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Is climate change even a little bit real?
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Date: March 16th, 2024 11:54 PM Author: mildly autistic incel I get so sick of every single news report talking about it like it's a given. They just slip it in there constantly. The other day some story about India was like it's getting hotter every year so now such and such industry is fuarked. Or it will be like every last wildfire in America could not have happened before climate change. Surely some wildfires are just normal. I can't stand this shit. It's so taken for granted. Slipped into every conceivable report on the weather. Surely a hundred years ago India was still hot and some guy's house burned down in a fire. It's all so tiresome. That Ray Kurzweil homo on Joe Rogan said solar will power major cities in 10 years. Ljl. They said that every year since the 1950s. Jfc libs give it a rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500365) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:29 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Nah, climate hasn’t changed at all in my 40 years here.
(Retard) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:43 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I can't tell the difference between now and 40 years ago. It seems the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500475) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:50 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap (Populist cosmopolitan patriot who has never interacted with a single farmer)
Both my parents are from Holyoke, Colorado. Mom’s dad was the John Deere implement dealer and Dad’s dad was a dryland farmer. There aren’t any implement dealers or dryland farmers there anymore. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:12 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I've driven through NW CO many years ago there was nothing but dirt there afaicr. Looks like the town took a 8% population hit in the 90s. Rebounded in the 2000s. I don't know how any of this proves climate change. People move, things change. Rural areas all across America have experienced less population growth than city centers which have exploded in growth. Maybe people just don't want to be farmers of any kind, dryland or not. Maybe anyone who would be a farmer moved somewhere there's more money to be made. You're talking about a very remote part of the country. These places are so small it's hard to infer anything about the effect of climate on the job market there. There are so many more possible explanations for a town of 2000 people in the middle of absolute nowhere than everyone used to be farmers and now farming kind of sucks. You don't have to inject climate ideology into your thesis when something simpler fits better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500508) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:14 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap This is what I say to TBF’s text walls: “pls summarize” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500510) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:16 AM Author: mildly autistic incel You're too drunk to read rn it'll make sense in the morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500514) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:28 AM Author: Up-to-no-good zippy parlor Jesus, that settles the debate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500523) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:29 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I provide a lot of facts to which he never responds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500524) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:48 AM Author: Up-to-no-good zippy parlor It must have been hot AF in Colorado in the 1600s when no one was farming the land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500553) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:54 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I have ancestors who lived in Colorado. I have ancestors who farmed in Colorado. I can tell you a thing or two about farming in Colorado. Farming in Colorado generally sucks. It's a very poor part of the country. You heard of Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa being good for farming? Of course you have. You heard of Texas and Louisiana? Of course. But no one has ever heard of farming in Colorado. The whole place is barely populated. The soil sucks. No one ever moved there. A lot of the farms in my ancestors area do horses and tourist stuff now, because nothing grows. Nothing grew in the 1920s. Jesus. It's terrible land. It's not a has been region because it never was. Soil and climate are garbage PLUS the rivers are all literally owned by the state of Arizona. You can't make this up. They divert the water to Phoenix so these desert fuckers can play golf. Climate change my ass. Give Coloradans their water rights back. But still nobody wants to farm there because it sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500565) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:46 PM Author: Jade ape My grandma is from Holyoke/Sterling. What a little shithole.
She died there about 10 years ago. I bet she knew your parents. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:35 PM Author: vivacious meetinghouse Aren't you the guy who had two kids with a literal crack addict and then sent her over 100k in cash while she had already left you and your children? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501692) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 8:37 AM Author: Metal amber dopamine kitchen The climate is never not changing retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503233) |
Date: March 17th, 2024 1:28 AM Author: Stubborn dilemma Ray Kurzweil interview was terrible. Rogan tried to gently and tactfully call him out on some of the bullshit claims but he gave up pretty quick.
Yes, the earth does go through periodic climate shifts. The current era modern humans have lived through has been incredibly stable. Far more impactful have been the cooling periods. Even minor extended dips in temperature have been devastating to humanity. And I'm not talking full on ice ages. Cooling can be matched to the fall of empires. Generally warmer periods have been our most prosperous.
Climate change bullshit also shifts the focus from actual environmental problems. I wish we'd worry a thousand times less about carbon and use those efforts to confront toxic pollutants in our food supply and how we overall fuck up natural environments. I could get behind that. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:39 AM Author: carmine fear-inspiring hunting ground brethren or over fishing those are real problems and we are ignoring them because of our obsession with a made up “problem” |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:44 AM Author: mildly autistic incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500479) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:47 AM Author: mildly autistic incel This is 100% cr. And it's true about a lot of things. The shitlib worldview obscures all the real problems. No one wants to talk about how kids are sad because they're fat as fuck because they were raised on junk food. No one wants to talk about how people of different races generally don't relate to each other and you can't just throw them all together randomly and call it a community. No one talks about how boys want to play with army men and not Nigger Ariel. It's just simple no brainers. And shitlibs have grabbed the megaphone and brainwashed everybody to the point normies can't spot the obvious anymore. It's sickening.
Edit: Imagine how retarded you have to be to get clowned on by Joe Rogan lmao that old Jewish paedo is long past his expiration date |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:46 AM Author: cyan passionate sandwich Repetition is the most effective propaganda technique (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500481) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:56 AM Author: seedy casino mad-dog skullcap Probably not but i won’t deny we/GC have really assfucked the natural world in the past 50-75 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500491) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:02 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Where the fuck are you people from? It doesn’t snow in NYC anymore, lakes don’t freeze in the Midwest, it doesn’t snow in winter between Nevada and Iowa, and the air is smoky as fuck throughout the West from late-July to September.
