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http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/06/aba_to_requi...
twisted affirmative action indirect expression
  06/15/06
This is big news...
curious market nibblets
  06/15/06
Just a way to make money by administering more LSATs.
mischievous menage police squad
  06/15/06
I wonder how much this will up the 75 percentile of the lowe...
Irradiated national
  06/15/06
quite a bit. I suspect at the very top this change won't ma...
glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike
  06/15/06
WTF?
Insanely creepy den hissy fit
  06/15/06
Wow, Northwestern is going to be a T10 when next year's rank...
Exhilarant cobalt yarmulke
  06/15/06
As a numbers admit, let me just say I'm glad this didn't hap...
Exhilarant cobalt yarmulke
  06/15/06
this is good news for blue smoke
Dashing deer antler
  06/15/06
Why? Her 169 is high enough for any LS.
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
she wants to take it again
Dashing deer antler
  06/15/06
It would benefit her for law schools to ignore her 169?
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
no, but if she fucks up, she still has the higher score. ...
Dashing deer antler
  06/15/06
Due to the new policy, will law schools only look at the hig...
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
Schools can do virtually whatever the hell they want with re...
vermilion chad
  06/15/06
have another cup of coffee and wake up and re-read! what ...
Dun Piazza Wagecucks
  06/15/06
Wake up and re-think dumbass. Schools have incentive to acce...
Awkward bespoke masturbator idea he suggested
  06/15/06
So a 160 to 172 (average of 166) would be perceived as bette...
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
Of course. The 172 is what they would report. It would hel...
Razzle jet stead
  06/15/06
Wow. You must suck at connect the dots.
Razzle jet stead
  06/15/06
Holy shit! This is going to change the admissions prospect ...
Vigorous Deep Step-uncle's House Feces
  06/15/06
Best out of 3 anyway. The OCD kids will love this.
Razzle jet stead
  06/15/06
Not to mention the LSAC.
vermilion chad
  06/15/06
When does it take effect, this coming cycle?
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
i hope not
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
Why?
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
i have yet to have a formal lsat score on my record. if this...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
I'm going to take it again probably this September, for a se...
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
you'd be foolish not to. and this particularly benefits thos...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
Well I have a mid 160s score and it would have been averaged...
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
How many times have you attempted the LSAT and why do you ke...
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
took it once, cancelled it once
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
What do you think you would have scored if you didn't cancel...
startling roast beef
  06/15/06
This is a legit fear.
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
wow, so basically everyone who isnt scoring a 175+ will have...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
hmmmm... just a money making scheme for LSAC?
Racy garrison
  06/15/06
it's kind of nice for students not to have the tremendous pr...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
Are the ABA and LSAC affiliated?
Violet forum
  06/15/06
Exactly, this is bullshit.
Vigorous Deep Step-uncle's House Feces
  06/15/06
I predict 95% of AZNs will take this test 3 times now.
Razzle jet stead
  06/15/06
and people of other races wouldn't? give me a friggin' br...
chrome nursing home depressive
  06/15/06
I didn't know you were asian. Hispanics and blacks, for ...
haunting theater stage
  06/15/06
Wow
heady hairy legs
  06/15/06
will this mess up the curves greatly? what if a lot of low 1...
anal voyeur
  06/15/06
for each high scorer with a 168+ retaking it, you will have ...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
All I can see is a jumble of confusion for the law schools a...
spectacular territorial box office pozpig
  06/15/06
this is an interesting proposition. does a LS prefer a one t...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
If a school preferred the 170 over the 160/172 they are basi...
Razzle jet stead
  06/15/06
It's very easy to score 10 points below your average on the ...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
i wonder if this will be retroactive... i.e. people who appl...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
Holy shit. Looks like I'll be re-taking on 9/30 EDIT: pro...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
Have youd deferred?
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
I sent in my deferral letter. Have yet to hear back.
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
Not satisfied with Vandy?
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
USC. I just wanted to travel for a yr before I start on this...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
Oh, sorry. That sounds like fun.
Wonderful resort
  06/15/06
where do you plan to go?
Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire
  06/15/06
Teaching english is seoul starting 7/10. I'll do that for at...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
six months of seoul searching should be enough
glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike
  06/15/06
groan
Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire
  06/15/06
I'm thinking so.
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
Nice.
brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine
  06/15/06
ha
Concupiscible pontificating native faggotry
  06/15/06
gross. i forgot about this thread
glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike
  06/15/06
sounds great.
Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire
  06/15/06
wait. if you defer aren't you barred from applying to other ...
Violet forum
  06/15/06
Ugh. Are they just trying to make more money for the LSAC?
Slippery high-end meetinghouse
  06/15/06
organizing, administering, grading tests while keeping it al...
free-loading violent temple organic girlfriend
  06/15/06
Administering is cheap. It's a few hundred bucks for the ro...
vermilion chad
  06/15/06
this is huge. i definitely would have taken it a second tim...
Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire
  06/15/06
I don't think this will matter that much. Sure, more people...
drab aromatic karate abode
  06/15/06
Why do you presume without justification that the the first ...
vermilion chad
  06/15/06
I guess my point was more along the lines of it's unlikely t...
drab aromatic karate abode
  06/15/06
"I guess my point was more along the lines of it's unli...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
The LSAC releases retake stats. It's pretty much what you'd...
vermilion chad
  06/15/06
I remember seeing the stats on that. Do you have a link? or ...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
"I don't think this will matter that much... On the ot...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
*** from delaggios website **** Good News! Law Services h...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
SWEET!
brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine
  06/15/06
looks like it is in effect now. Could cause some waitlist ha...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
I would expect mass mailings being planned out from TTTs who...
brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine
  06/15/06
Good, I won't have to cancel at all, I can just retake in Se...
Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate
  06/15/06
*high five* This is sweet fucking news, esp. considering ...
Outnumbered red property tank
  06/15/06
I've been debating all week whether or not to cancel, now I'...
Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate
  06/15/06
same here.
Out-of-control Mad-dog Skullcap
  06/16/06
Not good. This cycle's going to be madness. If you end up wi...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
It's great. Be prepared for more competition from chokers l...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
This is conjecture from a crackpot admissions counselor. It'...
Violet forum
  06/15/06
High five.
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
With this change, I think it is in everyone's self-interest ...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
Yeah, fuck. This sucks. I'm neurotic enough as it is.
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
Credited, I think. And the concept of knowing you have a...
brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine
  06/15/06
I think it's likely that more high-scorers and over-achiever...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
I'm not so sure the consequences won't be ugly. 25-75 s...
Cracking deranged patrolman
  06/15/06
So much more incentive to take the June/Sept LSAT and try an...
Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate
  06/15/06
As far as strategy for this cycle goes, I would be very much...
Cracking deranged patrolman
  06/15/06
yeah, I'm feeling the same way (regarding the glad it's over...
Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate
  06/15/06
WUSTTTL will have a field day!!!
frisky center weed whacker
  06/15/06
this just allayed my fears of the LSAT being an absolute pre...
