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International Society of Anglo Saxonists forced to change name, deemed racist

It is now considered racist to use the term “Anglo Sax...
lime prole
  09/19/19
WE WUZ ANGLO SAXONS TOO! fuck off
overrated salmon double fault
  09/19/19
this entire story is utterly absurd. i can't even cherrypick...
Aphrodisiac ratface institution
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Ocher field halford
  09/19/19
It was never just about a name, said (((Eileen FRADENBURG Jo...
overrated salmon double fault
  09/19/19
settle down cletus
Brilliant abode dragon
  09/19/19
stfu, you dimwitted retard
overrated salmon double fault
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hes a turd that spends all day on 4chan. sounds like a winne...
grizzly razzmatazz home incel
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Glittery Rusted Trailer Park
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Note how the crime here is literally *being white*.
Effete stimulating spot french chef
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"At the time, the British Empire wanted to justify its ...
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Coiffed Set Giraffe
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Lol But we are so dun here
irradiated son of senegal
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compared to the other colonial empires, the British were exc...
fragrant splenetic stain fanboi
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"Golden Aspen 12 hours ago This is absolutely fascina...
Aphrodisiac ratface institution
  09/19/19
irl loled
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Wow.
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Ocher field halford
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Coiffed Set Giraffe
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All of this makes no sense. They are studying and interested...
Marvelous house idiot
  09/19/19
Because Orange Man Bad.
Coiffed Set Giraffe
  09/19/19
an explanation... "Okay White People, Break It Up&qu...
overrated salmon double fault
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Now they want to ban Europeans from studying their own histo...
lime prole
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magical sadistic library striped hyena
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"The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of ho...
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ask yourself one simple question: what would bobby birdshit ...
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Kill
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lol'd
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electric adulterous bawdyhouse
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the fact that everyone's telling me I'm wrong; simply proves...
Ocher field halford
  09/19/19
"Psychology" should have never left the Academy
High-end Supple New Version
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this is progress!
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  09/19/19
Yum, look, a black pill!
irradiated son of senegal
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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:21 PM
Author: lime prole

It is now considered racist to use the term “Anglo Saxon”

“Hey there were some merchants from North Africa and Greece. Medieval England wasn’t monolithically white.” -She said in all seriousness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/09/19/its-all-white-people-allegations-white-supremacy-are-tearing-apart-prestigious-medieval-studies-group/

It’s all white people’: Allegations of white supremacy are tearing apart a prestigious medieval studies group

Hannah Natanson

Mary Rambaran-Olm speaks at an academic conference in Washington earlier this month, at which she announced her plans to resign as second vice president of the group formerly known as the International Society of Anglo-Saxonists. (Leah Newsom)

Mary Rambaran-Olm speaks at an academic conference in Washington earlier this month, at which she announced her plans to resign as second vice president of the group formerly known as the International Society of Anglo-Saxonists. (Leah Newsom)

So, in one of the most dramatic moments of her life — as she took the podium at an academic conference to resign from a prestigious medieval studies group over its alleged racism, sexism and ties to white supremacy — she kept things simple. She wasn’t nervous, she didn’t tremble; she didn’t even bother to prepare notes.

Facing several hundred people in an auditorium in downtown Washington this month, Rambaran-Olm spoke for less than a minute: The International Society of Anglo-Saxonists (ISAS) was encouraging and emboldening white supremacists, she said, an attitude typified by its refusal to change its name. Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, was stepping down as the group’s second vice president, effective immediately.

“I just said what I had to say,” Rambaran-Olm, a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland, said later. “I didn’t understand at the time what ripple effect it was going to have — I didn’t think it was going to snowball.”

Snowball it did.

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On Tuesday, following multiple resignations and outraged statements from other medieval groups condemning its actions, ISAS formally voted to alter its name, bowing to critics who argue that “Anglo Saxon” is code for whiteness, a phrase that is co-opted today by white supremacists around the world to advance a false version of white-dominated history.

It was a landmark moment for the group and for medieval studies. ISAS, one of the largest and longest-standing scholarly associations in the field, holds a highly regarded conference every two years that attracts scholars across the globe. Presenting at the event as a young scholar is “a huge deal” that can make your career, according to Erik Wade, a visiting lecturer at the University of Bonn who studies Old English literature and history.

