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why do kidmos so aggressively and stridently criticize and shame nokidmos?

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bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
You mean besides the fact that nokidmos are by definition co...
Costumed Motley Church Building
  12/05/22
simple resentment
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
honestly, it's not resentment. i couldn't give two shits ab...
amber rigor faggotry
  12/05/22
1) youre just a conservative. atheist parents think the same...
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
by "social experiments" you mean keep things gener...
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
the entire christian tradition was a social experiment
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
maybe hundreds of years ago....
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
which is a blip in the arc of history. christianity was a fa...
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
great take kike
Transparent slap-happy parlour private investor
  12/05/22
If anti-Christians we’re pushing for a conservative, t...
salmon milk
  12/05/22
you'd be wrong. i'm a classical liberal, and don't side with...
amber rigor faggotry
  12/05/22
"classical liberals" ie jordan peterson etc are co...
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
yeah, you're correct, i'm a dumbfuck, and that was misspeak ...
amber rigor faggotry
  12/05/22
Jfc
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
100% correct. Also, someone gave their time, money, and...
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
obligation to whom?
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
You’re replying to a literal faggot who assfucks men a...
lascivious brindle dingle berry
  12/05/22
In general, not to any specific one person. Damn kikes gonna...
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
obligation wtf? do you think there's some soul that will be...
carmine fiercely-loyal set
  12/05/22
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Josep_Maria_G...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
no offence but you sound like an insufferable, pompous cunt
adulterous theater stage
  12/05/22
ty, thoughtful
Abusive pervert
  12/05/22
Excellent points!
Vengeful Whorehouse Rigpig
  12/06/22
No kidmos really ruin things for both kidmos and actual chil...
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  12/05/22
by paying for schools they dont even use?
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
Everyone has to do that and it sucks But in reality it's ...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
they pay into services that you use without occupying them t...
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
Yes that's what I like and need more of, payment into child ...
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  12/05/22
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Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
I pay into healthcare for fat fucks and social security for ...
lascivious brindle dingle berry
  12/05/22
conservahero kidmos pay for schools they dont even use bc th...
180 avocado address queen of the night
  12/05/22
by choice
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
not much of a choice
180 avocado address queen of the night
  12/05/22
“That they don’t use” Lol. Our education ...
harsh native
  12/05/22
This but unironically. Public schools are evil
Jet-lagged Ape Legal Warrant
  12/06/22
how so? this would indeed be a reason to criticize and sham...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5209911&mc=32&am...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
its the fuckkng west village lmao how does this impact you?
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
adults and children should both be outside exercising. the ...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
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Tan Razzle Pocket Flask Brunch
  12/06/22
It's not that we aggressively shame them. It's more that th...
Diverse hot half-breed
  12/05/22
why don't they matter?
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
"Why" "How so?" "Can you give an ...
Diverse hot half-breed
  12/05/22
fart
smoky school cafeteria
  12/05/22
is it unreasonable to ask for some explanation of why a grou...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
first day?
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
What's the point of life?
garnet shrine filthpig
  12/05/22
"why shouldn't we discard the opinions of people withou...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
that doesn't make any sense. if the people alive today have...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Your poast is a sophistic non-sequitur, but that aside, you'...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
it does
beta talented area community account
  12/05/22
yes
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  12/05/22
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  12/06/22
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  12/06/22
nokidmos basically wear a sign around their neck that they'r...
smoky school cafeteria
  12/05/22
Being around kids changes adult brains....kids emit some sor...
Rose public bath people who are hurt
  12/05/22
Efforts to self-brainwash Same reason shitlibs go all-in ...
garnet shrine filthpig
  12/05/22
Can't speak for others, but my dislike and skepticism of int...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
TL;DR: lol libs
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
Exactly -- those who don't want kids can't relate to almost ...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
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sickened space
  12/05/22
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amber rigor faggotry
  12/05/22
pretty disturbing that you think your only investment in the...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
? Are you seriously trying to say that I should be equal...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
i'm just playing with you, man. you're obviously too dumb t...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Poasting nonsensical truisms isn't an argument, and neither ...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
i wasn't kidding dude, you're really dumb. you can stop res...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
ljl you've been gaped three times in this thread, pulling a ...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
it's you in particular who is too dumb to have this conversa...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
again, this refrain won't save you keep coping
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
save me from what
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
...
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  12/05/22
My cats will have offspring, and their offspring will have o...
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  12/05/22
"Are you seriously trying to say that I should be equal...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
I think people will largely have inescapably selfish decisio...
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  12/06/22
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Insecure partner
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harsh native
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Abusive pervert
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They have no stake in the future and live only for themselve...
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  12/05/22
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  12/05/22
I've never seen a thread go from zero to 33 this quickly
garnet shrine filthpig
  12/05/22
Posting ITT and putting into words my displeasure with them ...
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  12/05/22
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Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
Because you're weird and have failed to fulfill your only bi...
Filthy volcanic crater gas station
  12/05/22
most men throughout history didnt reproduce
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
wow interesting. did women?
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
they have no agency according to you
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
lmao
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
...
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
bullshit lies by Jews
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
based
mildly autistic curious abode
  12/05/22
is this true, do you have stats/links?
Abusive pervert
  12/05/22
Yes but every single one of your direct ancestors did, so
cream dragon
  12/06/22
why do you think "biological purpose" is signific...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
This is a corollary to our discussion in another thread abou...
Filthy volcanic crater gas station
  12/05/22
oh no somebody doesn't want the same thing you do so repulsi...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
I'm not the one who needed to make a thread to explore my in...
Filthy volcanic crater gas station
  12/05/22
i have kids, but don't feel any particular animosity toward ...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Surely your saying that is a ruse--nobody who has children c...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
lmao your takeaway from this thread is that nobody on xo has...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Just so we're clear because I have no idea what is and isn't...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
i'm ugly and retarded and have a shitty personality, so it's...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
It's probably both, and that's why I really like it here
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
(guy too dumb to get glaringly obvious sarcasm, calling othe...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
Tbf, there are billions who should not be reproducing
Maize multi-colored fat ankles sneaky criminal
  12/05/22
The denouement that I have zero investment in the future is ...
aphrodisiac crystalline psychic
  12/05/22
Okay awesome man, we'll continue to hate you for being a hed...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
OYT isn't someone i'd describe as hedonistic
Honey-headed excitant new version
  12/07/22
well, what i've learned from this thread is that nobody matt...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
What I've learned from this thread is that it's our job to h...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
lmao kidmos are giant freeloaders. did you get confused?
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Oh yeah for sure they are. You should really consider removi...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
i'm not congress. sorry if i suggested i was
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
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Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
I live in a modest house and work long hours to support myse...
aphrodisiac crystalline psychic
  12/05/22
To your credit, I certainly don't think all people without c...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
It's not for everyone, and some people through unfortunate l...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
That's how I interpreted the thread as well.
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
bump life is an emotional ponzi scheme.exe
Mustard reading party step-uncle's house
  12/05/22
Incredibly jewish poast (as with all of your garbage itt) ...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
you're too dumb in this subthread too. it's more of a you p...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
I can see why you're struggling to see the value of having c...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
oh my goodness you think so highly of yourself. i guess the...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
No, I think very lowly of you, and the reasoning you've exhi...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
oh no the dumb guy thinks lowly of me
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
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Mustard reading party step-uncle's house
  12/05/22
I don't resent them generally, but resent academics and thei...
Jet soggy tank
  12/05/22
this is how liberals reproduce. let conservatives have giant...
Thriller Ladyboy
  12/05/22
I don't ridicule but I'm deeply suspicious of no kid bros. F...
azure spot really tough guy
  12/05/22
ok i'll put you down in the "broscience" column
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
same reason why marrieds shame non-marrieds
Medicated stimulating house place of business
  12/05/22
I generally have less respect for married no-kidmos than non...
Jet soggy tank
  12/05/22
kidhavers ITT are winning the argument handily
Thriller Ladyboy
  12/05/22
i probably have kids out there so dont even care
Mustard reading party step-uncle's house
  12/05/22
there you go
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
This thread is really proving why nonkidmos deserve to be bu...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
explain.
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
What about married couples who can't have kids?
Swashbuckling ebony site karate
  12/05/22
You mean like the state has deemed them to be such shit that...
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
