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Mensa: LSAT changes 163 --> 171. GMAT ...no change. Y?
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:00 PM Author: Slimy Volcanic Crater Boltzmann Why is this the case? Is it that the GMAT applicant pool is more intelligent? Is it that the LSAT applicant pool is so much more prestige whorish that Mensa lost respect of the legal profession? Or does Mensa want to weed out loud, obnoxious lawyers who attend meetings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172823) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:02 PM Author: Sick Exciting Base Maybe they're pissed that the games aren't as hard anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172846) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:12 PM Author: Slimy Volcanic Crater Boltzmann Maybe it is blatant disrespect to the LSAT applicant pool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172925) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:27 PM Author: fishy stage mental disorder The de-emphesis on games probably makes it a more g-loaded test because that section is the most teachable. They should like that. They probably had other reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695794) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:13 PM Author: Fragrant abode maybe a 163 isn't what it used to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172932) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:18 PM Author: Sick Exciting Base That's almost certainly the wrong answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172966) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:24 PM Author: Fragrant abode how do you know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173007) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 11:07 AM Author: lake location Really, you have to be able to make a case that 163 is radically different from the initial uise of the score to make the jump to 171.
I seriously doubt it, it seems more that they'd rather narrow non Mensa tests for admission without it looking too overt and this is the best way t do it. They already closed out the SAT and GRE--the first was understandable but the second was iffy and this seems like the next logical step. |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 10:48 AM Author: Indecent pit Subject: 11 because math is more difficult for people than reading is. LSAT has no math, and is therefore a breeze. The GMAT I actually had to study for.
PS I scored in the top 6% on both, so that makes me 1337. |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:53 PM Author: aromatic water buffalo house Uh, no it doesn't. Any idiot should be able to score 99%ile + on both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695938) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:56 PM Author: Black Useless Brakes Newt that seems reasonable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695954) |
Date: December 8th, 2006 8:14 PM Author: Curious office That's odd. A 171 is above the 98th percentile, and MENSA is for people people with 98th percentile or better IQs.
They're basically saying that people who take the LSAT are, on average, dumber than normal. |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:17 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency yeah, but the LSAT is taken by people with college degrees. a 171 would be even higher in the general population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172957) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:17 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall Dear lord are you stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172963) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:37 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency explain. i'm right you idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173106) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:42 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall The guy made clearly implied the exact same point you made. There was no reason for you to restate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173141) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:55 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency you're a fucking nerd. this is an internet message board. it's not a fucking dissertation. go try out for beauty and the geek. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173261) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: galvanic pearly set kill self; i.e., kill self. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7174298) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:17 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall I don't see your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172959) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:17 PM Author: Curious office Perhaps you can't do math? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172964) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:19 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall Perhaps the people who choose to go to law school are much stupider on average than the typical college graduate. Maybe you have no idea what sarcasm is. The possibilities are really endless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172973) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Curious office Ah, retroactive sarcasm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172987) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:28 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall Normally when you say something to make yourself feel better you don't actually have to express it to others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173039) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:32 PM Author: Curious office That's why it was strange when you brought up sarcasm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173068) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:40 PM Author: Wonderful gay space His insult was pretty weak, but the best you could do was "I know you are, but what am I?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173123) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:39 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency that is not a reasonable analysis. you're an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173120) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: Bronze Soul-stirring New Version Hall No shit it isn't a reasonable analysis. That is why I said I was being sarcastic in the next sentence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173133) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:56 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency i apologize for not having the same lame ass sense of humor as you. please send me a manual. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173270) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:48 PM Author: chrome beady-eyed whorehouse idiot Your job's your credit! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695915) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:19 PM Author: Sick Exciting Base Special ed guys in my high school took the LSAT all the time. It was no big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7172972) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:25 PM Author: Anal Internet-worthy Cuckold Gas Station orthat the Lsat isn't a good indicator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173014) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:36 PM Author: Umber weed whacker Not necessarily. Perhaps the number of people with IQ's over the 98th percentile is underrepresented by lsat takers. |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:40 PM Author: Sick Exciting Base Not likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173126) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:43 PM Author: Umber weed whacker agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173149) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 12:20 PM Author: pink pontificating market this is probably correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7177390) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:30 PM Author: fishy stage mental disorder Probably not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695810) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 3:09 PM Author: unholy queen of the night pretty sure that a 171 is well within the 99th percentile of the population of nonsenile adults (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7178594) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:26 PM Author: sooty vigorous step-uncle's house Probably because the GMAT has a mathematical component (which became more challenging recently) as opposed to the LSAT, which has a laughably easy "Logical Games" section that may or may not pass as something mathematical. