn't be in while ortiz is a no-brainer is nonsensical.
agreed on the OBP. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican lol you're a complete fucking retard if you think Edgar should be out. Dude is a no-brainer HOFer.
to rehash an xo poast from last year: Career fWAR: Edgar - 65.5, Ortiz - 46.1 Career bWAR: Edgar - 68.3, Ortiz - 50.4
Career wRC+: Edgar - 147, Ortiz - 138
Career OPS+: Edgar - 147, Ortiz - 141
% of games at DH: Edgar - 70.3, Ortiz - 87.2
Times reaching base: Edgar - 3,979, Ortiz - 4038
Career PA: Edgar - 8674, Ortiz - 10091
Career OBP: Edgar - .418, Ortiz - .378
Years with .400+ OPB: Edgar - 11, Ortiz - 3
Years with .450+ OBP: Edgar - 3, Ortiz - 0
Batting titles: Edgar - 2, Ortiz - 0
7 yr Peak WAR: Edgar - 43.6, Ortiz - 35
PED taint: Edgar - 0, Ortiz - LJL |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Ortiz has a lot more HRs and higher career SLG, and that's about it.
To me it is ridiculous to vote FOR Ortiz and AGAINST Edgar. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: hairless foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244675) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Beady-eyed base Neither one should be in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244706) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican Show your work
That wRC+ number alone should be insta-HOF |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: passionate piazza Schilling won't get in, I don't think, and that is a shame. He won in Philly, Arizona and Boston. I don't know how he shapes up analytically but he was an iconic pitcher during the era. I like him as a player better than Mussina-- too bad he has the rep of being an asshole and I am sure that BBWA are not fond of his politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244695) |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Schilling should 100% be in.
I am a Mussina fan and think he's underrated, but no way should Mussina get in and not Schilling. |
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Date: November 16th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: curious rusted meetinghouse sound barrier how the fuk didnt edgar martinez not make it already? he was one of best hitters of his gen.. didnt get to 3k hits but 18 years with .312 average overall.. lol , fuk baseballKKK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37244753) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37270916) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Early returns suggest a Halladay, Kent, McGriff, Rivera, Vizquel class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37270938) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: hairless foreskin JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37270947) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad There have been two balllots revealed so far, but still LJL. Mussina isn’t on either of them, but Pettitte is on one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37270970) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: hairless foreskin Should only be Rivera & Halladay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37270976) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation LJL at anyone voting for Vizquel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271009) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: hairless foreskin Gen Xers and shitboomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271013) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation his WAR is just over half of Mussina/Schilling
His WAA is 5.3 which is horrific for a HOF candidate |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: hairless foreskin Beltre retired. DOes he make the hall 1st ballot?
(I think he should be a HoFer tbh, something we would NOT have imagined back in 2009) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: sienna filthpig newt His WAR stats are crazy. And yet, no MVPs and 4 all-star games in like 20 years.
Was Beltre someone that people were excited to see play? |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie his seattle tenure at a critical time in his career really fucked his star power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382244) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation 100% should be first ballot
WAA of 54.8 is unbelievably good
The only thing that makes me hesitate is his numbers in his 30s and the fact that he's Dominican. That screams PEDs to me. If clean, he's a no-brainer |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad I think he gets in first ballot because of the 3,000 hits plus the voters better appreciate defense/advanced stats. The HOF has been historically biased against 3B though - I guess people compare them offensively to 1B without considering how much harder it is to play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271055) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Stats-wise he is an absolute lock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271230) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: learning disabled market fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382303) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: hairless foreskin I honestly dgaf about steroids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271117) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (not a BBWAA voter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37271233) |
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Date: November 20th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad I think so. Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, Sosa and most of the other controversial players will all be gone by then. I guess A-Rod will start clogging the ballot, but it doesn’t look there are a ton of auto Hall of famers coming onto the ballot soon anyway.