No. Couples who have infertility issues
Swashbuckling ebony site karate
  12/05/22
They can clearly have kids in my poast. Are you brain damage...
Fragrant Stain
  12/05/22
I don't at all. The only people I shame are the childless wh...
razzmatazz puce piazza masturbator
  12/05/22
as a likely forever nokidmo because I took too long to corre...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
I don't hold derision for those who can't have kids, for wha...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/05/22
That's understandable, but at the same time I would unironic...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
How dare you.
aphrodisiac crystalline psychic
  12/05/22
Why does anti-democratic = bad?
Diverse hot half-breed
  12/05/22
You can only restrict the voting power of a group if voting ...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
A sizable portion of the anti-natalists that I've met over t...
Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action
  12/05/22
I think that speaks more to the kind of people you run acro...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
"There's also the whole "slippery slope" aspe...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Brother I mean this as kindly as possible, but you don't rea...
Federal slimy crackhouse gaming laptop
  12/05/22
Apparently you struggle with reading comprehension? The poas...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Laqueesha and Juanita shouldn't be participating in societal...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
why should your particular investment in like 2 other people...
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
you seem confused. his framing accords himself more power a...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
selfishness is a hell of a drug
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
Right now, it actually accords me less
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Because they lack skin in the game. I'm uninterested in just...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
Whereas modernity has demonstrated that parents are actively...
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/06/22
In fact, statistically, married adults with children are muc...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
kids are an opportunity to relieve yourself of the burden of...
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
This topic is a great reminder of why kidmos hate nokidmos. ...
Self-absorbed metal sound barrier becky
  12/05/22
explain/describe
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
(insufferable fag)
smoky school cafeteria
  12/05/22
that's just mean!
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
it is not in general because they resent them--that's just a...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
Weird projection.
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
explain
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Society is replete with hatred for kidhavers — kids ar...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
hmm. the title of the op pretty clearly implies that kidmos...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
I am challenging that and saying it's an inversion of the tr...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
ok you could've just posted "no u". you're not ge...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Fair.
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
That seems like a very large extrapolation from a vocal onli...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
That you felt the need to poast this just proves my point.
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Why did you feel the need to make that reply?
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
Probably b/c filled with envy at your full life and rich und...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Sometimes there is no truth, but that itself may be a lie.
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
"Society is replete with hatred for kidhavers — k...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
I stand by the statement that society is replete with hatred...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Where have you ever seen those terms anywhere other than r/c...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
You seem determined to get into a pointless conversation abo...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Okay, so tell us why you think that "society is replete...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
I'm sorry I pointed out you have never been in biglaw, I did...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Are you confusing me with someone else...? I don't remember ...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Yes, with poastradamus. Pardon me, I figured you must have s...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Oh, I'm sorry, I should have realized that it was "obvi...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Lmao why so mad jfc pet your cat bitch
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
I'm mad because society is replete with hatred for cat-haver...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
*backs away slowly*
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
When has modern Western society been more anti-cat than the ...
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
Cr, g1, you don't seem at all exercised
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
"exercised"...?
Primrose submissive church
  12/05/22
...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
Lol wow
fuchsia voyeur
  12/06/22
I'm sorry I got you confused with this godless windbag. Iirc...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/06/22
friendly fyi -- huge redditeur tell
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
One wonders why you were unable to reproduce.
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
don't get snippy just because i pointed out that you obvious...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Gbtr
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
what are some of your favorite subreddits
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
The only one I read is hajimenoippo. Great arc rn.
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
fine, don't tell me
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
If you've got some you think I should check out, let me know...
laughsome factory reset button
  12/05/22
The scenario in the OP primarily only exists in nokidmos&rsq...
concupiscible flatulent point
  12/05/22
I put this in a subthread but adding it down here: It's n...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
...
spectacular stag film
  12/05/22
I'm not vocal about it, because it is rude, but exerting any...
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
I never said they SHOULD "breed." If they don't wa...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
what do you think the word "should" means?
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
I see it like smoking. If you wanna smoke, you do you. But I...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
I agree with everything you said, but I also strongly believ...
Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder
  12/05/22
Probably reflective of the birth rate, and how few people ar...
Adventurous cumskin dopamine
  12/06/22
no i'm pretty sure all nokidmos should be bullied and ostrac...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
...
magenta lay
  12/05/22
having kids makes you low T as a man. i could beat the...
poppy mentally impaired menage
  12/05/22
there's a lot of scholarship that raising daughters is cucko...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
HAVING sons is alpha, raising them is for women. if you beco...
poppy mentally impaired menage
  12/05/22
but do boys raised by women turn out to be alpha?
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
as a nokidmo my dream here is women raising them, but men be...
Abusive pervert
  12/05/22
Excellent bait for a triple rack thread
Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican
  12/05/22
...
Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican
  12/06/22
One of my best friends and his wife are childless. I would n...
Odious Business Firm
  12/05/22
want to make sure i got this right. the wife's weirdness, t...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
You don't have it right-- I said I couldn't really explain i...
Odious Business Firm
  12/05/22
ok why didn't you lead with that. totally agree that you ne...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
cuz I'm half drunk-- having 3 kids will do that to you
Odious Business Firm
  12/05/22
Low key strongest antikidmo poast itt
Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican
  12/05/22
Why assume that her mutation is from childlessness and not e...
Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action
  12/05/22
She is NPC so it likely doesn't register with her that our s...
Odious Business Firm
  12/05/22
Sure, as a gestalt maybe, but everyone and their mother, NPC...
Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action
  12/05/22
embarrassing question. people who live as xo thinks one oug...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
😕
Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action
  12/05/22
obv women are built for breeding, this isn't controversial
Histrionic Outnumbered Chad
  12/05/22
Slowly you will probably see her treating her cat like a hum...
Racy Regret Hunting Ground
  12/05/22
Would love to explain at length but my senior heir needs hel...
Exhilarant misunderstood meetinghouse double fault
  12/05/22
No one does this. We stridently and aggressively talk about...
charismatic skinny woman
  12/05/22
that's not really true. if kidmos made a practice of sharin...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
That’s because you poast on xo
charismatic skinny woman
  12/06/22
too true. when I was married, I got this all the time, in sp...
Deranged sepia windowlicker
  12/05/22
have only seen and heard the opposite of this
rusted deer antler
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...
concupiscible flatulent point
  12/05/22
True derision should be reserved for married couples who vol...
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...
Razzle-dazzle cuckoldry
  12/05/22
i don't think they vote or do hold office, though. too busy...
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
...
Razzle-dazzle cuckoldry
  12/05/22
Sotomayor and Kagan hold office and are nokidmos which is ab...
Saffron parlor
  12/05/22
i dunno, they seem pretty successful
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
that you think this is strong evidence for every kidmos argu...
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  12/06/22
lol isn't half of Europe run by childless women?
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i don't think women are allowed to run whole continents, or ...
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Does this happen? Are some nokidmos mistaking asymmetry of u...
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bronze arousing office old irish cottage
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hey man, OldHLSDude gets to say whatever he wants and not g...
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I don’t think this happens. No kidmos just feel shame ...
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it's happening in this thread
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Consider that your grating style of interaction has generate...
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  12/06/22
For the "I love science" crowd (which no doubt has...
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  12/05/22
wow you're really upset about the whole reddit thing
bronze arousing office old irish cottage
  12/05/22
Guess so. My points stand regardless.
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i said that you're maf, not that you're wrong
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Ty
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(kid haver checking the same boxes)
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Yeah. He’s just a moron.
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depends on race
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now that's xo
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lol OP gaped over and over like hes little SP
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  12/05/22
You could just tldr and say people without kids are faggots....
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  12/05/22
Doesn’t really happen IME.
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  12/06/22
MFCR, this thread has proven that, if nothing else
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  12/06/22
This is very much "a thing" Add it to the record
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it's not only "a thing", I would wager there are ...
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amber rigor faggotry
  12/06/22
This is EXACTLY what I'm referring to when I say that person...
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  12/06/22
*wordlessly steps into this thread, lone flashlight beam pla...
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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:42 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589128)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:53 PM
Author: Costumed Motley Church Building

