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EU money for 800k shells for Ukraine now fully collected - link
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Date: March 7th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1765782465388429779 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471226) |
Date: March 7th, 2024 12:02 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter nice 5-6 month supply
plus US will approve funding in the meantime and we have millions of cluster munitions + new 155mm production. should also be sending the ATACMS in serious numbers this time. F-16s up and running towards the end of the year
Russia: driving Chinese golf carts |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:03 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
CR, great news for Ukraine. Russia is in serious trouble now IMO. Feels like another "turning point." |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:04 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena Glad to see you coming around to reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471257) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:03 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena Plus a lot of new shell construction capacity will come online in the meantime- e.g. the Texas ammo plant is scheduled to start operations in June. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471255) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:06 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter of course. my list is hardly exhaustive
EU seems to have finally decided to get their asses in gear across the board |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:05 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
"plus US will approve funding in the meantime"
Oh wow, big if true. Hey btw, can you link to updates on this forthcoming new US Congressional aid package for Ukraine? |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:08 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471282) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter Date: March 7th, 2024 12:05 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair, "plus US will approve funding in the meantime"
Oh wow, big if true. Hey btw, can you link to updates on this forthcoming US congressional aid package for Ukraine?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471264)
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry You didn't answer the q (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471290) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
CR, yeah I'm a little confused.
You are correct, TDNW, I typed those words out and poasted them on XO. Thanks for saving this and making a record of that.
So, uh... anyway, yeah, about that 'link'...? |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:08 PM Author: adventurous plaza What’s Trump’s plan to end the war in 24 hours? Is that enough time for a full Russian evacuation back to Russian borders, do ya think?
Or is Donald going a different direction 🤔 |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:02 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry So Russia is producing and getting shipped in millions of rounds but some westerners collected some money for some much smaller number of shells? Lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471248) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:05 PM Author: mint philosopher-king people who are hurt Let's review the overall reactions to this particular piece of news:
Ukrainemos are happy, celebrating even that a few months of ammo has been procured. Its a variety of sizes and comes through a trusted intermediary (Czechia).
Russiamos are (1) saying because this isn't the end of the war its dumb, and (2) its fake.
The Prime Ministers of ten different countries have publicly stated a member of NATO/EU (Czechia) will receive X funds for this particular artillery purchase.
You, dear reader, can decide which side is crazed/delusional. |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:07 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
HTH!
Sincerely,
The Smart and Sane Guy Who Wants "NATO Boots On The Ground In Moscow Yesterday, Consequences Be Damned" |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:08 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471280) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 1:16 PM Author: mint philosopher-king people who are hurt "something something globohomo"
also, you didn't call me 80iq and polish, really need to be more attentive to detail. |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:07 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter the tmf/tbf/nsams axis makes RWA and others seems calm and rational by comparison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471275) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:07 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
Yeah I'm unhinged and delusional
Hey brother btw I think you missed this poast, can you link me? Would sincerely love to learn more about this big looming development you referenced above.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471264 |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:17 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
TDNW?
This forthcoming new US Congressional aid package to Ukraine that you smugly referenced above to "pwn" all of us retarded and delusional Putintards *does* actually exist IRL, right? Or at the very least, there are serious plans for it to be approved by both houses of Congress and then disbursed to Ukraine in the near future, right? Like, presumably within the next month or two, right? OK, maybe three or four months, tops?
...Right?
TDNW? Hello? "Hola"?
I want to believe you brother, I'm just asking for a link or two so I can read about it and try to better educate myself, and you seem to know so much about this topic... |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena Don't have the link handy but in one article only Reps. Bowman and Omar among the Dems said they would not sign a discharge petition on the Senate bill. Even AOC hinted she would sign. That leaves like 8 Republican votes needed and Rep. Fitzpatrick said those would materialize if other options failed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471354) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 2:56 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
So... "I don't have a link, but trust me this is gonna happen soon, I read stuff and I know these things"?
Got it, sounds compelling. I mean, shit, if a Ukrainecuck Pumo on XO *insists* that this is going to happen...
Lol I remember arguing with Ukrainecuck Pumos like you back in November about whether more US funding would be forthcoming soon -- they assured me it would be and they smugly called me "retarded and naive" for "foolishly" thinking otherwise. It's now March (i.e. those debates took place four months ago) in an election year as Dems (aka the party pushing this funding) are increasingly struggling with poor public polling and the Ukraine war is becoming increasingly unpopular, and AFAIK Congress hasn't given Ukraine more money since those debates took place, but hey whatever I guess I'll just continue to keep my mask on and patiently wait two more weeks until money printer starts going brrrr once again any day now. ;) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 3:26 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena Sigh. I don't save every last article I read, but here are a few that show how strong the support is for the petition even BEFORE the 30 days have passed when anyone can even sign the petition at all.
