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not flame can someone explain to me how michael jordan is undisputed "best athle
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 3:36 AM Author: canary charismatic new version so what exactly is he the best at. Getting a three-peat in a rigged expansion league when nike was just figuring out how to market athletes globally?
Where are the unmatched stats? Babe ruth hit more home runs than entire teams on a regular basis. Ted williams had a batting avg 4 standard deviations above his competitors. Mike tyson was like 40-0 undefeated heavyweight champion at 19 year old. tiger woods won every third golf tournament by 10 strokes for 4 years in a row. Where is the MJ unattainable greatness stat?
I ask my sportsnut friends about this and their eyes just glaze over and they mutter something about "best compethithor ever" |
Date: May 23rd, 2019 4:00 AM Author: canary charismatic new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38275869) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:04 PM Author: canary charismatic new version libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280490) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:06 PM Author: bat shit crazy brindle garrison famous landscape painting Nobody considers him the "best athlete" for squeaking his shoes on a basketball court. Many believe hes the best basketball player of all time but some dispute this now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280503) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:17 PM Author: canary charismatic new version no. if you ask 100 people who the best athlete of all time is over half will say MJ. I want to know why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280579) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:35 PM Author: bat shit crazy brindle garrison famous landscape painting well over half of your sample is completely brain dead. He's not in the conversation for best athlete as anybody can tell by reviewing his baseball performance. Cf. bo jackson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280666) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: canary charismatic new version then you agree with me. Most people who answer this question are brain dead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281422) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 8:45 AM Author: bat shit crazy brindle garrison famous landscape painting 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282063) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:23 PM Author: zippy misanthropic state macaca Watch his games. He was sooo good and sooo cool. GOAT.
Also, he could dunk from the free throw line. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:20 AM Author: canary charismatic new version dont know if this is sarcastic but this is the actual response i get from serious people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281444) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:29 PM Author: Geriatric talented liquid oxygen sanctuary It's not just that he won so many championships. Bill Russell won more. It's that he won against such difficult competition.
Look at the Dream Team from the 92 Olympics. The NBA was at its absolute apogee. Yes, some guy today might technically average more free throws plus assists in the third quarter of playoff games. But the competitive spirit, the amount of attention paid, and amount of energy devoted, were all at highs that have not been matched.
Compounding all this is the fact that MJ was not a great natural athlete. He was cut from his high school basketball team, etc. Most of his highlights involve him getting around some other player who was frankly probably more physically gifted. He won by force of will. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:36 PM Author: zippy misanthropic state macaca I don't get the athleticism comment at all. He was extremely gifted athletically. His jumping ability, speed, and body control were amazing. But I think he also had a will to dominate everyone else, which meant that he also worked really really hard to maximize his gifts, which showed up in his amazing defense and perineter game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280676) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:41 PM Author: Passionate step-uncle's house Is this flame? The NBA is absolutely loaded with way more talent now than in the '90s. Also MJ was one of the most explosive athletes in the NBA during his era. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280706) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:50 PM Author: Marvelous godawful office NBA isn't "absolutely loaded with way more talent now." What a cockass idea. Probably 10s have a physical edge vs 90s and 90s have a skills edge vs 10s and neither is so greatly different to make either period out of the conversation in either regard. This recency fallacy infiltrates too many of these conversations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280763) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 11:02 PM Author: Passionate step-uncle's house lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280809) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:23 AM Author: saffron meetinghouse yarmulke CR. All you have to do is look at track and field to see that athletes get better over time. In general, the new guys will always be better than the old guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281214) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:25 AM Author: Marvelous godawful office That's a badly flawed analogy. And even on its own terms it isn't a great argument--e.g., the mens 100m has only gone down by about .2s in 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281219) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 9:58 AM Author: Wonderful mad cow disease Federer is going to be 38 in a few months and is far superior to anyone born in the 90s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282293) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:06 AM Author: Titillating Carnelian Hominid Parlour To be fair, modern players are "better" in the sense of putting up higher stats on paper while not exciting anyone. The 90s game allowed contact, which took real talent to play though.
Obviously, though, only a corpulent Jew would ever argue that Jordan wasn't the greatest basketball player of all time. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:17 AM Author: canary charismatic new version difficult competition? the NBA was a fucking expansion league during his prime. Half of the teams were diluted AF. I can start at shooting guard and have pippen rodman and kukoc win 45 games back then. Im not even entirely sure that is an overstatement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281437) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:38 PM Author: Marvelous godawful office http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-finals-bulls-vs-suns.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280692) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:43 PM Author: Passionate step-uncle's house gone are the days when an NBA finals team has the likes of dan majerle as their 2nd best player. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280722) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 10:55 PM Author: Marvelous godawful office Nice attempt at diminishing this, but Majerle was a strong player and that Suns roster was loaded with talent beyond Barkley. Johnson, Majerle, and Dumas would all be starting on competitive teams in 2019 NBA. Also, the Suns were the odds-on favorite to win that series going into it, like with the Jazz in 98. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280783) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:05 AM Author: Shaky bright range generalized bond KJ was their 2nd best player (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281135) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:17 AM Author: Marvelous godawful office real talk: Barkley was sort of a broken man after this series; although he came closer than I think most people remember to facing Jordan again in the 97 finals when he played for Houston (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281189) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:10 AM Author: spectacular field scourge upon the earth Kyle Lowry and Khris Middleton aren't exactly world beaters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281404) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:00 AM Author: Wonderful mad cow disease (Kyle Lowry) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282310) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 11:02 PM Author: mewling dingle berry because he brought the nba international and the nba needed a 90s hero after magic and bird.
he had a cool cocky vibe that was win at all costs that no player has today.
he's not the goat though that's lebron. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 11:10 PM Author: vibrant really tough guy NBA purists 🤝 Lebron worship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280852) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:08 AM Author: Titillating Carnelian Hominid Parlour How many times did MJ have to change teams after being unable to win at his current team? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281392) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:10 AM Author: spectacular field scourge upon the earth (gloria james-west) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281407) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: canary charismatic new version cool vibes makes you better than wilt chamberlain dropping 100 every game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281419) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 11:09 PM Author: autistic pozpig he was incredible. never rested on his talents. was both the most talented player in the league AND the most competitive. It was the later quality that set him apart. that’s what people liked best about him. Lebron is more talented but doesn’t have the insane competitive drive that Jordan had, which is why Jordan continues to be the GOAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280849) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2019 11:30 PM Author: Geriatric talented liquid oxygen sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38280961) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:07 AM Author: know-it-all crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281147) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:32 AM Author: greedy heady shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281243) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:08 AM Author: Titillating Carnelian Hominid Parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281395) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:11 AM Author: apoplectic pontificating gaping space he was great but gets more credit than he deserves. lebron's arguably better. part of it is that everybody knows that baseball doesn't require great athleticism (babe ruth is among the best ever), hockey is a relative afterthought and also doesn't require incredible explosiveness (wayne gretzky is likely the best ever in that sport), and the most important players in football (qbs) generally aren't great athletes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281411) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:15 AM Author: spectacular field scourge upon the earth If people really want to say Jordan isn't the basketball GOAT they should be arguing Kareem, not LeFraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281429) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:17 AM Author: canary charismatic new version Kobe, chamberlain, west, shaq, even curry has a stronger claim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38281439) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 8:44 AM Author: Marvelous godawful office u need to massage the flame, work it; u can’t just come up to it and shove ur hand in its prostate full bore like this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282060) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 8:45 AM Author: Passionate step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282062) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 9:53 AM Author: Shaky bright range generalized bond He was better at sport than any other athlete was at their sport (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4267430&forum_id=2#38282267) |