But the battle over the term “Anglo Saxon” has implications beyond ISAS: It’s emblematic of broader issues roiling the world of medieval studies, Wade said. Over the past two weeks, Rambaran-Olm’s actions have forced the field into a contentious debate about the ways its past and present scholarship may reinforce white supremacy, a reckoning some are hailing as long overdue.

“The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”

About 75 percent of ISAS’s 582 members participated in the vote to change the group’s name, and the motion passed with a roughly 60 percent majority, according to an email obtained by The Washington Post.

“There will of course follow a process for suggesting, discussing, and selecting a new name,” former ISAS executive director Robin Norris wrote in the email. “We apologize to our colleagues of color who have experienced the name of our society as just one of many microaggressions they have faced in academia.”

The switch came too late for some, and too soon for others. In the wake of Rambaran-Olm’s speech, ISAS suffered a steady drip of resignations from rank-and-file members and top leadership on both sides of the issue. Its advisory board of nine is down to just four.

ISAS President Timothy Graham declined to comment, and Norris did not respond to a request for comment. Rebecca Stephenson, the second Vice President of ISAS, wrote in a “collective statement” on behalf of the advisory board Thursday that the organization is “strongly committed to transparent progress on these important matters.”

The “term ‘Anglo-Saxonist’ is problematic. It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views, and has contributed to a lack of diversity among those working on early medieval England and its intellectual and literary culture,” the statement reads in part. “We are grateful for the patience and support of our members as we begin to rebuild bridges between the divisions in the Society.”

In her email to ISAS members, Norris said the board was saddened by all the resignations and admitted: “We made you wait too long for change.”

“Mary’s resignation has raised difficult questions that will require a longer process of self-reckoning and evaluation on the part of the Society … the board pledges to effect changes,” Norris wrote. She concluded the message with the first of those changes: “With that, I resign as your Executive Director.”

Rambaran-Olm said she thinks ISAS is “taking a good first step” by changing its name. But much more must be done — and much more is at stake, she said.

It was never just about a name, said Eileen Fradenburg Joy, a scholar in the field and a former ISAS member.

“The entire field of medieval studies is undergoing massive upheaval because they have not dealt with long-standing issues of racism and sexism,” Joy said. “This name change controversy is sowing the fault lines that still exist between white scholars — because it’s all white people, a bunch of white people arguing over whether they’re racist.”

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The discipline of English medieval studies — which is overwhelmingly white — focuses on literature, art and culture produced between roughly A.D. 500 and 1500 in England. Key texts studied include “Beowulf” and Geoffrey Chaucer’s “The Canterbury Tales.”

White supremacists have recently sought to revive this period of history as proof of white racial superiority, pointing in part to the era’s literary achievements as evidence that white society was far ahead of other cultures, according to Wade. They also see it as a time “of pure masculinity, some sort of warrior culture where men could be men,” Wade said.

Medieval symbols and references to historians of that era have cropped up at white nationalist and neo-Nazi rallies, including the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. The gunman suspected in the 2019 New Zealand shooting that left 51 dead scrawled 18 references to the Middle Ages on his weaponry, according to medieval historian Paul B. Sturtevant.

The term “Anglo Saxon” has come to symbolize this particular vision of white medieval dominance, Wade said — a vision that is completely wrong for several reasons.

First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

Second, Wade said, people living in the region were not the insular and self-important bunch that white supremacists want them to be. The English did not “think of themselves as the center of the world,” according to Wade, and in fact looked to other societies for inspiration and education.

Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

The next antibiotics could come from the Dark Ages

“This idea that they were not influenced by North Africa or the Middle East, all of these places, is just ridiculous,” Wade said. “They’re really, really trying to model themselves on this other part of the world.”

The false historical narrative that white people — in particular, Anglo Saxon people — were the only race to produce worthwhile literature, art and scientific discoveries during the Middle Ages took root when “professional medieval studies” launched in Britain in the late 1700s, according to Wade. At the time, the British Empire wanted to justify its colonization of other countries around the globe, so it was “politically convenient” to develop a view that the English had “always been superior,” Wade said.