chrome nursing home depressive
  06/15/06
this is my plan, except ill take it for the first time in ju...
kink-friendly buff state brethren
  06/15/06
do u guys think that more test takers will now take the test...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
Yes, this is a huge change.
heady hairy legs
  06/15/06
well then wouldn't this balance out the effect of high score...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
We'll know soon.
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
Will this affect waitlists for this year? I was a 3.77/166/1...
seedy church building
  06/15/06
if this isn't flame, I assume the top law schools have figur...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
its not flame I just graduated my gpa is now 3.8 do i ...
seedy church building
  06/15/06
yeah of course you ahve a shot at H. I don't know if you sho...
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
you think the rule change will affect waitlists for this yea...
seedy church building
  06/15/06
Yep.
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
This may be a stupid question, but can you defer a year and ...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
How'd they notify you?
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
did you send a letter of continued interest?
Violet forum
  06/15/06
Under these conditions, I would absolutely have retaken - I ...
Insanely creepy den hissy fit
  06/15/06
This big news. Its also lame because its more $$$ for LSA...
contagious idiot
  06/15/06
Like I said above, it provides a LOT more pressure for peopl...
Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate
  06/15/06
Agreed. I think this will increase the importance of soft fa...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
por que?
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
I think it'll be important in scenarios like this: "Al...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
This could be a blessing in disguise to those who study like...
frisky center weed whacker
  06/15/06
i think if someone retakes they would be more likely than no...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
Also, fewer people who knowingly fucked up or had bad days w...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
Exactly. The curve will soften 3-4 points. Guaranteed...
frisky center weed whacker
  06/15/06
interesting
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
if u know that u fucked up why would you knowingly keep that...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
Because there is always a chance you may not have. Might as ...
frisky center weed whacker
  06/15/06
there is still a penalty. all else being equal, a school ...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
the thing is, most people don't fuck up in a major or obviou...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
sarcashtick, who thinks he fucked on the LR section, was goi...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
the sat policy has always been this way, correct?
vibrant ladyboy locus
  06/15/06
Pretty much.
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
Here are some things I can see happening: -On the one han...
disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard
  06/15/06
hopefully the low scorers are smart enough to know and compr...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
there's a reason why LSD exists.
disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard
  06/15/06
I don't think it will hurt test prep. If people are taking ...
haunting theater stage
  06/15/06
it may balance out - a lot more people will use a real exam ...
Racy garrison
  06/16/06
Wow. This is a huge change. I was a 161/172, 3.97 splitter...
beady-eyed effete pit people who are hurt
  06/15/06
Anyone have data for LSAT retakers in the past?
rebellious newt
  06/15/06
The paper practice test LSAC gives out (or use to give out) ...
rambunctious mediation cumskin
  06/15/06
Got it, thanks. http://lsac.org/pdfs/2006-2007/informatio...
rebellious newt
  06/15/06
It also shows that very few people in the 169+ range bother ...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
this exchange would make a great "Weaken" LR quest...
iridescent point halford
  06/15/06
aha. i like the guy that got a 179, retook, and got 174. The...
Demanding international law enforcement agency
  06/28/06
I disagree that a softening of the curve on individual tests...
Cracking deranged patrolman
  06/15/06
You are overestimating the persistence and work ethic of TTT...
frisky center weed whacker
  06/15/06
The relevant demographic are the people who are testing betw...
disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard
  06/15/06
"The relevant demographic are the people who are testin...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
I agree with the Doctor. You're talking about TTT students,...
Cracking deranged patrolman
  06/15/06
I think you're probably overestimating the returns to furthe...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
In the long term yes, but right now there's going to be a ge...
disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard
  06/15/06
I actually talked to someone at the desk of Michigan's admis...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
Hey! Thanks for adding nothing. 131. HTH.
Turquoise Rehab Useless Brakes
  06/16/06
It was further non-conclusory evidence at a time when some w...
Motley giraffe
  06/17/06
One question: Has this news gotten out to the general pub...
alcoholic spot
  06/15/06
in a few years, it will seem ridiculous that i got into hls ...
Concupiscible pontificating native faggotry
  06/15/06
Not really. They don't have much room to move their LSAT sc...
Motley giraffe
  06/15/06
I woulda retaken my 171 to get into Yale.
abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/06
I would have retaken too. I scored about 5 points lower on ...
Pearl passionate principal's office
  06/15/06
Am I right to assume this helps schools 2-6 the most? They'l...
abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/06
no. there will be no effect, positive or negative, on any pa...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/15/06
...
apoplectic area milk
  06/15/06
This is awesome news.
sooty diverse becky
  06/15/06
Just when I thought I was destined for a life at one of WUST...
Razzmatazz crackhouse
  06/15/06
Congrats and good luck!
topaz brunch
  06/15/06
How are you preparing for September? I have to do the same ...
sooty diverse becky
  06/15/06
The first time around I didn't do any of the preptests past ...
Razzmatazz crackhouse
  06/15/06
Yay.
Cerebral lodge stain
  06/15/06
pros: -the test will no longer be such a psychotic pressu...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/15/06
this is a nice analysis
abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/06
why thank you
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/15/06
"at least for students who don't get fee waivers from L...
Violet forum
  06/15/06
I'm not sure that reducing the pressure of the exam is a pro...
Histrionic cruise ship marketing idea
  06/16/06
I don't know if that is how it was designed, but I wouldnt d...
heady hairy legs
  06/16/06
under time pressure, yes. under holy-shit-if-i-screw-up-o...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/16/06
This is so credited. I was extremely chill when I took the t...
Racy garrison
  06/16/06
interesting breakdown, but you do assume that everyone will ...
Racy garrison
  06/16/06
no way dude. the test has a margin of error. even if you do ...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/18/06
This would be BS. Perhaps the best thing about the LSAT is ...
haunting theater stage
  06/15/06
i agree, except that i think the point made several times ab...
Violet forum
  06/15/06
They might to some extent. I just don't think it would be t...
haunting theater stage
  06/15/06
VERY BAD NEWS for a lot of testers. On any given sitting,...
Purple thriller knife toaster
  06/15/06
on the other hand you will have many more lower score candi...
Fuchsia Titillating Address
  06/15/06
"12 out of 100 testers at each LSAT were realistic &quo...
self-absorbed bateful school macaca
  06/15/06
There are so many things wrong with this. . .
Violet forum
  06/15/06
yeah... at the end of the day, there is still a normal di...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/16/06
"just have to sit for two more tests." That's t...
heady hairy legs
  06/16/06
um, i would have. you seriously wouldn't have paid an extra ...
Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line
  06/16/06
Good news for many applicants, and very bad news for splitte...
provocative costumed site
  06/15/06
i feel like i'll be a borderline splitter with a somewhat me...
alcoholic spot
  06/16/06
I'm sure that you'll get something out of the cycle, especia...
provocative costumed site
  06/29/06
wait, why is this bad for splitters?
Racy garrison
  06/16/06
Splitters displace qualified applicants whose LSATs are belo...
provocative costumed site
  06/29/06
i already stated that this may happen nearly a month ago... ...
Swashbuckling black fortuitous meteor blood rage
  06/15/06
damn, all i can say is "holla back for deferring one ye...
Stubborn persian
  06/15/06
all I can say is I'm glad I applied this cycle. I bet law sc...
pearly big-titted trust fund juggernaut
  06/16/06
This means $$$ for LSAC. Nice job, ABA. Yet another idioti...
Supple black woman
  06/29/06
Dude LSAC is in there with the Scientologists, what did you ...
odious bronze keepsake machete
  06/29/06