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-discharge-petition-mike-johnson-1874155
Asked about the depth of Republican support, he told reporters, "more than you think ... a lot of people who know it's the right thing to do." One House Republican, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Axios they will sign on "if [there's] no other progress."
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Date: March 7th, 2024 3:37 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
Oh wow OK, this changes everything.
So when do you expect US Congressional aid to flow to Ukraine, again? Can we get a month? This month? April? May? |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 4:16 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena I'll start to worry if it's not passed by May. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47472152) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 4:19 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry Oh no, not you worrying! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47472168) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 3:29 PM Author: Diverse twinkling blood rage striped hyena http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500870&mc=1&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471990) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 1:18 PM Author: mint philosopher-king people who are hurt yes. once you step back and realize that the XO-RUS posters make rus milbloggers sound calm by comparison it really defuses them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471471) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:07 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry We're saying Russia still has a massive advantage in ammo and this doesn't change that. Also, sure, money and supplies for ukraine routinely go missing but that's another story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471278) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:11 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter this “massive” advantage was lost at one point during this war and once everything in the West comes online you will lose it permanently
hth |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes and yet, Russia is advancing on the front every day and Ukraine doesn't have an answer for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471295) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:15 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471305) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:30 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471336) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 4:18 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47472164) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:13 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce To be fair,
CR, Ukraine is gonna turn things around and win this war outright on the battlefield veddy veddy soon -- just keep your masks on, remain "alone together" socially distanced in your living room, and wait two weeks! |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:15 PM Author: stimulating casino faggotry Grrrrr someday ukraine will stop losing. Except they won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471307) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes "it was possible to" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471288) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:20 PM Author: Unhinged cerebral lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47471323) |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 12:25 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes nowhere in the tweet does it say any funding was received. OP is ESL |
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Date: March 7th, 2024 4:28 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes Czech President Petr Pavel, a former NATO general, told AFP, ”We have collected the total sum needed to buy the entire amount... as of this morning," Pavel told reporters on Thursday without disclosing the sum."
"If there are no fundamental problems, the ammunition could reach Ukraine within several weeks," he added.
But there are several fundamental problems. The first is the cost of shells doesn’t add up. Baron’s reported that the cost to contributing nations is 1.5 billion for the 800,000 shells. This works out to 1875 dollars per shell. The current cost of shells in the European Union is over 8000 dollars, according to DefenseOne. If they are able to acquire the shells, then additional funds are coming from somewhere not being reported.
The second problem is that most of these shells are originating from South Korea according to a source, reported in the New Voice of Ukraine. Both South Korea and North Korea have massive stocks of artillery. The problem for NATO and Ukraine is that South Korean law prohibits the sale of arms for use in a conflict zone.
Lastly, all artillery shells are not created equal. Shells must fit the specific piece of artillery being used. “While there is a NATO standard for artillery ammunition, its implementation is voluntary and a lack of adherence by various countries has led to a fragmentation of the market and hampered the flow of supplies,” Reuters reported.
The resultant fragmentation means shells acquired aren’t likely to offset Ukraine’s artillery ratio deficit; it will only prolong suffering. |
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Date: April 8th, 2024 4:23 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes where are we at on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47565553) |
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Date: April 8th, 2024 5:44 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47565823) |
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Date: April 8th, 2024 5:48 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter first batches of hundreds of thousands are being delivered, and in addition to the Czech sourced shells another million have been found and money is being chased to buy them too. 2 million rounds of just 155mm is more than enough to get Ukraine through the year and then some (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47565832) |
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Date: April 8th, 2024 5:52 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes zero evidence of this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47565846) |
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Date: April 8th, 2024 5:53 PM Author: spectacular faggot firefighter lol okay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47565848) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 3:15 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes LOL now Czech president says they will need way more money to purchase the shells. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47591058) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:03 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGLYO7d7XQAA42Tq.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47591177) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 4:06 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes Woops, so much for that Czech 155mm shell bonanza.
There is not enough money for the Czech initiative on shells for Ukraine
The Czech publication iRozhlas writes about this with reference to Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur.
In addition, according to him, the proposed shells need to be tested, so some of them may not reach the front before the end of the year. |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 4:00 PM Author: Curious Base Useless Brakes no shells for Ukraine. Whoops! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5500785&forum_id=2#47593436) |