You mean besides the fact that nokidmos are by definition complete and abject failures a human beings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590760)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:43 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

simple resentment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589133)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:52 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry

honestly, it's not resentment. i couldn't give two shits about going back to my irresponsible childless life if it meant losing all of the joy that my kids bring me.

for me, it's a two-fold equation. the first part is now that I have kids, I care much more about supporting a healthy and stable society for them, and i hate that all these childless freaks view society as some sort of fucked up social experiment in which to play out all their deranged fantasies.

the second part actually comes from a place of empathy. i know how much my life has been enriched by having my two kids (whom I never thought I'd ever want), how much it has matured me, and how much it has brought the miracle of life (and God) back into my heart. i just feel bad that there are a lot of dudes and dudettes who will be missing out on that because we live in a time where society finds it blase to build a real family. guys and gals who in another time wouldn't think twice about jumping in and doing what we've been biologically programmed to do for millennia.

having said all that, I would never encourage everyone to have kids. some people are just not cut out for it, and they are making the correct decision taking themselves out of the gene pool. but i do encourage all of my guy friends who ask to at least consider it and lay out all of the reasons that I've so loved fatherhood (to this point).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589184)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

1) youre just a conservative. atheist parents think the same thing about christians/traditionalists trying to push their "social experiment" on their kids

2) you're shaming barren people out of empathy? thats cap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589232)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

by "social experiments" you mean keep things generally the way they are? Now sure you understand the term experiment hoss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589293)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:08 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

the entire christian tradition was a social experiment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589300)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:37 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

maybe hundreds of years ago....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589452)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:04 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

which is a blip in the arc of history. christianity was a failed experiment. it was temporary and there's nothing natural about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589767)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:28 PM
Author: Transparent slap-happy parlour private investor

great take kike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590933)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:58 PM
Author: salmon milk

If anti-Christians we’re pushing for a conservative, traditional reinstatement of Greco Roman religion, you might have a point. But m, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, that’s not the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591811)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:10 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry

you'd be wrong. i'm a classical liberal, and don't side with most of the deranged CONs here. i'm not really trying to push or force anything on my or anyone else's kids.

i don't actively "criticize" childless people. was mostly just responding directly to your assertion that resentment is the driving force behind any eye-rolling I may do behind closed doors about the childless people in my life. i have many friends who have chosen not to have kids for various reasons, some of which seem virtuous at first blush. a few are happy, but the majority, while achieving career success and independence, are rather lonely and somewhat lost and confused when it comes to finding meaning in their lives.

and i wholeheartedly admit that having kids is somewhat of a selfish act in that I'm gaining at least as much from it as what I put into it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589309)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:11 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

"classical liberals" ie jordan peterson etc are conservatives

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589319)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:17 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry

yeah, you're correct, i'm a dumbfuck, and that was misspeak on my part. i meant a traditional American social and Keynesian liberal (pro-union, moderate-to-slightly-left on the social stuff) - not a current progressive liberal, which are really just Marxists these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589347)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:43 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589709)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:06 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

100% correct.

Also, someone gave their time, money, and energy to give you life and raise you. Life is the most precious thing out there in the world. Don't we have a bit of a obligation to try to pass that benefit on to someone else?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589288)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

obligation to whom?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589297)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:19 PM
Author: lascivious brindle dingle berry

You’re replying to a literal faggot who assfucks men and posts videos of his daughter to this site

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589356)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:38 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

In general, not to any specific one person. Damn kikes gonna kike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589454)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 6:13 PM
Author: carmine fiercely-loyal set

obligation wtf? do you think there's some soul that will be trapped in purgatory unless you creampie some slut?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590020)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:59 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Josep_Maria_Garc%C3%ADa.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590798)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:21 PM
Author: adulterous theater stage

no offence but you sound like an insufferable, pompous cunt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590583)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:55 PM
Author: Abusive pervert

ty, thoughtful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590774)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 9:20 AM
Author: Vengeful Whorehouse Rigpig

Excellent points!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592684)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:43 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

No kidmos really ruin things for both kidmos and actual children just so they can continue to CONSUME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589138)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:44 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

by paying for schools they dont even use?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589141)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:46 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

Everyone has to do that and it sucks

But in reality it's because nonkidmos are hedonistic on average and attract hedonistic economy to wherever they end up. Nonkidmos are also predominantly lib so cross-apply all the negatives related to cities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589154)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:50 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

they pay into services that you use without occupying them themselves, be grateful.

so youre just mad they vote D? Why are you living in D-controlled cities with your young family? move to Montana etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589178)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:54 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

Yes that's what I like and need more of, payment into child services PERFECT THANK YOU NONKIDMOS

I have and I do. Because nonkidmos are fucking poison to a town.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589199)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:59 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589235)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: lascivious brindle dingle berry

I pay into healthcare for fat fucks and social security for geezers and all sorts of BLM shit for nigs and I don’t use any of that. We all pay into shit we don’t use, so who cares about nokidmos paying for schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589224)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: 180 avocado address queen of the night

conservahero kidmos pay for schools they dont even use bc they send their kids to private schools to avoid shitlibbery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589223)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:01 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

by choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589257)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:05 PM
Author: 180 avocado address queen of the night

not much of a choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589278)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:42 PM
Author: harsh native

“That they don’t use”

Lol. Our education system is increasingly a Keynesian jobs program whose biggest beneficiaries are the childless shrews that disproportionately work in education. Far from being free-loaders, nochildmos should be kissing the feet of childmos for creating a reason to pump money into the economy and keep CONSOOMERISM running.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590693)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:46 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Ape Legal Warrant

This but unironically. Public schools are evil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593687)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:46 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

how so? this would indeed be a reason to criticize and shame nokidmos, but i'm not convinced nokidmos ruin anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589153)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:52 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5209911&mc=32&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589183)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:52 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

its the fuckkng west village lmao how does this impact you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589187)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

adults and children should both be outside exercising. the fact that that there isn't sufficient space in nyc for people to do so is yet another illustration of what a shithole the city is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589216)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:38 PM
Author: Tan Razzle Pocket Flask Brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593637)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:51 PM
Author: Diverse hot half-breed

It's not that we aggressively shame them. It's more that they just don't matter and should just be dismissed when it comes to any kind of political decision-making.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589182)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:52 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

why don't they matter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589185)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:53 PM
Author: Diverse hot half-breed

"Why"

"How so?"

"Can you give an example?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589189)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:54 PM
Author: smoky school cafeteria

fart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589196)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:55 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

is it unreasonable to ask for some explanation of why a group of people doesn't matter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589200)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

first day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589210)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: garnet shrine filthpig

What's the point of life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589213)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

"why shouldn't we discard the opinions of people without a tangible personal investment in the future?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589230)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

that doesn't make any sense. if the people alive today have no investment in how things are, then the people born tomorrow have no investment in how things will be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589250)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:11 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Your poast is a sophistic non-sequitur, but that aside, you're equivocating between present focus and future focus.