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Date: November 20th, 2018 7:20 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman First ballot -- I doubt it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37273068) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:39 AM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie will definitely go in 1st ballot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382112) |
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Date: November 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37276626) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation With 30 votes in so far Mussina is a net +5 from last year. He is going to be really close, though I think he will just miss and will get in next year.
Schilling gaining, and Halladay doing very well in his first year on the ballot. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: hairless foreskin lol Baines got in I revise my stance let everyone in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37381970) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation meh, veterans committee isn't the same honor as BBWAA -- it's like the difference between a lifetime achievement academy award and one in a competitive category. no one considers them equivalent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37381997) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie its still a joke that even they put him in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382123) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: hairless foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382127) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation i agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382704) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: vermilion church https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0901/mlb.hall.of.fame.ballot.holdovers/images/harold-baines.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382122) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Green Demanding Therapy Depressive Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382155) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: vermilion church not flame I have considered buying that throwback jersey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37382158) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Approximately 10% of ballots cast already: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!11134&ithint=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!ACeqm-knNxexBw8
Rivera, Edgar and Halladay seem like they are getting in
Mussina is going to be very close. seems like he will be over 70% at this point, but who knows.
Schilling needs to be well over 75% on revealed ballots to have a shot, and he's not there yet. Same with Clemens and Bonds. |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie ljl at the incredible faggots voting for clemens but not bonds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37407411) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: hairless foreskin CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37407488) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: passionate piazza Edgar basically hasto get in after they let in Baines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37407428) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation https://offerdocs.com/breaking-news-failure-by-committee-the-case-against-harold-baines-hall-of-famer-the-ringer/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37407486) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Boomer adds Rivera to ballot but drops Mussina, Edgar and Schilling.
Keeps Bonds and Clemens on tho...
https://twitter.com/notmrtibbs/status/1073566516275113984?s=21 |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation weird that now of all times he'd drop the 3, especially edgar and moose. you'd think he'd want them off the ballot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37421052) |
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Date: December 20th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!11134&ithint=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!ACeqm-knNxexBw8
almost 18% of ballots in. Rivera a lock. Halladay and Edgar looking likely. Mussina still holding up really well at 82.2% |
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Date: December 21st, 2018 3:08 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!11134&ithint=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!ACeqm-knNxexBw8
20% of ballots in and Mussina up to 84%
Looking good. He could do it this year |
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Date: December 21st, 2018 3:12 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman any idiot voting for clemens but not for bonds should be stripped of his vote
actually anyone not voting for either should be stripped too, but there is literally no argument for one over the other |
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Date: December 21st, 2018 3:13 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation literally one person voted for one and note the other. settle down, Barry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37448352) |
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Date: December 21st, 2018 3:14 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman the point remains (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37448360) |
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Date: December 21st, 2018 3:17 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation that particular voter also voted for Roy Oswalt but not Mike Mussina (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37448380) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 1:44 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Mussina back down to 81.7. Looks like it will be very close.
Larry Walker at 65 percent - only got 35 percent last year. |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:00 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Good bump.