That way of thinking became entrenched as the field developed, according to Wade, and still shapes the discipline today — informing who gets hired, who gets published, who gets tenure.

“This field … it’s just incredibly self-satisfied, smug, elitist, white and male,” Joy said.

Rambaran-Olm didn’t know all this when she chose to pursue a career in medieval studies. She just knew she’d fallen in love with the subject.

Her admiration began during childhood in Canada, when her father (a “huge Middle Ages fan”) introduced her to literary figures such as Robin Hood. Her passion was confirmed in college when she discovered “Beowulf.”

“I was just fascinated with Old English, this language that seemed so foreign but it was our language, my language,” Rambaran-Olm said. “I thought that medieval studies was something for me, too — until I found out that clearly it wasn’t.”

Professors and advisers made Rambaran-Olm feel alien and unwelcome countless times over the years, she said. Turning her down for a job, someone told her, “We couldn’t figure out how to justify to our students that you are an Anglo-Saxonist.” Teachers consistently professed amazement that she was interested in the field.

Still, she stuck with it, determined not to become one of the countless “people of color who leave silently,” she said. She joined ISAS in 2005 and, when the opportunity arose in 2017 to serve as second vice president, she jumped at it.

The organization is highly prestigious among medieval scholars (“a huge deal,” Wade said), so it was a possible boon to her career. More than that, Rambaran-Olm thought she could push for change from within, using her position of power for good.

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“I was hoping I could reach not just the organization but work to make changes within our field, because our field is just laden with so many problems,” Rambaran-Olm said. “Too many people have left because of racism and sexism. … I’m one of the only people of color in the field.”

In her new role, she immediately began seeking to reform ISAS. She fought to introduce a sexual harassment policy and to “dismantle racism within the organization” by making it more inclusive of people of color, she said.

Of course, she also pushed for a name change — an idea first proposed by Adam Miyashiro, an associate professor of literature at Stockton University who wrote an open letter to ISAS in 2017 in part outlining the “racist understanding” of the term Anglo-Saxon. Miyashiro again made the case for changing the name at ISAS’s conference this year in Albuquerque.

“My argument was that we need to at least seriously consider the racist and white supremacist history about how that term has been used,” Miyashiro said in an interview. “This is not something we can run away from."

For two years, every change Rambaran-Olm proposed met with “endless and total stonewalling” from ISAS’s board, she said. This month, following yet another disappointing board meeting, she decided she’d had enough.

In the hours before the Washington conference on Sept. 7, she called her mother and various academic advisers to talk through her plans to quit. Everyone agreed: It simply “wasn’t worth it” anymore. She did not want to do hard, lonely and pointless battle with the board for years to come.

ISAS’s vote this week hasn’t changed Rambaran-Olm’s mind. She has no wish to rejoin the group, she said, no matter what it’s called.

But she’s not giving up on medieval studies.

“I have a number of articles and two books in the works,” Rambaran-Olm said. “I just think — well, there are things to say, and if people are willing to publish it, I’m going to say them.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856737)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:22 PM
Author: overrated salmon double fault

WE WUZ ANGLO SAXONS TOO!

fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856742)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:29 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac ratface institution

this entire story is utterly absurd. i can't even cherrypick a single quote that stands out as particularly clown world. it's just all completely insane and if you showed this to someone 5 years ago they would think it was satire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856762)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:09 PM
Author: Ocher field halford



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:30 PM
Author: overrated salmon double fault

It was never just about a name, said (((Eileen FRADENBURG Joy))), a scholar in the field and a former ISAS member.

“The entire field of medieval studies is undergoing massive upheaval because they have not dealt with long-standing issues of racism and sexism,” Joy said. “This name change controversy is sowing the fault lines that still exist between white scholars — because it’s all white people, a bunch of white people...