"People now care about things being good now and securing a future that enables their current hedonism" (your position) is not a fucking counter warrant to "people without kids are not directly invested in a future that is conducive to the flourishing of future generations, especially when that is in conflict with their hedonism" (my position).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589317)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:40 PM
Author: beta talented area community account

it does

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591017)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:40 PM
Author: beta talented area community account

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591015)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:40 PM
Author: beta talented area community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591013)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:53 PM
Author: Sooty Cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589190)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:55 PM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589203)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:55 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589208)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: 180 avocado address queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589244)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:14 PM
Author: Insecure partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589586)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:37 PM
Author: iridescent alcoholic quadroon mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591355)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:42 AM
Author: galvanic buff principal's office jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593272)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:47 PM
Author: floppy preventive strike bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594068)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:53 PM
Author: smoky school cafeteria

nokidmos basically wear a sign around their neck that they're weird as fuck and are treated as such

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589191)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:53 PM
Author: Rose public bath people who are hurt

Being around kids changes adult brains....kids emit some sort of chemical so that the adults near them become obsessed with kids...sort of like that toxoplasmosis thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589194)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:54 PM
Author: garnet shrine filthpig

Efforts to self-brainwash

Same reason shitlibs go all-in on their most absurd beliefs. They're trying to convince themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589198)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:55 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Can't speak for others, but my dislike and skepticism of intentionally childless people is premised in the fact that those who make that choice often do so in pursuit or perpetuation of things that are generally societally bad. Additionally, these people all lack skin in the game for the future, and in the areas I most care about.

Careerism and hedonism are both horrible for people and communities, and they are cancerous for families. People who choose these things over family have divested themselves from the areas I most care about: what world will morally, culturally, and economically be best for my children?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589205)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

TL;DR: lol libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589209)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Exactly -- those who don't want kids can't relate to almost all of why I think what I do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589211)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:03 PM
Author: sickened space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589269)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589212)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:59 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

pretty disturbing that you think your only investment in the future is your own offspring tbh

why do kids matter, if people don't matter unless they have kids? the kids matter because presumably they'll grow up and have kids? that doesn't make any sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589234)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:06 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

?

Are you seriously trying to say that I should be equally invested in the success of humanity generally and the success of my children? That's not something people at large are capable of. Children create an investiture in the future that does not otherwise exist, and people that don't want kids inherently are invested in a different type of world, with different priorities.

Their idea of "good" or "prosperity" is intrinsically colored by not having to consider the future of their children.

I don't think it's hard to understand that children create a personal investment in the future world that someone otherwise doesn't have. However, if you can't also see why someone would want to create a multigenerational family, and why that's an intrinsic good, I don't think I'm going to be able to explain it to you in a way you'll understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589284)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:10 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i'm just playing with you, man. you're obviously too dumb to actually figure out why you feel what you feel, so i wasn't asking in good faith

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589305)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:18 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Poasting nonsensical truisms isn't an argument, and neither is "oh yeah? prove having kids is good! got a source for that?" I'm not going to type 2,000 words to outline a teleological argument for ya.

Pretending that no-kidmos have equivalent investment in the same future as kidmos is facile, and equivocating between those two different futures is equally stupid. This sort of sophistry is a cope for why your choice not to procreate doesn't diminish your societal importance and value (it does).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589354)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:20 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i wasn't kidding dude, you're really dumb. you can stop responding to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589361)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

ljl you've been gaped three times in this thread, pulling a spaceporn and saying "no YOU'RE the dumb one!" isn't going to save you here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589379)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:25 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

it's you in particular who is too dumb to have this conversation, not the other kidmos. just you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589398)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:33 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

again, this refrain won't save you

keep coping

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589431)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

save me from what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589486)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:40 PM
Author: iridescent alcoholic quadroon mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591368)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:18 PM
Author: Bateful foreskin background story

My cats will have offspring, and their offspring will have offspring, and so forth. A hundred years down the road, if there are still people, my great great great grandcatchild will still be somebody's adorable derp!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589351)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:14 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

"Are you seriously trying to say that I should be equally invested in the success of humanity generally and the success of my children?"

No, but your criticism of nokidmos is along the lines of "they lack investment in anything but themselves and so should be dismissed from political decision-making," but if your own investment is just in your children rather than the future of society generally, then that's not really any less selfish.

You can't just pretend that investment in your family's future is the exact same thing as investment in "society." Imagine some lib kike boomer with kids: he's going to agitate for more mass immigration to import Democrat votes, provide his kids with cheap labor, increase his kids' power to work as lib grifters who capitalize on racial strife, etc.

You obviously wouldn't agree with his vision for the future. Or if you look at some methed-out welfare queen with five kids, I doubt you'd want her involved in the political process either. Elsewhere you referred to "those two different futures," but there are a lot more than two different visions of the future and you can't just divide it into the kidmo vision and the nokidmo vision. If you list all the issues that are the most important to you (immigration? crime? opposing affirmative action/diversity nonsense? gun rights? free speech?) you aren't going to have nokidmos all lined up against you on all the issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590269)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:30 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

I think people will largely have inescapably selfish decision-making frameworks, but that parenthood is a good heuristic for whether their selfish priorities align with human flourishing. It's far from perfect ofc, and as I've said below, I think it's one prong of a test, not a binary. But those married, child-having libs are greatly outnumbered, according to most exit poll data. Pretty overwhelmingly, what married people with kids believe is best for their kids is a generally similar world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592145)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:14 PM
Author: Insecure partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589588)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:39 PM
Author: Filthy volcanic crater gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589692)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:48 PM
Author: harsh native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590737)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:00 PM
Author: Abusive pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590806)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:38 PM
Author: iridescent alcoholic quadroon mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591361)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:56 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

They have no stake in the future and live only for themselves. Their opinions shouldn't be considered or taken seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589215)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:57 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589221)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:59 PM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589233)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:40 PM
Author: comical slate patrolman box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589460)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:58 PM
Author: garnet shrine filthpig

I've never seen a thread go from zero to 33 this quickly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589231)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:00 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

Posting ITT and putting into words my displeasure with them has actually made me hate nonkidmos even more. Thanks OP!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589247)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:06 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589287)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 2:59 PM
Author: Filthy volcanic crater gas station

Because you're weird and have failed to fulfill your only biological purpose.

The same reason other weird people are bullied.

Humans can tell when someone is out of place and our herd instinct is to correct that aberrant behavior through shaming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589241)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:01 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

most men throughout history didnt reproduce

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589254)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:02 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

wow interesting. did women?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589261)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:03 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

they have no agency according to you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589267)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589272)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589275)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:05 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

bullshit lies by Jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589277)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:05 PM
Author: mildly autistic curious abode

based

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589282)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:01 PM
Author: Abusive pervert

is this true, do you have stats/links?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590816)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 8:01 AM
Author: cream dragon

Yes but every single one of your direct ancestors did, so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592538)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:03 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

why do you think "biological purpose" is significant, whatever you mean by that phrase?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589270)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:16 PM
Author: Filthy volcanic crater gas station

This is a corollary to our discussion in another thread about law.

Something deep in my brain is just repulsed by the type of person who eschews having a family for "solving problems for clients" in a law firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589345)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:20 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

oh no somebody doesn't want the same thing you do so repulsive. yeah you're clearly the healthy one here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589359)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:24 PM
Author: Filthy volcanic crater gas station

I'm not the one who needed to make a thread to explore my insecurity, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589392)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:31 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i have kids, but don't feel any particular animosity toward nokidmos. was curious why so many xo kidmos do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589426)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:18 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

Surely your saying that is a ruse--nobody who has children could ever think there are some people here who have genuine disdain for those without them. I think you should reexamine whether or not your kids are real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590564)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:27 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

lmao your takeaway from this thread is that nobody on xo has a genuine disdain for nokidmos?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590613)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:17 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

Just so we're clear because I have no idea what is and isn't real in this fever dream of a thread and how much my inherent bias as a childless foreveralone loser-fucker is impacting how I see things, it's the opposite and and I was making fun of someone who would think that. But I'm retarded and can't write good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590891)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:19 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i'm ugly and retarded and have a shitty personality, so it's quite possibly my fault

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590897)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:21 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

It's probably both, and that's why I really like it here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590907)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 5:04 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

(guy too dumb to get glaringly obvious sarcasm, calling other people dumb)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592366)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: Maize multi-colored fat ankles sneaky criminal