Mussina will be very close. He will definitely need to be above 80% prior to the non-public ballots being announced. If he's below 80% he has no shot, but if he doesn't get in this year he will surely get in the following year. |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:13 PM Author: Beady-eyed base Larry Walker definitely deserves it - only reason he's not already in is that he's hurt by playing for two joke teams (Expos and Rockies) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37513958) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:17 PM Author: curious rusted meetinghouse sound barrier He's a birdshit fraud, before going to COL he NEVER had hit more than 23 homers then he proceeded to do 36, 18 (injury year, in 83 games), 49, 23, 37, injured, 38, and 26
LJL at that fraud, he was in the mile high air.. i remember that bitch and since he was left handed he had a shorter right field porch
fuk fraud cumskins like this asshole, he also looks like a pedo and probably voted for trump and he didnt even clear 400h for his career |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:24 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation but his stats that take park effects into account -- OPS+ and WAR -- are both very good. In particular, his WAA is excellent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514042) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:26 PM Author: curious rusted meetinghouse sound barrier its all fraud and lies cause u see so much of hitting is confidence, when someone birdshit plays at coors field it doesnt just help his home stats but also his fuking road stats.. the whole thing is fuking fraud.. and not just walker but look at andres gallaraghanigga or dante buchetenigga (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514061) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:29 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie ran here. his park adjusted production is still better than 1/2 of HOF RFers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514085) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:19 PM Author: erotic 180 police squad Who will stop the Edgar Martinez juggernaut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37513999) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:25 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation he's a done deal. cynically i think a lot of writers came to his side to justify putting in Big Sloppy down the road (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514050) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:40 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie did he ever get to the bottom of who was dosing his steak with steroids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514152) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:28 PM Author: curious rusted meetinghouse sound barrier he was the greatest pure hitter of his era, how the fuk wld he NOT get in, .312 career batting avg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514070) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 7:28 PM Author: white azn national DH pwned
Also, he looks like he's half a BIRDSHIT. |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:30 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie only a pack of wild NL fags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514091) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:41 PM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican His 147 wRC+ should have been enough for the first ballot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514158) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 4:07 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad BBWAA starting letting in internet writers in 2007, so people like Keith Law and clutchable Christina Kahrl have votes this year for the first time. Prob a good sign for a bigger hall, but I imagine the impact will take a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37514320) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2019 11:40 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Mussina now back up to 82.4%
Approx 36% of ballots are known. Moose needs 70.8% of the remaining ballots for induction.
Mo, Halladay and Edgar all looking good. |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 2:46 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Tracker is updated now at 38.3% of likely ballots
a couple thoughts
1. The Crime Dog is getting a big boost in his final year. It won't be near enough to get elected, but he's getting some love for a good career. Query what % he'd have with 7 more HRs and thus a member of the 500 HR club. I'd have to think it wouldn't matter, but who knows.
2. Larry Walker has also received a huge bump in his 9th year. He's currently at 66.5%. It might be an interesting vote next year if Walker ends this year above 50%, though I think he still falls short.
3. Mussina holding nicely at 82.9%. If he's going to have a chance for induction, I think he can't need more than 60% on the non-public ballots at the end. Given that ~75% are usually revealed, he needs to be at 80% or above on the released ballots. If he's there, I think it's a coinflip.
4. Anyone voting FOR Mussina and not for Schilling is doing so purely because of politics, and that's repellent.
5. Omar Vizquel is at 36.1% currently in his 2nd year on the ballot and was the only player to get a very significant bump last year from the non-public ballots. Omar Vizquel should not SNIFF he Hall of Fame. He was a good defensive shortstop, but he was not otherwise a very valuable player. His career WAR at 45.6 is low, and his career WAA at 5.3 is abysmal. He has good counting stats, but those were helped by playing poorly in old age. His last 6 seasons had an aggregate WAR of 0.6, and without those he doesn't even have 2500 hits. |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:02 PM Author: sienna filthpig newt Roy Halladay getting a tragic death boost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546206) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:09 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I agree although I think he should be in so I have no issue with his voting %, and that % will be lower at the end anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546284) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:07 PM Author: Supple magical heaven cuck it's unbelievable how many idiots think omar vizquel is better than ozzie smith (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546256) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:08 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Omar Vizquel should never come close to election.
