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Many, many brilliant scientists see no conflict between god/science
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Date: March 19th, 2019 11:30 AM Author: Gaped mental disorder Nor do they say science negates the idea of god in any way and furthermore, many are devout believers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37954524) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 11:33 AM Author: Poppy library Bureau of Land Managment grassland scientists dont count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37954538) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 11:41 AM Author: Gaped mental disorder I'm referring to world renown physicists mainly and many in the biological sciences. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37954585) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 12:56 PM Author: yellow razzle site Lol ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955035) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 12:59 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955056) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:01 PM Author: Azure Locus *tips fedora* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955064) |
Date: March 19th, 2019 1:02 PM Author: Onyx Place Of Business Milk ok but far more of the worlds brilliant minds take the opposite view (last I checked, its something like 85-15). Who's more likely to be right?
Also, ask yourself this: when you couple survival instinct with linguistic intelligence and awareness of one's own impending death, what is one outcome you're likely to see in a large portion of the population? |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:05 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder I don't agree that fear of death would cause someone with the mental capacity to understand counter arguments for the existence of god, to suddenly "believe" for some reason.
Also, many scientists identify as agnostic as opposed to atheist. Atheism is the total denial of the existence of god or anything like it which most scientists agree there is no direct evidence for the non-existence of such a thing so default to an agnostic position. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:10 PM Author: Onyx Place Of Business Milk it amazes me the mental gymnastics religiousmos put themselves through to try to convince themselves they're "going somewhere" when their body and brain die.
some people need that i guess, and i sort of understand it since i felt the same way as a child. but you're not going to convince those of us who have studied this that there's any merit to it, nor do i get why you feel compelled to to do. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder I am not getting into specific religious ideas or dogmas or why a layman believes as (s)he does, I am speaking simply about many top scientists in physics and biology (including gentleman linked above who is actually a full on believer) saying more and more there's no direct evidence *for* atheism and additionally there is not truly a "conflict" between the possibility of god's existence and science. It is indeed a possibility that has not been ruled out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955130) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:20 PM Author: Onyx Place Of Business Milk that's not how science works. you dont start with a premise and then say "no data exists to disprove this." that's not how truth gets discovered. likewise, one's inability to understand how some aspect of nature could exist without divine intervention does not amount to a scientific theory. sorry but your way off the reservation here. if you feel the need to believe i understand that but to invoke science as either supporting or, conversely, being unable to disprove, your belief is just nonsense. there's a reason religiousmos came up with the concept of a "leap of faith" in the first place. that's what you should be focused on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955170) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder I am not speaking about myself, again I am speaking about top scientists who are at the forefront of their fields coming to these conclusions.
Additionally, there are many questions that science is unable to answer, among them Why are we here? Or, what is the meaning of life? Francis Collins, who led the Human Genome Project, puts it this way:
"ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.
As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.
I did not always embrace these perspectives. As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers.
I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?" "Why do humans have a moral sense?" "What happens after we die?" (Watch Francis Collins discuss how he came to believe in God Video)
I had always assumed that faith was based on purely emotional and irrational arguments, and was astounded to discover, initially in the writings of the Oxford scholar C.S. Lewis and subsequently from many other sources, that one could build a very strong case for the plausibility of the existence of God on purely rational grounds. My earlier atheist's assertion that "I know there is no God" emerged as the least defensible. As the British writer G.K. Chesterton famously remarked, "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative." |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:05 PM Author: Onyx Place Of Business Milk Craig Venter's team was actually most responsible for sequencing the human genome. The joint credit to Venter and Collins was the result of a last minute compromise so that the discovery could be considered a joint public-private achievement, rather than one of private industry. And Craig Venter is an atheist. So your attempt at "appeal to authority" here kinda gets thrown out the window. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955426) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:18 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."
John Collins is one example (of many), but the statement above isn't an appeal to authority. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:38 PM Author: charismatic blood rage brunch "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative."
That's a silly thing to say.
1. It falsely assumes that some sort of perfect factual knowledge is necessary. But many conceptions of gods entail contradiction. There's no need to search under every rock in the universe to realize A and not-A are incompatible.