Tbf, there are billions who should not be reproducing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589274)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:10 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crystalline psychic

The denouement that I have zero investment in the future is 100% correct and in fact is the whole point for me. I don’t want any investment in the future of this world, that’s for sure. Also I’m a “biological failure” to those who are concerned with such things, which is not a group I fall into. So the accusations are indisputably correct, and my answer is “so what?”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589306)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:12 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

Okay awesome man, we'll continue to hate you for being a hedonistic fuckup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589322)



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Date: December 7th, 2022 1:00 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant new version

OYT isn't someone i'd describe as hedonistic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45599191)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:16 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

well, what i've learned from this thread is that nobody matters except inasmuch as they have kids, and of course the kids don't matter either, except inasmuch as they grow up and also have kids, and so on. nothing is important except bringing more human beings into existence, not because anything those human beings will do, feel or experience matters, but just so they can create still more human beings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589344)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:19 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

What I've learned from this thread is that it's our job to have kids so that the chunk of people that don't have kids can essentially free ride it on the lazy river they call life which of course is only possible for them based on the work and security that responsible families provide them. It's a really cool lifehack for you enjoy it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589357)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

lmao kidmos are giant freeloaders. did you get confused?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589375)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:25 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

Oh yeah for sure they are. You should really consider removing child tax credits then. You know, to balance the scales lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589402)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:27 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i'm not congress. sorry if i suggested i was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589410)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:28 PM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589415)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:14 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590545)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:23 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crystalline psychic

I live in a modest house and work long hours to support myself. I hardly do anything that most people would consider “fun”. And I didn’t ask to be here. I don’t feel like I owe anyone anything tbh.

I don’t doubt that many people love their kids and are better off for it. But I know that’s not me. And we all know the circular logic of “your life doesn’t matter unless you have kids” is nonsensical. I KNOW my life doesn’t matter. I will be the first to admit that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589382)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:27 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

To your credit, I certainly don't think all people without children are in the same boat. I think there are legitimate principled reasons or misfortunes where a person should not or cannot have a kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589411)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:41 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

It's not for everyone, and some people through unfortunate life circumstances want children and don't have any. I think what this thread is really about is the vocally proud nokidmos. It's like the shout your abortion contingent. It's grotesque and indicative of a fundamentally defective person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589461)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:20 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

That's how I interpreted the thread as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589624)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:21 PM
Author: Mustard reading party step-uncle's house

bump life is an emotional ponzi scheme.exe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589372)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:31 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Incredibly jewish poast (as with all of your garbage itt)

By claiming the value of those human experiences, you implicitly cede that those children have value because they can then experience those things. You also undermine your position that equivalent investment between kidmos and no-kidmos is possible, because kidmos are trying to secure those things for their kids.

This isn't intended to engage with you in good faith, it's intended to pwn you because you're both dumb and incredibly smug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589427)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:35 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

you're too dumb in this subthread too. it's more of a you problem than a problem with a particular thread or subthread. sorry if that wasn't clear!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589437)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:37 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

I can see why you're struggling to see the value of having children because if you do in fact have them, they definitely run intellectual circles around you and make your life hell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589449)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:39 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

oh my goodness you think so highly of yourself. i guess there's something to be said for self confidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589457)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:44 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

No, I think very lowly of you, and the reasoning you've exhibited itt.

I think I'm rather cognitively pedestrian, but I think your poasts itt are fucking braindead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589474)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

oh no the dumb guy thinks lowly of me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589483)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:21 PM
Author: Mustard reading party step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589365)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:13 PM
Author: Jet soggy tank

I don't resent them generally, but resent academics and their ilk, who want to brainwash other people's kids when they realize they realize they have nothing of substance to offer as parents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589325)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:23 PM
Author: Thriller Ladyboy

this is how liberals reproduce. let conservatives have giant families, trusting that their kids will follow in their good examples and values, and then ruthlessly subvert them for 15 years in big institutions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589385)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:21 PM
Author: azure spot really tough guy

I don't ridicule but I'm deeply suspicious of no kid bros. For no-kid women I actually don't bother with the suspicion. Women need to have a child to complete their version of becoming an adult. One study I poatsed here called the brain changes women have while pregnant closer toa second puberty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589363)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:24 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

ok i'll put you down in the "broscience" column

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589389)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:21 PM
Author: Medicated stimulating house place of business

same reason why marrieds shame non-marrieds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589366)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:23 PM
Author: Jet soggy tank

I generally have less respect for married no-kidmos than non-marrieds

The former is just resigning oneself to be a co-dependent for life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589388)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: Thriller Ladyboy

kidhavers ITT are winning the argument handily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589374)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:22 PM
Author: Mustard reading party step-uncle's house

i probably have kids out there so dont even care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589380)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:28 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

there you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589413)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:42 PM
Author: spectacular stag film

This thread is really proving why nonkidmos deserve to be bullied relentlessly. I couldn't form an argument as persuasive as some of these posts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589468)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:47 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589491)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:46 PM
Author: Swashbuckling ebony site karate

What about married couples who can't have kids?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589489)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:49 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

You mean like the state has deemed them to be such shit that they wont even give them kids that dont have parents?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589500)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:53 PM
Author: Swashbuckling ebony site karate

No. Couples who have infertility issues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589515)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Stain

They can clearly have kids in my poast. Are you brain damaged?

No one said biological children only you weird faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589519)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:50 PM
Author: razzmatazz puce piazza masturbator

I don't at all. The only people I shame are the childless who nevertheless live boring office drone lives.

can you really not think of anything better to do with your precious, fleeting time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589502)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:11 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

as a likely forever nokidmo because I took too long to correct my many mistakes of the past, this is understandable.

The reality is that most people who don't have kids end up as such simply because never find someone they wish to marry. This can be because they are ugly, fat, have unreasonable expectations, turboautists, genuinely unlucky, trust people too easily and get fucked, trust people too little and never connect, were genuinely stupid/naive enough to think the right woman will just walk into your life in the age of apphell and you don't need to put yourself out there, any large number of things to wildly varying degrees of their own fault.

The reddit NOKIDSLOLE crowd is very noticeable and annoying but that's just a specific incredibly small slice of all the people who never have kids. Most people who don't have kids simply do so because they go unmarried during their fertility years, for whatever the reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589575)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:23 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

I don't hold derision for those who can't have kids, for whatever reason. That doesn't preclude me from thinking that they should hold less decisive input because of less personal investiture.

I have a lot of derision for the vocal antinatalists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589639)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:42 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

That's understandable, but at the same time I would unironically put my life on the line to fight for equal representation (not like I have kids anyway). The sad fact is that moreso every year many people with kids today are poors who just fuck out of wedlock and such, but more importantly I see punishing someone for not having a family as inherently anti-democratic. You haven't actively done anything to harm society unlike say a repeat felon. There's also the whole "slippery slope" aspect of how do you judge someone's worthiness to participate in society? Once we go down that hole I find it very hard to believe it magically stops at a simple "children/no children" split.

And I think tons of people without kids, if not the great majority, would agree antinatalists are stupid assholes if anyone ever did a poll. Nihilism is one of the most broadly detestable traits and it is difficult to find a more deeply nihilistic group than them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589702)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:04 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crystalline psychic

How dare you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589770)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:12 PM
Author: Diverse hot half-breed

Why does anti-democratic = bad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589800)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:28 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

You can only restrict the voting power of a group if voting exists in the first place. It's a discussion with the underlying assumption of some value of democracy, and in that context I believe anti-democratic = bad because it's Democracy For Me. I don't think it's inherently bad e.g. in actual debate over forms of government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589855)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:10 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592096)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action

A sizable portion of the anti-natalists that I've met over the years have been some of the most conscientious and empathetic people you could possibly run across, people in possession of that weird and frankly unsettling ascended Buddha-like unreserved care and concern for their environment & the randos in it

People get into that framework for a large variety of reasons, doesn't seem fair to paint them all with the same brush just because reddit exists. It is conceivable that someone could find themselves in the anti-natalist camp from a desire to escape what they perceive as nihilism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589893)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

I think that speaks more to the kind of people you run across than anything (which is a good thing, I would love to run into someone like that but I'm boring and anti-social). People who are anti-natalist for nihilistic rather than empathetic reasons are much less likely to disclose their views in a conservation over some beers, but there are far far more of them online than those who hold the view out of a deeply considered set of values. It's obvious just by the tone of discourse and vitriol you see on anti-natalist reddits or twitter etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589910)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:21 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

"There's also the whole "slippery slope" aspect of how do you judge someone's worthiness to participate in society? Once we go down that hole I find it very hard to believe it magically stops at a simple "children/no children" split."