Do you all live in the SouTTTh where you can’t really perceive a difference in summer temperature given the 90% humidity? |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:15 AM Author: mildly autistic incel The smoke in the West has been debunked. California used to do controlled burns in the winter on days the wind was blowing out over the sea and they would torch all the dead bramble up in the hills. The wildfire issue directly coincides with the state not doing fire management anymore and blaming climate change. It obviously still snows in NYC and Iowa. Texas had an unusually hot summer last year but there was a summer just as hot in the 90s. Things happen and they're not out of the ordinary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500512) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:51 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Great analysis from a person who didn’t live there since 1999. It wasn’t socked-in with wildfire smoke in summer until 2014-2023, and anyone who says otherwise didn’t live there in that period hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500559) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:58 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I actually did live there brother during most of that period but in SoCal. Can't relate. I did see significant fires in La Tuña canyon, San Gabriel Valley, Malibu. I don't know shit about NorCal. Maybe it's different. There were only a couple of fires but they definitely increased towards the end of that time period. Many years with none definitely not every summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500568) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:10 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Fair enough. I’ve mentioned here sometimes, but I was a wildland firefighter summers from 1994-98. There were always late-season fires in SoCal, but the every-year fires from SLO-north are new. Maybe it’s the rise of libs and DEI that have caused this, but my own sense is that it’s decreasing precipitation and higher temperatures. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500574) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:15 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I knew a bunch of guys from school who fought fires. It was mostly upstate. Central valley and the Sierras. The SoCal fires were usually in August September. I remember talking to some Burbank residents during one, some old timers said it was the worst one since the 80s. Apparently the dry, dessicated bramble accumulates. It was a particularly wet spring and a particularly dry summer. The vegetation was like starter wood. If The Big One happens every 30-40 years eventually it will be the year it happens. Doesn't necessarily prove climate change. Or anything at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500576) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:19 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap 180 what years was this? Wildland fire-fighting is a 180 prole job opportunity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500579) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:24 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I don't want to doobs myself but I arrived during Jerry Brown and left during Newsom fwiw. I missed the Arnold years. Cr proles get hella pumped for wildfire fighting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500581) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:34 AM Author: Metal amber dopamine kitchen but my own sense is that it’s decreasing precipitation and higher temperatures.
Have you considered that it's literally retards like you voting for it?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-mismanagement-led-choked-forests-now-it-s-time-clear-n1243599 |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:41 AM Author: Garnet odious old irish cottage hell Climate Change is a shitlib hoax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503137) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:15 AM Author: Diverse khaki trump supporter really tough guy There are numerous waterways that used to freeze solid 60-70+ years ago that no longer even come close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500513) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:53 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap “That proves NOTHING!” (HATP and DM) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:33 AM Author: mewling salmon point there are innumerable things like this. global glacier coverage. snowpack amount and melting times. length of ski seasons. these aren't things you can fake.
farmers often use mountain snowpack as a visual indicator. these tend to be conservative people and many have recorded the dates over time. the snow is melting earlier and earlier. the trend is clear and has been occurring for like 100 years. this is undeniable unless there is some sort of massive conspiracy. and, if that was possible, the group orchestrating it would be so powerful they wouldn't need to fool people.
like, this is just not something that can be intelligently denied. we're talking about weather and climate. something ordinary people have had the ability to observe and record for some time. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:37 AM Author: mildly autistic incel https://youtu.be/tnocUO-p4RM
There are also unprecedented snowstorms in California brother happening in the present. Potato potatoh. A water way dries up, another one begins. Yes the Earth changes over time lmao. There is no overarching trend. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:05 AM Author: mewling salmon point i can't believe you're literally going with the "there was a big snowstorm, climate change debunked."
snowfall has always fluctuated wildly. what's a better indicator is snowpack amount and melt times. and, across the globe, there is an undeniable trend down. there's less snowpack and it's melting earlier. this is something that cannot be intelligently denied. any amateur enthusiast can measure this or just take pictures over nearby mountains and note when the snow melts in the spring. or just look at their thermometer. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:09 AM Author: mildly autistic incel All of this is false. When a river dries up it's climate change. When it snows a lot somewhere unusual it's just a local weather pattern that can't be explained. The polar ice caps are melting. But they're also refreezing again in the winter. This is all junk science. None of it is relevant and the Earth isn't really heating up. People just see what they want to see. No amateur scientist can prove climate change by taking pictures of some snow caps.
By your own admission none of the alarmism you grew up with hasn't yet come true. So clearly whatever evidence they were going on of global warming, actually was a nothingburger. These are the same "scientists" who were out there looking at the thermometer in the 90s or whenever you grew up. They are as wrong now as they were then. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:24 AM Author: mewling salmon point you seem tethered to the debate being about the cause and effect and the reliability of predictions.
people can measure the climate. it's changing. people have recorded when snowpack has melted for a long ass time across the globe. you can't deny it's trending earlier and earlier.
you can't deny climate change is occurring and it's been significant. if you want to argue that it's because of something other than humans go for it, but it's not something i can argue about because i don't know. im saying the change is occurring and cannot be denied. so idk what value "there was snow storm today!" has. what matters is the global trend. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:17 AM Author: Cerebral nighttime faggotry Texas has a random, intense winter ice or snow storm every year now, and the one two winters ago took out shitloads of centuries old live oak trees that are really the archetypal plant life at the heart of Texas. Texas has also repeatedly shattered records for # of days with temps over 100 degrees F, and it’s gotten to the point where you can hit triple digits as early as April and as late as late October, and by the time our kids are our age it will likely be common to hit 100 for 9 months a year. TBF in Texas there are so many people whose livelihoods depend on them not accepting the basic and obvious reality that is staring them in the face re climate change. But it’s still maddening to see the motivated reasoning. It’s like trying to talk 30M into leaving a cult. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500516) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:26 AM Author: mildly autistic incel It has the exact same number storms it always did, it's just more dramatic because millions of people have moved here in recent decades and put strain on the grid. They also made a horrendous bet on wind energy which fucked up the whole system. Idiots actually thought they could solve problems with renewables. They're starting to get back to basics and soon the grid will never go out again. There is nothing kooky or unusual about Texas winters, just the human response to it. Every single year it drops below freezing 2-3 times throughout the whole winter. If that window aligns with precipitation you get an inclement weather event. This year it was dry as fuck during the 72 hr window when it was cold. No storm. No upheaval about climate change. The number of days Texas winters are cold is the same as it ever was. The chance of precipitation is exactly the same. Nothing has changed in any objective sense. They do need to expand the grid to accommodate the population. Also the 'ice storm' would be a nothingburger anywhere else but they don't bury the power lines like in any normal Yankee city. So again you have a catastrophic event like ice taking out the power lines but you don't stop to think if it ever became common they could just bury the power lines and weatherize them (they don't even have proper insulation on any of the power lines) but there events are so rare nobody cares and they just kick the can down the line because it will be hot soon and people forget easily. Still no evidence of climate change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500521) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:54 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500567) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:13 PM Author: Judgmental Indian Lodge It snows in NYC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501639) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:03 AM Author: Dashing Ultramarine Senate yes, but there isn't a goddam thing we can do about it and anyone telling you otherwise is selling something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500502) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:06 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap This is *a cr take. What’s it like being one of the only intelligent shitcons on xo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500505) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:14 AM Author: Dashing Ultramarine Senate I'm not really a con, I just hate libs for being cartoonishly evil and playing good, my views are idiosyncratic and not represented in any ideology (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500511) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:21 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap Is it lonely being an intelligent Trumpmo though? Like when people rant about DEI or transkids, do you cringe at all about how stupid they are?
