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Why is everyone so fat wtf

It's honestly just ridiculous how fat people are and how man...
shimmering vibrant immigrant range
  02/16/19
do you live in flyover country? say what you will about t...
snowy philosopher-king
  02/16/19
plenty of fats on the coasts but not as many as flyover and ...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
nyc is full of fat retarded niggers lumbering around everywh...
stimulating rambunctious incel
  02/16/19
brother, I'm in mfh and it is literally a fat farm with a he...
fragrant azn crackhouse
  02/16/19
i went to a grocery store in the ghetto and saw how fat poor...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Yeah these people just have to be purged from society hth ...
shimmering vibrant immigrant range
  02/16/19
going to the ghetto makes you realize most pple are complete...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
This is why southern california is 180, fat shaming is still...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
living in flyover makes you realize...everyone is obese, ame...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
(Guy who just wrote the new "Visit Indianapolis!" ...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
ljl, i love the outdoors and at least my social scene is 180...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Indianapolis is fun as hell
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
Is it underrated?
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
I think so, but I like the midwest as a californian. It feel...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
Cr, current California is a blown out GC fuckhole, can't eve...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
ljl i am originally californian too. most of my family still...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
I was in Genoa this past summer while visiting cinque terre,...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
these methheads need to do more meth to lose weight. instead...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Processed food, no one moves, always sitting in car or front...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
i never exercise and have never been above 20 bmi and i eat ...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Big issue is that no one cooks at home. One big mac and frie...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
fast food is not super high calorie compared to say restaura...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
My point was that people should cook at home. Every restaura...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
true, the only lowish calorie fast food places i can think o...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Taco bell sneaks a ton in, but a chicken bowl from del taco ...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
i usually only eat grilled chicken tacos. maybe 120 calories...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Yeah those are cr. It’s the “ground beef” ...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
ugh, the FDA is now approving some new pink slime as "g...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Both are extremely high calorie, that's the problem. Anywher...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
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judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
I dont really eat American or Italian food. I eat out a lot ...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Japs are thin for a reason. Koreans too. Look at their natio...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
you can pig out on Asian food and stay slim big thing is ...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
Cr- it's been said a million times but if you take all the s...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
Look, this has been gone over a thousand fucking times for y...
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
When was this happening in 1985? 1995? Edit: 1970?
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
There was plenty of malnutrition in the US up until about th...
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
Malnutrition among otherwise well situated white americans? ...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
Yeah, most people, including whites, were poor.
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
This is an odd take, and seems to avoid the fact that the po...
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
Yeah, even middle class people won't buy organic food most o...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
Sickly is a literal obese fatass IRL, so he always trolls fo...
Trip Forum
  02/16/19
Women used to hve avg 19 BMI in the US...if thats a result o...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
So half of them were malnourished. Oh and thanks for admitti...
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
what a jump
judgmental cuck
  02/16/19
BMI 19 is anorexic? lol fuck off. America stds have warped y...
marvelous roast beef whorehouse
  02/16/19
(statistics masterman who for sure knows what "average&...
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
Look at pictures of people from before the 1980s. People jus...
tantric bat shit crazy legend
  02/16/19
The great move to office work happened several decades befor...
Drab faggotry theater stage
  02/16/19
Well, the death rate was higher back then, and the rate of e...
Electric gay cuckoldry
  02/16/19
Lack of shame culture
Mischievous Blood Rage
  02/16/19
Imagine being teleported from 1950s to modern day Fort Laude...
vivacious rose hominid nibblets
  02/16/19
Chemicals in the water, turning the frogs gay.
Glittery theatre
  02/16/19
black tights
Self-absorbed coldplay fan
  02/16/19
"Why don't these people just fucking stop eating" ...
azure exciting resort internal respiration
  02/17/19


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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: shimmering vibrant immigrant range

It's honestly just ridiculous how fat people are and how many of them there are

Like how does this even happen? Why don't these people just fucking stop eating lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792035)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:22 PM
Author: snowy philosopher-king

do you live in flyover country?

say what you will about the coasts, but at least we don’t have many fat people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792046)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:24 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

plenty of fats on the coasts but not as many as flyover and much fewer obese people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792056)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:26 PM
Author: stimulating rambunctious incel

nyc is full of fat retarded niggers lumbering around everywhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792060)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:14 PM
Author: fragrant azn crackhouse

brother, I'm in mfh and it is literally a fat farm with a healthy dose of white trash, and third world brown people. I've lived in a couple of areas and the people here are the grossest I have ever seen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792255)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:23 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

i went to a grocery store in the ghetto and saw how fat poors shop

boxes and boxes of chips, cookies, processed food

no fresh food, no fruit, no veggies

lots of frozen dinners and fried frozen meat

wheeling carts around, barely able to walk

most pay with food stamps

these people are lazy and have no self control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792050)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:30 PM
Author: shimmering vibrant immigrant range

