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An XO Treatise on American Rye Whiskey
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Date: June 18th, 2021 9:45 AM Author: Jade nursing home basckground and early history:
the most popular american whiskey is bourbon. a mashbill for a whiskey is the allocation of grains a whiskey contains. bourbon must majority corn. (jack daniels meets all the legal requirements for bourbon, and is thus essentially a bourbon by flavor profile despite choosing not to label itself a bourbon, and for the purposes of this i will be classifying it as bourbon). bourbon is by far the most popular american made whiskey. rye whiskey be majority rye. the mashbill for bourbon is a mostly corn, a small amount of barley for helping with fermentation, and a flavoring grain, which is almost always rye. a bourbon whiskey will often be something like 80% corn, 15% rye, 5% barley.
until around the 1980s, american whiskey was extremely popular in america and across the globe. around the 80s tastes began to change, and people started moving over to vodka and other hard liquors. because whiskey needs to be aged, manufactures must anticipate their demand years in advance. as demand dropped, a glut appeared. distilleries had way more barrels of whiskey aging than they could sell. this resulted in a massive consolidation in the industry. distilleries closed down and brands were sold to other distilleries. the most famous of which was stitzel weller, the producer of old fitzgerald and most famously the van winkle line of bourbons. old fitz was bought by heaven hill and van winkle eventually made it's way to buffalo trace. but the point is that brands and distilleries were massively shifted. at this time, rye was extremely unpopular. it was known as your grand father's drink. before the 80s there was a wide variety of rye whiskeys. by the 2010s there were very few. and the ones existed were almost always "barley legal" ryes, that is, where the rye mashbill was only 51% rye. essentially, about one day a year, distilleries would alter their normal bourbon mashbill with enough rye that it could be legally called a rye, and bam! there's their rye whiskey.
2000s:
around the mid 2000s, american whiskey slowly began a resurgence in popularity. however, tastes and consumption changed very slowly. manufactures still had a lot of stock of aged barrels of whiskey that they couldn't sell. extra premium american whiskey was extremely unpopular. you were unlikely to find much whiskey on the shelf aged over 8 years. american whiskey over 10 years old had a vanishingly niche market.
some new, upstart bottlers emerged willing to buy the old stock of distilleries. this includes brands like willett, jeffersons, and michtners. these small brands would buy a few barrels of old stock a distillery couldn't sell, bottle it under their label as a premium product, and sell it to discerning customers. these bottles often were like $30 or so, and now sell for thousands of dollars. also, the age statement on american whiskey refers only to youngest whiskey in the bottle. manufacturers at this time would often dump a lot of their old whiskey into bottles. bottles of whiskey produced before 2010 often contain very old whiskey, and you can often see bottles of shit like wild turkey from the 90s now selling amongst private traders for hundreds or thousands of dollars. dusty hunters emerged during this time, scouring liquor stores for bottles of whiskey that had remained on the shelf for decades. collections now worth millions were bought for hundreds, as these people bought bottles of whiskey from the 60s that had sat on liquor store shelves for generations.
but rye was still your grandfather's drink. aficionados liked it, but there was not enough demands for distilleries to do anything but make their barely legal rye. there were two sources of "real" rye whiskey.
1) canada. canadian whiskey is almost always a blend of many different mashbills. one of the mashbills they make for blending is a 100% rye. higher rye whiskeys are more popular in canada too. rye has always been more popular in the north because it thrives in colder weather. canadians kept drinking their rye or higher rye canadian whiskeys.
2) MGP. MGP (Midwest Grain Products of Indiana) is a contract distillery. they distill a lot of shit, from hand sanitizer to whiskey. they don't (at least, not until recently) make their own products. they make products for other distilleries or brands. almost all the craft whiskey you buy, and some stuff from big labels, comes from mgp. they're huge. one of the products they make is a 95% rye whiskey. around the mid 2000s, some upstart distilleries/brands started buying up mgp's 95% rye and bottling it. brands like smooth ambler and belle meade. the market for rye was still small, but it was starting to envolve past "your grandfather's whiskey" around the 2010s. MGP rye from this time period now sells for many hundreds of dollars.
