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NV passes bill to give EVs to national popular vote winner, trumptard fuming
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Date: May 24th, 2019 9:56 AM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282284) |
Date: May 24th, 2019 10:01 AM Author: Cerebral Cuckoldry To be fair - This is a lib policy that could easily end up with blood in the streets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282325) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:16 AM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282424) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:17 AM Author: fishy aromatic ape genital piercing We're (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282430) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:17 AM Author: Yellow Titillating Private Investor Clown this is honestly my favorite thing about this particular shitlib pumo
not sure if it's the same shitlib pumo who claims to be an insider on the Yang campaign and also speaks of "we" |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:24 AM Author: blue dead meetinghouse Same (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282471) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:24 PM Author: cowardly cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283159) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:17 AM Author: crusty hissy fit Ljljljl at "we" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282431) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:48 PM Author: Apoplectic copper center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284315) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:02 AM Author: Yellow Titillating Private Investor Clown Only blue states have done this so far. let's be honest, while there probably exists a Republican who could win NV in a POTUS race, Trump is not that Republican. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282331) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:19 AM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282445) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:09 AM Author: crusty hissy fit Its almost certainly unconstitutional
https://harvardjol.com/2018/10/26/combination-among-the-states-npvic-unconstitutional/
https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2012/02/william-ross-vote-compact/ |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:10 AM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker Electoral college benefits Democrats since they have a large non-citizen population in their states (CA, NY). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282381) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:16 AM Author: crusty hissy fit Eh, it probably benefits Republicans more. Electoral college is representatives proportioned to population plus two senators regardless of population. GOP usually wins more states even when they lose, so they gain from the +2 on every state even small ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282420) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:18 AM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker Obama 2012 only got 51.1% of the vote but 61.7% of the EVs. It's not stable, meaning it depends on the margins of victory in states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282437) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:19 AM Author: crusty hissy fit I would argue that one side only benefits from the EC when they win the EC and not the popular vote. Obama in 2012 did not benefit from the EC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282446) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker can't be too results oriented since we don't have massive samples to work with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282459) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:44 PM Author: Vigorous stag film the EC margin of victory will almost always be much bigger than the popular vote margin just because of the winner-take-all system the GOP benefits mainly from the advantage small states have in the EC, not from the winner-take-all system. george W bush would have lost the EC in 2000 if every state had two fewer electors |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:47 PM Author: gaped stubborn mexican cr it's like finding a magic sword in DnD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284306) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282457) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:26 AM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker Small samples. There are scenarios where it helps Dems like 2012. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282482) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:04 PM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283016) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker non-citizens in CA and NY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283033) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:21 PM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283139) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker house apportionment counts non-citizens. so winning states with heavy non-citizen populations gives you an EC bonus. Trump kinda exploited against this by losing CA/NY so badly that the damage was mitigated. (Obviously winning 50.01% -49.99% maximizes the advantage and going to 100% - 0% minimizes it)
Trump managed to get lucky and win 4/4 swing states by 1.2% or less to maximize the winner-take-all by state nature of the EC, but that's just a one-off lucky break and not a structural advantage. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:17 AM Author: Jet talking home pervert Lib states should just allocate their EC votes to whoever wins California's East L.A. district, tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282427) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:18 AM Author: Fantasy-prone kitty queen of the night South Chicago, actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282439) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: Jet talking home pervert Given Republican efforts to disenfranchise these folks, it only makes sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282454) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:25 AM Author: Cerebral Cuckoldry Imagine living in Colorado and having your state vote how California's East L.A. district votes no matter what. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282475) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:26 AM Author: Jet talking home pervert https://www.cpr.org/news/story/white-men-should-stop-running-office-says-colorado-group
Guess race/gender of the group's founders
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:09 PM Author: Bearded forum So far they've raised $120 from six donations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283060) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:27 AM Author: razzmatazz church gaming laptop “We” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38282484) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:07 PM Author: low-t provocative locale Ah yes, the Democrat party which has been whining about election fraud for 2+ years is now making it dramatically easier to actually commit election fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283043) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:09 PM Author: Multi-colored mustard milk isn't this meaningless unless a bunch of other states do it OP is mentally ill |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: Bearded forum Lots of states have done this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283064) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: Multi-colored mustard milk not enough iirc I doubt it actually happens |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:11 PM Author: Bearded forum https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/blog/2019_03_14_Cohen%20NPV%20Map-01.png
Probably won't happen, but alarming nonetheless |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:22 PM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283145) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: Multi-colored mustard milk csb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283151) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 10:46 PM Author: Flickering Azure Cruise Ship Shitlib "not quite there" jfc name even a single swing state that has done this?
