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Prayer does nothing; consider the millions who prayed during the Holodomor

all of these people were religious Christians, their prayers...
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
You cannot petition the Lord with prayer
rusted dragon indirect expression
  01/25/21
how can one petition the Lord?
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
https://youtu.be/U4_uu4W6IjY
rusted dragon indirect expression
  01/25/21
read the Talmud
razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe
  01/25/21
You ask God what he wants you to do.
Shimmering French Chef
  01/25/21
so God wanted the victims of the Holodomor to die?
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
he hoped we would be better than that, but letting god down ...
Shimmering French Chef
  01/25/21
so basically if God marks you to death what does that say ab...
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
People suffer for reasons other then free will. What about p...
Razzle useless rehab
  01/25/21
Running probably more effective.
Shimmering French Chef
  01/25/21
It's hard to run when the building you're in just collapsed ...
Razzle useless rehab
  01/26/21
Pray for acceptance and a good death.
Shimmering French Chef
  01/26/21
Sorry, your legs broke in the fall and your internal injurie...
Opaque really tough guy
  01/26/21
Ok but Holodomor is a hoax invented by ukrainians 50 years a...
Galvanic Parlor Pervert
  01/25/21
bro...
irradiated son of senegal
  01/25/21
My wife is Ukrainian so I get to say things like this.
Galvanic Parlor Pervert
  01/25/21
does she bust your balls about the holocaust? lol.
irradiated son of senegal
  01/25/21
No but I throw the pogroms in her face whenever we have a di...
Galvanic Parlor Pervert
  01/25/21
lmao
irradiated son of senegal
  01/25/21
Remind her and yourself that God is outside time
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
shalom
razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe
  01/25/21
...
Galvanic Parlor Pervert
  01/25/21
Prayer gives strength and goes to the core of our humanity, ...
Shimmering French Chef
  01/25/21
this thread is about things that actually happened though
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
everyone dies dude
razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe
  01/25/21
Someone explain Philippians 4:6
Razzle useless rehab
  01/25/21
Deuteronomy 32:35. Romans 12:19
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
anxiety shows distrust in the Lord.
irradiated son of senegal
  01/25/21
Counterpoints: 1. Consider millions who prayed and did no...
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
Stalin died at age 74 after being in power for 30 years. He...
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
A crippled isolated paranoiac who died while being pissed on...
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
What's the point of even believing in god - I am sure some o...
racy crimson striped hyena
  01/25/21
This is like asking what's the point in believing in gravity...
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
People don’t pray to gravity
Opaque really tough guy
  01/25/21
cr as a pragmatic matter believing in gravity is not like be...
chartreuse misunderstood police squad electric furnace
  01/25/21
what do you mean by "believing as a pragmatic matter&qu...
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
Please note if you think about it part.
obsidian cuckoldry
  01/25/21
So if there is a god and he decides to fuck me hard despite ...
racy crimson striped hyena
  01/26/21
god does not intervene in human events. prayer is to seek a...
abnormal avocado dilemma cuckold
  01/26/21
6 million Jews died in the Holodomor
Fear-inspiring roast beef step-uncle's house
  01/26/21
More like HOMOdomor
Soul-stirring Locale
  01/26/21
...
Opaque really tough guy
  01/26/21
there's no rational or experiential evidence to support the ...
primrose electric cruise ship
  01/26/21
...
abnormal avocado dilemma cuckold
  01/26/21
it's an odd thing to believe based on no evidence at all
Opaque really tough guy
  01/26/21
especially when we have retrofitted "belief" to me...
primrose electric cruise ship
  01/26/21
...
Startled stage
  01/26/21
This. The OP begs the question by presupposing the materiali...
self-centered rambunctious main people degenerate
  01/26/21
Talking about the “Holodomor” will get you notic...
Passionate base
  01/26/21
that's really all it is though
Galvanic Parlor Pervert
  01/26/21


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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:42 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

all of these people were religious Christians, their prayers were ignored and they died because Satanic Stalin decreed that they die

just like in that case, prayer won't save you when the Satanic Jews at the top of government come for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824517)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:49 PM
Author: rusted dragon indirect expression

You cannot petition the Lord with prayer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824540)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:50 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

how can one petition the Lord?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824548)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:50 PM
Author: rusted dragon indirect expression

https://youtu.be/U4_uu4W6IjY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824552)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:50 PM
Author: razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe

read the Talmud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824554)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:52 PM
Author: Shimmering French Chef

You ask God what he wants you to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824560)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:53 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

so God wanted the victims of the Holodomor to die?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824567)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:56 PM
Author: Shimmering French Chef

he hoped we would be better than that, but letting god down is part of free will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824588)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:57 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

so basically if God marks you to death what does that say about the nature of God and of prayer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824593)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:58 PM
Author: Razzle useless rehab

People suffer for reasons other then free will. What about praying to escape a natural disaster alive?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824599)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:56 PM
Author: Shimmering French Chef

Running probably more effective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824861)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 10:24 AM
Author: Razzle useless rehab