Highly credited point. Lol at Laqueesha and Juanita being more deserving of participation in society than some educated, intelligent, tax-paying white-collar bro just because they shat out a bunch of KEEDS and he didn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590292)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:27 PM
Author: Federal slimy crackhouse gaming laptop

Brother I mean this as kindly as possible, but you don't really understand logic do you? Having kids doesn't inherently mean you are good or more deserving (although I could say most of them who made the choice to raise new life in good faith probably are), but those who make a conscious decision NOT to are definitely defective and worthy of derision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590610)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:31 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

Apparently you struggle with reading comprehension? The poast I was responding to was about how to measure nokidsmos' (and others') worthiness of participation in society; it had nothing to do with whether nokidmos are "defective and worthy of derision" (whatever that means).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590640)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:13 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Laqueesha and Juanita shouldn't be participating in societal decision-making at all unless they're also significant property owners. I don't view having kids as some ultimate binary test for societal participation, I view it a a necessary but insufficient condition for full political input.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592104)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:08 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

why should your particular investment in like 2 other people be more important than the input of someone who, at least potentially, might be more interested in the overall outlook for humanity absent parochial concerns for what is most important to themselves alone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589787)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:10 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

you seem confused. his framing accords himself more power and prestige, so clearly it's correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589798)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:11 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

selfishness is a hell of a drug

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589799)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:31 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Right now, it actually accords me less

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592148)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:26 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590312)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:19 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Because they lack skin in the game. I'm uninterested in just assuming everyone who is childless has somehow assumed a deep, personal investment in the future of others' kids, since modernity has pretty well given the lie to that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592121)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 10:11 AM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

Whereas modernity has demonstrated that parents are actively building a better world for their children? ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592836)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:41 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

In fact, statistically, married adults with children are much likelier to support things that create a better world for their children. Meanwhile, the rise of singleness directly correlates to all of the evils modernity hath wrought.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594350)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 3:56 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

kids are an opportunity to relieve yourself of the burden of mortality, having realized your own life is meaningless you can now invest in "the future" or some other vague sense of living on through your children, childlessness reminds you that, ultimately, this is a lie you're telling yourself and you and your dumbass friend will end up in the same hole and his wasted life will amount to precisely the same thing as yours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589527)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:02 PM
Author: Self-absorbed metal sound barrier becky

This topic is a great reminder of why kidmos hate nokidmos. Nokidmos are insufferable fags

(Not counting anyone without a kid as a nokidmos here)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589543)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:04 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

explain/describe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589547)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:08 PM
Author: smoky school cafeteria

(insufferable fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589558)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:09 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

that's just mean!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589565)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:07 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592215)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:28 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

it is not in general because they resent them--that's just as dumb as saying anyone without children is a narcissistic hedonist. it is because in the absence of actual religion or community in our modern society many people solely build around the interests of their family. in the not-so-distant past having children wasn't seen as some sort of societal obligation and nobody would say "but I'm a father first". they had too many children and too much shit to do for their primary identity to be be based around family, to say nothing of the fact that there was a good chance you could keel over at any time due to consumption or a scraped knee getting infected or who knows what. that's not to say they wouldn't die for their children--they would, but there was no extreme social divide other than sometimes nokidmos were just seen as weirdos.

tl;dr it's because "it takes a village" doesn't exist anymore. so many kidmos see raising a family as the most important and defining part of their identity. instead of science as religion it is children as religion, although it's a far more understandable position to have given the former are usually 110 iq midwits who don't really give a fuck about science anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589664)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:44 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Weird projection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589710)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:45 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589715)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:51 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Society is replete with hatred for kidhavers — kids are "crotchgoblins" and people who have them, "breeders," etc. In contrast, those who would extol the traditional ways are seldom strident; we are by and large content to let nokidmos go their own way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589730)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:01 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

hmm. the title of the op pretty clearly implies that kidmos criticize and shame nokidmos, not the other way around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589758)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:05 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

I am challenging that and saying it's an inversion of the truth; that's why I called it projection. (To psychologize, since this is a dumb discussion forum: I think that nokidmos tend to hate/resent/envy normal things like children and people who have them, and so they cope, seethe, lash out, etc. These feelings are unacceptable to some, so they're projected onto kidmos. HTH.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589772)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:08 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

ok you could've just posted "no u". you're not getting paid by the word

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589784)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:09 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589793)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:19 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

That seems like a very large extrapolation from a vocal online community. It would be like saying conservatism is infected with a widespread virus of full-on 1488 because the "/pol+Anglin sphere" is so visible--to a significantly greater degree in our culture than nokids reddits. Some certainly do believe this, but it isn't true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589827)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:36 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

That you felt the need to poast this just proves my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589896)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:21 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

Why did you feel the need to make that reply?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590293)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:22 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Probably b/c filled with envy at your full life and rich understanding of topics like healthcare economics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590297)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:29 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

Sometimes there is no truth, but that itself may be a lie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590330)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:29 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

"Society is replete with hatred for kidhavers — kids are "crotchgoblins" and people who have them, "breeders," etc."

Weird poast. "Society" isn't replete with that hatred or those terms, unless by "society" you mean lib subreddits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590322)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:11 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

I stand by the statement that society is replete with hatred for kidhavers. Those terms exemplify the trend. When has modern Western society been more antikid than the present?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590530)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:14 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

Where have you ever seen those terms anywhere other than r/childfree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590548)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:20 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

You seem determined to get into a pointless conversation about the terms while skirting the substantive point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590578)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:25 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

Okay, so tell us why you think that "society is replete with hatred for kidhavers." You haven't pointed to any evidence for this other than the fact that redditors like to call children crotchgoblins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590597)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:26 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

I'm sorry I pointed out you have never been in biglaw, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590606)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:29 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

Are you confusing me with someone else...? I don't remember any discussion with you involving biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590624)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:33 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Yes, with poastradamus. Pardon me, I figured you must have some motivated reasoning rationale for going from going from latching on to words used to demanding evidence! Statistics! Studies! etc. to prove an obvious observation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590649)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:37 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

Oh, I'm sorry, I should have realized that it was "obviouth" that society is REPLETE with HATRED for kidhavers. Just look at all those nasty nokidmos and their talk of crotchgoblins and breeders! What more could one want to substantiate this claim. Why, just the other month, the prestigious New York Times, are paper of record, ran an essay extoling the virtues of childlessness! It can't be an easy life being a kidmo these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590669)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:41 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Lmao why so mad jfc pet your cat bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590686)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:42 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

I'm mad because society is replete with hatred for cat-havers — cats are "little furry bastards" and people who have them, "creepy cat-people," etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590692)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:44 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

*backs away slowly*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590700)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:45 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

When has modern Western society been more anti-cat than the present?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590707)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:49 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Cr, g1, you don't seem at all exercised

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590738)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:50 PM
Author: Primrose submissive church

"exercised"...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590747)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:52 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590756)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 8:38 AM
Author: fuchsia voyeur

Lol wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592600)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 10:46 AM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

I'm sorry I got you confused with this godless windbag. Iirc you have kids. I'm very mentally ill and don't read things carefully.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592994)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:16 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

friendly fyi -- huge redditeur tell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590556)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:20 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