2010s:
the american whiskey boom is starting to take off. you can now start seeing rye whiskey on liquor store shelves outside of stores that cater to whiskey enthusiasts. however, all the big american manufactures still only make "barely legal" rye. an important thing to remember is that distilleries cannot react immediately to consumer demand because their products require aging.
around the mid 2000s, a huckster by the name of Raj Peter Bhakta appeared on the scene. bhakta is a serial dumbshit entrepreneur that appeared on the apprentice in 2004. despite having no knowledge of the whiskey industry, he decided to start his own rye whiskey distillery. how does one who knows nothing about whiskey start a distillery, especially when it will take several years of aging for the product you make to be legally sold? you buy it from somewhere else. raj is not the first one to come up with this idea, but he is probably the most successful. he calls his distillery whistle pig. and while everyone else is buying 95% rye from mgp, he found an even more interesting source. canada. canada had YUGE warehouses full of 100% rye that is used as a flavoring blend for shit like canada club. raj comes in and offers to buy a bunch of it. and the canadians are happy to unload it. raj bottles this whiskey meant for bottom shelf canadian whiskey into a fancy bottle, charges $70 for it, and BAM! around the 2010s this whiskey becomes a great success. he got really lucky, he was the only one making a extra-aged high rye rye whiskey (although no one seemed to wonder how a company founded in 2006 could be producing 10 year old rye whiskey in the early 2010s...)
by the mid 2010s rye had exploded. but still, all big manufacturers only had barely legal 51% rye. old overton, rittenhouse, sazerac, wild turkey rye, etc... all 51%. basically a bourbon. but mgp had been selling their 95% rye by the boat loads. around 2015 the supply of aged rye whiskeys began to drop. you used to be able to find a 10 year old scout rye on the shelf for $40. now, they were nowhere to be found. the supply was exhausted.
the story today and takeaways:
rye whiskey is still surging in popularity, but supply is very low for older stuff. if you go to private traders you can spend hundreds of dollars on rye from a couple years ago that used to go for $40. you're not finding any premium rye on the shelf at a decent price at any liquor store today. but if you're going to go buy rye, which should you get?
MGP 95%. i put this in it's own category because it encompasses the vast, vast majority of rye whiskey. almost no craft distillery is making and marketing it's own whiskey. it's almost all bought by MGP. exceptions include old scout and willett (historically they've been all MGP, but they started distilling in the mid 2010s, and now their product is coming of age). if you see a 95% rye whiskey, it's MGP. this includes bulleit. it's ALL THE SAME. MGP even ages it for most of their customers. if you're sitting around arguing what's better between bulleit rye, or new riff, or prichards, or sagamore... you're a retard. they're ALL THE SAME. exception for some companies that take MGP rye and do something special with it. for example, high west will rebarrel mgp rye into port barrels and other things to add something to it. redevous rye, however, is just pure old mgp. mgp rye is VERY well respected in the bourbon community and is great stuff. but just be aware that almost all the brands of rye you see exactly the same.
whistle pig: bhakta is a retard that go lucky. but it turns on canadian 100% rye is very good. is it $70 good? not really, but there really aren't a lot of products out there competing with it you can get on the shelf, so go for it. whistle pig is one of the most deceptive brands on the market. lots of whiskey is smoke and mirrors, but these guys take it to another level. for example, their "farmhouse" whiskey (made on their farm!) contains like 1% whistlepig distilled whiskey. buy their premium products with caution.
sazerac/old overton/rittenhouse/wild turkey rye: these are the american rye whiskeys made by the big american distilleries. they are all "barley legal" 51% rye whiskey. but, hey, they're pretty fucking good. sazerac (buffalo trace) makes an 18 year version that is really fucking good. and rittenhouse at one time released their old 21 year+ stock. but it isn't really going to tickle your "rye whiskey" fancy if you get really into rye. they taste like really high rye bourbon to me. if you're going to "have some rye", go with bulleit or something.
woodford reserve/old forester: one small thing to whiskey peeps: woodford reserve bourbon is complete flame. brown foreman, the parent company of jack daniels, also makes old forester and woodford. woodford's "premium" appeal is that it's made in pot stills. what they don't tell you is that it's 98% old forester with a dash of the pot still whiskey. it's flame, don't buy it. it's fine, tastes great, but it's not a "premium" product. however, they've recently released a 65% rye that is pretty fucking good. conensus seems to be that old forester rye and woodford are exactly the same. pretty good stuff, stick with the old forester.
col e h taylor: col taylor is made by buffalo trace. until recently, all rye made from buffalo trace has been 51%. col e h taylor is higher than that, the mashbill hasn't been released by i'd peg it around 70%. this is probably the best rye on the market for my money. sadly, it has very recently become impossible to buy due to demand. if you see it on the shelf for $70 scoop it up.
i think that just about covers it. 95% of american whiskey is flame and smoke and mirrors. rye whiskey is probably the worst of all because it went from "no one drinks this shit" to "zomg i love rye" in about 10 years. |
Date: June 18th, 2021 4:20 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650631) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:31 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk Guess I'm retarded for falling for the rye hype? Didn't really occur to me that rye interest was on the rise. Is this coming at the expense of bourbon interest?