Not that this should affect your response, but obv I lol at hearing retard-takes from libs about “reparations” and when I see fat soybois and soiwomen wearing masks as they walk around Waikiki |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:25 AM Author: Dashing Ultramarine Senate I certainly have nothing in common with your avg dood in a maga hat, but I'll be damned if Trump doesn't consistently piss off the right people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500520) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:51 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500562) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: mewling salmon point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501145) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:14 PM Author: Amethyst crackhouse partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502827) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:38 AM Author: Up-to-no-good zippy parlor Here's an interesting fact: for any given place on earth you can think of, if you Google the predicted effects of climate change on that place, you'll find scientists claiming that it's expected to be affected MORE by climate change than the global average. There is no place where scientists are saying "this place is only going to experience average levels of impact," and certainly no place is predicted to be affected LESS than the global average. Look at EPAH claiming ITT that his ancestral homeland is currently experiencing extreme effects of climate change.
You have to be worried about the sanity of the average shitlib who thinks this doesn't require it's own meta-analysis, since it seems to suggest that whatever "average effects" these scientists imagine are probably gross underestimates. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:43 AM Author: Turquoise exciting organic girlfriend jap ITT is about whether “climate change is real.” How would you describe your input on that topic? |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:47 AM Author: mildly autistic incel "We don't screen everyone for cancer because it would lead to many false positives." James Lindsay
In other words climate scientists are always overplaying their hand. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:54 AM Author: Slate Gay Wizard Bbw even it were real there’s nothing we can do to mitigate or stop it because China and others are far outpacing us in pumping carbon into the air
all the economic damage we are doing to ourselves is part to the lib grift to push energy into their hands. Trump knows this and that’s why the old drill baby drill will be one of his first acts as president |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:20 PM Author: mewling salmon point and these developing countries rightfully point out that developed countries did so on the back of pollution. we would either have to force them to comply with military threats or pay them to develop. the political will to do either of these isn't there, and it's questionable whether we even have the capacity to do this if we wanted to.
it's best just not to think about it. just be glad it's unlikely well experience the worst of it in our lives. and kids and grandkids might experience a pretty painful transitionary period though. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:03 AM Author: Slate Gay Wizard Bbw experience what exactly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503073) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:16 AM Author: Up-to-no-good zippy parlor Another way in which libs are revealing their stupidity on this topic is their failure to predict, or explain, why ocean temps are rising faster than atmospheric temps recently. There's actually a good theory about what's causing that, but libs don't want to hear it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47500577) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:30 PM Author: Narrow-minded property This reminds me of how I watched some CNN bullshit on why the only solution is to reduce CO2 emissions but planting a bunch of trees won't do anything. This was the height of "everyone must drive an EV" and before they decided that Elon Musk is bad like the orange man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501261) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 12:39 PM Author: mewling salmon point it's real and an observable fact. whether it's from human action or not is debatable, but it almost certainly is imo. regardless, there is no hope of turning back. gc won't stop on it's own. we don't have the will to tackle the homeless problem, there's no chance we have the will to just do uncle ted.
don't think about it. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: submissive station antidepressant drug yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501153) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:00 PM Author: boyish sepia ladyboy temps fell from 1930 to 1979. then rose slightly 1980-2000. then plateaued. we may be having a 2-3 upturn due to the massive amounts of water vapor the Tongan volcano blew up into the atmosphere.
overall we are well within normal fluctuations and the predictions of catastrophe are "science" like Fauci's crazy claims were "science." |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:13 PM Author: carmine fear-inspiring hunting ground brethren cr remember “hide the decline”? remember the Michael Mann made up hockey stick charts? it’s all Fauci-level fraudlies |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: Drab Boiling Water this is the question libs have to answer. if climate change is a 100% real, verifiable existential threat, why are the supposed proponents of addressing it undermining the theory’s credibility by pushing such facially absurd and falsifiable bullshit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501801) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:18 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501236) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:03 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Step-uncle's House Ceo If anthropogenic climate warming were real, by the time it's proven and not attributable to non-anthropogenic fluctuations then it will be too late to do anything about it. So whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501197) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:08 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha i think it's real.
top things we can do as Americans to mitigate are 1) eliminate pointless commuting via WFH; 2) completely close the boarder; 3) via tariffs or whatever stop importing so much crap from China; 4) stop selling so much fucking bottled water, particularly in shops that ban plastic bags and straws; 5) massive social pressure to shame pointless air travel; 6) kill all jews
libs don't want to do any of these things and instead want everyone to eat bugs and drive EVs that have 1/3 the lifespan and weigh 2x as much as a normal car |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:32 PM Author: Burgundy talented home Solid 6-point plan, wouldn't add or remove a thing! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501262) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:12 PM Author: Idiotic unhinged spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501636) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 6:48 PM Author: Jade ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502179) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: Metal amber dopamine kitchen Should we stop shipping fruits and vegetables from warm climates to cool climates and only eat them seasonally? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503350) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:27 PM Author: Walnut Underhanded Range yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503871) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:31 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha we would be just fine eating produce grown in the USA. if Mexico would get their shit together with the cartels and "migrants" they wave through like a 3rd base coach then they would be fine as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503891) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:16 PM Author: onyx den It's real in the sense that the earth's climate obviously does cycle from hotter to colder to hotter again over the whole history of the earth (Ice ages, etc).
But beyond that, no. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 1:26 PM Author: Narrow-minded property The climate is always changing, so I guess so but not in the way libs are using it. For libs this is just an excuse to grab power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501254) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 2:48 PM Author: Motley field fortuitous meteor Yes, my dear OP Bro, its happening. IF you need proof, check out a skycam map of Antarctic now vs 40 years ago.
ps: i am STEM |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:09 PM Author: Jade ape Let's do a skycam view over the antarctic 10,000 years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501623) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:14 PM Author: mildly autistic incel It's insane how disingenuous the media is reporting another island breaking off a glacier. Like duh assholes it's summer. It will freeze again in the winter dummies. So stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501644) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:17 PM Author: mewling salmon point "it's cold today, response climate change bros?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501654) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 3:16 PM Author: mewling salmon point so you concede the climate has warmed significantly since we've been able to observe and record it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47501649) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 4:15 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch Please explain the thought process of a climate change denier. Do you just assume that because "libs" advocate action on climate change, it must be wrong? Are you too stupid to find data and use your fucking brain? For example, a couple minutes of googling revealed this data set:
https://berkeleyearth.org/data/
They have some widgets to visualize it, but if you don't trust them, you can download the data yourself and put it in Excel. Why don't you try this and tell me what pattern you see? And then find a couple other sites that have temperature data over time and try the same thing. You'll notice a similar pattern.
So what is more likely: 1) Every single organization in the world is part of a massive conspiracy to falsify their data so that it looks like the world is getting hotter when it is not. 2) The world is getting warmer.