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Date: June 15th, 2006 7:58 AM
Author: twisted affirmative action indirect expression

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/06/aba_to_require_.html

ABA to Require Schools to Report Highest LSAT Scores from Multiple Tests, Rather Than Average Scores

At its June 8-11 meeting in Cleveland, the Council of the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admission to the Bar voted to change its data collection procedures to require law schools in computing the 75th percentile, median, and 25th percentile LSAT scores of their entering classes to report the highest score of matriculants who took the test more than once. The ABA's prior rules had required schools to report the average LSAT score of students who took multiple tests. The rule change follows similar action taken by the Law School Admission Council. Although the change will encourage students to take the LSAT more than once, current LSAC rules limits applicants to three tests in any two-year period.

June 14, 2006 in Law School | Permalink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991381)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:59 AM
Author: curious market nibblets

This is big news...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991386)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:19 PM
Author: mischievous menage police squad

Just a way to make money by administering more LSATs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996067)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:01 AM
Author: Irradiated national

I wonder how much this will up the 75 percentile of the lower T14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991393)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:46 AM
Author: glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike

quite a bit. I suspect at the very top this change won't matter much, but schools like Penn will probably receive a deluge of 160/170 splits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991604)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:12 PM
Author: Insanely creepy den hissy fit

WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992833)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:04 PM
Author: Exhilarant cobalt yarmulke

Wow, Northwestern is going to be a T10 when next year's rankings come out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993277)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant cobalt yarmulke

As a numbers admit, let me just say I'm glad this didn't happen before i applied. Very glad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993579)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:01 AM
Author: Dashing deer antler

this is good news for blue smoke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991397)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:13 AM
Author: startling roast beef

Why? Her 169 is high enough for any LS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991422)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:20 AM
Author: Dashing deer antler

she wants to take it again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991435)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:23 AM
Author: startling roast beef

It would benefit her for law schools to ignore her 169?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991442)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:24 AM
Author: Dashing deer antler

no, but if she fucks up, she still has the higher score.

so she can't lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991444)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:49 AM
Author: startling roast beef

Due to the new policy, will law schools only look at the highest score? Would applicants with a big score discrepancy between more than one testing administration be required to give an explanation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991462)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:52 AM
Author: vermilion chad

Schools can do virtually whatever the hell they want with respect to their admissions processes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991465)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:11 AM
Author: Dun Piazza Wagecucks

have another cup of coffee and wake up and re-read!

what the ruling says is that law schools will have to REPORT the highest LSAT scores. it says nothing about whom they might choose to admit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991494)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:25 AM
Author: Awkward bespoke masturbator idea he suggested

Wake up and re-think dumbass. Schools have incentive to accept those applicants who increase their rankings. Before, a 160-175 split would NOT increase the reported LSAT scores for, say, Chicago. Now, it WOULD increase the reported LSAT scores for, say, Yale. Assuming that at least part of admissions is based on how it influences the class makeup and ranking, then a change in %ile reporting could very well have an effect on admissions. The grandparent is speculating on what those changes would be and inviting half-way intelligent posters to participate in further speculation. Like Toby says, "Go to bed!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991515)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:32 AM
Author: startling roast beef

So a 160 to 172 (average of 166) would be perceived as better by schools than a 170?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991525)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:34 AM
Author: Razzle jet stead

Of course. The 172 is what they would report. It would help their numbers to select that applicant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991528)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:29 AM
Author: Razzle jet stead

Wow. You must suck at connect the dots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991519)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:34 AM
Author: Vigorous Deep Step-uncle's House Feces

Holy shit! This is going to change the admissions prospect for a lot of people. The LSAT just went from a once in a life time test, to a exam you can take until you get a good score.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991529)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:36 AM
Author: Razzle jet stead

Best out of 3 anyway. The OCD kids will love this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991533)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:37 AM
Author: vermilion chad

Not to mention the LSAC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991540)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:36 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

When does it take effect, this coming cycle?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991534)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:37 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

i hope not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991542)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:37 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991545)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:38 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

i have yet to have a formal lsat score on my record. if this change goes into effect this cycle (i.e. on harvard/yale/stanford's websites, they say "we will accept the highest of your lsat scores, we will not average them") people who have already taken it, say, twice, can now take it a third time with little/no pressure and they can apply to schools with three lsats under their belt while i will yet to have taken one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991554)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:40 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

I'm going to take it again probably this September, for a second score, especially if this change takes effect for this coming cycle.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991565)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:41 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

you'd be foolish not to. and this particularly benefits those people who have a 169 or thereabouts and can now take it again with little/no pressure. almost everyone does better on big tasks/tests when they have little/no pressure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991577)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:44 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

Well I have a mid 160s score and it would have been averaged previously, so I really needed to gross double the points to net the score increase that would make taking it again worthwhile, but now I can just get a 168 or 170 and have that score be the one that's considered. I hope hope hope this change takes effect and helps me out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991592)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:49 AM
Author: startling roast beef

How many times have you attempted the LSAT and why do you keep canceling?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991610)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:50 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

took it once, cancelled it once

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991615)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:13 AM
Author: startling roast beef

What do you think you would have scored if you didn't cancel? Why haven't you taken it since?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991703)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:10 AM
Author: topaz brunch

This is a legit fear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991690)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:38 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

wow, so basically everyone who isnt scoring a 175+ will have incentive to take the LSAT three times to see what their best score is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991548)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:38 AM
Author: Racy garrison

hmmmm... just a money making scheme for LSAC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991551)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:40 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

it's kind of nice for students not to have the tremendous pressure to do really well or otherwise cancel if they dont think they did well. but it just made the hypercompetitive world of top-tier LS admissions that much more competitive (and time-consuming).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991563)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:41 PM
Author: Violet forum

Are the ABA and LSAC affiliated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992623)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:38 AM
Author: Vigorous Deep Step-uncle's House Feces

Exactly, this is bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991553)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:39 AM
Author: Razzle jet stead

I predict 95% of AZNs will take this test 3 times now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991555)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:56 PM
Author: chrome nursing home depressive

and people of other races wouldn't?

give me a friggin' break

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992732)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: haunting theater stage

I didn't know you were asian.