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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:31 PM
Author: Brilliant abode dragon

settle down cletus

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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:32 PM
Author: overrated salmon double fault

stfu, you dimwitted retard

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Date: September 19th, 2019 5:23 PM
Author: grizzly razzmatazz home incel

hes a turd that spends all day on 4chan. sounds like a winner, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38858391)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:32 PM
Author: Glittery Rusted Trailer Park



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:32 PM
Author: Effete stimulating spot french chef

Note how the crime here is literally *being white*.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856780)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:31 PM
Author: Effete stimulating spot french chef

"At the time, the British Empire wanted to justify its colonization of other countries around the globe, so it was “politically convenient” to develop a view that the English had “always been superior,” Wade said."

Totally average, totally unexceptional British empire colonizing countries around the world and then looking for post facto justification.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856770)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:32 PM
Author: Glittery Rusted Trailer Park



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: Coiffed Set Giraffe



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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

Lol

But we are so dun here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38859136)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:36 PM
Author: fragrant splenetic stain fanboi

compared to the other colonial empires, the British were exceptionally conniving and treacherous. "Perfidious Albion" was named so for a reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38859152)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:31 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac ratface institution

"Golden Aspen

12 hours ago

This is absolutely fascinating.

I'm kind of stunned that anybody thought the Middle Ages were about whiteness in the first place, let alone some mythical Anglo-Saxon Camelot reflecting the superiority of whiteness, or that other people didn't create greatness themselves.

This was a period during which Muslim Spain flourished, and there was tremendous richness in the East and in North Africa. For that matter there were great civilizations in America.

Wow."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856771)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:33 PM
Author: Glittery Rusted Trailer Park

irl loled

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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:34 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac ratface institution

Wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856789)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:35 PM
Author: Glittery Rusted Trailer Park



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:09 PM
Author: Ocher field halford



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: Coiffed Set Giraffe



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:35 PM
Author: Marvelous house idiot

All of this makes no sense. They are studying and interested in ANGLO-SAXON ENGLAND, which was a real, historical thing. Why the fuck do they have to open themselves up to studying Muslim Spain? IT would be like asking scholars devoted to studying Native Americans pre-Columbus why they aren't also looking at the Crusades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856794)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:50 PM
Author: Coiffed Set Giraffe

Because Orange Man Bad.

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Date: September 19th, 2019 12:53 PM
Author: overrated salmon double fault

an explanation...

"Okay White People, Break It Up"

https://www.takimag.com/article/okay-white-people-break-it-up/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38856883)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:19 PM
Author: lime prole

Now they want to ban Europeans from studying their own history?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38857039)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:20 PM
Author: lime prole

“Hey there were some merchants from North Africa and Greece. Medieval England wasn’t monolithically white.” -She said in all seriousness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38857043)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:50 PM
Author: lime prole



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:51 PM
Author: Ocher field halford



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Date: September 19th, 2019 1:52 PM
Author: Glittery Rusted Trailer Park



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Date: September 19th, 2019 2:43 PM
Author: lime prole



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Date: September 19th, 2019 7:20 PM
Author: magical sadistic library striped hyena

The impact of the cultural cross-pollination on me from the one Eskimo I met on an Alaskan cruise in 1994 cannot be overstated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38858810)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 2:45 PM
Author: High-end Supple New Version

"The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”

What do you even say to this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38857551)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 3:06 PM
Author: electric adulterous bawdyhouse

ask yourself one simple question: what would bobby birdshit do

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Date: September 19th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: High-end Supple New Version

Kill

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Date: September 19th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: frum state

lol'd

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Date: September 19th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: electric adulterous bawdyhouse



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Date: September 19th, 2019 5:17 PM
Author: Ocher field halford

the fact that everyone's telling me I'm wrong; simply proves how right I actually am.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38858366)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:40 PM
Author: High-end Supple New Version

"Psychology" should have never left the Academy

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Date: September 19th, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: grizzly razzmatazz home incel

this is progress!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38857901)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

Yum, look, a black pill!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38859139)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:38 PM
Author: fragrant splenetic stain fanboi

Twist: to celebrate Anglo-Saxondom is to insult Celts everywhere who were persecuted by the eternal Anglo for centuries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346873&forum_id=2#38859158)



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Date: September 19th, 2019 9:54 PM
Author: Exhilarant amethyst factory reset button theatre



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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:05 PM
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