I just find it amazing that anyone is actually dumb enough to believe climate denier nonsense. Do you just mindlessly accept what you hear on Fox News and have no critical reasoning abilities? |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 6:08 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Lmao Berkeley? Wow what a trusted source. The absolute most left wing lunatics. None of this data is accurate. Yes, they are in a cult. 9/10 professors admit to being shitlibs. It is obviously a religion. The only reason that their chart shows that the average temperature is going up is that they test in more places and more places close to ever expanding human civilization. I'm sure that some area that was farm land a hundred years ago that today is a developed major city has a slightly higher average temperature. But none of this is accurate. Before you can prove some kind of anthropocene era of the Earth's climate you first have to prove it's getting warmer and it's not. The daily average is not an accurate metric. We're not seeing any more extreme weather events than we were before. It's exactly the same as it was 50 years ago. Libs lie and manipulate the data in how they collect it to fit the narrative. It's all made up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502071) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 10:44 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch So you just disregard any data that contradicts your preconceived beliefs? Is there any data that would convince you that the world is, in fact, getting warmer? Or will you automatically dismiss any data as being created by "left wing lunatics"? Because I can point you to about 20 other data sets collected by different researchers that will show the same pattern.
And once again, is every single university/climate research center in the world part of a vast global warming conspiracy? Or is it possible that the world is, in fact, getting warmer?
Indeed, can you point me to a single data set anywhere that indicates that global warming is not occurring? Very weird that every data set on global temperatures in the world shows the world getting warmer. I guess every single weather station on the planet is part of this conspiracy.
And if no data will convince you, I would say that I am not the one who is basing my beliefs on "religion" rather than data. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 10:46 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha one thing libs never seem to coherently explain is why the world getting warmer is even a bad thing and why the polices they put forth that seem to be intended to cause maximum disruption to middle class lifestyles are the correct path to handle this crisis in the most efficient manner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502745) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 10:51 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch Well, to cite one obvious example, thermal expansion of the oceans plus melting ice at the poles will cause the sea level to rise, which could potentially cause many coastal cities to flood. I'm guessing that the cost of installing heat pumps and switching to renewable energy will be less than the cost of relocating New York City. Call me crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502764) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 10:54 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha lol you fags have been saying NYC would be underwater since I was a little kid. even if that were to happen, which it clearly isn't, build some fucking levies and shut the fuck up. we talk about self driving cars and AI and actually putting a colony on Mars like there's a cunthair's chance of that coming to fruition yet we can't deal with a couple inches of seawater rising? you seem jewish.
also, explain how "renewable energy", which isn't nearly sufficient enough to power our current electric grid will work when all of the 300M+ cars in the USA are mandated to be EVs. clearly that will work and is well thought out and definitely is not designed to purposely disrupt the lifestyles of the american middle class simply because the people in charge do not like them and want to keep them subservient. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:43 AM Author: Hairless avocado brunch Umm, if the entire Antarctic ice sheet were to collapse, the sea level rise would be on the order of hundreds of feet. Forget about NYC; that would put most of the British isles underwater. Granted, it's unclear that this would happen even if we did nothing to reduce emissions, and even then it is centuries away. But the worst-case scenario is really really bad. Under a more realistic scenario in our lifetimes, we are probably looking at around a foot of sea level rise in the next 20-30 years. Levies could prevent the worst of the damage, but flooding would still be more frequent and more severe. And that's just one of the harms of global warming. By any reasonable measure, the cost of reducing emissions will be fairly trivial compared to the cost of adapting to a warmer world.
And I don't know if it's even worth responding if you believe idiotic conspiracy theories. But right now the problem with renewables isn't producing enough energy to power everything. Cover half the Mojave Desert with solar panels and you can power the entire U.S. several times over. One issue is the simple fact that the sun doesn't shine at night and sometimes the wind doesn't blow. You can't easily turn renewables on or off to meet demand like you can with fossil fuels. But hopefully better battery technology will solve that issue.
The other problem is that even though renewables are cost competitive (if not cheaper) than fossil fuels over a 20-30 year life cycle, they have a huge up front cost despite a much lower marginal cost. Utility executives don't care about saving money in 30 years, when they will most likely no longer be working there. They just want to beat estimates on next quarter's report. So there is an incentive to burn more fossil fuels even if they are not the most cost effective solution.
And while I think EV mandates are dumb for various reasons, if anything, they will help the grid transition to renewables. As I said, one of the big problems with solar right now is that you produce far more energy than you need during the day but nothing at night. If everyone has an EV, you can simply charge up the EV battery during the day when there is an excess of cheap solar power and then run off the EV battery once the sun goes down. The F-150 Lightning already has this capability. My guess is that it will be a standard feature on EV's within a few years. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:52 AM Author: mildly autistic incel This is so incredibly stupid. They have been trying to cover the Mojave in solar panels since the 60s. Jfc shitlib stfu. If the sea levels are rising why is Obama buying so much beach front property? Gbti (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503007) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:40 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch It's interesting that once again you refuse to answer my questions: 1) What data would it take to convince you that climate change is real? Or have you already decided that it is not real, and that no possible data could change your mind? 2) Why does literally every weather station on the planet show that temperatures are increasing over time? Are the weather station operators in Siberia and Sierra Leone all part of a vast global conspiracy to falsely convince people that global warming is real? (And what would be the point of such a conspiracy in the first place?) Or is it possible that this is evidence that the world is, in fact, getting warmer?
As for the Obamas, that is one of the stupidest arguments against global warming imaginable, but since you keep making it, I'll respond. The obvious answers would be that they think that they will sell it before it is inundated by seawater or they have so much money that they don't care. Don't ask me. But if you think that there is zero danger of coastal properties being flooded due to rising sea levels, why don't you get some insurance quotes for a few coastal properties and compare them to quotes for comparable properties away from the ocean? I guess the insurance companies are part of the conspiracy as well? |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:52 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha lol you cumfarting kike. beachfront insurance is higher because they get hit regularly by hurricanes and general storm damage, not because of the existential threat of gradual rising sea levels.
you still haven't answered the question of why the earth getting warmer is even a bad thing other than histrionics about NYC and London being completely underwater in a few hundred years (timeline moved back from 2005 d-day the experts quoted back in the 1990s). even if your definitely accurate and not hysterical jewish predictions were true, you'd still have to convince much of the world why NYC and London being flooded out of existence would even be a bad thing.
much of the land mass on this planet is useless because it is too cold. if anything it sounds like warmer weather would be a good thing. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 2:06 PM Author: mildly autistic incel It's -6 degrees in Siberia today. Gun to the head is it colder or warmer than usual?
The only thing that could convince me of global warming is if the Earth actually got warmer. It hasn't. 100% of climate models predicting disaster since 1994 have been disproven. They also universally have overcalculated the amount of heat that would be trapped in the atmosphere if the Earth got warmer. You would think that the climate models would adjust to reality but they have not. CO2 is a very weak gas at trapping heat. It has almost no effect. The amount humans have contributed to the Earth heating up is close to zero.