One wonders why you were unable to reproduce.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590579)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:29 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

don't get snippy just because i pointed out that you obviously spend a lot of time on reddit

if you want to start a why does xo criticize and shame redditeurs thread i'll participate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590625)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:30 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Gbtr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590633)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:32 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

what are some of your favorite subreddits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590645)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:34 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

The only one I read is hajimenoippo. Great arc rn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590656)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:36 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

fine, don't tell me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590662)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:37 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

If you've got some you think I should check out, let me know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590671)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:16 PM
Author: concupiscible flatulent point

The scenario in the OP primarily only exists in nokidmos’ heads, and perhaps in internet threads that beg the question like this one

IRL, nokidmos are far more disdainful of kidmos (both explicitly and implicitly) than the other way around. Especially in the workplace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591640)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:50 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

I put this in a subthread but adding it down here:

It's not for everyone, and some people through unfortunate life circumstances want children and don't have any. I think what this thread is really about is the vocally proud nokidmos. It's like the shout your abortion contingent. It's grotesque and indicative of a fundamentally defective person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589724)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:50 PM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589727)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 4:57 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

I'm not vocal about it, because it is rude, but exerting any pressure at all on someone to breed when they have even the slightest reason not to is real retarded sir, we do not suffer from an abundance of good parents or a lack of shitty kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589742)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:25 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

I never said they SHOULD "breed." If they don't want to then fine. But I see it as a personality defect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589847)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:30 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

what do you think the word "should" means?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589869)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:38 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

I see it like smoking. If you wanna smoke, you do you. But I’m going to think less of you for it. The fact that they don't WANT to have kids is the defect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590382)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:00 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

I agree with everything you said, but I also strongly believe there's a rapidly increasing excessive veneration of having a family by many in society--like I mentioned above, a "children as religion to fill the void of community or proper religion" sort of thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589751)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:52 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Probably reflective of the birth rate, and how few people are actually having children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592195)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:00 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

no i'm pretty sure all nokidmos should be bullied and ostracized, not just the vocal ones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589753)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:19 PM
Author: magenta lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590573)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:03 PM
Author: poppy mentally impaired menage

having kids makes you low T as a man.

i could beat the shit out of any "man" raising "kiddos" in a nuclear family. it's only alpha to have a bunch of bastard children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589763)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:09 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

there's a lot of scholarship that raising daughters is cuckoldry, but i figured raising sons would be alpha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589791)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:12 PM
Author: poppy mentally impaired menage

HAVING sons is alpha, raising them is for women. if you become a family man you lose your edge and get soft, more caring/empathetic, less selfish, less willing to take risks, etc. pretty much the opposite of alpha.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589801)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:27 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

but do boys raised by women turn out to be alpha?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589853)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:05 PM
Author: Abusive pervert

as a nokidmo my dream here is women raising them, but men being around often enough to provide good examples, leadership, advice at key junctures etc. I don't know if this is right and I'm sure some good dads out there will jump in to tell me that being involved continuously and often is much better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590831)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:13 PM
Author: Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican

Excellent bait for a triple rack thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589805)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:46 PM
Author: Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594064)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:16 PM
Author: Odious Business Firm

One of my best friends and his wife are childless. I would never consider giving him a hard time about it or even comment on it at all. Their choice, I don't have a problem with it. However, I find that, as the years go on, his wife is becoming weirder. hard to explain how. She only has one cat now, but I can see that increasing exponentially if my buddy dies before her. Bottom line is that women who don't have kids seem to get pretty weird when they get older.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589817)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:24 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

want to make sure i got this right. the wife's weirdness, today, consists of having a cat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589842)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:27 PM
Author: Odious Business Firm

You don't have it right-- I said I couldn't really explain it. She looks like a skeleton, she is obsessed with health-- constantly telling us of all her ills, would not see anyone for a long time because of COVID-fear, all her texts involve cat memes, etc. I have known this woman a really long time and I just feel that she has gotten weirder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589849)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

ok why didn't you lead with that. totally agree that you never see mothers with weird fixations/obsessions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589860)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:30 PM
Author: Odious Business Firm

cuz I'm half drunk-- having 3 kids will do that to you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589866)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Geriatric Twinkling Corner Mexican

Low key strongest antikidmo poast itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589909)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:30 PM
Author: Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action

Why assume that her mutation is from childlessness and not eg the bottom very visibly falling out on our society these last few years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589870)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:33 PM
Author: Odious Business Firm

She is NPC so it likely doesn't register with her that our society is dun here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589889)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:37 PM
Author: Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action

Sure, as a gestalt maybe, but everyone and their mother, NPCs included, has been personally coming to terms with at least one sticky facet of the social free fall to disintegration that the COVID years have ushered in ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589899)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

embarrassing question. people who live as xo thinks one ought to are healthy, happy and well adjusted, like an xo poster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589892)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action

😕

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589902)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:33 PM
Author: Histrionic Outnumbered Chad

obv women are built for breeding, this isn't controversial

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589883)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

Slowly you will probably see her treating her cat like a human child. Wonder why!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45589891)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:19 PM
Author: Exhilarant misunderstood meetinghouse double fault

Would love to explain at length but my senior heir needs help loading dinosaurs into a truck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590288)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:28 PM
Author: charismatic skinny woman

No one does this. We stridently and aggressively talk about how great kids are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590321)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:53 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

that's not really true. if kidmos made a practice of sharing the joy that kidhaving brings them, that would brighten the board and be welcome by everyone. instead, i see a lot of comments about how nokidmos are defective, selfish, freeloaders, should have fewer rights, should be bullied, etc. share the joy instead of trying to tear people down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590469)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 4:00 PM
Author: charismatic skinny woman

That’s because you poast on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594902)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:32 PM
Author: Deranged sepia windowlicker

too true. when I was married, I got this all the time, in spite of the fact my ex had 2 miscarriages and 1 stillborn. people who are blessed with children are mean.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590350)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 7:47 PM
Author: rusted deer antler

have only seen and heard the opposite of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590419)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:11 PM
Author: concupiscible flatulent point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591608)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:04 PM
Author: internet-worthy talking boiling water school

True derision should be reserved for married couples who voluntarily don't have kids. What the fuck is wrong with those "people"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590500)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:07 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590510)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:17 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i don't think they vote or do hold office, though. too busy doing drugs and other deviances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590560)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:19 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590572)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:38 PM
Author: Saffron parlor

Sotomayor and Kagan hold office and are nokidmos which is absolutely devastating for nokidmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590674)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:45 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i dunno, they seem pretty successful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590706)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:42 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

that you think this is strong evidence for every kidmos argument itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592172)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:06 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

lol isn't half of Europe run by childless women?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590838)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:08 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i don't think women are allowed to run whole continents, or even half of one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590848)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:13 PM
Author: Racy Regret Hunting Ground

Har har

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590866)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:13 AM
Author: salmon milk

Came here to post this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591859)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:25 PM
Author: orange nudist den

Does this happen? Are some nokidmos mistaking asymmetry of understanding for derision? All kidmos have been nokidmos, but nokidmos have never been kidmos unless they have offed the offspring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590600)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:30 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

you could... read the thread...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590629)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:33 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

hey man, OldHLSDude gets to say whatever he wants and not give a fuck about "words". I can barely string together a coherent thought at less than half his age.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590650)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:56 PM
Author: Dun pit

I don’t think this happens. No kidmos just feel shame and project it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590781)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:00 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

it's happening in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590809)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:46 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

Consider that your grating style of interaction has generated more specific animus towards your position than poaster actually normally hold

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592178)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 8:56 PM
Author: Federal slimy crackhouse gaming laptop

For the "I love science" crowd (which no doubt has an insanely disproportionate number of nokidmos): how do you reconcile that the purpose of life is to procreate, and thus those who fail to do so are evolutionary defects? In other words, people who consciously choose not to have kids are genetic rubbish.

