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Date: January 6th, 2023 3:14 PM Author: Supple Goyim
what were your previous monikers other than upset jew?
how come you didn't start a new shtick for 2023? i didn't like this one originally, but it grew on me eventually. but i think it's pretty much played out now. need something new
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Date: January 6th, 2023 3:19 PM Author: motley copper set
previous monikers:
psycho karen
queensbridge benzo
emotionally + physically abusive ex-husband
cyber ninjas chopping bamboo ballots
im running multiple schticks simultaneously. i like this one because it's who i truly am on the inside <3
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Date: January 6th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Aqua Federal Casino
why do you believe in transgenderism? (aside from edge cases like hermaphrodites and serious hormonal imbalances).
why can't an effeminate guy just be "fem" or a butch gal just be "butch"? why do you think that a person can change their gender when they they are biologically their assigned gender with all the appropriate sex organs?
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Date: January 6th, 2023 3:29 PM Author: motley copper set
1. why do you believe in transgenderism? (aside from edge cases like hermaphrodites and serious hormonal imbalances).
because it's true and based like christianity to christians (not flame). i think that barbaric cosmetic procedures like e.g. female phalloplasty, male vaginoplasty, mastectomies and orchidectomies should be unprofessional conduct to perform, but people have a right to whatever kind of (healthy) endocrine system they prefer. this applies to trenmaxxers for example. (normal cosmetic surgeries like facial feminization etc should be fine too).
imo i think this is a general transhumanist perspective.
2. why can't an effeminate guy just be "fem"
nasty after 25 but sure they can
3. or a butch gal just be "butch"?
based but they all seem to want to be male. also all have severe psychological trauma. coincidence?
4. why do you think that a person can change their gender when they they are biologically their assigned gender with all the appropriate sex organs?
y not? it's based. if anything im more inclined to respect someone's gender when they don't do horrible surgeries to try and prove it. imo what ur referring to as gender identifies gender roles, gender and sex as all the same thing, which iml proves that it's more or less similar to the gay marriage debate: gender is tied up with so many other things that it makes sense to just say ur a man/woman.
many trannies u talk to about gender will say something similar: most have fun and exciting genders or whatever, but in the end it just makes sense to be male/female
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Date: January 6th, 2023 3:39 PM Author: Aqua Federal Casino
well because gender is objective and determined by genitalia, chromosomes, etc. your argument about "transhumanism" could be made to support anything like believing your a toaster oven. but i appreciate the GOOD FAITH explanation even though it seems like our difference of opinion is based on what something "is" and thus impossible to reconcile.
you've said before that you don't like transgender shit being pushed onto normies. what is your take on how transgenderism has exploded onto the mainstream and has become an unavoidable topic constantly?
what percentage of people do you think are truly transgender? (i.e. including closeted ones but discounting normies just looking for clout)
how much do you really care about not being able to use a female bathroom? do you think there is some validity that other people are uncomfortable with someone they see as another gender sharing a bathroom with them? or does a transexuals right to use a public bathroom of their chosen gender override everything?
what are your thoughts on transgender people being sent to prisons of their gender choice? there have been instances of rape with MTFs, and even absent that it may be uncomfortable for female prisoners. also, do you think there should be any guardrails in place to ensure dudes don't just fake being transgender to be sent to a women's prison?
what are you thoughts on MTF athletes that have gone through male puberty competing in female sports?
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Date: January 6th, 2023 4:17 PM Author: motley copper set
1. well because gender is objective and determined by genitalia, chromosomes, etc. your argument about "transhumanism" could be made to support anything like believing your a toaster oven.
cr https://archive.ph/20200101232918/http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/fall_01_20/
2. but i appreciate the GOOD FAITH explanation even though it seems like our difference of opinion is based on what something "is" and thus impossible to reconcile.
what the meaning of the word 'is' is, tp
3. you've said before that you don't like transgender shit being pushed onto normies. what is your take on how transgenderism has exploded onto the mainstream and has become an unavoidable topic constantly?
it's a mixed blessing. kids were probably a lot easier to groom into weird things when being a tranny was 'under the radar' and you had to rely on insane ex-crossdressers online for advice onto how to inject everclear into your balls. but now there's 105 iq midwit takes on gender that everyone has to toe the line on as a matter of moral integrity. veddy veddy bad for transgenders, who arguably were on the cusp of being culturally neutral like gays were.
but then again, if trannies/gays weren't stomped on by Rs all the time, they'd end up being annoying chuds. the libertarian/right wing trannies i knew have mostly disappeared now. nothing like bioleninism to keep the left wing strong
4. what percentage of people do you think are truly transgender? (i.e. including closeted ones but discounting normies just looking for clout)
no clue as far as statistics are concerned. my criterion has always been whether the person in question wants the hormone levels of the opposite sex. past that, it's a 'know em when i see em' thing a lot of the time. dangerbeards, fetish freaks, self-harmers are all prevalent, but i think most of them go off hormones if they ever were on them.