Hispanics and blacks, for the most part, probably won't bother. Whites might take it twice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996108)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:41 AM
Author: heady hairy legs

Wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991575)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:43 AM
Author: anal voyeur

will this mess up the curves greatly? what if a lot of low 170s retake the exam again, assuming they score in the 170 plus the new test takers scoring in the 170s, thats a lot of high scorers on a curved exam. not good?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991583)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:44 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

for each high scorer with a 168+ retaking it, you will have 80,000 loser-fucker strivers with a 156 retaking only to see their score fall to a 152.

NB: i will likely fall into the latter category of test-takers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991589)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:44 AM
Author: spectacular territorial box office pozpig

All I can see is a jumble of confusion for the law schools and applicants. Will law schools stop caring about the average? They have incentive to if it's purely a numbers game, but I still think they'll look more highly on the person, as mentioned above, who gets a one-time 170 instead of the guy with a 160 and a 172. I guess we'll see how big of numbers whores these schools really are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991590)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:46 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

this is an interesting proposition. does a LS prefer a one time 170 or a 160/172 split. fascinating. i imagine the upper tier law schools will look more favorably on the 170 while the lower tier law schools looking to up their USNWR ranking might have a propensity to favor the 172 since that candidate will now have a more favorable impact on their 25/median/75 rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991599)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:51 AM
Author: Razzle jet stead

If a school preferred the 170 over the 160/172 they are basically admitting that the LSAT is bullshit. Remember, the LSAT allegedly tests your ability to read and reason. If you are able to score a 172, that is your ability. If you score a 170, that is your ability. The 160 becomes moot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991619)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:45 AM
Author: Motley giraffe

It's very easy to score 10 points below your average on the LSAT. It's almost impossible to score 10 points above it. When you see a 162/176 split, I think you can safely bet that the test-taker's practice average was a lot closer to 176 than 162.

Considering the average completely fucks people who happen to have one or two bad days. Hopefully the revised policy will lead to big changes in admissions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991923)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:49 AM
Author: iridescent point halford

i wonder if this will be retroactive... i.e. people who applied two years ago and got shitty scores can now retake the test and hope they can improve on their 162 and get into a t14.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991608)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:50 AM
Author: topaz brunch

Holy shit. Looks like I'll be re-taking on 9/30

EDIT: probably in December, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991618)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:52 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

Have youd deferred?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991626)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:54 AM
Author: topaz brunch

I sent in my deferral letter. Have yet to hear back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991632)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:54 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

Not satisfied with Vandy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991634)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:55 AM
Author: topaz brunch

USC. I just wanted to travel for a yr before I start on this legal career BS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991636)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:56 AM
Author: Wonderful resort

Oh, sorry. That sounds like fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991642)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:19 AM
Author: Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire

where do you plan to go?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991740)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:22 AM
Author: topaz brunch

Teaching english is seoul starting 7/10. I'll do that for at least 6 months then I'll either stay on or go somewhere else. I'm thinking about getting one of those round the world tickets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991756)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:24 AM
Author: glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike

six months of seoul searching should be enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991767)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:26 AM
Author: Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire

groan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991782)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:29 AM
Author: topaz brunch

I'm thinking so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991805)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:51 AM
Author: brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine

Nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991968)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:52 PM
Author: Concupiscible pontificating native faggotry

ha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993719)





Date: June 15th, 2006 4:25 PM
Author: glittery blathering mental disorder preventive strike

gross. i forgot about this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994513)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:27 AM
Author: Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire

sounds great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991784)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:47 PM
Author: Violet forum

wait. if you defer aren't you barred from applying to other schools during the deferment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992675)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:04 AM
Author: Slippery high-end meetinghouse

Ugh. Are they just trying to make more money for the LSAC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991660)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:12 AM
Author: free-loading violent temple organic girlfriend

organizing, administering, grading tests while keeping it all secure is still very expensive. i doubt they make much money off giving the test out.

HOWEVER, reporting is a completely different story. i bet they get most of their profits from score reporting and registering w/ the LSDAS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991697)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:31 AM
Author: vermilion chad

Administering is cheap. It's a few hundred bucks for the room (often free) and maybe $50 for the proctor. Grading is done automatically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991820)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:20 AM
Author: Multi-colored snowy kitty cat multi-billionaire

this is huge. i definitely would have taken it a second time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991744)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:25 AM
Author: drab aromatic karate abode

I don't think this will matter that much. Sure, more people now have an incentive to retake but how likely is it that someone will get lucky and score 5 - 6 points higher than normal? Not very. On the other hand, it's much easier to have an off day and score 5 to 6 points lower.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991772)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:29 AM
Author: vermilion chad

Why do you presume without justification that the the first score was the "normal" one?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991803)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:49 AM
Author: drab aromatic karate abode

I guess my point was more along the lines of it's unlikely that the number of people scoring really really high is going to dramatically increase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991954)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:53 AM
Author: Motley giraffe

"I guess my point was more along the lines of it's unlikely that the number of people scoring really really high is going to dramatically increase."

Let's arbitarily say that 175 is "really really high." What percentage of people who average 175 while taking prep tests actually end up no more than a couple points below that target on test day? From what I've heard, I'd guess the figure is a lot smaller than you'd think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991981)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:59 AM
Author: vermilion chad

The LSAC releases retake stats. It's pretty much what you'd expect. People who scored really high are more likely to drop on a retest. People who scored really low are more likely to rise on a retest. People in the middle do about the same with a slight bump due to familiarity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992045)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:01 AM
Author: topaz brunch

I remember seeing the stats on that. Do you have a link? or know where to find it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992063)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:50 AM
Author: Motley giraffe

"I don't think this will matter that much... On the other hand, it's much easier to have an off day and score 5 to 6 points lower."

Right. So, if true, this could end up being a very big deal. Many, many people fuck up the LSAT in a big way the first time they take it. Even those people who end up only a few points below their expected score will often have a big incentive to retake (the difference between a 165 and a 168 is often the difference between UMinn and Umich).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5991958)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:56 AM
Author: topaz brunch

*** from delaggios website ****

Good News! Law Services has officially changed their policy on averaging multiple LSAT scores. On Feb. 14, LSAC announced that their Board of Trustees had approved a change in their "Cautionary Policies Concerning LSAT Scores and Related Services." LSAC used to encourage the use of the average of multiple scores. The revised Cautionary Policies are silent on this topic. This change is intended to advise law schools that there is no need to always average multiple LSAT scores, and that they should use their best judgment in deciding which LSAT score best reflects the applicant's potential.