NV is I guess the closest I've heard but you have to go back to GWB to see it go red, which is a completely different era. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: Exciting well-lubricated national generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283123) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: Bearded forum Interstate compacts must be approved by Congress (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283131) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:25 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman It's not an interstate compact though. It's just a bunch of states agreeing to do something once a certain condition is met. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283167) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: crusty hissy fit Its pretty close to a compact (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283194) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:36 PM Author: cracking stock car den It’s literally called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
However, there is apprently an argument that not all interatate compacts need to be approved by Congress. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 2:40 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman " Yale Law School professor Akhil Amar, one of the compact's framers, has argued that because the NPVIC does not create a "new interstate governmental apparatus" and because "cooperating states acting together would be exercising no more power than they are entitled to wield individually", the NPVIC probably does not constitute an interstate compact."
It's literally a bunch of states changing their own laws regarding internal state matters.
Are you arguing that California could give its electoral votes to the popular vote winner unilaterally, but when it agrees to do it once other states do it it's unconstitutional? |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 2:41 PM Author: Pea-brained tan hairy legs digit ratio Akhail Amar, excellent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283855) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 8:38 AM Author: Apoplectic copper center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38287309) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:00 PM Author: low-t provocative locale Here's an interesting question. Could a state that is traditionally a purpleish state, at a point where one party held the legislature and Governorship, pledge it's electors to the winner of the popular vote for President in a state dominated by that party?
For example, if New Hampshire had a Dem Governor and razor thin margins in the legislature, could it say "NH will award its electors to the winner of the popular vote for president in the District of Columbia"? Could Florida do that with Wyoming? |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:05 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman I'm sure judges in the state would say it runs afoul of their respective constitution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284042) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:07 PM Author: low-t provocative locale But it's okay for Rhode Island, which has 1M people, to pledge it's electoral votes to the results of a vote of 330M people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284050) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:11 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman ....Yes?
At the end of the days laws only mean as much as we say they do.
A lot of people are OK with the idea of the person who wins the popular vote winning the presidency. Arguing over how that's enforced is just semantics. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:12 PM Author: low-t provocative locale >> A lot of people are OK with the idea of the person who wins the popular vote winning the presidency. Arguing over how that's enforced is just semantics. <<
To be fair, there is a pretty clear cut way to make this happen. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:16 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman If 80% of Californians think the popular vote winner should win the electoral college, do you have a moral objection to them granting their electoral votes that way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284120) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:26 PM Author: low-t provocative locale Yes, for a host of reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284182) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:28 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman Like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284186) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:31 PM Author: learning disabled peach mediation mad-dog skullcap libs = niggers = shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284206) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:35 PM Author: low-t provocative locale I think it specifically goes against the intent and law of the Constitution.
I think it will further exacerbate regionalism.
I think it exposes the country to demagoguery because you won't need anywhere close to a majority to win. You don't now but at least you need a plurality across many and varied states.
I also think it creates a whole host of practical issues. |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 12:11 AM Author: Flickering Azure Cruise Ship Shitlib I feel like it would be pretty difficult for SSC to explain how allocating the way ironside is proposing WOULD violate state constitution but allocating to popular vote winner would not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38286587) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:05 PM Author: cracking stock car den That would disenfranchise your own states voters so probably not (in the interstate compact your owns states voters at least count to the national majority).
So I suppose you could say NH + DC, which would be weird, but at least your states voters are heard. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:08 PM Author: low-t provocative locale yes, or you could say NH + [a host of blue states] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284054) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: cracking stock car den Hey man if you don’t want people thinking it’s an interstate compact don’t call it an interstate compact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284024) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: crusty hissy fit That is a secondary argument, but maybe a credited one. States probably don't have a right to do this without amending const even with congressional consent.
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Date: May 24th, 2019 2:46 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman What's to stop states from all unilaterally changing their laws once the 270 threshold is met, without technically bringing the compact into force. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283903) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: misanthropic feces toilet seat Lol as if the text of the constitution matters at this point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283133) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:25 PM Author: Impressive elite selfie puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283165) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:21 PM Author: misanthropic feces toilet seat Is this Paulie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283136) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: Brass curious roast beef It’s in the penumbra you idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283171) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:29 PM Author: crusty hissy fit States don't have an absolute right to determine how they pick electors. For example, and, this is obviously an extreme, but a state cant say we pick our electors by how white men vote.
https://harvardjol.com/2018/10/26/combination-among-the-states-npvic-unconstitutional/
https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2012/02/william-ross-vote-compact/
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:36 PM Author: Vermilion Very Tactful Pit Brethren Can they say everyone gets to cast 1000 votes, thereby tipping the popular vote? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283213) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:37 PM Author: crusty hissy fit Idk probably not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283215) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 12:44 PM Author: cracking stock car den Would also make it very difficult (if not impossible) to do a recount.