Frankly, I'm still salty that Trevor Hoffman got elected, and easily at that. I mean, Hoffman over Schilling and Moose? |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:09 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie vizquel >>>>>>>>>>> deserving than hoffag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546283) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:11 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Hoffman's election is a huge black mark on the Hall imo. I simply cannot believe >75% of writers felt he was deserving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546298) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:14 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie that's the thing, if that faggot is in then a superb everyday player like vizquel can't be denied IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37546318) |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:16 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation eh, i don't think we should evaluate hall candidates on some of the worst inductees.
one mistake should not serve as precedent for infinite mistakes |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 5:23 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie vizquel is an actual alltime great ss he can hardly be denied this honor while failed starters, which all rp's are, receive it |
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Date: January 7th, 2019 4:59 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation This bro is doing God's work
https://twitter.com/Mussina_HOF |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:50 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation 2 predictions out for HOF voting:
https://twitter.com/Rosscarey/status/1082303418977435648
https://twitter.com/Porlos411/status/1081918427386785792 |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 12:58 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation The "Crime Dog" Fred McGriff has been eliminated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37559391) |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 1:02 PM Author: buck-toothed double fault If they are forgiving steroid use, manny Ramirez should be higher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37559405) |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 1:02 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Seems like a lot of voters are forgiving it only if a PED player was so good that he would have been inducted anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37559406) |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 1:06 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Manny also failed a test/kept using after enforcement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37559434) |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37559450) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 4:47 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation With around 40% of the ballot known, predictions are 3 inductees plus Mussina at 81% chance
https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1083252350159126528 |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 4:50 PM Author: Beady-eyed base Why does this guy predict 0% chance for Clemens/Bonds when the spreadsheet shows them getting close to 75% of the known votes? Doesn't that give them at least a nonzero chance?
I guess it's because the subset of people who choose to publish their ballots also voted for Clemens/Bonds at the same rate last year so it's not showing a positive change for Clemens/Bonds? |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 4:51 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation because of their historical percentages on unknown votes.
It's like asking why decision desks can predict a Dem winner when a Republican has a 5 point lead with 35% of precincts reporting. |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 4:51 PM Author: Beady-eyed base Got it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37568097) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:00 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation DBG MAF
https://twitter.com/JSmerbeck/status/1084853865541980161 |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37589796) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Mussina slipping downward ever so slightly now at ~81.4%
Gonna be razor thin, but I think he ends up around 73.5%
Only 8 days left to go! |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:30 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Thanks to the Veterans committe vote, there’s already 5 people going in this year - wonder if some voters want to hold off on Mussina til next year, when only Jeter is a lock. It will also be Larry Walkers last year on the ballot - interesting to see where he ends up this year.
Veterans committe will go back to the modern game era, which elected Trammel and Jack Morris last time. Wonder if they will try to forcememe Dale Murphy into the hall? I think Lou Whitaker would be deserving, but they didn’t even put him on the ballot last time! |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Yeah, I feel you. I think Mussina def gets in next year at worst. You also have Schilling, Bonds and Clemens who are getting closer to election.
Walker although he is high right now, will drop back and be in the 50s for the final vote. I don't think he will have enough support to get in next year, even though I think he's deserving. He's a guy who would benefit from 15 years on the ballot.
Lou Whitaker is one of those guys who was a very valuable player, but just has so little black ink and barely got any support for major awards. Dale Murphy is the opposite -- lots of hardware, but advanced stats are very down on him. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:51 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie (guy who just self outted) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590048) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:53 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation MODS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590062) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:54 PM Author: hairless foreskin Bonds and Clemens should be in. Fuck it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590071) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:56 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation So should Schilling. The only reason he won't be in this year is because of his politics, which is disgusting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590091) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:59 PM Author: hairless foreskin yeah and if they're consistent about it Chipper shouldn't have gotten in with his Sandy Hook Truther schtick.
They all should be in it's retarded |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 2:04 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I think on the field transgressions are different.
You might disagree, but PED use is germane to the HOF decision, while one's politics are not. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 2:12 PM Author: hairless foreskin Fair, I'm all for PED's though so...
for one, there are probably multiple juicers in the hall already.
For another, the league WANTED this to go on and encouraged it.