In a quick follow-up to the change in policy, the ABA has scheduled a discussion of whether to require law schools to report averaged LSAT scores of applicants who took the test more than once.

"Law Schools should be aware...that the Questionnaire Committee might recommend...shifting the LSAT reporting requirement in the Annual Questionnaire from the average score to the high score.

"We will not know until ...June ... whether there will be any change in reporting requirements.

"At the very least, this means that if they are not doing so already schools should be collecting in their admissions databases the high score in addition to the average score...."

What this means to you is that, come June of 2006 and later, law schools might look for people with a high second LSAT score to pull from their wait list. So if you have two scores five or more points apart, and you sent most of your apps to schools that take your averaged LSAT scores, you might want to send a few more apps to schools that you're dying to attend and where your higher score is above the median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992018)





Date: June 15th, 2006 10:58 AM
Author: brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine

SWEET!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992033)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:00 AM
Author: topaz brunch

looks like it is in effect now. Could cause some waitlist havoc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992053)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:02 AM
Author: brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine

I would expect mass mailings being planned out from TTTs who want to gobble up some nice LSAT scores and who can now take splitters without damage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992073)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:01 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate

Good, I won't have to cancel at all, I can just retake in September.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992062)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:07 AM
Author: Outnumbered red property tank

*high five*

This is sweet fucking news, esp. considering how badly I fucked up Oct 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992120)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:08 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate

I've been debating all week whether or not to cancel, now I'll just ride it out and go from there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992124)





Date: June 16th, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: Out-of-control Mad-dog Skullcap

same here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5998253)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:08 AM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

Not good. This cycle's going to be madness. If you end up with a 172+, you'll be cursing this change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992122)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:00 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

It's great. Be prepared for more competition from chokers like me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993769)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:27 PM
Author: Violet forum

This is conjecture from a crackpot admissions counselor. It's very much less 'sweet' than the actual ABA announcement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992932)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:59 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

High five.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993763)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:05 AM
Author: topaz brunch

With this change, I think it is in everyone's self-interest to take it three times or until you get a 175+.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992097)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:10 AM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

Yeah, fuck. This sucks. I'm neurotic enough as it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992138)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:12 AM
Author: brindle jet-lagged boiling water shrine

Credited, I think.

And the concept of knowing you have another chance or two to take the exam totally changes the psychology of the fucking test. Till now the LSAT was a PRESSURE exam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992149)





Date: June 15th, 2006 11:17 AM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

I think it's likely that more high-scorers and over-achievers will re-take, making the upper range of scores more competitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992184)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:26 PM
Author: Cracking deranged patrolman

I'm not so sure the consequences won't be ugly.

25-75 scores across the board will increase 2-3 points, thus raising the standard of admission at most schools. Students who achieved an average performance of their practice range on their LSAT will feel compelled to retake to achieve the high end of their range.

This change will intensify competition, not lessen it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992526)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:31 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate

So much more incentive to take the June/Sept LSAT and try and get in to the schools early by applying ASAP, before the re-takers get 173+ in Oct/December

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992548)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:52 PM
Author: Cracking deranged patrolman

As far as strategy for this cycle goes, I would be very much inclined to agree.

Ugh, I was glad it was over. But now I guess I'll have to study again for September, assuming I didn't max out my range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992711)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:06 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate

yeah, I'm feeling the same way (regarding the glad it's over stage), except the weight on me to cancel has just disappeared.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992794)





Date: June 15th, 2006 12:51 PM
Author: frisky center weed whacker

WUSTTTL will have a field day!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992705)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:01 PM
Author: chrome nursing home depressive

this just allayed my fears of the LSAT being an absolute pressure cooker. i'll just take in september, apply to schools, retake in december, and if i'm on a bunch of waitlists or whatnot i'll take it again a third time in february.

the bad part is that LSAT prep is going to become drawn out and all consuming for a number of months, instead of being a short and sweet (3-4 months) process.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992769)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:45 PM
Author: kink-friendly buff state brethren

this is my plan, except ill take it for the first time in june, then re-take in september.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996342)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:10 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

do u guys think that more test takers will now take the test w/ little to no prep???

this seems doubtful to me for a number of reasons but what do u think?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992819)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:11 PM
Author: heady hairy legs

Yes, this is a huge change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992826)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:18 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

well then wouldn't this balance out the effect of high scorers retaking, resulting in little if any scale change??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992866)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:25 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

We'll know soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992917)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:13 PM
Author: seedy church building

Will this affect waitlists for this year? I was a 3.77/166/172 split and I inexplicably just got off the waitlist at chicago. Can I attribute this to the change? will I now get off the waitlists at nyu and columbia?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992837)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:15 PM
Author: topaz brunch

if this isn't flame, I assume the top law schools have figured out what the change meant very quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992852)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:20 PM
Author: seedy church building

its not flame

I just graduated my gpa is now 3.8

do i have a shot at H with 3.8/172? should i defer a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992885)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:25 PM
Author: topaz brunch

yeah of course you ahve a shot at H. I don't know if you should defer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992914)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:26 PM
Author: seedy church building

you think the rule change will affect waitlists for this year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992922)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:27 PM
Author: topaz brunch

Yep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992934)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:28 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

This may be a stupid question, but can you defer a year and then reapply to other schools during that year? If I remember correctly from UG admissions, you'll have to sign some sort of commitment and if you do end up re-applying, you'll be auto-dinged at the other top schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992937)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:22 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

How'd they notify you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992895)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:29 PM
Author: Violet forum

did you send a letter of continued interest?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992942)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:18 PM
Author: Insanely creepy den hissy fit

Under these conditions, I would absolutely have retaken - I didn't because I couldn't afford to drop my score even a point. Too bad I'm already in law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992865)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:27 PM
Author: contagious idiot

This big news. Its also lame because its more $$$ for LSAC and will inflate the higher end scores. All the smart kids who pulled out a 172-175 their first time are screwed... because to keep up with the psycho studier retaking for the fourth time they are going to have to do just that much better.

Everyone is going to start doing multiple LSATS. Terrible. It will make the admissions process just that much crappier.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992929)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:29 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal Lake Roommate

Like I said above, it provides a LOT more pressure for people to take the test early and apply as early as possible for the schools as well, in order to pre-empt those who will be taking the LSAT multiple times.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992941)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:31 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

Agreed. I think this will increase the importance of soft factors, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5992956)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:41 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

por que?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993043)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:37 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

I think it'll be important in scenarios like this:

"Also, does this give Adcoms a reason to consider soft factors more when you have a (171, 167) vs. a (171)?"