Maine apparently doesn’t (yet) use ranked-choice voting for presidential elections but that would be another wrinkle. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:01 PM Author: low-t provocative locale cr, what would happen in a very close election within say 0.5%? imagine the shitshow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283323) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:02 PM Author: crusty hissy fit Also the lack of a uniform standard for voting....voter id, felons, absentee, etc.
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Date: May 24th, 2019 1:05 PM Author: low-t provocative locale Just nationalize everything! (Dem) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38283348) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: Bespoke weed whacker police squad it's such a short-sighted retard position durr, our state's votes don't matter unless they tip the scales of the national vote for example, 5 million nevada voters vote unanimously for bernie. trump wins popular vote by 3 votes. all of nevada's electoral votes go to trump.
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:20 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman "for example, 5 million nevada voters vote unanimously for bernie. trump wins popular vote by 3 votes. all of nevada's electoral votes go to trump."
This literally how it works everywhere else on earth. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:29 PM Author: cracking stock car den If directly electing president there’s usually a 50 percent threshold with a runoff (Brazil, France). I guess Mexico would be an exception, although then you have Nieto winning with 38%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284190) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:32 PM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker We have a primary that acts as the first round of voting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284216) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:35 PM Author: cracking stock car den Many are disenfranchised from the primary/caucus system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284240) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:40 PM Author: floppy high-end temple candlestick maker That's their own problem. You can join a party at any time at no cost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284261) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:40 PM Author: Cerebral Cuckoldry its completely retarded. I would say the same thing if republicans were the ones trying to do it. The chance for a state's electors voting contrary to the citizens of that state is just too high, and if that happened in my state I'd want to kick somebody's ass. How anyone would even consider this is unbelievable to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284264) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:42 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman A lot of people don't care much about the concept of federalism. You guys get that right? Like, the idea that states exist as semi-sovereign units is baffling to a lot of people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284275) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:47 PM Author: low-t provocative locale That's really sad. Federalism is legit one of the best things about this country, and anyone who doesn't understand it or why we have it has a fundamental misunderstanding about this country and its founding.
I'd rather us move towards being a confederation rather than towards being less federalist. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:50 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman There's pros and cons to both systems. Acting like federalism is indisputably better than having a unitary state is silly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284339) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:54 PM Author: learning disabled peach mediation mad-dog skullcap it's probably better given that the us is just going to be more multicultural (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284355) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 3:56 PM Author: low-t provocative locale Well, for starters there might not even be a USA without federalism.
But in a country this big, and this diverse, we need more federalism, not less. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 4:00 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman "But in a country this big, and this diverse, we need more federalism, not less."
If we broke up the country into logical partitions based on this diversity then you'd have a point. That's not the case though. At the moment you have black southerners and white southerners trapped together. You have Miami in a state with the rest of Florida. You have Staten Island doomed to co-exist with the rest of NYC. If anything we should grant greater sovereignty to local governments.
Back when the only diversity that mattered was geographic location our system made perfect sense. Now? Eh. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 4:02 PM Author: low-t provocative locale I'm all for more local sovereignty.
The more homogeneous the political unit, the better. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman "The more homogeneous the political unit, the better."
This homogenization has been an absolute disaster for both blacks and rural whites.. |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: low-t provocative locale ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284435) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 4:08 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman All of the nation's wealth and social capital has coalesced into a few urban bubbles that are effectively silohed from the rest of the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284446) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 12:13 AM Author: crimson tank university "a few urban bubbles" is a stretch. there are a lot of urban bubbles and the "bubble" has bled deep into a lot of suburbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38286596) |
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Date: May 24th, 2019 5:35 PM Author: fishy aromatic ape genital piercing Local and granular to level of the individual citizen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38284864) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 12:01 AM Author: Bespoke weed whacker police squad guy who thinks he knows more than madison fuck, man. why do you think this is debatable? |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 5:36 AM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman It was debated while it was being written. It was debated after it was written, and took a lot of compromise before it was accepted by the framers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38287148) |
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Date: May 28th, 2019 8:37 AM Author: aquamarine site sandwich "has a fundamental misunderstanding about this country and its founding"
you mean, libs |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 2:47 AM Author: Iridescent Lascivious Native It's going to be hilarious if blue states end up voting for Trump after he crushes Sanders or Harris. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38286936) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 8:40 AM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman Sanders is going to be our next POTUS bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38287313) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 5:16 PM Author: Iridescent Lascivious Native ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38289044) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 5:36 PM Author: Impressive elite selfie puppy Reply Favorite
Date: May 25th, 2019 8:40 AM Author: War Machine
Sanders is going to be our next POTUS bro.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38287313) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 5:41 PM Author: blue dead meetinghouse This is going to be bumped a decade from now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4268249&forum_id=2#38289126) |
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Date: May 25th, 2019 7:33 PM Author: Nighttime demanding corner patrolman One way or another it will be.
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