It's hard to run when the building you're in just collapsed on you from an earthquake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826609)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 2:38 PM
Author: Shimmering French Chef

Pray for acceptance and a good death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41828378)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 2:39 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

Sorry, your legs broke in the fall and your internal injuries will kill you over a multi-day period

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41828383)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:50 PM
Author: Galvanic Parlor Pervert

Ok but Holodomor is a hoax invented by ukrainians 50 years after it allegedly happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824553)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:57 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

bro...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824595)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Galvanic Parlor Pervert

My wife is Ukrainian so I get to say things like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824693)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

does she bust your balls about the holocaust? lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824699)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:18 PM
Author: Galvanic Parlor Pervert

No but I throw the pogroms in her face whenever we have a disagreement. She's such an anti semite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824708)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:45 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824830)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:20 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

Remind her and yourself that God is outside time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824716)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:58 PM
Author: razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe

shalom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824602)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Galvanic Parlor Pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824695)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:51 PM
Author: Shimmering French Chef

Prayer gives strength and goes to the core of our humanity, as Viktor Frankl said of his time in a concentration camp:

"Our generation is realistic, for we have come to know man as he really is. After all, man is that being who invented the gas chambers of Auschwitz; however, he is also that being who entered those gas chambers upright, with the Lord's Prayer or the Shema Yisrael on his lips."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824558)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:52 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

this thread is about things that actually happened though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824565)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:54 PM
Author: razzmatazz shaky public bath sweet tailpipe

everyone dies dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824578)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:56 PM
Author: Razzle useless rehab

Someone explain

Philippians 4:6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824589)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:06 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

Deuteronomy 32:35. Romans 12:19

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824648)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:08 PM
Author: irradiated son of senegal

anxiety shows distrust in the Lord.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824660)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:03 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

Counterpoints:

1. Consider millions who prayed and did not die

2. Consider that NKVD/Red Army/KP apparatus was turned over several times just before the war, and by that I mean imagine taking a position while knowing that all five people sitting at your desk were shot after a year or two.

3. Consider what WWII did to many involved in Holodomor

4. Consider that post WWII Ukrainian peasants lived relatively prosperous life, among general USSR misery

5. Consider that Lenin died from brain syphilis and Stalin died while being urinated on.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824630)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:07 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

Stalin died at age 74 after being in power for 30 years. He suffered no repercussions from the Holodomor and he ordered it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824652)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:11 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

A crippled isolated paranoiac who died while being pissed on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824677)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: racy crimson striped hyena

What's the point of even believing in god - I am sure some of those people believed until the end.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824696)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:18 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

This is like asking what's the point in believing in gravity, if you think about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824706)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:21 PM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

People don’t pray to gravity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824724)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: chartreuse misunderstood police squad electric furnace

cr as a pragmatic matter believing in gravity is not like believing in god at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824727)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:37 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

what do you mean by "believing as a pragmatic matter"?

I think there is confusion in this sub-thread where believing is mistaken for praying mistaken for "demanding things I want or else there is no God"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824795)



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Date: January 25th, 2021 10:30 PM
Author: obsidian cuckoldry

Please note if you think about it part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41824774)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 7:44 PM
Author: racy crimson striped hyena

So if there is a god and he decides to fuck me hard despite my being pious and praying, what is the point of believing in him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41830366)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 1:02 AM
Author: abnormal avocado dilemma cuckold

god does not intervene in human events. prayer is to seek alignment between self and the divine; intervention is beyond what is possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41825385)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 1:07 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring roast beef step-uncle's house

6 million Jews died in the Holodomor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41825403)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 3:03 AM
Author: Soul-stirring Locale

More like HOMOdomor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41825606)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 10:21 AM
Author: Opaque really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826587)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 10:24 AM
Author: primrose electric cruise ship

there's no rational or experiential evidence to support the claim, but faith depends on the claim: death is not the worst thing

if youre a man of true faith, you dont pray to avoid death. you pray for more faith, more charity, and the salvation of souls

to do that, you have to believe death is not some evil to be avoided at all costs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826606)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:14 AM
Author: abnormal avocado dilemma cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826852)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:17 AM
Author: Opaque really tough guy

it's an odd thing to believe based on no evidence at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826869)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:19 AM
Author: primrose electric cruise ship

especially when we have retrofitted "belief" to mean reliance on hypotheses subjected to the scientific method.

that particular definition of belief has its merits, but its historically situated and maybe not all-encompassing.

but there's no doubt about it, to have faith means to believe in way that's different -- and alien -- to modern minds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826876)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:18 AM
Author: Startled stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826873)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:22 AM
Author: self-centered rambunctious main people degenerate

This. The OP begs the question by presupposing the materialist position that death is the ultimate evil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826890)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 11:19 AM
Author: Passionate base

Talking about the “Holodomor” will get you noticed by the SPLC/ADL. It’s generally viewed as a down low antisemetic way to deemphasize the Holocaust

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41826878)



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Date: January 26th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Galvanic Parlor Pervert

that's really all it is though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4748899&forum_id=2#41828609)