Though I think I came at it organically. A friend got me into Manhattans and reading about them I realized rye was the original way to make them, so I looked into buying rye, bought a bottle and really enjoyed the spiciness compared to bourbon I've only had bulleit, Woodford reserve, high west double rye, and Woodinville rye to date. High west probably my favorite. Thanks for making me feel like a chump lol. Had whistle pig on my list but guess I'll avoid it |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:40 PM Author: Jade nursing home all american whiskey is extremely popular right now. but i'd say rye likely has the biggest percentage growth. everyone always drank jim and jack. in 2010 no one was drinking rye and now everyone is.
i'm a big fan of hw products. whistlepig is great too. it's complete marketing flame from some literal turdskin who bought canadian rye and put it in a fancy bottle. but there aren't a lot of 100% 10 year ryes widely available. not "worth" nearly $70 but it's the only product in it's class right now.
i'm a gigantic fan of high west. the cool thing about them is they are pretty transparent, you can click notes on their website which tells you exactly where the sourced their whiskey (everyone else tries to hide the ball). their double rye is fine. it's a "blend" between the stuff they're making and mgp. however, what these "blends" never tell you is the percentage. it tastes like 95% mgp to me. high west hasn't been making whiskey for that long, and they can't have made enough aged rye to supply a significant amount of the whiskey in that bottle. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:42 PM Author: Jade nursing home p.s. speaking of high west, i encourage any peaty scotch fans to try campfire. it's a blend of islay whiskey and rye. very unique and very good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650723) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:48 PM Author: demanding box office Spent a week in Park City, fell in love with HW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650748) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk Big fan of Islay scotches, I'll have to go on the hunt for campfire, ty Do you like Rendezvous? |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:58 PM Author: Jade nursing home after recommending it a googled and see it's recently discontinued. i might cruise around and try to find some to stash now.
rendezvous is great. like double rye it's just a blend of mgp and high west's stuff. rumored to be a bit older than double rye, but there are no age statements on either.
i trust high west, they make a great product for the $ always. the rendezvouses i've had have been great. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:55 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk And have you ever tried midwinter nights dram https://www.breakingbourbon.com/tnt/high-west-a-midwinter-nights-dram-act-7-scene-6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650798) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:59 PM Author: Jade nursing home yeah i've put down more of those than i can count. the first time i sold whiskey on the secondary market with mwnd!
it's EXCELLENT, although i'm a big port fan so i'm biased. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:02 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk bless you for this thread Now go try Woodinville and tell me what you think since I can't make judgments myself (though i already bought it and do enjoy it but want your take) https://thewhiskeyjug.com/rye-whiskey/woodinville-straight-rye-review/ |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:07 PM Author: Jade nursing home the problem with distilleries like woodinville that don't source whiskey is that they don't have the $$$ to sit on barrels for long enough. thus you wind up with stuff that's really young. they try to compensate for that by aging them in smaller barrels (whiskey touches more surface area = more wood flavor faster), but that just leaves a really woody tasting whiskey.
no way i'm spending $55 on some 2 year old whiskey aged in small barrels! but if i come across it to taste i will try it and let you know. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:09 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk ty I'll need to pay closer attention next time I open it but a few reviews I read did comment on the papery/woody taste, which would make sense given what you said about it necessarily being young/small barrel |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:13 PM Author: Cracking Orchestra Pit Police Squad *whisky
'e' is for american whiskeys. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:23 PM Author: Jade nursing home irish too, but no one really cares for the pedantry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650920) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:24 PM Author: Cracking Orchestra Pit Police Squad Yeah I realized my poast was susceptible to criticism on the ground of pedantic faggotry, but I thought this little quirk was mildly interesting when I learned about it years ago and I saw the opportunity to pass it on here.