As Dr. Eckleburg points, there'll probably be a lot more gunners in 170+ range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993580)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:37 PM
Author: frisky center weed whacker

This could be a blessing in disguise to those who study like hell and take the LSAT only once. There will be many who do not study as hard for this test knowing they can re-take it as many times as they need. Because of this, the curve will drop considerably for each session. This will allow those who prepared adaquately to achieve the top scores while those who did not prep as hard will re-take, continue to post mediocre scores, and will eventually settle or give up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993002)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:40 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

i think if someone retakes they would be more likely than not to score better. If they did poorly the first time, they will most likely change their prep.

hope you're right tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993031)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:41 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

Also, fewer people who knowingly fucked up or had bad days will cancel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993041)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:43 PM
Author: frisky center weed whacker

Exactly.

The curve will soften 3-4 points.

Guaranteed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993066)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:46 PM
Author: topaz brunch

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993105)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:48 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

if u know that u fucked up why would you knowingly keep that blight on your transcript?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993119)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:52 PM
Author: frisky center weed whacker

Because there is always a chance you may not have. Might as well wait and see. If it isn't any good, you re-take with no penalty in admissions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993160)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:01 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

there is still a penalty.

all else being equal, a school will take the X - 170 over the 158 - 170 scorer

the borderline fuck ups would be better of waiting and seeing, but if you knowingly fucked up, still better to cancel as far as i can see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993253)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:34 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

the thing is, most people don't fuck up in a major or obvious way, it's more like "LR was tougher than usual dood" or "i'm nervous about the games, i think i may have missed a couple bcs i was in a hurry-- should i cancel?"

now they won't cancel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993547)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:30 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

sarcashtick, who thinks he fucked on the LR section, was going to cancel; now he's not. i think most people would react similiarly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993513)





Date: June 15th, 2006 1:55 PM
Author: vibrant ladyboy locus

the sat policy has always been this way, correct?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993199)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:09 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

Pretty much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993824)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:08 PM
Author: disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard

Here are some things I can see happening:

-On the one hand it removes the pressure on students to nail the test in one shot, on the other hand it ups the pressure to get a good score since the law of averages wont be dragging down as many students.

-There's probably going to be a rush to register for September as everyone tries to retake for the upcoming cycle who has a shot at higher scores. This next cycle, if this applies, might be really brutal as a result as everyone tries to figure out what it all means.

-From the Adcom perspective this means on the one hand that if they re-eval all their old files the LSAT numbers for their pool of applicants will be boosted across the board

-However, the big change I see is a jump in applications to T14 as everyone rolls the dice and see's what the new rules do to the admissions dynamics. This might increase the pressure on a lot of the applicants who scored well before but now find themselves in the middle of the pack instead of towards the front.

-Basically adcoms can expect to see an increase of apps from what used to be the lower end of their spectrum of applicants

-In the long term, I think this hurts the test prep industry a bit, and you'll see the LSAT score spectrum re-align. I see more people taking the test a first time without seriously prepping since there's no 'screw up once, pwn3d for life" pressure, and as a result a lot more low first time scores, since there'll be less prepping off the bat. THese will be long term re-alignments though. We're gonna have to ride out the storm.

-The real interesting question right now is what happens to all the folks who had low 170's and figured they were locks for T6? Also, does this give Adcoms a reason to consider soft factors more when you have a (171, 167) vs. a (171)? Or if the 167 followed a 171 does the Admissions office take that as a sign you were gunning for HYS and WLpwn you and take the guy who was happy with just the 171? These are trends that will play out later. Right now we're gonna be stuck in gunner-ville.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993317)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:22 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

hopefully the low scorers are smart enough to know and comprehend this rule change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993437)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:35 PM
Author: disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard

there's a reason why LSD exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993554)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:27 PM
Author: haunting theater stage

I don't think it will hurt test prep. If people are taking the exam multiple times, they'll probably get more prep overall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996127)





Date: June 16th, 2006 11:19 AM
Author: Racy garrison

it may balance out - a lot more people will use a real exam as practice before committing to a studying regime and cost of a course/books. Some group of them will see a terrible score and just decide to go to nursing school or something. But you're right, more multiple tests may mean more duplicated prep for the same testers. But testprep companies are going to have to rethink their repeat course policies. They've been fairly lenient up til now, but they may not want to give up that revenue possibility so easily now, if that group is going to grow substantially. But again, as with first time testers, that group may be less willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money (now a second time) without that fear/pressure of the impact of a bad score on your average.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000447)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:19 PM
Author: beady-eyed effete pit people who are hurt

Wow. This is a huge change. I was a 161/172, 3.97 splitter. Granted I got into my first choice, but I didn't even bother applying to Yale or pursuing Harvard after the deferral/waitlist. If only I had waited a year...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993413)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:39 PM
Author: rebellious newt

Anyone have data for LSAT retakers in the past?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993598)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:44 PM
Author: rambunctious mediation cumskin

The paper practice test LSAC gives out (or use to give out) has it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993637)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:50 PM
Author: rebellious newt

Got it, thanks.

http://lsac.org/pdfs/2006-2007/informationbk2006.pdf (p.18)

Seems that after the 168ish range, very few people really go up. I think this may be more of an issue for the 150-165 people who need a few more points (consequently raising the 25th precentile more than the 75 percentile).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993692)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:17 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

It also shows that very few people in the 169+ range bother to retake. That may well change now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993884)





Date: June 15th, 2006 6:31 PM
Author: iridescent point halford

this exchange would make a great "Weaken" LR question.

please shoot me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995745)





Date: June 28th, 2006 9:15 PM
Author: Demanding international law enforcement agency

aha. i like the guy that got a 179, retook, and got 174. The guy with 139 who jumped to 170-180 is impressive too. Bubbling mistake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6097560)





Date: June 15th, 2006 2:57 PM
Author: Cracking deranged patrolman

I disagree that a softening of the curve on individual tests will cancel out anything.

I agree that the curve on each individual test will soften 3-4 points, perhaps even more.

However, what will matter will be the new "curve" of all the highest scores put together for a given admissions cycle. And this curve is going to shoot up tremendously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993751)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:03 PM
Author: frisky center weed whacker

You are overestimating the persistence and work ethic of TTT students. After one or two mediocre efforts, most will settle.

Project yourself into the mind of the TTT moron. If the ultimatim never exists (you have one chance, failure is not an option) the motivation to study hard for it won't either. There is always next time!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993788)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:10 PM
Author: disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard

The relevant demographic are the people who are testing between high 160's low 170's on practices and get a the high 160's on the actual test. They'll retest until they get a break into the 170's. The question is how many people is this and how many people will do it. This is in turn will probably push the "safe zone" of scores from 170-172 to 172-173.

Furthermore, past data on retest score improvements is useless since the number of retesters probably fell precipitously as the score got higher. The risk-reward ratio was heavily skewed towards not retaking for fear of getting selfpwn3d.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993828)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:13 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

"The relevant demographic are the people who are testing between high 160's low 170's on practices and get a the high 160's on the actual test."