I have already explained why measurements show a minute change in average temperatures. Everyone knows that the expansion of cities has made it so more heat is trapped in buildings and roads during the day and release it at night when the sun goes down. This phenomenon is well studied. It easily accounts for 2-3 degrees F at night which can approach 1 C change over 100 years which is greater than the total amount climate alarmists even claim we have gotten hotter. It's such a small amount of change. That's why alarmists talk about the rate of change being the canary in the coal mine, because the total change is so minimal. And then you go okay if this rate is so exponential we would have seen a major spike by now. But we haven't. We haven't seen that spike. It's never coming. There are dozens and dozens of well respected climate scientists from everywhere from UAH to MIT who have said there is no impending climate crisis, humans have no effect, CO2 doesn't do shit, and there's no need to worry. It's only the media and left wing institutions that promote the idea that climate scientists universally believe in climate disaster. It's not even true. And none of the alarmists can create a model that accurately predicts the trajectory of the Earth heating up. They have been perpetually wrong since 1994 when data from satellites and weather balloons has disproven their entire case.
As to the Obama 4D chess, they're just living in the moment and will get out before the Vineyard is hundreds of feet under water is the dumbest thing I have heard in a very long time ljl. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 7:17 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch Link to all this data showing lack of global warming? Also, if global warming is due to urban heat islands, explain increasing temperatures at rural monitoring stations and why ocean temperatures have also been increasing. And do you have any credible evidence that "CO2 is a very weak gas at trapping heat? It has almost no effect." Or did you just hear that on Tucker, and you're too stupid to see if there is any scientific evidence to support that claim? Please provide links or STFU. And you might be able to find a couple kooks with scientific credentials who question global warming, but there is a reason that around 99.9% of scientists of all political persuasions accept it is true. The scientific evidence is simply overwhelming.
And you're also doing a great job of creating straw men. Nobody is projecting that Martha's Vineyard is going to be underwater any time in the next few centuries. The most likely scenario in the next 20-30 years is about a foot of sea level rise. That would significantly increase the risk of flooding, but probably wouldn't render beachfront properties uninhabitable. And most people don't own houses for 30 years anyway. The fact that you would say something like that with a straight face indicates to me that either you are trolling or you are simply completely illiterate with respect to math/statistics/science, because anyone with even basic knowledge of climate change would know that is an idiotic claim. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: mildly autistic incel ERMAGERD 99.999999% of scientists who haven't retired or been forced out of the establishment!!! 1 thousand million progressive Zoomer scientists! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47505157) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 1:02 AM Author: Hairless avocado brunch Links to the scientists who have been "retired or forced out" because they didn't believe in climate change? I honestly can't tell if you are stupid enough to believe your own nonsense or if you are trying to "own the libs" or something. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, so I find it fascinating that you might actual believe such literal nonsense. Do you just get all of your information from Tucker and climate denial websites and you have simply never tried to look at any data yourself? Or are you just not smart enough to do things like download numbers and load them into Excel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47506242) |
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Date: March 19th, 2024 1:17 AM Author: mildly autistic incel John Christy, UAH, co-creator of climate satellite data, head climate scientist for the state of Alabama, testified before Congress two dozen times. Climate denier.
Richard Lindzen, climate professor at MIT and Harvard, retired, wrote over 200 papers, climate denier. Critics say he's a "contrarian," and his views are "unprofessional".
William Happer, physicist and climate denier. Head of the Office of Science under George H. W. Bush, also worked in the Trump administration. Climate denier. Head of an organization that promotes the growth of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Steven Koonin, former Chief Scientist at BP, also worked for the Department of Energy, Office of Science, in the Obama administration. Climate denier.
I've read all their work and find their arguments against climate alarmism compelling. Am I 100% sure they're right? No. Wikipedia says that 99% of climate scientists agree on the IPCC consensus on climate change. But this seems to not be the case. Christy estimates in real terms only about 55% of climate scientists ascribe to the climate alarmism model, whereas 45% are what climate alarmists call climate denialism.
There are two sides to this argument, even if you fervently believe in one. I don't fervently believe in climate change denialism, I just have a gut instinct that their arguments are better than the climate alarmists. For instance, climate alarmists cannot produce a predictive model. They continuously produce erroneous models. If you read the scientists I listed, they have cogent arguments that explain why climate alarmism is not real, that the changes in the Earth's temperature are normal and not man-made. I can't go through each and every one of them line by line with you, but they can. And I buy their arguments. At least I think they're better than climate alarmist arguments. And climate deniers don't have a wikipedia page that says 99% of scientists agree with our views. Not only that but according to the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, it's not enough to believe in the scientific consensus according to the IPCC, you also have to actively take up the cause of climate alarmism or else you're a bad person. It's very cult-like and disturbing. I believe these are all legitimate criticisms of the movement.
Meanwhile you can watch videos by any of the scientists I listed and find they have a very compelling case why climate alarmism is not correct, including why having only falsified predictive models is not good for their argument!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653
There is so much of this that it would take you ages to parse through but they are all credible refutations of the climate alarmist narrative. Enjoy. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:45 AM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha “Cover the Mojave with solar panels”
No reason we shouldn’t do that other than the fact that it probably wouldn't be very effective. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 7:21 PM Author: Hairless avocado brunch What do you mean by "effective"? It would be enormously expensive, for starters. We currently don't have enough transmission lines to move all that energy to other locations in the grid. And it would produce far more energy than the country needs while the sun is shining, but it wouldn't produce shit for the rest of the day. These are the main reasons this hasn't been done already.
But you're missing the broader point here. The issue is not that renewables are incapable of producing enough power for the country's needs. The big problem with renewables right now is that you can't turn them on or off to meet demand like you can with fossil fuels. Hopefully cheaper batteries will solve that problem, but we're not there yet. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 8:28 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha So it’s fuck my ass expensive and doesn’t really work half the time. That’s what I mean by not effective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47505313) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:02 PM Author: boyish sepia ladyboy did we not just live thru a period when scientists who spoke the truth got crushed? imagine you are getting started on your Ph.D and you say to your advisor that you want to take a critical look at the data revisions that have made warming seem worse. what happens to you?
and if you doubt that the establishment science has been revising the data, take a look at these two graphs. as recently as 1999 the great hero of the climate change crowd, James Hansen, was still using the data showing that the Dust Bowl era, 1930s, was the warmest in the US history and that things cooled down until 1979. (remember all the science and news talk about the coming ice age?)
the problem is that the data are deeply inconsistent with the CO2 theory. so they re-wrote the data using modeled data. that's how they created the second graph.
http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/Hansen_US.htm |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 6:40 PM Author: Sooty pontificating state Anthropogenic climate change is definitely real. The problem isn't necessarily that the levels of CO2 are changing, it's moreso the RATE that they're changing at. The rate at which it's changing is many orders of magnitude greater than anything observed in the geological record. This isn't up for debate, it's a fact. That said, I think libs weaponize climate change bullshit for their own ends. Even still, climate change won't be entirely bad, we'll have more arable land and more shipping lanes. The transition will be the hard part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502166) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 6:50 PM Author: Jade ape Bullshit.