ANd lastly, as a consumer I want the most roided out league to see the best talent ont he field. I don't give a fuck. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 2:14 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie basically if you weren't juicing you were a selfish faggot hurting your own team but oh let's kiss their asses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590221) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: hairless foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590243) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation That's fine, but I think it's just as fair for some subset of voters -- who had nothing to do with what the league wanted -- to think using PEDs precludes admission to the HOF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37590244) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 4:27 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Nice fangraphs post on Mussina's chances:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/getting-mike-mussina-to-75-percent/ |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 11:37 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation With 180 ballots revealed/~43.7% of the vote known:
Rivera - 100% Halladay - 93.9% Edgar - 90.6% Mussina - 81.7%
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Schilling - 74.4% Clemens - 73.3% Bonds - 72.8% Walker - 66.7% Vizquel - 36.7% McGriff - 36.1% Manny - 26.7% Rolen - 20.6% Helton - 19.4% |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 11:48 AM Author: hairless foreskin Schilling, Clemens, Bonds and Larry Walker deserve to be in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37602178) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 11:48 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation The only reason Schilling isn't at 85% right now is because of politics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37602185) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 12:01 PM Author: hairless foreskin yeah we all know this and talked about this ad nauseam lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37602257) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman VOTE MANNY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37602336) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 12:42 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Will be interesting next year with Walker - bwar actually has him a half win more valuable than Jeets (fwar has Jeter by 4 wins or so).
I feel like this is either an argument in favor of Walker or against WAR (although obviously Jeter like Rivera has the playoffs in his favor too). |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 1:44 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation depends on how Walker finishes this year.
If he's low on the private ballots and drops down to 50% he has no shot
if he's at 60+%, he has a chance though still an uphill climb |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 3:48 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie man, a mfing reliever better not be the first unanimous inductee. fuck that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603713) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 3:49 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I love Mo, but yeah I kinda agree with the sentiment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603720) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 3:59 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Mets fan, but Mo had 0.70 ERA in 141 post season innings. 8-1 with 42 saves. That’s a big part of his case.
Of course Schilling was11-2, with 2.23 ERA in 133.1 innings. |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 4:04 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Both are slam dunk HOFers, but neither is a unanimous type of guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603809) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: Translucent vivacious selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603821) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Ah agree. For some reason thought WW was talking about first ballot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603861) |
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Date: January 16th, 2019 4:18 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Only 6 days left until the announcement, which will take place the evening of January 22 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37603913) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 11:55 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation here's Mussina's status in the 5 major HOF prediction systems:
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1085921753124294656 |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 6:05 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency which of these is to be believed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37610580) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 6:11 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation dunno, but the predicted numbers are all hovering from 73-76%
baseballot: 73%
Ross Carey: 73.5%
Scott Lindholm: 75.9%
Sarsdell: 76%
Por los 411: 74.5% |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 6:17 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency no way he doesn't make it the next year, i suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37610649) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 6:18 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation all the more reason he just needs to get off the ballot and be voted in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37610655) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 6:16 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation btw, this Nathaniel Rakich kike is a real lib asshole. read this:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/9/18/reverse-elitism-make-no-mistake-refusing/ |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 8:04 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency nathaniel r. kike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37611284) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:15 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Edgar Martinez’ wife is the head of diversity and inclusion at T-Mobile and has a grad cert from Cornell. XO very conflicted!
https://mobile.twitter.com/HolliMartinez1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/holli-martinez-86727147
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:18 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency holy fuck. edgar was a former xo poaster, too, in the early days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37615942) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:29 PM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37616025) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:32 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency there was a megapoaster in the early days of xo by the moniker of edgar martinez. he went to nyu law and clerked on the the 2d cir, and outed earl -- not sure why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37616038) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:30 PM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican comfortably wealthy birdbrains pursuing "equality" and "causes" later in life is pretty standard, I wouldn't ding xo Edgar for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37616030) |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 7:41 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency NATE SILVER projects moose is OUT:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/we-built-a-polling-model-for-the-baseball-hall-of-fame/ |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 8:08 PM Author: canary motley associate patrolman 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37636190) |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 8:53 PM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad Harold Baines gets an extra five minutes for his speech if Moose doesnt make it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37636470) |
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Date: January 21st, 2019 8:53 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37636471) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:34 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation (BoSox fan who would vote for Ortiz) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639737) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:31 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Today is the day!