You're still probably overestimating the motivation of most students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993857)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:19 PM
Author: Cracking deranged patrolman

I agree with the Doctor. You're talking about TTT students, but students who are scoring in the high 160s or better, for the most part, did not get there by being lazy morons.

I probably got around a 170 on the June test, and I will probably study my ass off to score around a 172-3 on the September test, though I would never have even thought to do that before this new policy.

And there are thousands of students who scored just like me who will react just like me, thus raising the bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993895)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:21 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

I think you're probably overestimating the returns to further study. I don't think many people need more than 30 hours of smart study to reach their peak. More importantly, the role of chance and nerves should diminish significantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993926)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:57 PM
Author: disrespectful sadistic haunted graveyard

In the long term yes, but right now there's going to be a general rush, and I think especially so in the demographic I just mentioned. They have the most to gain, and now have absolutely nothing to lose. Unless I broke 171, I might be tempted to retake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994219)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:19 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

I actually talked to someone at the desk of Michigan's admissions office today. He said that he'd recently received an email from Sarah Z. regarding ABA changes (though he apparently hadn't yet read through it carefully).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993900)





Date: June 16th, 2006 2:54 AM
Author: Turquoise Rehab Useless Brakes

Hey! Thanks for adding nothing.

131. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5999255)





Date: June 17th, 2006 5:25 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

It was further non-conclusory evidence at a time when some were skeptical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6008578)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:30 PM
Author: alcoholic spot

One question:

Has this news gotten out to the general public yet? How closely are LS applicants following this recent development? When will test takers start to explode with registrations for the September administration?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5993987)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:38 PM
Author: Concupiscible pontificating native faggotry

in a few years, it will seem ridiculous that i got into hls with my lsat score

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994051)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:41 PM
Author: Motley giraffe

Not really. They don't have much room to move their LSAT scores upwards, and probably also don't have much inclination. But they might not have to accept as many 3.6/175 splitters in the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994068)





Date: June 15th, 2006 3:42 PM
Author: abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness

I woulda retaken my 171 to get into Yale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994077)





Date: June 15th, 2006 4:12 PM
Author: Pearl passionate principal's office

I would have retaken too. I scored about 5 points lower on my real LSAT than I was doing consistenly in practice. But I didn't want to do it again for fear I'd go even lower. This removes that fear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994371)





Date: June 15th, 2006 4:24 PM
Author: abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness

Am I right to assume this helps schools 2-6 the most? They'll create more separation between them and the rest of the "T14" by virtue of having to accept less people from their 25% range and move their median towards the 75% range that they are at now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994497)





Date: June 15th, 2006 6:44 PM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

no. there will be no effect, positive or negative, on any particular school once the transition is complete. students will each have a single reportable number, and those numbers will be normally distributed across students. the only thing that is changing is how that reportable number is computed per student. since there is ample room in the score range for the scores to rise, i.e. no school has a median score that is kissing the 180 end of the range, the absolute LSAT medians may increase but no school will gain a relative advantage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995830)





Date: June 15th, 2006 4:29 PM
Author: apoplectic area milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994552)





Date: June 15th, 2006 4:39 PM
Author: sooty diverse becky

This is awesome news.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5994643)





Date: June 15th, 2006 5:15 PM
Author: Razzmatazz crackhouse

Just when I thought I was destined for a life at one of WUSTL/Minnesota/UIUC/ND/W&L, something comes along to give me a bit of hope.

Practice range: 165-176 (mean of 171)

Feb 06: 167

Goal for Sept: 172

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995013)





Date: June 15th, 2006 5:17 PM
Author: topaz brunch

Congrats and good luck!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995036)





Date: June 15th, 2006 5:21 PM
Author: sooty diverse becky

How are you preparing for September? I have to do the same freaking thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995072)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:17 PM
Author: Razzmatazz crackhouse

The first time around I didn't do any of the preptests past 39 and got destroyed on RC. It was my best section in the old preptests, but because it was so different on the new tests I ran out of time and had to flat guess the last 5 questions. I think I probably made 6-8 errors on that one section. To improve, I'm going to do tests 40+ to get a better feel for the slight changes in LR and really focus on improving my speed in RC. I think I might play around with a few different strategies and see if one of them makes me faster. For the older RC sections all I did was read the passage thoroughly, without marking/underlining, then answer the questions while refering back to the passage when needed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996048)





Date: June 15th, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: Cerebral lodge stain

Yay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995865)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:08 PM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

pros:

-the test will no longer be such a psychotic pressure cooker. i really can't express how horrifying i found the situation not just as an applicant but also in hindsight. the amount of pressure on students during those three hours was fucking perverse.

-luck will play a diminished role for an individual student, since increasing the number of trials tightens the variance. this would happen more if they required three tests and still reported the average, but that would be a bad idea for a number of reasons and this accomplishes much of the same without many of the disadvantages.

-the increased cost (in convenience and in dollars) will mean that fewer people apply to law school on a whim, and the seats in law school will be more efficiently allocated to those who are at least determined enough to go through a costlier application process. those that opt out of this increased cost by taking the test only once will face a competitive disadvantage.

cons:

-taking the test three times will be a huge hassle, particularly if they don't offer them more frequently. a student who wants to have all three trials finished by the time applications start going out during his senior year in college will have to begin taking the test in june before his junior year, a full year earlier than before. this means that he will have to begin studying toward the end of his sophomore year.

-relatedly, taking the LSAT will now take a full year plus studying time and will cost triple what it used to, at least for students who don't get fee waivers from LSAC.

things that will not change:

-no school worth talking about will be advantaged or disadvantaged relative to its peers, since while the absolute scores reported may increase, they will still be normally distributed across students and the schools' competition for the students at the upper end of the curve will be unaffected

overall i think this is a good change. on an individual level, any serious law school applicant should be willing to pay $300 and three days' time to purchase a decreased variance in score, which is what this essentially is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5995987)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: abnormal chocolate library twinkling uncleanness

this is a nice analysis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996059)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:21 PM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

why thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996087)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:23 PM
Author: Violet forum

"at least for students who don't get fee waivers from LSAC."

I wonder what LSAC's policy is regarding fee waivers for repeaters. My guess is they only let you waive once.

"any serious law school applicant should be willing to pay $300 and three days' time to purchase a decreased variance in score, which is what this essentially is."

unless they hit it out of the park the first time. . .

