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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:45 PM Author: Bipolar know-it-all church building feces I've limited it down to these two in new york. I liked the people and the environment at Cravath a bit more and I think I want to do lit. Should I still go with the big W? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787116) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: exhilarant tripping main people if you don't go to wachtell, you'll always wonder what it would be like if you did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787120) |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 1:45 PM Author: trip lay trump supporter no he won't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6792022) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:49 PM Author: charcoal bespoke karate that sucks that you didn't get skadden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787139) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:50 PM Author: floppy hyperactive hominid are you kidding? wachtell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787142) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:52 PM Author: Bipolar know-it-all church building feces Why? Any reasons besides pay? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787149) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:52 PM Author: lascivious preventive strike it's really not at all obvious that you should choose WLRK if you're sure litigation is your thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787147) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 1:57 PM Author: motley gaming laptop Subject: For lit? Cravath. If you don't like it, you can always lateral to WLRK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787159) |
Date: October 14th, 2006 2:05 PM Author: Sickened heaven Wachtell sucks because they don't have a lot of recognition outside of NYC, for obvious reasons. So is Cravath, but to a much lesser degree.
Why not go the Davis/Sullivan/Skadden/Simpson route? At least you'll have more opportunities at those firms to get different types of work and not be pigeon-holed for the rest of eternity. |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:07 PM Author: charcoal bespoke karate flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787195) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:09 PM Author: Sickened heaven No, those flames are from the heat generated from the friction that results when my gigantic penis penetrates your mother's arse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787200) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:17 PM Author: charcoal bespoke karate 160. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787258) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 3:55 PM Author: Stirring Place Of Business Parlor haha what do these three numbers mean? are you guys attempting to guess his lsat score? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787818) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:19 PM Author: Buff Kitty Cat Corner 159 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787278) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:42 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan 143 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787430) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 8:55 PM Author: Ebony Faggotry Shitlib 136 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6789031) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 2:21 PM Author: magenta gaping Flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787291) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:09 PM Author: Supple cruise ship Correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787883) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:08 PM Author: Histrionic skinny woman range cravath lawyers get to fuck toothy paralegals http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=502894&mc=32&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787879) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:25 PM Author: Talking Flushed Gay Wizard Locus Tough choice. I don't think that you get better experience at WLRK. And the hours might be worse, if the rumors are true. Also, WLRK has a ton of M&A lit but not much other lit. But the money is better at WLRK and so are your partnership prospects. If it were me, I think I would choose Cravath, partly because M&A bores me to death. But I might be a little bitter from my WLRK rejection. And honestly, I think I might actually choose DPW over Cravath. People seem happier there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787965) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:27 PM Author: Histrionic skinny woman range have you ever fucked any toothy paralegals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6787969) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:43 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan "Also, WLRK has a ton of M&A lit but not much other lit."
A blatant falsehood that, for some reason, continuously gets repeated on this board. |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:50 PM Author: apoplectic macaca cravath barely pays market. if that helps.
of course, they think they can get away with it because of their prestige. |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: Violet business firm blood rage what do you mean barely pays market? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788194) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 4:51 PM Author: Curious misanthropic french chef Some thoughts:
1. Those are two extremely good litigation firms. Neither is more "prestigious" than the other in litigation. Neither will give you significantly different "exit options." Both are Chambers rank 1 for general litigation. Cravath has a bit wider name recognition and doesn't suffer from the misguided but popular misconception that it "only does M&A litigation."
2. They have different practices. Cravath is more focused on commercial litigation, with I believe no white collar practice at all. Wachtell does a lot of M&A litigation and white-collar/regulatory work, though it also does general commercial work.
3. Wachtell pays more.
4. Litigation is more central to the practice at Cravath than at Wachtell, which has advantages.
5. Cravath puts you with one or a few partners for a long time; Wachtell is more free-market. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.
6. Wachtell will rotate you through corporate and litigation for the summer; Cravath will want you to choose. If you're not sure about litigation this may be an advantage to Wachtell; if you are, it may be an advantage to Cravath.
7. These are two of the best litigation firms in the world -- but, honestly, if you have the credentials to get hired at those places, it seems to me worth considering o6ther firms for litigation. That may just be because, to me, New York general commercial & securities litigation seems less interesting than other forms of litigation. If you were choosing between these two firms for corporate that'd make complete sense, but I'm always puzzled why people who want to be litigators look only at V5 firms. |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:09 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan "[I]f you have the credentials to get hired at those places, it seems to me worth considering other firms for litigation."