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173022) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:30 PM Author: bipolar sepia lay I missed more questions on the 1 logic games section than the other 3 sections combined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173054) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:39 PM Author: Wonderful gay space So you are bad at math? This does nothing to counter his point that the GMAT has become more difficult because the quantitative component has been made more rigorous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173115) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:39 PM Author: Charismatic main people you missed in LG? that section was cake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173119) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: sooty vigorous step-uncle's house When did you take the LSAT? I can understand if you took it several years ago, but the LGs from the past 2-3 years have been beyond easy. BTW, are you good at Math? |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:46 PM Author: bipolar sepia lay No, on all my practice tests i missed 0-1 questions on the Logical games section. On the last section of the real test, there were like 6 rules: IF A then B, IF C, then D, etc. The last rule read "P then Q" for some reason I thought it said -IF- P then Q, like all the previous rules had. So i got 5/6 questions in that section wrong because I was applying the wrong rule. Then I missed ZERO on each logical reasoning section and 1 on the reading comp. I would got a 179 or a 180 but for that 1 fucking mistake =( |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:58 PM Author: sooty vigorous step-uncle's house Okay, that's clearly an aberration from your normal performance, and an understandable one at that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173290) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 9:03 PM Author: Swollen crackhouse It appears to have killed your career ambitions, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173334) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: Offensive bright friendly grandma yarmulke Alas, I am a victim of the misbubble. I feel your pain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7174293) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 11:25 PM Author: Sick Exciting Base "the LSAT...has a laughably easy"
So what? You realize that MENSA doesn't use the raw score, right? |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: arousing digit ratio Instead of crucifying a guy on a cross, what about a windmill? That way you get the pain and the dizziness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173279) |
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Date: December 8th, 2006 9:01 PM Author: 180 international law enforcement agency that is not funny. jesus christ is our lord and savior. he died so that we all may have eternal life or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7173316) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 10:05 AM Author: Razzle rose preventive strike maybe they realized there are significant portions of the test that do not correlate with IQ so someone with a top 98% IQ would have to show it by getting all but a few of the LG questions right. Since the other sections do not correlate with IQ they have to assume that you no problems were missed there. If they allowed people to miss a few questions in the RC section and have a lower overall score then they would inadvertently allow some people in who aced RC but missed 10 LG questions. The standard is higher since there is a lot of other irrelevant factors tested they need to sift out... if you get a 171 you are certainly in the top 2% of IQ, if you get a 163 or better, depending on which questions you missed you may or may not. |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 10:50 AM Author: lake location Logic games are likely the least correlated with IQ of the three. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7176992) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 11:42 AM Author: Chest-beating maize dilemma french chef By far the easiest to prep for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7177205) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 12:35 PM Author: lake location Correct--reading comp is probably the highest, though I have a sneaking suspicion that the three together might have a combined g loading higher than reading comp alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7177496) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 2:00 PM Author: tantric cerise mother I think LG is the most correlated with IQ when the test taker has had absolutely no practice or exposure to it beforehand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7178027) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 2:35 PM Author: lake location Wrong. One of the few "laws" related to g is the higher the g loading, the lower the trainability of the test. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#7178248) |
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Date: April 28th, 2008 2:42 AM Author: Doobsian lascivious background story this was great pwnage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9697123) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:37 PM Author: Onyx Church Building Eh, it's probably more G-loaded than most STD tests.
I'm pretty certain it's more G-loaded than the ACT, and they only require a 29 for that. That can't be much better than a 163. 165 tops. |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:42 PM Author: Avocado motley nursing home factory reset button Is it more G-loaded than the penile Q-tip swab test? That one fucking hurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695880) |
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Date: December 9th, 2006 3:13 PM Author: beta multi-billionaire Subject: 170 This sucks. I enjoyed the eliteness of being able to join mensa at any time but choosing not to.
Now, I'm just a loser. |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:19 PM Author: Onyx Church Building Bump. Any source for this change at the time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695754) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:28 PM Author: Avocado motley nursing home factory reset button They switched it back. It went from 163 to 171 on the website, then back a few months later, IIRC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695796) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:34 PM Author: fishy stage mental disorder *writes check to Mensa, waits for babes to roll in* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695826) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:36 PM Author: Onyx Church Building Now it's like 95th percentile, which is 166 or 167. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695837) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:38 PM Author: Avocado motley nursing home factory reset button Seems fair. The Mensans were probably pretty pissed off that the average BLS law student could join their super elite club. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695848) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:40 PM Author: fishy stage mental disorder They shouldn't be. Mensa isn't elite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695864) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:41 PM Author: Avocado motley nursing home factory reset button I was being sarcastic in my description of Mensa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695876) |
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Date: April 28th, 2008 2:43 AM Author: Doobsian lascivious background story you can't detect obvious sarcasm. this means you're too dumb for mensa and quite possibly for life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9697130) |
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Date: April 27th, 2008 10:54 PM Author: Cordovan exhilarant travel guidebook Perhaps ultra gunning has allowed stupid faggots to increase their LSAT score (which is easy to do), while GMAT takers have not hit such ridiculous heights of faggotry and take the test without one year or more of obsessive prep and practice exam taking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9695945) |
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Date: April 28th, 2008 2:36 AM Author: Infuriating jap roommate Mensa doesn't mind nerdy gunners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9697109) |
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Date: April 28th, 2008 8:49 AM Author: Cordovan exhilarant travel guidebook The point is that they aren't actually smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=542108&forum_id=2#9697626) |