Yeah these people just have to be purged from society hth

Just fucking lol at people arguing back and forth about "government policies" and "democracy" when like 60% of the population is literally too stupid and high time preference to stop fucking eating once they have already consumed enough calories

Yeah I'm sure obese dipshit prole #7462894729 has a lot to contribute with their "vote" for how to run and organize civilization

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792071)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:38 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

going to the ghetto makes you realize most pple are completely retarded and hopeless and this country is fucked because they have 3 kids each, all on food stamps. and yet despite being on welfare, most whites in flyover are methheads. the government gives them cash to buy drugs. the gov is supporting the underground drug business.

the entire concept of welfare is retarded.

id rather have orangutans vote than these people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792094)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:40 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

This is why southern california is 180, fat shaming is still alive and well. You have to wear thin polos when playing golf so if you’re overweight your bitch tits will poke through and youll be the laughing stock of the course

No quarter zip sweaters to hide your flab you fat twinks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792102)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:43 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

living in flyover makes you realize...everyone is obese, america will be 90% dumb fat poors within 2 generations bc they are the only ones breeding, poors deserve to be poor bc they really are lazy and stupid, and everyone really is on meth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792117)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

(Guy who just wrote the new "Visit Indianapolis!" campaign)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792126)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:47 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

ljl, i love the outdoors and at least my social scene is 180

id still choose flyover over the coasts

coasts have plenty of dumb fat poors taking the subway

at least there are fewer pple in flyover, and i drive, so dont have to deal with fat dumb poors normally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792133)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:47 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

Indianapolis is fun as hell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792136)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:55 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Is it underrated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792166)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:57 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

I think so, but I like the midwest as a californian. It feels a little bit like stepping into another time - not so striverish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792172)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:01 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Cr, current California is a blown out GC fuckhole, can't even believe people want to live there, it's a ruined paradise sadly.

I'm a New Yorker, but people are fleeing to Florida like they're giving out the cure for cancer there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792188)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 4:24 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

ljl i am originally californian too. most of my family still live there. flyover (idaho etc) is a nice place to live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37793021)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:46 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

I was in Genoa this past summer while visiting cinque terre, they had two giant burger stands at the train station and more fat italians than I’ve ever seen. It’s going global brother - while white collar professionals dry up, date on apps and try to have kids at 40. SAD

and youd think meth would rectify the issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792130)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

these methheads need to do more meth to lose weight. instead they end up drug addicted obese fatties on food stamps. the gov funds their eating and meth habits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792140)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:43 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Processed food, no one moves, always sitting in car or front of TV, way more intake of calorically dense food with very little actual physical exercise, if any at all.

For thousands of years, we were working in fields all day, expending tremendous amounts of energy. It's basically just modern life crashing into evolutionary biology.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792119)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

i never exercise and have never been above 20 bmi and i eat plenty of junk food

its just about caloric intake and self control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792129)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:47 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

Big issue is that no one cooks at home. One big mac and fries and you are done for the day or will blow up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792135)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:50 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

fast food is not super high calorie compared to say restaurant food...restaurants add a ton of butter, sauces etc. and you dont even know what you are eating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792143)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:54 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

My point was that people should cook at home. Every restaurant and fast food meal is a days worth of calories unless you’re eating at Lemonade or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792157)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:55 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

true, the only lowish calorie fast food places i can think of are like taco bell and del taco. not a lot of sauces added onto tacos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792163)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:56 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

Taco bell sneaks a ton in, but a chicken bowl from del taco is relatively clean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792168)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:58 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

i usually only eat grilled chicken tacos. maybe 120 calories for a taco

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792176)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:02 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

Yeah those are cr. It’s the “ground beef” that fucks people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792198)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

ugh, the FDA is now approving some new pink slime as "ground beef"

you cant trust the FDA to look out for peoples health

i avoid eating beef entirely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792211)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:55 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Both are extremely high calorie, that's the problem. Anywhere you go out, fast food, fast casual or any kind of take out is likely a caloric bomb. Look at the calorie counts on menus at fast casual spots like Olive Garden or TGI Fridays - one dish can be 1200, 1300, 1400 calories. Nearly an entire days worth of caloric need.

If you're a thinmo and don't exercise and eat junk food, you must be making up for it somewhere. Either you eat the junk sparingly (which is fine) or you're expending a lot of calories in some way, because weight gain has nothing to do with anything other than calories in/calories out, except in extremely rare circumstances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792160)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:55 PM
Author: judgmental cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792165)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:57 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

I dont really eat American or Italian food. I eat out a lot but stick to Korean, Jap, and Chinese food, which may be naturally fewer calories. Asians dont cook with butter and probably use less oil. I stopped eating beef and pork. Mainly just eat seafood and some chicken.

I eat plenty of tacos from taco bell etc but its pretty low calorie.