One volcano eruption emits more CO2 than all automobiles and factories throughout the world combined. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 6:54 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Dude how can you fall for this nonsense? You're one of those people who actually believe shit like this: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/earth_temperature_timeline_2x.png
It's just sad man none of it is true. It's not even partially true. Shitlibs invented metrics to measure this so called rapid rate of change. It's all horseshit. They just took average daily numbers from cities that used to be rural and said wow the mean daily temp keeps going up. But we don't see any record highs. We don't see any unusual weather patterns. The data itself is fabricated. They just measured in such ways to achieve the result they wanted. Don't buy into these lies. There was recently a hot spell in Texas in February and they were like this is a record high. But the actual record was set in the 90s and it was much hotter. You see, it's all bullshit.
There are no record highs and daily averages can easily be manipulated by measuring hotter nights in the cities where the heat is trapped. All of this rate of change data bullshit is based on numbers taken in cities at night where it's like 89 instead of 87 like it was 50 years ago. It's all bullshit. There are no record how highs brother stop believing this crap. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:08 PM Author: Jade ape CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502219) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:09 PM Author: Sooty pontificating state I'm going to have to reread some studies in order to cite data but for me, this isn't a political issue. It's just simply the truth based upon the information I've seen. You can disagree with me, fine, but I am still totally convinced that anthropogenic climate change is real and it doesn't make me a shitlib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502223) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:28 PM Author: mildly autistic incel It 100% makes you a shitlib. It's full on left wing lunacy that isn't rooted in facts at all. It's all fraud and lies friend. Anthropogenic climate change is false on two counts, the Earth is not getting hotter and man isn't responsible for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502290) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:31 PM Author: Sooty pontificating state I completely disagree. You can think less of me for it, fine, but I'm still not a shitlib. I'll make a poast about it sometime in the upcoming week. For reference, this isn't me subscribing to the common lib narrative about climate change, but it's definitely real. If you don't like me anymore for saying this, so it goes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502301) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:34 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Because I'm not a lib I neither like nor dislike anyone based on some single pet issue they have. Worry not. I always look at the larger picture of their character. Worst case you're a misguided Zoomer with a good heart who just needs to swallow the climate red pill.
But I eagerly await your 100% factual completely scientific argument that proves two things: that the Earth is getting hotter at an unprecedented rate, and that man is the root cause. Imo all the data is faulty measurements by liberal cultists. But we'll see. Tag me in the thread title so I can find it. Can't wait. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: Metal amber dopamine kitchen I don't claim to know what is real because it is impossible to know. What I can tell you is anytime the media are pushing something it is a lie to trick you into obeying. That's why climate change is fake or grossly exaggerated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503398) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:29 PM Author: Wonderful Emerald School Cafeteria Reading Party Brother have you considered that CO2 actually has a cooling effect according to some studies? Think about it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502295) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:33 PM Author: Sooty pontificating state I would have to read about it, but considering the current knowledge about CO2 being a greenhouse gas, I highly doubt it. I'm no Galileo though. Like I said, I have to do some reading and I'll come back with my effort in a week or so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502306) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:11 PM Author: mewling salmon point i don't know why people deny it so vehemently. climate change is an undeniable fact. scientists across the political spectrum agree.
my big issue with the whole debate is how it's weaponized too. if you accept that it's real and caused by humans, the only solution would be some global commitment from all nations to reduce our impact. this would probably need to be enforced militarily, because there a tragedy of the commons problem in that separate nations have a huge incentive to disregard any big pledge to outcompete others. this solution is unthinkable.
instead, shitlibs use it to pass clean energy initiatives which solely are about giving friendly corporate interests handouts and that doesn't meaningfully address the issue. shitlibs are completely in bed with GC. even if they had absolute power they wouldn't drastically cut down the human impact because it would be devastating to gc. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:19 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Climate scientists don't actually agree on this. One of the leading climate skeptic scientists who has testified before Congress over 20 times says that the Earth is heating up at 1/1000th the rate as the climate disaster fear mongers think. Is the Earth technically heating up? By a very small amount. He would tell you that the most extreme heat on record occurred in the 1930s. There is no evidence of a dramatic anthropogenic climate disaster or looming crisis. Every climate model since 1994 has been disproven and dramatically overestimates how hot the Earth is getting. They also manipulate the numbers with lies to advance their agenda. They overestimate the amount of heat the Earth retains when it gets hotter that is twice as much as it observably retains now. It's fundamentally not true that the Earth is dramatically warming due to humans. It's all fraud and lies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502837) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:28 PM Author: mewling salmon point i have conservative friends in the field and they are like esoteric sambo in that they all unequivocally agree. im not going to supplant my interpretation of the data with theirs because im not in the field. sure you can find some outliers that disagree, but you have to at least concede that 99.99% of the experts agree.
we've been able to accurately measure the earths temperature for some time now. it's just not a rational argument to say it's not happening. you're denying observable fact.
you're right that shitlibs exaggerate and that hurts their argument. but at the end of that day, what does it matter? no one is proposing any solution. call libs out for how they use to issue to enrich politically friendly entities and that they policies don't meaningfully address the issue. but just denying that it's occurring at all will just make people not take you seriously. you might as well be talking about the tide not being real. |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:30 PM Author: mildly autistic incel I disagree. I just don't think the Earth is getting hotter.
In a 2007 editorial in The Wall Street Journal, he wrote: "I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see."[11]
We have found that climate models and popular surface temperature data sets overstate the changes in the real atmosphere and that actual changes are not alarming."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:43 PM Author: mewling salmon point you can't disagree because it's an observable fact. unless you think that there is a global conspiracy involving millions of people. like, what, big thermometer intentionally designing their shit to record different temperatures? is there some santa claus that's sneaking around adding mercury into analog thermometers? there are huge enthusiast meteorology communities that autistically monitor and compile this data -- they're all in cahoots too?
this is flat earth level denial of observable reality. just like you can send a weather balloon up with a camera to see the curvature of the earth, you can record your local temperature and see if it aligns with the reported numbers over time. plenty of dorks do independent weather stations. we're talking about temperature here. it's one of the easiest things for people to measure on their own.
if you want to contest whether and to what degree humans are causing it, fine. but i don't think that's something you can intelligently due unless you autodidact into independently knowing the science. you're just reading other people's conclusions and choosing the ones that align with what you'd prefer.
and again, who cares? shitlibs don't even want to shut down GC. and they certainly don't have the will to do it even if they sincerely wanted to. if it is caused by human action, there is no chance we are going to address it on a global scale. shitlibs just give tax credits on clean energy shit and declare victory -- even though those policies are just about enriching their friends and doesn't meaningfully reduce global CO2 emissions. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:03 AM Author: mildly autistic incel The observable numbers have gone up but I have already provided ITT numerous alternative theories as to why this is. First of all we're comparing numbers dating back to the 19th century. A lot of the weather stations back then were not accurate. It was like one guy and his home gear in the middle of the Australian outback.