5. how much do you really care about not being able to use a female bathroom? do you think there is some validity that other people are uncomfortable with someone they see as another gender sharing a bathroom with them? or does a transexuals right to use a public bathroom of their chosen gender override everything?
the last time i went into a male restroom the guy stepped back out, looked at the sign, looked at me, look back in the sign, then sheepishly walked in (i pissed in the urinal right after just to fuck with him). the last time my wife tried to go into a male restroom a giant italian man stood in her path, shook his head, and pointed at the female restroom.
anyway, part of the problem with legislating gender is, as you mentioned, sussing out fakers and giant beard guys. if you are going to do it, i think it should be as simple as the gender on ur ID, which should be easily changed. i got my id changed back when they required medical documentation and i didn't have a problem w it, but even just changing ur id without any documentation says a lot about how sincere you are about your gender identification.
legislating based on 'discomfort' is also stupid. next we'll start banning JACKED males from using male restrooms because they frighten the soys. mandatory diaper use for high muscle mass males. minus the faker issue this is essentially just a retread of whether we should have colored restrooms to avoid frightening the white ladies
6. what are your thoughts on transgender people being sent to prisons of their gender choice? there have been instances of rape with MTFs, and even absent that it may be uncomfortable for female prisoners. also, do you think there should be any guardrails in place to ensure dudes don't just fake being transgender to be sent to a women's prison?
i think u should have to be 1. no serious violent or sex offenses within the past 5 yrs and 2. enforced hrt with hormone level checks. i think that solves both ur questions. good luck raping a woman with 10 ng/dL testosterone LMAO. ofc if u rape a woman in prison (with actual proof, bc i specifically remember the first mtf prisoner in female prison being wrongly accused of rape) then probably it's time for the ball chop.
7. what are you thoughts on MTF athletes that have gone through male puberty competing in female sports?
my thoughts in order:
- female sports are a Joke. why not just have one Sport
- i think the male bones r better or something?
- really if someone transitioned at like 12 then maybe.
i have no real opinion on this tbh because i dont know enough about sports. iirc men are so far superior to women that it's barely even a contest. then again i had a cis woman beat me arm wrestling even though i regularly outmatch cis guys, so who knows.
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Date: January 6th, 2023 5:13 PM Author: Aqua Federal Casino
ty for your thoughtful reply!
two thoughts:
1) of course there should be laws on based on "making people uncomfortable." otherwise why not just display giant flopping cocks or gore in times square? the purpose of law is to enable a civilized society, which does include stopping people from doing antisocial things or doing things that make the majority feel odd. that doesn't necessarily mean this leads to extremes (e.g. your example of banning anything that makes people uncomfortable).
2) put yourself if a girl who has dedicated her life to Sports. do you know how much effort it takes to become an elite athlete? it's a lot. and then some dude in a dress comes and steals their valor. that's not fair.
as far as "a girl once beat me in arm wrestling once", no shit. it's not that EVERY girl is inferior to EVERY guy at Sport. I couldn't run a fucking marathon right now and i'm in good shape. and i bet an elite female heavyweight mma fighter could kick my ass. but when we're comparing elite athletes versus elite athletes, there is just no contest.
female bench press record is 605lbs. male bench press record is 1,320 lbs. you really think that's because the dude trained that much harder? it's just a biological fact the men (in the aggregate, and especially at top levels) will outcompete women in most sports.
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Date: January 6th, 2023 5:33 PM Author: motley copper set
1. uncomfortable vs shocking seems clear 2 me. nonpassing trannies in bathrooms are obviously the former. now if a tranny is going around putting spy cameras in there or groping women that's something else entirely
we all know that in reality the goal is to make it impossible for trannies to go out in public at all (because obviously a roided up ftm in the woman's room is going to get harassed/arrested under these laws), so obviously we're going to be vicious about this one no matter what
2. yea i have no serious opinion on Female Sport. i think the trannies should have dropped it personally.
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Date: January 6th, 2023 10:58 PM Author: Cocky Aromatic Lay Cumskin
No, it’s done with all medications and ethically justified because society as a whole benefits to have a firm understanding about which therapies that work and don’t work. It happens with cancer patients. It can happen with trannies.
What’s unethical is widespread prescribing of these medications to children which may have great unknown negative medical effects without any proof of efficacy. They should only be offered in an experimental setting until safety and efficacy is established.
Also LOL at you now deflecting with “I’m not a doctor,” which isn’t stopping you from making arguments when you can articulate a response.
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