You can eat a lot of seafood and still have low calories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792173)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:04 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Japs are thin for a reason. Koreans too. Look at their national diets. Mainly rice, vegetables and raw fish. Sure, they have their fats too but nothing like the mass fatdom we have in US/UK, most of the West.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792209)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:06 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

you can pig out on Asian food and stay slim

big thing is not cooking with butter, not using a lot of oil, and not eating a lot of meat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792218)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:10 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Cr- it's been said a million times but if you take all the science and gobbledygook and boil it down to just brass tack take away it's:

1) Eat real food (non-processed, whole foods)

2) Eat less (don't overeat calories)

3) Eat mainly plants (have your meat sparingly, and diet should be mainly plant based)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792235)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

Look, this has been gone over a thousand fucking times for you types.

The Ice Ages. Famines. Crop failures. Bandits. Malnutrition. Crushing taxes on farmers imposed by emperors and kings. The common lot of humanity has been lethal mass starvation.

And for one shining moment, we have escaped from this.

Clear enough? Fuckin' a.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792127)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:48 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

When was this happening in 1985? 1995?

Edit: 1970?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792139)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:52 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

There was plenty of malnutrition in the US up until about the 1950s. It was a big problem with draftees when the war broke out. If you're talking globally, it was also up until maybe the 70s when crop failures were still routinely killing people outside the industrialized countries.

Nobody wants to live this way and people run like hell from it the first chance they get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792151)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:53 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

Malnutrition among otherwise well situated white americans?

Go to any UMC suburb, kids are just fat and playing fortnite. The military is having big issues because the kids are so sedentary / cant pass the PT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792154)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:58 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

Yeah, most people, including whites, were poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792179)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:02 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

This is an odd take, and seems to avoid the fact that the poor people are the fat ones now - due to an availability of shit cheap fatty foods. Wealthy people have the means to eat cleanly and well, yet their children are often pudgy and not active

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792197)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Yeah, even middle class people won't buy organic food most of the time because they aren't going to pay $6.99 for organic blueberries if non-organic is $3.99. Quality, low calorie, fresh, organic food isn't financially or sometimes even geographically accessible to a lot of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792214)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:08 PM
Author: Trip Forum

Sickly is a literal obese fatass IRL, so he always trolls for fat being good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792225)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:54 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

Women used to hve avg 19 BMI in the US...if thats a result of malnutrition then I hope a plague kills our food sources.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792159)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:57 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

So half of them were malnourished. Oh and thanks for admitting you're pro-ana.

Every. fucking. time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792170)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 12:58 PM
Author: judgmental cuck

what a jump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792177)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:00 PM
Author: marvelous roast beef whorehouse

BMI 19 is anorexic? lol fuck off. America stds have warped your judgment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792185)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

(statistics masterman who for sure knows what "average" means)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792215)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:00 PM
Author: tantric bat shit crazy legend

Look at pictures of people from before the 1980s. People just looked different. They were thin. There was a small golden era between when food scarcity ended and modern life didn't become so toxic that people were optimally "healthy". And Sickly is right, for most of our history, most people were starving. Up until WW2 many in rural America were starving like Africans or something, especially in light of the Great Depression.

But then the quality of food changed, processed food and convenience took over, sedentary lifestyles due to technology and automation increasing, extreme abundance of food. You're starting to see obesity in third world countries now, and heart disease in countries where people literally never got atherosclerosis.

Hello. It's your diet. Everything comes down to diet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792184)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:17 PM
Author: Drab faggotry theater stage

The great move to office work happened several decades before the average person became obese. What's the difference?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792272)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:22 PM
Author: Electric gay cuckoldry

Well, the death rate was higher back then, and the rate of even things like cardiovascular disease and heart attack were also higher. We have about the same number of people in the US dying of heart attacks year over year with a growing, fatter population. So I think the big change is that the death rate was higher for everyone and the unhealthier people were killed off and fewer of them got to reproduce, so now we are left with a healthier population in the first place because of that long term pressure. So this is irrelevant wrt to fatness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792304)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:03 PM
Author: Mischievous Blood Rage

Lack of shame culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792203)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:25 PM
Author: vivacious rose hominid nibblets

Imagine being teleported from 1950s to modern day Fort Lauderdale airport.

There’s shit carbs everywhere and people lack self control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792315)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:28 PM
Author: Glittery theatre

Chemicals in the water, turning the frogs gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792326)



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Date: February 16th, 2019 1:36 PM
Author: Self-absorbed coldplay fan

black tights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37792359)



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Date: February 17th, 2019 5:29 AM
Author: azure exciting resort internal respiration

"Why don't these people just fucking stop eating"

Because food is an easy way for them to take some of edge of the shittyness of life.

It's not the people who have changed. Shitty food and shitty life are more prevalent. Obesity is the natural result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4202844&forum_id=2#37795658)