2. Not all atheism is positive atheism. Negative atheism exists and isn't subject to that objection. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:07 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder You can define negative atheism as lack of belief but that's simply an assumption the same as being a believer - no definitive evidence supports the position and scientists are saying science doesn't necessarily contradict or disprove the possibility of god's existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955753) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank that is a very, very, very weak proposition that literally nobody would deny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955785) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:16 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder Not entirely, because science isn't any closer to answering how the universe came to be or why and cannot rule out is creation by god. Additionally, there are questions beyond what science can reasonably answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955810) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:23 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank let's unpack this shall we. on one hand, questions like "why is there something rather than nothing" are unwarranted generalizations of hunter-gatherer survival essentials like "why will i bleed to death if i'm mauled by a bear". there's no answer because the question itself makes no sense on the other hand, questions like "what happened at the beginning of time" absolutely ARE being chipped away at by science. we're closer to understanding that shit than 10 years ago, 100 years ago and 10,000 years ago |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:58 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder Actually, you can answer easily the question "why will I bleed to death if I'm mauled by a bear". The mauling would result in physical damage that could cause enough blood loss that you die.
The question "Why is there something rather than nothing" is not a "generalization", it's just a question that no one has been able to answer. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank That's my point. The bear question makes sense. It is essential to our survival. But the human mind's capacity for abstraction sometimes leads to absurdities. You can put a "why" in front of a statement and make it grammatical but it makes no sense. What kind of answer do you envision to the 2nd question? |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder Well that is the true mystery of life. Not how it is, but *that* it is. Scientists know they cannot answer this question. We have a plausible understanding of the narrative of the cosmos, but the why, the most important question, is beyond the reach of science. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37956120) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 4:15 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank I don't even understand the question though. Do you? What level of explanation would be enough? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37956137) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 4:23 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder You don't understand the question or are you saying that the question is unanswerable?
"Why is there something rather than nothing" is a pretty straightforward question. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank what's the difference? how meaningful is a question that has no answer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37956320) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder Because this particular question cuts to the core of the entirety of existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37956476) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:19 PM Author: passionate cuckold menage Smart people engage in all sorts of motivated reasoning to believe in things that are emotionally important to them. There is a reason why political beliefs and intelligence are not highly correlated. The situation is even worse with religion, where you are supposed to simply have faith (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955166) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:20 PM Author: Cordovan slippery plaza faggotry I would like to believe in an afterlife. I doubt there is one. I do think it’s possible we’ll live again, though, & maybe already have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955172) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:03 PM Author: appetizing keepsake machete seems more important to recognize the world is ordered, and that its order is good, than to believe in anything in particular about time after death, imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955421) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 5:05 PM Author: Pearl wrinkle meetinghouse then how come nobody who's currently living is claiming to be living a 2nd life?
you might say the reincarnation has no idea of the previous life. but that would mean the liver of the first life, once dead, is eternally dead. |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 1:21 PM Author: Big-titted Godawful Locale Community Account This was one way to lure spaceporn into the open, god's work OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955179) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:01 PM Author: Internet-worthy drab parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955407) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:03 PM Author: hideous crawly stage tank also a way to lure hot fresh teenage blood str8 out of high school. nice job OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955418) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:58 PM Author: cheese-eating nibblets coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37956055) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 2:23 PM Author: comical chapel goal in life Compartmentalization / power of denial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955516) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: appetizing keepsake machete mathematicians recognize this even more readily. ljl at sTTTem outside of physics and math. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955741) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:14 PM Author: Exhilarant jet-lagged mad cow disease Many brilliant scientists are actually frauds that steal ideas and then win at academic politics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955793) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 3:18 PM Author: Big-titted Godawful Locale Community Account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37955832) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:18 PM Author: aromatic whorehouse No spaceporn here but preftigious scientists are 93% atheist/agnostic
https://www.nature.com/articles/28478 |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: Gaped mental disorder athiest and agnostic are very different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37957815) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 10:04 PM Author: aromatic whorehouse lol. they're both non-believers in god. far closer to each other than to theists. and that 93% consists of 72.2% atheists and 20.8% agnostics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37958079) |
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Date: March 19th, 2019 9:30 PM Author: Chartreuse nursing home gay wizard You can always come up with some concept of god that is above, around or within scientific explanations. It all depends on how flexible the Church in it’s idea of god. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4224241&forum_id=2#37957859) |