Also, as many said above, a nokidmo simply cant view the world the same way as someone who actually has skin in the game re the future of our species. Having a child is inarguably the single most important developmental milestone for a human. We don't care what nokidmos think about what's good for society for the same reasons that we dismiss the ideas of inexperienced, idiotic teenagers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590782)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:05 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

treating natural selection as a normative rule is a category error

the "skin in the game" argument is incoherent or question begging

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590832)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:13 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

You're probably ugly irl and your personality is annoying, as evidenced in this thread. Nobody gives a shit if you don't have kids, yet you apparently see it as an "identity," which is pathetic, and then go to great lengths to get people to engage with you about it. You then get to play the victim & whinge about how the mean kidmos are oppressing you. Gas yourself you waste of space lmao.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590865)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:15 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

wow you're really upset about the whole reddit thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590878)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:27 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Guess so. My points stand regardless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590928)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:38 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

i said that you're maf, not that you're wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590999)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:39 PM
Author: laughsome factory reset button

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591003)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:19 PM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45590896)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:39 PM
Author: Transparent slap-happy parlour private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591008)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:04 PM
Author: beta talented area community account

(kid haver checking the same boxes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591161)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:03 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592210)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:03 PM
Author: Dun pit

Yeah. He’s just a moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591154)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:40 PM
Author: Apoplectic theatre

I have a patient here who is 50 and a great grandmother. She had her first kid at 15. I guess the retard populists on here consider her a "hero".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591011)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 8:18 AM
Author: vigorous bbw casino

Lol, it’s sinking in for you that you’ll never have kids isn’t it whok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592566)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 9:41 PM
Author: beta talented area community account

depends on race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591020)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:12 PM
Author: bronze arousing office old irish cottage

now that's xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591219)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 10:40 PM
Author: iridescent alcoholic quadroon mediation

lol OP gaped over and over like hes little SP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591373)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:01 PM
Author: Territorial trip hell

For better or worse, humans need a purpose (see studies where people in nursing home live longer if they have a plant to care for), and raising kids is the purpose that has driven humans for centuries.

If you have a great career or some other great purpose, you can hide some of this. Most professional athletes are shitty dads because they're purpose is playing in front of 60,000 adoring fans.

But if you're not a rock star, people start to get weird if they're kidless.

They get really into "going to dinner" and act like having other people cook them food is the reason they are on earth.

They're difficult to deal with at work because their work defines them, whereas everyone else wants to punch out at 5 oclock.

They are super into their pets, showing other peope pictures of them - as if they're golden retriever doesn't look like the stock photo of a fucking golden retreiver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591525)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:07 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

You could just tldr and say people without kids are faggots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591579)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:11 PM
Author: concupiscible flatulent point

Doesn’t really happen IME.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591605)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:39 PM
Author: Exhilarant misunderstood meetinghouse double fault

Here's my grand theory of this topic:

Average people have kids or don't have kids for basically arbitrary reasons mostly to do with herding and instincts. We can ignore this crowd, it's like asking why some feral cats make a lot of kittens.

High-IQ autists with successful careers and iffy social/emotional skills (i.e. core XO demographic) hit age 28-30 and think "ok, I'm good at the thing I do, sometimes have fun, and am no longer poor. but it's all gay and retarded. what now?" We are caught between two thoughts:

1. my parents, who are mentally ill, ugly, weird boomers, found each other and made me. I can do better than that. I will find a wife with a complementary set of abilities and disabilities and form little people we love and stay together as a family. Then we can do fun stuff with our kids and guide the development of exciting new people instead of living a life of email and empty consumption in a spotless apartment until we die.

2. kids will fuck up my routine - house will be a perpetual mess, wife and I will be frazzled, I will never be the very best specialist XYZ counsel because I will sometimes not read the new regs immediately or answer emails within an hour, and I'll never have the free time to master League of Legends or do that big hiking trip or whatever the fuck gay shit I like. Instead I'll have to things I don't want to do like hold crying baby and clean up poop. And I fear change!

Most higher-functioning people with no real world impediment to kid-having can find a good partner and reason their way to choosing #1 even though it is costly and challenging. So when you look at a peer choosing #2 you think "wow that guy must be a real bitchmade faggot who is worried that his imaginary son would knock over his very real ship-in-a-bottle collection and so he's opted to die alone in a nursing home while a Jamaican nurse shouts at him."

Whatever other shit you like to do, you can do it (a) before you have kids, (b) while someone watches your kids (hint: almost any non-sex-offender can competently watch your kids above age 2 for a few hours if you provide food, a box of building supplies and a working TV), (c) with your kids if they get into it which they probably will since they are your kids, (d) after your kids develop their own interests and leave your house which they will if they are remotely normal. You're alive for a damn long time and nobody says "man if I just had another 15-20 years of pointless striving and focusing alone on my hobbies, I think I really could have gotten somewhere!"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591735)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:48 PM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

You're missing out on the entire demographic of people who are just forever alone and never get to the point of having kids because they don't have a woman.

Technically of course most of these people (myself included) could easily find some obese prole to breed out, but ending up divorced from a woman who might as well be an alien and having custody every other weekend sounds like a nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591772)



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Date: December 5th, 2022 11:55 PM
Author: Exhilarant misunderstood meetinghouse double fault

I figured that it went without saying that it sucks to be so ugly and shitty that everyone you have ever met that is approximately in your range would rather be alone than put up with you, and to be so depressed that you can't mount some self-improvement plan to elevate your range. When we talk about nokidmos we mean people in a relationship who choose not to have kids because they're "preventing overpopulation" or "can't afford it".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591799)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:00 AM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

That's fair but nothing goes without saying when everyone involved is autistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45591821)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:49 AM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

MFCR, this thread has proven that, if nothing else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592184)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 5:18 AM
Author: Contagious Cocky Affirmative Action

This is very much "a thing"

Add it to the record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592369)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 10:21 AM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

it's not only "a thing", I would wager there are far more people who don't marry and never have kids than married couples without kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592882)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:17 AM
Author: onyx big dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592115)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 10:01 AM
Author: spectacular stag film

Very very CR and insightful theory. The idea of someone putting off kids to become a League of Legends master is making me roll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592807)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 10:30 AM
Author: Saffron parlor

"High-IQ autists with successful careers and iffy social/emotional skills (i.e. core XO demographic) hit age 28-30 and think "ok, I'm good at the thing I do, sometimes have fun, and am no longer poor. but it's all gay and retarded. what now?"

mods jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592919)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:10 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry

good take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594186)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:15 AM
Author: onyx big dilemma

because misery loves company

but also

because once you are a parent, your entire worldview and priorities change, and it's very hard to see eye to eye with someone without kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45592109)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:45 AM
Author: dull mind-boggling orchestra pit national security agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593294)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Vermilion pontificating nursing home mental disorder

priorities changing makes perfect sense, but DESCRIBE how your "worldview" suddenly changed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593348)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 12:36 PM
Author: dull mind-boggling orchestra pit national security agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593619)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:11 PM
Author: amber rigor faggotry

rack him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594192)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 2:44 PM
Author: Adventurous cumskin dopamine

This is EXACTLY what I'm referring to when I say that personal investment in the future is different than some abstract concern with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594371)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:44 AM
Author: galvanic buff principal's office jew

*wordlessly steps into this thread, lone flashlight beam playing shadows over the wreckage*

"Dear God...."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593288)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 11:48 AM
Author: spectacular stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593313)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: fuchsia voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45593903)



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Date: December 6th, 2022 4:01 PM
Author: silver trailer park coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45594908)



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Date: December 7th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: orange nudist den

Know two couples my age who decided not to have kids early on because "the world is too terrible a place into which to bring children." They are both UMC professional couples and extreme shitlibs who boom to the max. To me that is boring, but different strokes, etc. Suspect one wife has had at least one abortion after marriage. Do other poasters encounter this or agree? OTOH, know many couples with high kid count: 9-12. My grandfather was one of 13 and wife is one of 8. Her dad said they didn't figure out what was causing them until after #4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5247733&forum_id=2#45599143)