The one thing we know for sure that has changed is that we have build countless cities in formerly rural areas (every area was ultimately rural far back enough). If you go from measuring in a rural area to a city you it is bound to alter your measurements by virtue of buildings heating up and retaining heat during the day. This alone is enough to swing the nightly recorded temperature, thus increasing the "average" heat of the Earth. It's all based on where, when, and how you record.
The truth is that climate scientists who predict a cataclysm have been wrong 100% of the time, they lie in their models. The amount the Earth has heated up relative to the last century is "1/1000th" what most normies think it is. There is no large scale anthropogenic impact on the temperature of the Earth. This has been fully debunked. "The Earth is getting hotter" is a facile argument. Hotter compared to what? Billions of years ago it was all molten lava and it was way hotter than it is now. All of these arguments are inaccurate prima facie. There is no climate crisis, the Earth is not measurably getting warmer other than at night cities are recording a higher temperature due to heat trapped in buildings and on the road that release it when the sun goes down. It's 1/1000th of what you think it is, no climate model that predicts disaster is accurate, the Earth ejects twice as much heat into outer space as climate agitators claim it does. All of what I'm saying is backed up by actual climate data from satellites. Real research university climate scientists agree with what I'm saying. Max IQ to think the Earth is "getting warmer" is about 95. There is no evidence of this. It's actually not warmer. There are no record heat waves, no unexpected additional storms, hurricanes, tsunamis, there are no polar ice caps melting. It's all 100% false.
The only thing we know for certain is that our measurements as measured by humans living in major metros after shifting from mostly agrarian since the 1890s have gotten a really tiny amount warmer over that time. No evidence that we're nuking the planet like a microwave and it's all about to pop. No evidence that our kids in a hundred years will go through any sort of "transition" (except the one EPAH wants them to go through) period of chaos and destruction. It's all 100% false. None of it is real. Not even a little bit. The climate alarmism is as accurate as saying that your Rolex spend up by 3 seconds and therefore time itself is on the precipice of accelerating. It's that level of erroneous to even make the statement, "the Earth is getting warmer." Because, factually, it isn't. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:19 AM Author: mewling salmon point you're downplaying how significantly it has raised. this is just an observable fact that cannot be denied.
neither you or i are qualified to independently have an opinion on the cause. maybe it is just ordinary fluctuation. but ive known plenty of people with no political incentive to lie and they are all as unequivocal as sambo.
i agree that the alarmism about it seems to be exaggerated. i said elsewhere itt that ive been hearing about guaranteed imminent environmental disaster my entire life. since that time our production of CO2 and other pollutants has accelerated.
but again, why do you even care? either it's fake or it's real and there is no hope we're going to address it in a meaningful way. i guess we'll see what happens but we have 0 control over it. why fret about something you have 0 ability to control? im annoyed that shitlibs use the issue to pass policies that enrich themselves, but that's not even in the top 10 of duplicitous shitlibs do to get to policy outcomes. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:26 AM Author: mildly autistic incel CO2 of any kind has a negligible effect on the Earth warming or not warming, and may even create a cooling effect. The Earth ejects 2.6 watts per square meter of energy from the Earth for every 1 Kelvin the temperature is raised. This is twice as much energy being absorbed into space as 100% of shitlib climate scientists claim it does. I can back up everything I'm saying with facts. Humans have contributed nothing to the warming up of the Earth. You keep saying it's significant. It's gone up less than 1 Kelvin in all of recorded history. There are alternative explanations for that that make more sense than an anthropogenic explanation for climate change. The climate is always changing but humans have no (read: zero) impact on it. The most severe heat events on record occurred in the 1930s. I may not be a climate scientist but I can read what honest climate scientists are saying and they back up everything I'm saying. Why do I care about truth? Because I believe it's important to care about truth. It's important to say things which are true. It's important to say that children should not be allowed to transition their gender and adults who try and facilitate this are groomers who should be arrested. Why do I care so much about the truth? Because it's true. Simple as. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502958) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:48 AM Author: mewling salmon point you're not qualified to assess it and which people are being honest. but as i said, you can't deny that it's happening. if you want to chalk it up to ordinary temperature fluction that's fine. but you have no ability to make that conclusion yourself and are just picking the conclusions that align with your prococeived ideas. that's not a rational and intellectually serious way to weigh competing information.
i have no strong opinions on humans role in this because i don't have the knowledge to have an informed opinion. i am more persuaded by the arguments for humans having a big impact because i have known people in the field i trust that aren't aligned with libs and the overwhelming consensus is that it's close to certainty.
but so what? you keep evading the question ive asked -- why do you care so much? if you cared about the truth you would be honest with yourself and realize that you *don't know* and that your independent research isn't that valuable. if it was about truth you wouldn't be so dismissive of conclusions that conflict with yours considering you don't have the ability to independently assess them. you'd at least be open to the possibility that they overwhelming consensus is correct. maybe it'll turn out to be wrong, but if you were treating the issue with intellectual honesty you'd at least be open to the idea that it's possible that the scientific consensus is correct. what i mean by "why do you care so much" i mean why is it so important for you to be "right" here? if truth is your goal you'd be more open to the possibility of being wrong, especially in a subject you have no independent expertise and ability to assess it on your own. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 12:55 AM Author: mildly autistic incel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy
Christy himself estimates that only about 55% of climate scientists actually believe in the anthropogenic disaster modely. It's only a consensus in the shitlib media.