Enjoyed your OP btw. We really need more whisk[e]y threading here. Also becoming a mezcal dilettante. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:41 PM Author: Jade nursing home i want to get into mezcal. all the different drinks of the world fascinate me. there are so many undiscovered places making really fine drinks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652136) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:43 PM Author: hateful telephone address christ, you need a master's degree just to get drunk in this country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650725) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:45 PM Author: Jade nursing home i think if you become an expert in anything you realize how flame it all is. law and whiskey have been that way for me, at least.
the whiskey industry intentionally obfuscates everything. i don't begrudge any consumer for not knowing this shit. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:56 PM Author: Abusive Cobalt Voyeur I went to a very specialized private "bourbon club" once (had $1mm of whiskey just sitting on the shelves and you were allowed to try any of it), and not flame the guys who were members there had doctorate level knowledge of bourbon. They all seemed to know characteristics of specific barrels (aka "picks") of random whiskeys and bourbons from like the 1970s and 1980s and would sit there discussing these things that probably a few dozen people on earth had ever tried.
Also it was lulzy - they all laugh at morons who buy "pappy" and they think its overrated shit |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:46 PM Author: demanding box office Thank you. Can you do one on Wheated Bourbon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650735) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:52 PM Author: Jade nursing home some random thoughts:
makers mark is much better than people give it credit for, and makers mark cask strength is probably the best widely available bourbon today. makers mark was started with pappy van winkles recipe and yeast strain. the only reason it isn't as hyped is because it's popular.
pappy is "worth it" if you can find it close to retail. people that say it isn't just have sour grapes about not being able to get it.
the weller line of products is just ok. they sat around for years and were outsold by makers until people got pappy crazy. special reserve is bottom shelf swill. antique and 12 year are great but not worth hunting for. w. l. weller is one of the finest whiskeys made, though.
people are really into "wheaters" because of pappy. the consensus of among most bourbon people before pappy mania is rye is the superior grain, which is why 80% of bourbons are rye based. i think both have their merits, but be distrustful of all the WhEaTeRs! people because they are often just hype beasts.
avoid larceny. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:59 PM Author: demanding box office Thank. I'm a huge Makers fan and always thought I was a prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650818) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:06 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk Drunkard convinced us all that makers is "Yankee swill" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650844) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Jade nursing home most of the people opining about whiskey don't know what they are talking about. whiskey has shown me that even very smart people are susceptible to marketing. people cannot untether price and availability to quality. because makers is affordable and widely available, people assume it's just ok. meanwhile, weller sr goes for crazy $ these days.
have a blind taste test with these people and watch them sweat. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:04 PM Author: Abusive Cobalt Voyeur When I went to the bourbon club I described in this thread, I actually liked Weller Antique (that's the red label right?) better than most of the vintage expensive shit that I tried.
I've had Weller Antique since then in bars and it was fine I guess. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:09 PM Author: Jade nursing home two things:
1) before bourbon went crazy, no one was buying whiskey at all. and thus a lot of distilleries just put really old stuff in the bottles. because of this, lot of the old weller from years ago is really fucking good and has some extra aged stuff in it.
2) private picks of weller are single barrel. the thing about single barrels is they can range from shit to some of the best whiskey ever. you could have had a really good bottle of single barrel owa. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 6:00 PM Author: demanding box office Thank you for your service (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651089) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 6:05 PM Author: Jade nursing home idk why you deleted your last comment! to answer you q without outing it, it's larceny in a different bottle. the distillery that makes it doesn't actually make whiskey.
the 10 year single barrel version of it is quite good (unknown source, but quite good). |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 7:31 PM Author: demanding box office I was half-joking, it was rebel yell 100. I didn't want to waste your time on it and figured you never even tried it. I find it utterly unremarkable and would rather drink benchmark.
Why the hate for larceny? |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:49 PM Author: Aquamarine nighttime parlor Angel’s Envy Rye ftw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650757) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:53 PM Author: Jade nursing home it's mgp rye finished in a rum barrel. you tell me if dumping bulleit into an old rye barrel for a couple months justifies doubling the price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650782) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: Aquamarine nighttime parlor Probably not but it’s damn good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650786) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: Abusive Cobalt Voyeur if I am very content with bulleit rye ($24/bottle), do you recommend that i try the woodford rye? bulleit rye is basically all I drink at home now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650809) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:00 PM Author: Jade nursing home imo bulleit > woodford. but i like my rye to be really rye-y. i would recommend trying woodford or old forrester to compare a lower-rye rye and a high-rye rye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650824) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:10 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk I'm the one who said in the other thread that Woodford > bulleit but I realize it's probably because I was still "transitioning" from bourbon (it's only 51% rye) so I probably preferred it at the time, been a year or two since I'd had it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650868) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: demanding box office Thoughts on Benchmark 8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650810) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:03 PM Author: Jade nursing home the flagship bourbon from the major distilleries all come from the same barrels. benchmark is buffalo trace that is lower proof and aged less. way better than most craft bourbon you'll find at 5x the price.