Like what? |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:13 PM Author: lascivious preventive strike W&C and Munger, for starters. Although maybe this dude has a reason to be in New York. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788208) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan Yeah, if rk's point is that there are more interesting litigation markets outside of New York, he may be right, but I'd be interested if there are more interesting litigation firms in New York. I guess some people would say Boies Schiller, but that place sounds like a mess and the fact is they just do huge commercial litigation too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788221) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: lascivious preventive strike In NY, Paul Weiss might be a reasonable option. I didn't consider it too seriously for whatever reason, but I hear good things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788233) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:22 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan You really think someone interested in litigation should go to PW over WLRK just because PW, for some reason, is known as a "litigation firm"??? That's ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788257) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: lascivious preventive strike I wrote "reasonable option." As I said, I didn't look closely at PW, but from what I know its strength in litigation goes beyond just being "known" as a lit firm. It's pretty well-established. I have no idea whether it's a better place to litigate than WLRK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788278) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan Fair enough. I for one think it would be a bad decision. PW is no doubt a great litigation firm. But if the issue (which rk identified) is that New York litigation can be pretty boring, then PW ain't gonna solve that. What it will do, however, is subject you to a *highly* leveraged atmosphere where you're constantly passing your work step-by-step up the food chain. WLRK, conversely, works on the same old boring shit, but you work in really small teams and get respect and direct involvement (and little doc review) from day one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788295) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:31 PM Author: lascivious preventive strike Agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788303) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: magenta gaping "for some reason" LOL.
There are a lot of extremely good reasons why PW is known as a "litigation firm."
American Lawyer ranked them as best litigation firm in each of the past two years. For starters.
EDIT: "Paul, Weiss is our 2006 Litigation Department of the Year winner because Citigroup is just one of the Fortune 100 companies that have Paul, Weiss to thank for their survival. In case after case since 2004, such clients as Hollinger International Inc., American International Group, Inc., and Merck & Co., Inc., trusted Paul, Weiss's litigators to guide them through the most perilous corporate minefields. And in a time period in which business scandal, complete with criminal and regulatory investigations and tag-along civil suits, dominated headlines, no law firm handled cases with higher stakes than Paul, Weiss-and no law firm was as successful at saving its clients' businesses."
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTAL.jsp?id=1135850707009 |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan i'd still rather litigate at wlrk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788328) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: magenta gaping Me, too.
But it sounds awfully uninformed to write, "PW, for some reason, is known as a "litigation firm"." |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:15 PM Author: vigorous flirting native international law enforcement agency go to the DOJ...although I guess you can always interview there as a 3L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788215) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: low-t pink sneaky criminal step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788220) |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 12:47 PM Author: Curious misanthropic french chef I don't know. Do you want to do massive document productions for years on end? Going to Paul Weiss (or even Boise Schiller, though BSF has a different and possibly more interesting practice) won't solve this. If I loved law, loved litigation, wanted to do an interesting litigation practice, and had the credentials to get WLRK and CSM offers, I would think about going to an appellate firm (DC firms, a few Chicago branch offices in NY), a trial firm (I hear good things about Quinn and K&E in New York), a white-collar firm (Morvillo, etc.), a government job, etc. -- something that specialized in a type of litigation I was interested in. I'm sure some people find document-intensive securities/commercial motion practice interesting, but I suspect a lot of people are going into litigation at V5 firms because they're V5 firms, not because they do the kind of litigation that these people are passionate about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6791766) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:15 PM Author: Adulterous idiot sweet tailpipe RK, any thoughts on going to branch offices of V5 firms?
also, if I wanted to do VC/startup/emerging growth work down the line, would going to a v5-v10 that focuses on large transactions first (to get the resume name/training/exp) be a bad idea? do general corporate/transactional skills carry over, or should i just go to a startup/VC focused firm in the first place? |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: irradiated headpube If you are choosing between WLRK and Cravath, you most certainly don't need my inferior advice.
I bow to you.
1. Wachtell 1. Cravath 3-100. Everywhere else |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 12:48 PM Author: Curious misanthropic french chef I'm biased to think that the skills carry over but I'm at a large-transaction firm (and have never done real VC work). The documents and issues for VC/startup work are pretty different, though the basics of drafting, negotiating, thinking through corporate issues, etc. remain the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6791773) |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 1:51 PM Author: trip lay trump supporter "Wachtell will rotate you through corporate and litigation for the summer; Cravath will want you to choose."
Cravath will let you rotate through corporate and litigation. You don't have to choose one or the other. In fact, you can even rotate through tax, estates, or do corporate in their London office. |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: vivacious university old irish cottage Have you considered WKRP in Cincinnati? They can't be beat for feverlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788236) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:22 PM Author: Violet business firm blood rage tops in cincinnati radio law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788252) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: vivacious university old irish cottage close second in bigguylaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788309) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: Violet business firm blood rage chambers ranks them in category 1 for Herb Tarlek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788321) |
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Date: October 14th, 2006 5:54 PM Author: vivacious university old irish cottage Corporate Counsel Magazine has awarded parter Les Nessman the coveted Buckeye Newshawk award six years running. Joe Flohm's three years in a row back in the 80s doesn't even come close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6788417) |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 1:37 PM Author: trip lay trump supporter Cravath. Why? Mainly because I will be there next year. Not only will this do wonders Cravath's prestige, but my flawless personality will increase their associate satisfaction scores and the general atmosphere of the entire law firm. You might even get the opportunity to work with me because I'll be doing litigation as well.
HTFH |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 2:23 PM Author: frozen cuck coldplay fan 128 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6792160) |
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Date: October 15th, 2006 2:25 PM Author: trip lay trump supporter you are very generous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=506111&forum_id=2#6792169) |