Richard Lindzen, MIT professor of meteorology
Here is yet another climate scientist who says that it's not a problem, it's not really happening, and don't listen to the alarmists. It's astonishing this was published by a radical leftist rag, too. I can do this all day. I may not be a climate scientist but there are tons of skeptics with major accreditation. Christy has testified before Congress 22 times. How many times have the climate scientists you favor testified before Congress? I'm not putting forth shmucks here ttbomk. My point is there are a TON of legitimate climate scientists whose ideas I am aping on a much lower level. You have drank too much media koolaid. If I had to guess, I bet real world climate scientists are actually a lot more based and climate skeptic than the general public. The people advancing climate alarmism are often politicians and business people, not actual scientists. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:17 AM Author: mewling salmon point what kool-aid? im saying i don't know. you're the one with unshakable certainty in a field you have no independent expertise in. ive repeatedly said that climate change cannot be intelligently denied because it's observable. and that im not qualified to assess whether or how much humans are responsible. you're the one making claims like ZERO PROOF when you know that's not true and you. you're not basing your conclusions on a cold analysis of the science, you're unshakably sure about something you really can't know. you keep posting peoples arguments regarding humans not having an impact when ive always admitted there are people in the field that think human impact isn't so big.
i don't know the answer and neither do you. if you were being intellectually honest you'd at least admit it's possible you're wrong, and that you do not have the ability to really know. youve mentioned libs constantly itt. what does this have to do with them? it's science. whether and how much humans have impacted this is science and doesn't have anything to do with politics. you shouldn't let your opinions on shitlibs bias you. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:34 AM Author: mildly autistic incel I disagree and at the very least there are a bunch of prestigious climate scientists who would defend what I'm saying to a lesser or greater extent from institutions such as MIT and the University of Alabama Huntsville , who is also renowned as the State of Alabama's foremost climate scientist. I feel comfortable reiterating their arguments knowing full well I'm on their side. I have not even begun to amass the full spectrum of climate scientists who hold a similar view to my own, but it must be massive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502998) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:46 AM Author: mewling salmon point so you're just choosing a conclusion that aligns with what you wish to be true, and your analysis isnt based on an unbiased consideration of the arguments. im not saying you're wrong, i don't know, and i think any layman that is 100% sure isn't being rational. you don't know and should at least accept the possibility of being wrong when it's a subject you're not an expert in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503003) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:51 AM Author: mildly autistic incel We can't go through life solving Euclidian geometry for ourselves just to know it's there. We have to pick and choose Trusted Experts in all things in life. While the consensus on Euclidian geometry approaches 100%, climate change is around 50/50. You bring your experts, I'll bring mine. I've seen all the facts and drawn my own conclusions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503006) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 1:57 AM Author: mewling salmon point you don't feel it's a bit arrogant and irrational to be so sure that "your experts" are right when you have no ability to weigh their conclusions? you're using the credentials of the experts as a factor is assessing their reliability, while dismissing all those with identical credentials that disagree. like, why can't you just say "their argument is more persuasive to me but i accept that the counter arguments seem to have some merit, and not being an expert ability to weight their arguments is rather limited, and i could be wrong." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503009) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 2:30 AM Author: mildly autistic incel You are also asserting with the exact same level of certainty your own position based on information you have gathered from your own experts. Your argument boils down to belief in the superior consensus and accreditation of your experts over mine. I've given you a lot more concrete examples of my position than you have of yours. And I'm learning even more about it now. In just the time that has elapsed I have learned about the overall weakness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas (known as the Affirmative Action of greenhouse gasses).I've also learned that it is too weak to have any effect on the temperature of the Earth. There's also no difference in the effect of CO2 being 400 parts per million and 800. The effect, which irrelevant to begin we, tapers off after 400 ppm. Wow! Just by my open mindedness alone I am accumulating a ton of facts that normies will never experience because they listened to a different set of experts, as you have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503017) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 2:36 AM Author: mewling salmon point how can you characterize my thoughts that way when i have repeatedly essentially "i don't know and neither do you." i watched a few videos of the MIT guy you cited and he had repeatedly characterized the politicization of climate change. that's exactly what you're doing too.
neither of us are scientists or experts in a field that touches on climate. neither one of us can have an informed opinion on it. to think that you do is hubris until you can actually read and understand their papers. until you can do that you're basing your conclusions on interviews for a broad audience, not an actual analysis of the data and an understanding of the science. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:02 AM Author: mildly autistic incel https://youtu.be/tXJ7UZjFDHU
I couldn't explain Max Planck if my life depended on it, and I couldn't tell you the difference between Ludwig Boltzmann and Martin Bormann, but this climate skeptic made an anecdote about Ronald Reagan and he makes me feel safe. |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: Metal amber dopamine kitchen I believe that graph until the year 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503417) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:07 PM Author: insecure dysfunction of course the climate is changing. it has constantly changed throughout history. whether human action is having a material impact on climate change is inconclusive imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502218) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:27 PM Author: mildly autistic incel Yes but the Earth is not meaningfully getting warmer even absent man's impact. It's not actually warmer than it was in 1850. It's all lies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502288) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: mildly autistic incel The Obamas continue to snap up beach front property, no fear of water levels rising at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502318) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 9:25 PM Author: Drab Boiling Water this is just further proof of how selfless they are imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502568) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 10:50 PM Author: Orchid Sneaky Criminal Alpha that just means they are all in on figuring out a solution to this world threatening climate crisis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502760) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:06 PM Author: azure cruel-hearted immigrant I think it’s real. Crazy to think humans with all the shit they’re putting in the air doesn’t have any effect at all, there’s gotta be some effect. I also don’t think it’s a big deal, I don’t believe in all the doomsday shitlib theories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502802) |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:13 PM Author: mildly autistic incel This is not remotely scientific. Here is some actual science: every climate model created by climate scientists who purport a looming climate crisis since 1994 have been proven wrong by satellite observation.
Another fun fact is that the average disastrous climate model purports that for every degree in Kelvins the Earth warms up, it expels 1.4 watts per meter squared into the atmosphere. When this phenomenon is observed in real life today by real scientists, they found that the Earth actually expels 2.6 watts per meter squared into outer space for every Kelvin the Earth heats up. They over estimate the retention of heat in the atmosphere in order to produce their desired result which is fear mongering.
In other words, every climate model predicting a crisis has used a faulty and dishonest metric to predict doom and gloom, and made baseless assumptions about observable phenomenona. Still think the Earth is heating up due to humans because it "ought to be happening" based on the stuff we put into the atmosphere? |
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Date: March 17th, 2024 11:15 PM Author: mewling salmon point ive been hearing about an imminent global environmental catastrophe my entire life. a big issue here is that shitlibs always exaggerate. and so cons react by believing it's all bullshit because their fantastic predictions never pan out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47502829) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:13 AM Author: mildly autistic incel The most polluted areas are liberal shitholes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505214&forum_id=2#47503040) |
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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:15 PM Author: mildly autistic incel The Earth has warmed 1 C since 1800.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png
No dramatic non-human changes in this Earth's history!
"Physics and chemistry are difficult to understand, but a kindergartener can understand climate change." - John Kerry
It's so simple that politicians and activists can't understand the data but it's easy to brainwash a normie with "Earth hot, we're all gonna die, humans to blame, clean energy now!" Slogans so simple, science so sophisticated. |
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