people putting down evan williams, benchmark, old crow, etc really have no idea what they're talking about. the rail bourbon at some bars is superior to the shit they put in craft cocktails. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:32 PM Author: demanding box office thank you, you're making me feel much better about my choices. I've been daily drinking Makers and Benchmark forever; over the dozens of much more expensive bottles I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650969) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:33 PM Author: Jade nursing home blind taste tests are great to expose fraudlies.
i drink wild turkey 101 and evan williams bottled in bond all the time despite having a VERY PRESTIGIOUS collection. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 4:58 PM Author: lemon insane field ty. i had the high west bourbon and wasn't really into it. haven't had the rye yet, dont know much about rye and this was informative. bulleit rye and knob creek rye have been alright to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650813) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:04 PM Author: Jade nursing home shit, i forgot to put knob creek in there.
knob creek is made by beam, who is the maker of old overholt. knob creek is essentially extra aged and higher proof old overholt. it's good stuff! it's a "barely legal" rye that is just over 50% rye. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:08 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk Thoughts on Dickel and sazerac? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650857) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:10 PM Author: Jade nursing home sazerac i discussed in my op. it's fine! barely legal buffalo trace rye.
dickel is mgp. identical to bulleit. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Hairraiser saffron partner milk ty Srsly 180 thread, very scholarly |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:29 PM Author: cream impressive stage 80% of this was on rye would you do more on bourbon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650954) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:30 PM Author: Jade nursing home the thread was explicitly about rye! i can answer any qs re bourbon too though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650963) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:32 PM Author: cream impressive stage I only read "whiskey" in the thread title before realizing it was about rye, yes this type of content is very much appreciated thank you for your work and research on the topic. When is the next Xo distillery tour? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650970) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:34 PM Author: Jade nursing home i want to go solo and outself like clsg and tsinah, and if i do i could definitely arrange an xo barrel pick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650983) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:40 PM Author: cream impressive stage 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651005) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:43 PM Author: lemon insane field plz send me a t shirt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651018) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:57 PM Author: demanding box office What State you in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651068) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:59 PM Author: Jade nursing home despair XDDDD
i'm really careful with anything potentially outing until i get out of gc hell world. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 7:29 PM Author: demanding box office I understand, just wondering how close to KY you are for a distillery tour/barrel selection. Let me know when you're ready, if I can help I will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651416) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:52 PM Author: Jade nursing home if you're around ky i'd def love to connect in the future. i got there often, but i am not from there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652190) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:47 PM Author: cream impressive stage you don't have to out self just send pics of banging bourbons while we rate and fund your trip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652168) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:52 PM Author: Jade nursing home YNY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652192) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:34 PM Author: ebony filthy brethren bawdyhouse so the philistine should just buy mgp? or not drink rye at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650981) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:36 PM Author: Jade nursing home mgp is really great stuff, and whiskey has gotten so crazy that even aged mgp is selling for hundreds of dollars.
just realize that 90% of rye whiskey is just mgp with a different label. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:37 PM Author: ebony filthy brethren bawdyhouse what's the best value buy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42650996) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 5:40 PM Author: Jade nursing home in rye? bulleit.
none of the major whiskey producers anticipated rye becoming so popular, and they all have just been making 51% rye forever. maybe some good stuff from them will be coming out soon. i'm not a fan of 51% rye, so whatever mgp you can find on the shelf is just about the only option. ch taylor is fantastic if you can find it, but not really a "value buy" at $70. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 7:16 PM Author: Hyperventilating Coral Affirmative Action Idiot Any thoughts on Pendleton 1910? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651393) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:48 PM Author: Jade nursing home never head of it, but some googling shows it's a blend of canadian ryes. a lot of people are trying to do the whistle pig model and buy cheap canadian rye and bottle it as a superior product.