With 225 ballots revealed/~54.6% of the vote known:
Rivera - 100% Halladay - 92.9% Edgar - 90.7% Mussina - 81.8% --- Clemens - 71.6% Bonds - 71.1% Schilling - 70.2% Walker - 66.2% McGriff - 39.6% Vizquel - 37.8% Manny - 25.3% Rolen - 21.3% Helton - 17.8%
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Some final prediction models:
https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1087590252917735424
https://twitter.com/Porlos411/status/1087568351822561282
https://twitter.com/ScottLindholm/status/1087543218709938176
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1087533291157233664 |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:35 AM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency 2 in, 2 out for moose. plus silver has him out.
what's the exact announcement time? |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:38 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation silver's model is by @baseballot, who has Mussina up 1 point from 73 to 74 in a day
6pm tonight. Mussina is gonna be razor thin. hope he gets it if for no other reason than the ballot needs some space, and Moose getting in will hopefully and rightfully get Schilling in |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:41 AM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency trump should tweet for moose in order to help schilling! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639772) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:42 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation he definitely should!
btw a Red Sox writer just voted after saying he wasn't going to vote at all because he wouldn't vote for Rivera.
he decided to include Rivera, but no Edgar, Mussina and Schilling. did manage to vote for Manny Ramirez though.
Wanna know why he voted? so that he could vote for David Ortiz.
God damn fucking Boston people are the worst.
https://twitter.com/NotMrTibbs/status/1087746776344363008 |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:45 AM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency what a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639799) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:53 AM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639845) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:47 AM Author: up-to-no-good tanning salon Baseball writers fucking blow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639811) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:49 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I honestly cannot understand the rationale for voting for Ortiz and NOT Edgar, unless you are just a total homer hack. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639825) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:54 AM Author: learning disabled market fat ankles Because he was BIG PAPI, a LARGER THAN LIFE character! Not some white hispanic introvert dork. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639850) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation jfc kill these people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639860) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:58 AM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad He brought the fear back to Boston! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37639871) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:43 AM Author: snowy fantasy-prone chad 2021 will be interesting. No first ballot guys.
Bonds, Schilling, Sosa and Clemens in year 9 if not elected next year. A-Rod and Ortiz looming in 2022 as well. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:46 AM Author: laughsome pungent mediation Sosa has no chance.
Schilling will get in next year imo, particularly so if Moose gets in this year.
Bonds and Clemens I think will need to go to year 10 to get in. How they fare will determine A-Rod.
Ortiz is a joke and should not get in. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:27 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency Is Rivera going to be unanimous or not? Chances some voter leaves hik off just so he's not the first? That happened to Ripken right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37640019) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:28 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation No he won't be unanimous. And honestly, he shouldn't be given that no one has been. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37640022) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:31 PM Author: shimmering skinny woman national security agency I agree he shouldn't be if nobody else has been. But does that excuse being a faggot and leaving him off just to make sure he's not unanimous? How can you say he's not deserving ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37640032) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:32 PM Author: Splenetic public bath mexican who cares, it's a gay and retarded debate either way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37640035) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 12:41 PM Author: laughsome pungent mediation I mean in a vacuum I agree with you. There's probably one player every 5 years who deserves to be unanimous.
Greg Maddux only had 97.2% of the vote. How on Earth was he not unanimous? I'd vote for him over Rivera in a heartbeat, and I think Rivera is a lock first ballot guy.
But given that the precedent is there re "first ballot" and "unanimous", at this point I can see the rationale behind not making anyone unanimous for tradition's sake. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:45 PM Author: hairless foreskin ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4133975&forum_id=2#37642547) |