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fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse
  06/15/19
Fine with this. Average HHI for Tesla owners is like $300K.
smoky church
  06/15/19
Are you the “we” lefty political shitpoaster?
Obsidian concupiscible feces ape
  06/15/19
I thought it was progressive! *taxes double* "It's o...
cracking center
  06/15/19
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spectacular lake address
  06/15/19
180 pay your fair share, libs
Curious Rusted Toaster Heaven
  06/15/19
That’s like 3x more than gas cars.
fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse
  06/15/19
so what? pay up
Curious Rusted Toaster Heaven
  06/15/19
Because roads are paid for with gas tax, which Tesla owners ...
Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/19
How many gallons of gas do you think they use? It’s on...
fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse
  06/15/19
Lol @ thinking this justification has any bearing on how muc...
Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/19
Clearly. I thought you were trying to tell me I was wrong ab...
fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse
  06/15/19
Rough figures: 12,500 miles per year 25 mpg overall av...
Glittery school
  06/15/19
those boomer pensions aren't going to fund themselves
Stimulating mood
  06/15/19
Constitutionally protected!
Well-lubricated Place Of Business Range
  06/15/19
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territorial whorehouse reading party
  06/15/19
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Obsidian concupiscible feces ape
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irradiated slap-happy state
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Rambunctious soul-stirring main people lay
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Racy house fortuitous meteor
  06/15/19
whoa a tax hike I can agree with
Magenta free-loading jap
  06/15/19
lmao, so iow, to the extent e-car owners are happy they're s...
Appetizing Hospital
  06/15/19
nobody buys an e-car for the savings, it's literally all abo...
Magenta free-loading jap
  06/15/19
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Galvanic Honey-headed Shrine Persian
  06/15/19
great moniker
Stimulating mood
  06/15/19
From the article: "For Skarlatos, a self-employed softw...
Appetizing Hospital
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Obsidian concupiscible feces ape
  06/15/19
The final tax was $250 not $1000, and that approximates the ...
fragrant bespoke temple
  06/15/19
This is why you register all vehicles with a montana LLC
Maize stirring theater elastic band
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Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness
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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:39 PM
Author: fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-electric-vehicle-fee-illinois-20190509-story.html

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

A proposed hike in Illinois’ annual registration fee for electric vehicles, from $17.50 to $1,000, is being called unfair by current EV owners, and a sales disincentive by manufacturers — just as the new technology is beginning to gain broader traction.

“It’s outrageous,” said Nicoletta Skarlatos, 56, of Chicago, who bought a Tesla Model S five years ago. “I thought Illinois was progressive and would want to encourage EV ownership.”

Aimed at raising money to make overdue road improvements across Illinois, the proposed legislation would also more than double the state’s gas tax to 44 cents a gallon and raise the registration fee for standard vehicles to $148, from $98, among other elements.

But the kicker is a nearly 60-fold increase in the electric vehicle registration fee — one that is sure to cause sticker shock across a nascent segment of the auto industry, which has depended on government incentives to entice early adopters.

Electric car owners, brace for a jolt. A Chicago Democrat wants to charge you $1,000 — every year.

Hybrids and plug-in electric hybrids, which both use gas to supplement electric power, are not included in the $1,000 fee proposal.

The justification for the dramatic hike? Electric vehicles don’t provide the state with any gas tax revenue.

“There’s definitely a push, because electric vehicles don’t pay any gas taxes,” said Pete Sander, president of the Illinois Automobile Dealers Association.

Tesla said it opposes the Illinois fee increase. Electric truck startup Rivian, which is slated to begin production at its factory in downstate Normal next year, was more outspoken.

“Imposing fees on EVs that are over 400 percent more than their gasoline-powered counterparts is not only unfair, it discourages promising new technology that will reduce our dependence on petroleum, reduce emissions, and promote the Illinois economy,” Rivian spokesman Michael McHale said.

The legislation, introduced this week by Democratic Sen. Martin Sandoval of Chicago, would raise about $2.4 billion in annual transportation funding, according to its backers. Sandoval did not respond to a request for comment Thursday on the proposed EV registration fee hike.

A tax on how much you drive — could it happen in Illinois? »

Last year, electric vehicle sales topped 200,000, or about 2 percent of total U.S. auto sales, according to Edmunds, an auto research firm. Tesla is the market leader, but competitors include the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, with a host of new EVs from other manufacturers set to hit the market in the near future.

“Every automaker has broadcast loud and clear that the future of automotive is autonomous and electric,” Jeremy Acevedo, an analyst with Edmunds, said Thursday.

Acevedo said EV sales growth has been slower than some projected, with a dearth of models and not enough electric infrastructure — charging stations — to promote widespread adoption.

Whole town's talking about how Tesla may doom dealerships as 'Webb boys' make $20 million showroom bet

A $7,500 federal tax incentive has helped consumers take the plunge. But once a manufacturer hits 200,000 electric vehicles delivered, the credit is cut in half, which is the case with Tesla. In fact, starting July 1, the tax incentive will be cut in half again at Tesla, to $1,875 per car.

At the other end of the spectrum, Nissan, which sold 14,713 Leafs in the U.S. last year, has yet to hit the 200,000 cumulative sales mark and still qualifies for the full $7,500 federal tax credit. Retail price for the car starts at less than $30,000, before incentives.

A disincentive, such as the Illinois registration fee, could significantly slow sales momentum, Acevedo said.