note: cheap doesn't mean bad. sometimes great whiskey is very affordable. it's just that the canadians have a lot of whiskey aging that some americans want to try to put in a fancy bottle and sell for 4x it's market value. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot And it's a whiskey, rye whiskey Whiskey I cry If I don't get rye whiskey, well, I think I will die It's a beefsteak when I'm hungry Rye whiskey when I'm dry Greenbacks when I'm hard up Heaven when I die I'll a-go to yonder holl-er And I'll build me a still I'll give you a gallon for a five dollar bill Ha, whiskey, rye whiskey Whiskey, I cry If a tree don't fall on me I'll live 'til I die |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:29 PM Author: Milky Feces Public Bath Jack o' Diamond, Jack o' Diamond and I know you of old You've robbed my poor pockets of silver and gold It's a whiskey, you villain, you've been my downfall You've kicked me, you've cuffed me, but I love you for all And it's a whiskey, rye whiskey Whiskey I cry If I don't get rye whiskey, well, I think I will die It's a beefsteak when I'm hungry Rye whiskey when I'm dry Greenbacks when I'm hard up Heaven when I die I'll a-go to yonder holl-er And I'll build me a still I'll give you a gallon for a five dollar bill Ha, whiskey, rye whiskey Whiskey, I cry If a tree don't fall on me I'll live 'til I die If the ocean was whiskey (ssss (hic)) And I was a duck I'd dive to the bottom and never come (hic) I meant to say "up" Now the ocean ain't whiskey (hic) I ain't a duck I'll play Jack o' Diamond And trust to my luck Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Whiskey, rye whiskey Whiskey, I cry If a whiskey don't kill me I'll live 'til I die |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:35 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot i like this version where they merged the Rye Whiskey lyrics with the Possum up a gum tree music...or maybe it was the other way around...or maybe they were actually the same song hundreds of years ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4CUWc7CxA#t=37m55s |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot the real rye whiskey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhlHVsaUOA |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:40 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot or maybe this is the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcm3hXoMoWc |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:43 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot love these old timey lyrics: They say I drink whisky, My money's my own; All who don't like me, Can leave me alone.
Sometimes I drink whisky, Sometimes I drink rum, Sometimes I drink brandy, At other times none.
Rye whisky, rye whisky, Rye whisky, I cry, If I dont get rye whisky, I surely will die. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:44 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot I'll drink my own whisky, I'll drink my own wine, Some ten thousand bottles I've killed in my time.
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:44 PM Author: Milky Feces Public Bath There are many versions. Back in my banjo days I used to sing one Pete Seeger used. It only sounded good if I had consumed a lot of rye whiskey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652152) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:45 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSAc3E1hWc
yeah, the melody is different from possum up a gum tree...but the mix of lyrics is weird... |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:54 PM Author: Milky Feces Public Bath That's like the melody I used, but some of the lyrics were different. One line I liked was "Rye whiskey, rye whisky, you're no friend to me, you killed my poor daddy, god damn you try me." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652198) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:57 PM Author: Citrine coffee pot that last line is a new one on me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652206) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 7:55 PM Author: wonderful apoplectic yarmulke puppy Good scholarship here, I'd just add three things:
1. There is gold amongst the shit when it comes to Whistlepig, but you absolutely positively have to do your due diligence. I've had some delicious store picks from them, but it's not a name you can trust on site. They'll put out absolutely trash and charge $100. Try before you buy if at all possible.
2. Agree 100% on Woodford Rye. People are sleeping on it right now. Happy to see it commonly on bar shelves now.
3. Disagree on EHT. Seems like less than 70% rye to me and when I've had it in lineups with other rye it just tastes more like a bt mashbill bourbon than anything. Add in the scarcity and price gouging for it and it ain't worth the time imo. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:50 PM Author: Jade nursing home i was at a tasting tonight and the subject of ceht rye came up, and someone claimed it was 100% rye. no one really knows. it tastes very rye-ey to me.
i agree the scarcity and price gouging = not worth the time. just a couple years ago it was widely available. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 11:30 PM Author: wonderful apoplectic yarmulke puppy Rye is extra weird because the prices seem to be all over the map. Very good bottles like EC and WR go for $30-40, and then you've got tons of three figure tater bait.