I wonder if we'll start to see people seriously bragging that a 178-179-177 makes them more desirable than a one-time 179er.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996092)





Date: June 16th, 2006 8:29 AM
Author: Histrionic cruise ship marketing idea

I'm not sure that reducing the pressure of the exam is a pro. My impression was that the lsat was designed in part to measure how well you perform under pressure. The kids who can handle the pressure are the ones who deserve to be in top schools, as they will have the most important positions in the future, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5999745)





Date: June 16th, 2006 8:32 AM
Author: heady hairy legs

I don't know if that is how it was designed, but I wouldnt doubt it. I know there is one study that says the LSAT's predictive quality is almost solely determined by the ability to perform well under time pressure. Not sure if the change would alter this, as it's still an exam with lots of time pressure. The overall stressor would be reduced, but that could even lower scores if people don't prep at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5999753)





Date: June 16th, 2006 10:58 AM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

under time pressure, yes.

under holy-shit-if-i-screw-up-once-my-entire-life-is-ruined pressure, i hope not.

the latter is even more twisted when you consider that it gives a huge advantage to people who don't really want to go to law school and are taking the test on a whim, since they don't feel the awful weight of their future resting on the tip of their pencil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000375)





Date: June 16th, 2006 11:07 AM
Author: Racy garrison

This is so credited. I was extremely chill when I took the test because I thought I probably wouldn't go to law school. I guarantee it helped by performance. People around me were having heart attacks, and I just had a mild adrenaline rush. Now, I'm not the type to get phsyically ill at exams, but I was calmer than I should have been.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000395)





Date: June 16th, 2006 11:05 AM
Author: Racy garrison

interesting breakdown, but you do assume that everyone will take it three times. A lot of similar cost benefit analysis is going to go into a decision to retake that happens now, just shifted down. I mean, if someone scores a 165, and they think that 3 months more of studying constantly and the extra money for the test (and possibly a class or tutoring or whatever) will net them a 166, it's probably still not worth it. Before it wasn't worth it unless you thought you could pull near 170, but it was the same evaluation.

You may know you've hit close to your peak, even if you'd prefer it be higher. Or you may know you got incredibly lucky and scored above your range, and you're not going to pull that off again. Or you may have gotten a 180, so there's no point. (Okay, so that's a small group, but still).

I don't think the cost is going to go up for everyone, just for people who 1) are deluded they can improve a ton by next time 2) realize they didn't study enough and actually CAN improve by next time and 3) people who freak out and fuck up the test, scoring below their range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000392)





Date: June 18th, 2006 11:32 PM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

no way dude. the test has a margin of error. even if you do no additional studying at all, there is a chance that just taking it again will net you a higher score because you'll pick a luckier letter of the day. is it worth it to pay an extra $100 and sit for an extra saturday morning to go up one point? fuck yeah.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6016222)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:30 PM
Author: haunting theater stage

This would be BS. Perhaps the best thing about the LSAT is that it determines who has nerves of steel, and who doesn't.

Ultimately, however, I don't think schools will simply take the highest score. The average is a better indicator of your true ability, which is what they're primarily looking for. Keep in mind that top schools focused on high LSAT's even before USNews began ranking schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996162)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:34 PM
Author: Violet forum

i agree, except that i think the point made several times above--that this change frees them up to focus more on soft factors--is accurate.

they won't disregard the lower score, but they will be more likely to take interesting candidates who's average would be lower than they'd otherwise like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996220)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:40 PM
Author: haunting theater stage

They might to some extent. I just don't think it would be the sea change some people expect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996284)





Date: June 15th, 2006 7:49 PM
Author: Purple thriller knife toaster

VERY BAD NEWS for a lot of testers.

On any given sitting, only the top 2% get a 170+.

Let say, for example, that in past years, 12 out of 100 testers at each LSAT were realistic "contenders" for hitting 170+ (the top 2 spots).

This new system would undoubtedly give contenders an incentive to take as many tests as possible. So it may result in a situation where instead of you being one out of 12 contenders vying for 2 spots, you're now fighting against 24 other contenders for those same 2 spots.

Sure, you'd have more chances to get a higher score, but the CURVE would undoubtedly change to reflect the higher number of contenders/LSAT Gurus sitting in on every test.

Perhaps under the new system, 10 mistakes would only get you a 163, whereas in the past, you'd expect something closer to a 170.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996382)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:38 PM
Author: Fuchsia Titillating Address

on the other hand you will have many more lower score candidates as well. additionally fewer will cancel their score. also there may very well be more test takers going in w/out any prep at all, saying to themselves, Might as well give it a shot, nothing to lose...

it may all add up to very little subsantive scale change.

or it may fuck us all over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996718)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:43 PM
Author: self-absorbed bateful school macaca

"12 out of 100 testers at each LSAT were realistic "contenders" for hitting 170+ (the top 2 spots)."

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996755)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:49 PM
Author: Violet forum

There are so many things wrong with this. . .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996787)





Date: June 16th, 2006 1:47 AM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

yeah...

at the end of the day, there is still a normal distribution among students. if you can be in the top x% under the pre-change distribution, there is no reason you can't do it under the post-change distribution. just have to sit for two more tests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5998954)





Date: June 16th, 2006 8:00 AM
Author: heady hairy legs

"just have to sit for two more tests."

That's the key. Who wants to do this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5999689)





Date: June 16th, 2006 11:04 AM
Author: Boyish Emerald Stage Personal Credit Line

um, i would have. you seriously wouldn't have paid an extra two days and $200 to reduce the statistical variance of the test by a couple of points? LSAC themselves report an error range of plus or minus three points, which is huge on an individual level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000388)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:19 PM
Author: provocative costumed site

Good news for many applicants, and very bad news for splitters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996597)





Date: June 16th, 2006 12:28 AM
Author: alcoholic spot

i feel like i'll be a borderline splitter with a somewhat mediocre gpa...if this is gonna hurt me, i'm gonna cry!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5998426)





Date: June 29th, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: provocative costumed site

I'm sure that you'll get something out of the cycle, especially since the change hasn't taken effect for a long time yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6105408)





Date: June 16th, 2006 11:09 AM
Author: Racy garrison

wait, why is this bad for splitters?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6000400)





Date: June 29th, 2006 5:53 PM
Author: provocative costumed site

Splitters displace qualified applicants whose LSATs are below the median. If you can take the LSAT over and over again, the value of the LSAT score will be diluted and splitters will lose out to retakers with high GPAs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6105395)





Date: June 15th, 2006 8:44 PM
Author: Swashbuckling black fortuitous meteor blood rage

i already stated that this may happen nearly a month ago...

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=419835&mc=57&forum_id=2#5821832

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996758)





Date: June 15th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: Stubborn persian

damn, all i can say is "holla back for deferring one year!" I'm going to take in sept, try to bump score a notch or two, and then aim for HYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5996958)





Date: June 16th, 2006 1:08 AM
Author: pearly big-titted trust fund juggernaut

all I can say is I'm glad I applied this cycle. I bet law school is going to be significantly harder to get into, numerically, than it is now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#5998690)





Date: June 29th, 2006 5:44 PM
Author: Supple black woman

This means $$$ for LSAC. Nice job, ABA. Yet another idiotic decision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6105266)





Date: June 29th, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: odious bronze keepsake machete

Dude LSAC is in there with the Scientologists, what did you expect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=435120&forum_id=2#6105404)