“Certainly, going from $17.50 to $1,000 in terms of registration, isn’t going to move the needle in the direction the industry is hoping,” Acevedo said.

Illinois ranked seventh in EV sales last year, at 6,400 vehicles. There were about 15,000 electric vehicles registered in the state as of last month, but analysts project that number could increase dramatically in the coming years as manufacturers ramp up production, customers warm to adoption, and more and better charging stations come online.

A recent study by the Citizens Utility Board projected the number of electric vehicles registered in Illinois to hit at least 690,000 by 2030, but could reach as high as 2.2 million if the state embarks on an “aggressive effort to reduce carbon emissions.”

The proposed electric vehicle registration fee hike would certainly run counter to such efforts, according to CUB spokesman Jim Chilsen.

READ MORE: 5 reasons self-driving cars still may be many years away »

“The proposed fee increase is way too high,” Chilsen said. “It’s punitive, it’s unfair and it goes against Illinois’ transportation trends and needs. It won’t be long before we’re all driving in an EV world — out of necessity. We need EVs, not only to reduce pollution but also to keep down our personal driving costs and the costs of the power grid.”

For Skarlatos, a self-employed software developer who bought her Tesla using $7,500 in federal incentives and $4,000 in state incentives, the idea of suddenly having to pay a $1,000 registration fee to own an electric vehicle in Illinois is “unfair,” and would have dissuaded her from an environmentally motivated purchase. The $11,500 in incentives, she said, persuaded her to take the plunge.

“This is going to make people not want to buy EVs,” she said.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393730)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:42 PM
Author: smoky church

Fine with this. Average HHI for Tesla owners is like $300K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393740)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 7:00 PM
Author: Obsidian concupiscible feces ape

Are you the “we” lefty political shitpoaster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394095)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:45 PM
Author: cracking center

I thought it was progressive! *taxes double*

"It's outrageous,” said Nicoletta Skarlatos, 56, of Chicago, who bought a Tesla Model S five years ago. “I thought Illinois was progressive and would want to encourage EV ownership.”

Aimed at raising money to make overdue road improvements across Illinois, the proposed legislation would also more than double the state’s gas tax to 44 cents a gallon and raise the registration fee for standard vehicles to $148, from $98, among other elements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393747)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 9:38 PM
Author: spectacular lake address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394704)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:46 PM
Author: Curious Rusted Toaster Heaven

180

pay your fair share, libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393752)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:51 PM
Author: fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse

That’s like 3x more than gas cars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393773)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:58 PM
Author: Curious Rusted Toaster Heaven

so what? pay up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393804)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:59 PM
Author: Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness

Because roads are paid for with gas tax, which Tesla owners don't pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393808)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:01 PM
Author: fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse

How many gallons of gas do you think they use? It’s only 44 cents a gallon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393813)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:02 PM
Author: Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness

Lol @ thinking this justification has any bearing on how much sweet cash they can squeeze out of Tesla owners to pay for Boomer pensions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393818)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:04 PM
Author: fantasy-prone self-absorbed meetinghouse

Clearly. I thought you were trying to tell me I was wrong about the 3x more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393831)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:41 PM
Author: Glittery school

Rough figures:

12,500 miles per year

25 mpg overall average

500 gallons of gasoline

$220 in annual gas taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393988)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 5:56 PM
Author: Stimulating mood

those boomer pensions aren't going to fund themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393794)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:00 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Place Of Business Range

Constitutionally protected!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393810)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:35 PM
Author: territorial whorehouse reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393944)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 7:00 PM
Author: Obsidian concupiscible feces ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394098)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:22 PM
Author: irradiated slap-happy state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393904)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:53 PM
Author: Rambunctious soul-stirring main people lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394054)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 9:39 PM
Author: Racy house fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394707)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:05 PM
Author: Magenta free-loading jap

whoa a tax hike I can agree with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393837)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:08 PM
Author: Appetizing Hospital

lmao, so iow, to the extent e-car owners are happy they're saving money on gas, this tax will remove even that benefit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393849)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:13 PM
Author: Magenta free-loading jap

nobody buys an e-car for the savings, it's literally all about virtue signaling by intolerable rich libs. this is an awesome tax proposal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393872)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:14 PM
Author: Galvanic Honey-headed Shrine Persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393874)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:15 PM
Author: Stimulating mood

great moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393875)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:36 PM
Author: Appetizing Hospital

From the article: "For Skarlatos, a self-employed software developer who bought her Tesla using $7,500 in federal incentives and $4,000 in state incentives, the idea of suddenly having to pay a $1,000 registration fee to own an electric vehicle in Illinois is “unfair,” and would have dissuaded her from an environmentally motivated purchase. The $11,500 in incentives, she said, persuaded her to take the plunge.

“This is going to make people not want to buy EVs,” she said."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393952)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 7:01 PM
Author: Obsidian concupiscible feces ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394099)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 6:18 PM
Author: fragrant bespoke temple

The final tax was $250 not $1000, and that approximates the benefit of avoiding the $175 gas tax an average car owner pays in driving 10,000 miles per year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38393883)



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Date: June 15th, 2019 9:49 PM
Author: Maize stirring theater elastic band

This is why you register all vehicles with a montana LLC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38394734)



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Date: June 16th, 2019 12:21 AM
Author: Boyish locale twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4283583&forum_id=2#38395328)