The only one I chase is the Van Winkle Rye. It's the one VW product that lives up to the hype IMO. |
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Date: December 30th, 2021 2:04 PM Author: Jade nursing home lots of people poasting about how "van winkle is overrated" are sour grapes faggots. but they certainly are not as good as their market price demands. that being said, they are great at their retail price. i think VW rye is probably like $2k right now. if you're expecting it to taste that much better than EHT Rye (which retail near the same price, from the same distillery) you're in for a big surprise.
van winkle doesn't "live up to the hype" if you're expecting them to be 20-30x better than other products based on the market price differential. but they're certainly elite whiskeys. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 8:33 PM Author: Crimson Slap-happy Goal In Life Church Building old overholt? rye used to be a pennsylvania whiskey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42651637) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:37 PM Author: Greedy pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652122) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:45 PM Author: Jade nursing home rye used to be almost only a northern whiskey, because rye grows much better in colder climates. which is why it's still popular in canada. in fact, i should have had a whole section on "pennsylvania" ryes (e.g. rittenhouse) versus "maryland" ryes (e.g. pikesville).
these distinctions are meaningless now, because during prohibition and the bourbon consolidation i mentioned in my op, all these brands were sold to the remaining major american distilleries. there used to be hundreds of distilleries across the country with unique, local brands. they've all been sold and consolidated into a few distilleries now. rittenhouse is made by heaven hill and old overholt is made by beam. both are just 51% barely legal rye and indistinguishable from their original recipe. |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: crystalline bbw Prefer scotch but this is scholarship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652107) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:46 PM Author: Jade nursing home i'm a big scotchmo too and poasted recently about a 180 trip i had in islay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652164) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 11:04 PM Author: crystalline bbw Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652240) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 11:05 PM Author: Jade nursing home http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4857975&mc=28&forum_id=2#42638802 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652246) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: passionate mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652109) |
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Date: June 18th, 2021 11:11 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle idea he suggested sweet tailpipe This is scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#42652262) |
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Date: October 6th, 2021 3:00 PM Author: Jade nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43231678) |
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Date: October 6th, 2021 3:04 PM Author: wonderful apoplectic yarmulke puppy Midwinter's Night Dram is trickling into stores over the next few weeks. It's delicious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43231703) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 2:27 AM Author: Henna razzle location old irish cottage this is the sort of bottle i wish i could buy since i've been to HW so many times, but it's $250 minimum by me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43667415) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 3:27 PM Author: Henna razzle location old irish cottage might buy one of the single barrel double ryes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43669744) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2021 11:55 PM Author: Jade nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43666928) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 2:25 AM Author: Henna razzle location old irish cottage thanks for your scholarship man, i am drinking liquor out of a gay glencairn glass right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43667409) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 7:51 AM Author: Jade nursing home 180. those things are totally NOT gay. i have like 10,000 of them because everyone always gives me whiskey gifts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43667816) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: Henna razzle location old irish cottage how many WHISKEY STONES do you own lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43668864) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: Jade nursing home *me feigning excitement as i open yet another completely useless whiskey trinket that i already have dozens of*
oh wow! thanks!
(why can't they just get me a bottle of WT101?) |
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Date: December 24th, 2021 2:09 AM Author: Talented Knife Base 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43667362) |
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Date: February 10th, 2022 9:45 PM Author: bateful digit ratio 180. Thank you for your scholarship. Only thing I would say is, I don't like Makers' Mark -- it's just too smooth. I like something with more of a bite, like Knob Creek. So perhaps I am just agreeing with you that wheat < rye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#43948006) |
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Date: February 10th, 2022 9:49 PM Author: Jade nursing home i tend to reach for rye bourbon way more than wheat. most people do, which is why it's so much more popular.
i mention makers mark a lot because a lot of people got on pappy (and now weller) mania. makers mark cask strength is probably just as good as weller full proof, but weller fp goes for like $300 now and is impossible to find. but it's only because of pappy hype. 10 years ago you could find weller on the shelf all the time and it wasn't particularly popular. people genuinely interested in wheated bourbon often don't consider makers because they assume because it's widely available it's not good. |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 9:10 AM Author: Vibrant gay wizard Is Jefferson’s aged at sea good stuff or compete flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#46378491) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 10:52 AM Author: Vibrant gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#46378827) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 11:03 AM Author: Jade nursing home absolute complete flame. all jefferson's is (except their first bottlings) and aged at sea is possibly the biggest meme whiskey in the community. it's a complete joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#46378855) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 11:23 AM Author: Vibrant gay wizard TY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4859635&forum_id=2#46378920) |
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